Started tattooing couple months ago and I’ve tattooed one client for free and she insisted to pay me I refused so after couple of days there she is with this shiny black and gold Flux max 4.0. Can say best gift in my life I love it maybe because it is a gift but it is a tool. It’s like a gucci shirt you know haha, wouldn’t have spent 1250€ on machine right now and maybe I would do more research before investing so much money but I like the simplicity and how quite it is and one thing I’ve noticed, I was tattoing with dragonhawk mast archer 3.5 and then I try this machine and I didn’t draw 10 times better with it haha… but yeah, toyota will bring you everywhere where mercedes can but you would appreciate mercedes as a gift. Another thing that I’ve noticed is that tattooers that are coaching me were like “oh, now you leveled up..”, no I didn’t, haha. Cheers
I’ve been tattooing for 4 years now. I upgraded to flux last year. I bought same stroke as my last machine, 4mm. And i will tell you, there’s a big difference. If you say that it doesn’t, i call BS. Lol
Was able to get stealth flux max 4.5 stroke, as my first machine as a new beginner who has never held a tattoo. Is it recomended starting off 4.5 stroke was considering returning it but got a great deal 700.00 brand new
I’m hoping you get back to me, when using the egive feature, I find my machine slows down, like it’s dropped voltage, and then doesn’t go back up until I turn it off and on again. Do you experience this too? I always thought, it was meant to slow down, then when I pull the needle out of the skin, it should speed back up again automatically? I’m trying to figure out if my PowerBolt 2 has an issue with it or not. Thanks
hinese battery packs from inkclaw runs from 3-15 with 3 amps , and xnet for 200$ got you cover click system , changable cams and remvable motor . fuck this big corporates
All due respect they don’t all work the same and aren’t all the same quality. Some are good like some of the dragon hawk batteries that are made to people spec. But the really cheap ones from Amazon aren’t and they don’t stand the test of time. As for xnet machines some of theirs are copy’s off other brands. If you support copyright infringement then you are one of the many reasons why machine prices are on the rise. Also they aren’t the same and don’t have the same safety testing and certificates. But it you want to risk a battery blowing up in your hand to save some money, crack on jeevs.
I love my xion, but I feel like they’ve just been pumping out the same machine 3 times and just changed a few parts, the flux exo and maybe this machine seems like the same machine lol
if you you use e give feature is it change the stroke? for example you use 4 stroke machine and 3 level egive is it makes the machine like 3.5 stroke ?
Yeah like you said, as this machine is completely electronic, autoclaving is out of the question just like my Bronc Hummingbirds "cpt the grip, as a tattoer and a collector I've machines that can do it, and the cams, is there an easy way to take apart the machine and change the stroke to a 4, 4.2 or 5? You can hit me up if you wanted a white brand new Injecta Flite X1 Pro Edition cheap, i used the smoke color, as an old school tattoer i loved the wireless foot switch on this Max, that's plus but I'm not comfortable with the 4.5 on this specific machine, they could've given us an option to change the cam, they should've known it by now, it's almost like using the Dragonhawk Wraith which I prefer more at this moment about the give adjustment, but onlly have the Max for a couple of weeks, even though it's an old machine, the Wraith with the soft hit is my fav, the Raven i can't feel the change, but since Daniel @Daniel Yuck introduced me to the CNC's i'm lovin it, but all in all great content and a decent machine
Morning! Thanks very much for the review! I fell in love with my 4.5 Flux Max! I felt like lining with it was cheating. Like you go in for a big test and they give you a cheat sheet with all the answers. Really good experience. I did get caught up in how easy it seemed that a few lines in I had to reset myself coz 2 lines didn't pack as well. The machine does not do all the work hahaha oups. That's how good it felt. I used it on e give 02. Having never experienced give before (learned on rotary cheyenne) i couldn't say if the technology works but I can tell you I felt a difference between my bishop wand packer and the Flux Max when lining. I do feel less vibration on the skin so it's harder to know the right depth guess that's coz of e give. I didn't like it as much as my wand for stippling, ill try it without the give. I did see a difference in some clients saying it's more painful and others saying it's a lot less painful. Love to see the hertz and volts at the same time on the screen makes a hell lot more sense to me. And the sensing of the cartridge it does change when changing needles, i had to readjust the volts à bit when putting in a bigger needle. Awesome review I learned a lot !! Can't wait till next video and the comparison between unlimited 5.0 and Flux Max ! 😄😄 have a nice week!!
Appreciate your review ! Found it helpful. I was thinking of switching from the wired bishop v6 and a bishop micro Angelo to this flux max. I was very hesitant as to a lot of my clients love me for the lines i create with my bishop i wouldn’t want to risk it all. This opened my eyes a bit. Would you reccomend to a mostly line artist. Also what stroke would you recommend for someone who does 60% linework and 40% realism
@@levk7042 sorry i didn't see your question as i dont come on this channel often. I got the Flux Max in 4.5 stroke because i already had my bishop packer 4.0 and my shader 3.5. Line in 4.5 or 4.0 is perfect but with 3rl i do use my shader à lot. For realism you have to go in the same spot so i would go for 3.5. I do réalise its been months what did you decide ?
@@KOCHIMAFIA i went back to bishop because of the battery. Flux max batterie loses its charge when you forget to switch it off and I do forget A LOT. So yeah just for that
if you you use e give feature is it change the stroke? for example you use 4 stroke machine and 3 level egive is it makes the machine like 3.5 stroke ?
Hey im in the market for a new wireless pen machine , whats your top recommendation for a machine that will be solely used for smooth black and grey realism thanks in advance
Paul here. Personally I’m loving the 3.5 critical torque for shading. Best machine for b&g since my Cheyenne spirit. I’m sure Chris will have more suggestions 👍
Plugging that fucking cable in to power it up its pathetic (hoped they would have fixed that on this time round) Hate using my EXO purely because of the lacking power bolt features. If Bishop/Critical can do it - then Why are we tolerating lesser/backwards methods with FK. Come in man 😢 So looks like I’m not buying one of these as much as I’d like to, would just be a waste due to one massive irritation, not having battery management that’s practical.
Hey guys, I'm a beginner and could you or someone answer me a doubt about the strokes ? I saw there are 3.2/ 4.0/ 4.5 , but which are the difference between that doing a tattoo ? By the way I love the channel 😊
@@coveiromaldito7798 ok so this is the easiest explanation I’ve ever heard, think of strokes as a pencil, so a mechanical pencil would be a 2.5 stroke and #2 pencil would be a 4.2, but all a stroke is is how long the needle stays in the tube and in the skin, longer stroke it stays in the tube and skin longer, you can shade with any stroke it’s just up to the artist, with a 4.2 stroke I’ve seen artist get beautiful shades and blends running there machine on lower voltage
For a beginner u don't want an extremely short stroke it will snag so for you I'd recomened a 3.5 to a 4.0 anything longer than 4.0 might hit to hard for you so stay between those and you'll see what u like the longer the harder it hits at lower volts the shorter the softer
my only problem with fk irons are the motors that seems to die after 1 year.. direkt 2 ,edge x and xion died on me after like 1 year, except the xion died after 8 months
Great review Chris.. I recall you were a big fan of the flux.. so not surprisingly you like the max.. in truth I can’t help feeling that FK are taking the Piss out of people a bit now.. a lot of people were unhappy with the flux software etc, and many had to return it for repair/reboot, as it just died after software updates or whatever it was. Then it was the Exo, which was just a flux (like really) with a diff grip and adaptor ability if desired.. now it’s the flux max.. so it feels like 😝🖕🏻 to all the suckers who bought the flux for way over a grand.. like for a eleven hundred quid a piece we tested the prototype on the industry .. and now here’s what it shoulda been.. at 1300+ 😳🙄… I’m sure it’s a great machine to work with, just feel a bit for the people who maybe aren’t earning big bucks who laid out a lot of money on prototype flux with bugs. Gaston.. throw your customers a bone.. 🤨 Rant over.. but come on man.. they’re releasing these machines every 6month now.. prices going up n up.. On a point you made.. I was sold on 3.5 strokes for a long time.. never tried the longer strokes as the reviews and guys I knew (who also listened to the hype/reviews) all was under the idea that black n grey was best at 3.5 or under.. but I’ve been using the packer….. & the Liner, pretty much solely, for a while now.. if I’m doing a back ground fade, like black to nothing larger area gradient, then yes, I switch to a smaller stroke machine, or maybe the ghosting type fades of face contours in a realism portrait, especially on children portraits.. again a shorter stroke.. But.. like you commented on the 4.5stroke max… the liner at 5.0 has been great.. genuinely zero issues, the ink goes in so quickly and efficiently I’m never needing multiple passes.. in fact, I’d say I’m often getting LESS trauma. - obv just my experience.. but it is just that.. an an opinion based experience .. not regurgitating someone else opinion from a review It’s apparent you like this machine, but props to you for still stating the improvements they could make 👀 2023 FK release the flux max max that doubles up as a vacuum cleaner and walks the dog whilst on stand by mode @ £1700 😂😉
Hey, Paul Here. I couldn't agree with you more on this point! I think ALL machine manufacturers should be building machines that are a PLATFORM for incremental improvements. Rather than a new revision every 6 months. What Happened to 3 cams in the box. Just fit whichever stroke you want/need? And swap the motor out yourself if it dies. What happens next? Machines with planned obsolescence? The latest operating system for the give system only works with 'snow-donkey 10.4.5.5.6'? I think the current business model used by most 'big' manufacturers sucks!
Hey buddy chris here. I completely get what you are saying you have some really valid points about how the way things have been done can upset a lot of people within the tattoo industry. Which makes me really think we should be at a point where we can swap out the motor bodies etc. So that way if you have a flux and want the longer thread you only need to buy essentially the “frame” and just swap it out from your old machine. That’s the way I think it should be going otherwise we will be in an iPhone style cycle with tattoo machine. I do like the machine for sure and I think it’s going to be one of those things where if you like it you will, if you don’t like it you don’t like it. Thanks for taking the time to drop a comment :)
@@ThatTattooShow snowdonkey 😂🤣🤣 hilarious, but your right.. like Chris said, it’s kinda following the Apple model.. like your getting tied in.. trapped.. when I bought the FK Xion, it came with the changeable cams.. same as the Edge X.. seems like the new standard is a huge fee for what is in essence a max on motor that powers an armature bar.. same as it always was, but in a nicer looking shell!! Now agreed, they are more comfortable to hold etc etc, but it’s a rotary machine - at some point it has to realistically hit a point where the price becomes to much.. yes, engineers spend time designing them, but they’re engineers, it’s what they do and are paid to do.. sell a 5000 Flux max = £6.5million.. there’s a huge profit.. plus the fact they release them every few months now.. watch this space for the Flux max PLUS It is almost at a point now where I can’t really see what more they can do.. They took the foot pedal away with the wireless, now they’ve reintroduced the foot pedal, for wireless 🤣🤣 ironic I purposely bought the wand with out the power bolt thingy.. I like the freedom of being able to plug the 200pound B Charged battery I purchased on whichever machine I please. If my hands weren’t older now and more damaged, I’d get my iron Micky Sharps Hybrid out.. bless the old girl, I hammered that machine so much the threading on the tube screw went mid tattoo.. went screw fix and re threaded it with a thumb screw bolt 😂🤣 good old days 😍
I agree completely. I got the Flux when it first came out, then the Exo. I mean, I still enjoy using them but a new stroke is over $500 and I really want to get a killswitch foot pedal but of course it won't work with my old batteries so it will cost another $500 to get the footswitch because I'd have to buy a new battery. So frustrating, kinda feel taken advantage of. But hey, at least they can keep coming up with new color machines every month that I can't afford 🤣
Great review. Fk will never do that. They would rather force people to buy multiple machines from them. Not gonna give us cheap stroke changes unfortunately. Though they did with the Xion and Edge x
Waiting on my pb2 max body wide grip nebula . Got it custom it’s a 4.5 mm stroke . They’re building it now . Fk irons is probably top two best machines .
The time will proof how reliable this new model will be but if they are using same motor & battery brand of the regular Flux, forget it! in no way may beat Cheyene's not even Cnet
@@ThatTattooShow working down next to quirky. Catch u next time. I'm in the industry to, have a small studio in tredegar. I work a day or so a week with a steel fabricator to make ends meet since covid. Was going to thank you and Paul for being I formative and helpful to us smaller and lesser known artists.
Ahhh you aren’t far from me then, I’m only in merthyr. I had my second tattoo done in Tredegar by Kev. I’m not sure if he’s still there tbh, almost made me pass out lol. Is that down by the chip shop and dentist? Should have popped up for a cuppa mate.
@@ThatTattooShow Kevin.. yeh he's a beast. I had studio in ebbw vale Town for 9 years but covid kicked the shit out of me so moved it back to where I live, nice small licenced studio now only take bookings and some day work with a steel fabricator to make ends meet. Always try an strive to improve. Thanks for the videos keep them coming.
Both have good points and both have bad points. I’m more comfortable using the flux and I like the modular design. although I really like the ability to strip down the machine like the acus m1 and swap out the cams. But performance wise I think at a 4.5mm stroke I’m getting better results with flux max over the acus m1. Maybe that’s because I’m used to the was the flux runs etc.
I used the give today just for you :). Yes there is a massive difference in the e-give on this flux compared to the OG flux. It is responsive but it just slows the machine down so it’s not really give. I coloured with it today though and it did feel ok.
@@ThatTattooShow thanks so much for the answer , on the same topic on the flux it would be more intelligent to go for the 4.0 or the 4.5 for trad style ?
I sold my flux but must admit this looks intriguing! I’m currently running with the Cheyenne unio and liking it !!! If you guys had to pick one which would you go for ? Thanks and all the best !
That’s a hard one cause both machines are so different in how they feel when you use them. I suppose it comes down to what you prefer in regards to the motor type and if you need to be wireless
I love my Cheyenne's, they're the bomb, but it's perspective, as tattoing is subjective what one loves others don't, it all comes down to personal preference but it can't beat the Cheyenne's, just my personal opinion, just put a Critical in it
Both have good points and both have bad points. I’m more comfortable using the flux and I like the modular design. although I really like the ability to strip down the machine like the acus m1 and swap out the cams. But performance wise I think at a 4.5mm stroke I’m getting better results with flux max over the acus m1. Maybe that’s because I’m used to the was the flux runs etc.
Thank you, Chris, this video really covers all the aspects I want such a review to cover!! And I think the whole "gradual upgrades" thing is partially (or even primarily?) a marketing strategy to give people "a reason to buy the (mostly-but-not-quite) same machine over and over again" - just like that's probably why their strokes are fixed. And the plastic cam is likely in part to keep manufacturing cheaper and simple where possible, as well as their idea of having "proprietary consumable parts" that keep small amounts of cash flowing in - without going down the (douchy) road of forcing proprietary cartridges (with 3 instead of 2 retaining lugs/tabs, or magnets, or smaller diameter) or disposable grips on people, like -for example- the "BlackGold Tattoo Systems - Magero" tries to do. All in all FKirons are going in the right direction, and I'm definitely gonna buy one of their machines in a year or three. Whether that will be a flux or a spektra -or something else entirely- remains to be seen, though. Cheers!
Started tattooing couple months ago and I’ve tattooed one client for free and she insisted to pay me I refused so after couple of days there she is with this shiny black and gold Flux max 4.0. Can say best gift in my life I love it maybe because it is a gift but it is a tool. It’s like a gucci shirt you know haha, wouldn’t have spent 1250€ on machine right now and maybe I would do more research before investing so much money but I like the simplicity and how quite it is and one thing I’ve noticed, I was tattoing with dragonhawk mast archer 3.5 and then I try this machine and I didn’t draw 10 times better with it haha… but yeah, toyota will bring you everywhere where mercedes can but you would appreciate mercedes as a gift. Another thing that I’ve noticed is that tattooers that are coaching me were like “oh, now you leveled up..”, no I didn’t, haha. Cheers
I call BS. Lol.
I’ve been tattooing for 4 years now. I upgraded to flux last year. I bought same stroke as my last machine, 4mm. And i will tell you, there’s a big difference. If you say that it doesn’t, i call BS. Lol
Was able to get stealth flux max 4.5 stroke, as my first machine as a new beginner who has never held a tattoo.
Is it recomended starting off 4.5 stroke was considering returning it but got a great deal 700.00 brand new
I’m hoping you get back to me, when using the egive feature, I find my machine slows down, like it’s dropped voltage, and then doesn’t go back up until I turn it off and on again. Do you experience this too?
I always thought, it was meant to slow down, then when I pull the needle out of the skin, it should speed back up again automatically?
I’m trying to figure out if my PowerBolt 2 has an issue with it or not.
Thanks
I have the same problem… if u figure it out let me know cause its untattooable and super annoying
Muito top o vídeo e realmente uma ótima máquina 👏👏
Someday I buy one
hinese battery packs from inkclaw runs from 3-15 with 3 amps , and xnet for 200$ got you cover click system , changable cams and remvable motor . fuck this big corporates
All due respect they don’t all work the same and aren’t all the same quality. Some are good like some of the dragon hawk batteries that are made to people spec. But the really cheap ones from Amazon aren’t and they don’t stand the test of time. As for xnet machines some of theirs are copy’s off other brands. If you support copyright infringement then you are one of the many reasons why machine prices are on the rise. Also they aren’t the same and don’t have the same safety testing and certificates. But it you want to risk a battery blowing up in your hand to save some money, crack on jeevs.
I love my xion, but I feel like they’ve just been pumping out the same machine 3 times and just changed a few parts, the flux exo and maybe this machine seems like the same machine lol
Been using my Flux Max for a week (4.0) love it! Hate that I gotta spend $600 to change the stroke length though.
if you you use e give feature is it change the stroke? for example you use 4 stroke machine and 3 level egive is it makes the machine like 3.5 stroke ?
@@narsistsinema2842 no, it doesn't change the stroke length.
@@justinklink1588 so what does it do? i use 3.2 exo for a year and i still couldnt find a proper explanation about e give..
@@narsistsinema2842 e give literally just slows the motor down when there is resistance.
@@justinklink1588 one question. Does the e-give make the diference? Its usefull?
Yeah like you said, as this machine is completely electronic, autoclaving is out of the question just like my Bronc Hummingbirds "cpt the grip, as a tattoer and a collector I've machines that can do it, and the cams, is there an easy way to take apart the machine and change the stroke to a 4, 4.2 or 5? You can hit me up if you wanted a white brand new Injecta Flite X1 Pro Edition cheap, i used the smoke color, as an old school tattoer i loved the wireless foot switch on this Max, that's plus but I'm not comfortable with the 4.5 on this specific machine, they could've given us an option to change the cam, they should've known it by now, it's almost like using the Dragonhawk Wraith which I prefer more at this moment about the give adjustment, but onlly have the Max for a couple of weeks, even though it's an old machine, the Wraith with the soft hit is my fav, the Raven i can't feel the change, but since Daniel @Daniel Yuck introduced me to the CNC's i'm lovin it, but all in all great content and a decent machine
Which one should I buy: Flux,flux max or Bishop power wand4.2 ?
i would go with bishop
Morning! Thanks very much for the review! I fell in love with my 4.5 Flux Max! I felt like lining with it was cheating. Like you go in for a big test and they give you a cheat sheet with all the answers. Really good experience. I did get caught up in how easy it seemed that a few lines in I had to reset myself coz 2 lines didn't pack as well. The machine does not do all the work hahaha oups. That's how good it felt. I used it on e give 02. Having never experienced give before (learned on rotary cheyenne) i couldn't say if the technology works but I can tell you I felt a difference between my bishop wand packer and the Flux Max when lining. I do feel less vibration on the skin so it's harder to know the right depth guess that's coz of e give. I didn't like it as much as my wand for stippling, ill try it without the give. I did see a difference in some clients saying it's more painful and others saying it's a lot less painful. Love to see the hertz and volts at the same time on the screen makes a hell lot more sense to me. And the sensing of the cartridge it does change when changing needles, i had to readjust the volts à bit when putting in a bigger needle. Awesome review I learned a lot !! Can't wait till next video and the comparison between unlimited 5.0 and Flux Max ! 😄😄 have a nice week!!
Appreciate your review ! Found it helpful. I was thinking of switching from the wired bishop v6 and a bishop micro Angelo to this flux max. I was very hesitant as to a lot of my clients love me for the lines i create with my bishop i wouldn’t want to risk it all. This opened my eyes a bit. Would you reccomend to a mostly line artist. Also what stroke would you recommend for someone who does 60% linework and 40% realism
Flux max or bishop OG packer with critical?
@@levk7042 sorry i didn't see your question as i dont come on this channel often. I got the Flux Max in 4.5 stroke because i already had my bishop packer 4.0 and my shader 3.5. Line in 4.5 or 4.0 is perfect but with 3rl i do use my shader à lot. For realism you have to go in the same spot so i would go for 3.5.
I do réalise its been months what did you decide ?
@@KOCHIMAFIA i went back to bishop because of the battery. Flux max batterie loses its charge when you forget to switch it off and I do forget A LOT. So yeah just for that
if you you use e give feature is it change the stroke? for example you use 4 stroke machine and 3 level egive is it makes the machine like 3.5 stroke ?
Hey im in the market for a new wireless pen machine , whats your top recommendation for a machine that will be solely used for smooth black and grey realism thanks in advance
Paul here. Personally I’m loving the 3.5 critical torque for shading.
Best machine for b&g since my Cheyenne spirit.
I’m sure Chris will have more suggestions 👍
Plugging that fucking cable in to power it up its pathetic (hoped they would have fixed that on this time round) Hate using my EXO purely because of the lacking power bolt features. If Bishop/Critical can do it - then Why are we tolerating lesser/backwards methods with FK.
Come in man 😢
So looks like I’m not buying one of these as much as I’d like to, would just be a waste due to one massive irritation, not having battery management that’s practical.
They need to have that system in place to allow users to just switch it on and off without plugging it in for sure.
Hey guys, I'm a beginner and could you or someone answer me a doubt about the strokes ? I saw there are 3.2/ 4.0/ 4.5 , but which are the difference between that doing a tattoo ? By the way I love the channel 😊
The longer strokes are best for lining
@@inktenseantattoos9038 hey thanks but with long strong like 4,0/4,5 stroke do you can make shading and another thing as well too ?
@@coveiromaldito7798 ok so this is the easiest explanation I’ve ever heard, think of strokes as a pencil, so a mechanical pencil would be a 2.5 stroke and #2 pencil would be a 4.2, but all a stroke is is how long the needle stays in the tube and in the skin, longer stroke it stays in the tube and skin longer, you can shade with any stroke it’s just up to the artist, with a 4.2 stroke I’ve seen artist get beautiful shades and blends running there machine on lower voltage
For a beginner u don't want an extremely short stroke it will snag so for you I'd recomened a 3.5 to a 4.0 anything longer than 4.0 might hit to hard for you so stay between those and you'll see what u like the longer the harder it hits at lower volts the shorter the softer
@@ivanmendoza8457 thank you my friend! Your explanation is gold
my only problem with fk irons are the motors that seems to die after 1 year.. direkt 2 ,edge x and xion died on me after like 1 year, except the xion died after 8 months
Did you get a replacement for the Xion? They warrant all machines for 1 year. The Xion cam-driven design kill the motor bearing sooner or later.
@@philipfernandez8308 yeah got a replacement one ..had to wait like 6 weeks for the machine to get back ,but haven’t use it that much since
Nah one just died and the and the rest just slowed down like hell…10v its like 4v now as speed
For me it’s crap that you cannot change the stroke length
Hi , which Is Better .... This new machine or Unlimited Cheyenne?
I hears the 4.5 cut thrue the skin so easily, I don't know if that's the case? Let me know they are supposed to be good machine
Great review Chris.. I recall you were a big fan of the flux.. so not surprisingly you like the max.. in truth I can’t help feeling that FK are taking the Piss out of people a bit now.. a lot of people were unhappy with the flux software etc, and many had to return it for repair/reboot, as it just died after software updates or whatever it was. Then it was the Exo, which was just a flux (like really) with a diff grip and adaptor ability if desired.. now it’s the flux max.. so it feels like 😝🖕🏻 to all the suckers who bought the flux for way over a grand.. like for a eleven hundred quid a piece we tested the prototype on the industry .. and now here’s what it shoulda been.. at 1300+ 😳🙄… I’m sure it’s a great machine to work with, just feel a bit for the people who maybe aren’t earning big bucks who laid out a lot of money on prototype flux with bugs. Gaston.. throw your customers a bone.. 🤨
Rant over.. but come on man.. they’re releasing these machines every 6month now.. prices going up n up..
On a point you made.. I was sold on 3.5 strokes for a long time.. never tried the longer strokes as the reviews and guys I knew (who also listened to the hype/reviews) all was under the idea that black n grey was best at 3.5 or under.. but I’ve been using the packer….. & the Liner, pretty much solely, for a while now.. if I’m doing a back ground fade, like black to nothing larger area gradient, then yes, I switch to a smaller stroke machine, or maybe the ghosting type fades of face contours in a realism portrait, especially on children portraits.. again a shorter stroke..
But.. like you commented on the 4.5stroke max… the liner at 5.0 has been great.. genuinely zero issues, the ink goes in so quickly and efficiently I’m never needing multiple passes.. in fact, I’d say I’m often getting LESS trauma. - obv just my experience.. but it is just that.. an an opinion based experience .. not regurgitating someone else opinion from a review
It’s apparent you like this machine, but props to you for still stating the improvements they could make
👀 2023 FK release the flux max max that doubles up as a vacuum cleaner and walks the dog whilst on stand by mode @ £1700 😂😉
Hey, Paul Here. I couldn't agree with you more on this point!
I think ALL machine manufacturers should be building machines that are a PLATFORM for incremental improvements. Rather than a new revision every 6 months.
What Happened to 3 cams in the box. Just fit whichever stroke you want/need? And swap the motor out yourself if it dies.
What happens next? Machines with planned obsolescence? The latest operating system for the give system only works with 'snow-donkey 10.4.5.5.6'?
I think the current business model used by most 'big' manufacturers sucks!
Hey buddy chris here.
I completely get what you are saying you have some really valid points about how the way things have been done can upset a lot of people within the tattoo industry.
Which makes me really think we should be at a point where we can swap out the motor bodies etc.
So that way if you have a flux and want the longer thread you only need to buy essentially the “frame” and just swap it out from your old machine. That’s the way I think it should be going otherwise we will be in an iPhone style cycle with tattoo machine.
I do like the machine for sure and I think it’s going to be one of those things where if you like it you will, if you don’t like it you don’t like it.
Thanks for taking the time to drop a comment :)
@@ThatTattooShow snowdonkey 😂🤣🤣 hilarious, but your right.. like Chris said, it’s kinda following the Apple model.. like your getting tied in.. trapped.. when I bought the FK Xion, it came with the changeable cams.. same as the Edge X.. seems like the new standard is a huge fee for what is in essence a max on motor that powers an armature bar.. same as it always was, but in a nicer looking shell!! Now agreed, they are more comfortable to hold etc etc, but it’s a rotary machine - at some point it has to realistically hit a point where the price becomes to much.. yes, engineers spend time designing them, but they’re engineers, it’s what they do and are paid to do.. sell a 5000 Flux max = £6.5million.. there’s a huge profit.. plus the fact they release them every few months now.. watch this space for the Flux max PLUS
It is almost at a point now where I can’t really see what more they can do.. They took the foot pedal away with the wireless, now they’ve reintroduced the foot pedal, for wireless 🤣🤣 ironic
I purposely bought the wand with out the power bolt thingy.. I like the freedom of being able to plug the 200pound B Charged battery I purchased on whichever machine I please.
If my hands weren’t older now and more damaged, I’d get my iron Micky Sharps Hybrid out.. bless the old girl, I hammered that machine so much the threading on the tube screw went mid tattoo.. went screw fix and re threaded it with a thumb screw bolt 😂🤣 good old days 😍
I agree completely. I got the Flux when it first came out, then the Exo. I mean, I still enjoy using them but a new stroke is over $500 and I really want to get a killswitch foot pedal but of course it won't work with my old batteries so it will cost another $500 to get the footswitch because I'd have to buy a new battery. So frustrating, kinda feel taken advantage of. But hey, at least they can keep coming up with new color machines every month that I can't afford 🤣
Great review. Fk will never do that. They would rather force people to buy multiple machines from them. Not gonna give us cheap stroke changes unfortunately. Though they did with the Xion and Edge x
Thanks, hopefully they may consider. It does look like they listened to consumer feedback with this model.
Love the Pip-Boy in the background ❤️
Great machine but there's absolutely no chance anyone is getting 10 hours on this. Five max.
I think maybe if running at 4.0 volts with a 4mm stroke and lower.
I’m running the 4.5 at around 8 volts and I’m getting 5-6 hours.
Lol 5 hrs for the batteries for 1400$
Well that depends how you run the machine really. Same goes for most wireless machines that are ran at a high voltage and long trike length.
@@ThatTattooShow the critical batteries are a lot better. You can run a bishop packer at 8 for 8-10 hrs I bet
Waiting on my pb2 max body wide grip nebula . Got it custom it’s a 4.5 mm stroke . They’re building it now . Fk irons is probably top two best machines .
Love my flux max it’s awesome love the grip and turns like a beauty
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I just got mine yesterday, I haven't tried it yet, but I charged it overnight, not just 3 hours, is that ok? I'm scared now
The time will proof how reliable this new model will be but if they are using same motor & battery brand of the regular Flux, forget it! in no way may beat Cheyene's not even Cnet
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Great video!!! Thanks
You're welcome!
Great review, as always .
I use the Cheyenne Unlimited 4.0 & it’s heaven to me. How would you compare this to the unlimited? U rock thank u.
Little bit more punchier than the 4.0
I’m gonna be doing some comparison videos soon so I’ll go through it then :)
Can you do a comparison between flux max and acus m1
How would compare the Flux Max to the EXO 44 mm grip...
They are the same machine. Flux max has a longer thread, different shape grip and a different power bolt.
Top review again. Was working just down from the shop today was gona pop in but didn't want to look like a sicko fan. Lol
Ahh cool man. Where was you at?
@@ThatTattooShow working down next to quirky. Catch u next time. I'm in the industry to, have a small studio in tredegar. I work a day or so a week with a steel fabricator to make ends meet since covid. Was going to thank you and Paul for being I formative and helpful to us smaller and lesser known artists.
Ahhh you aren’t far from me then, I’m only in merthyr. I had my second tattoo done in Tredegar by Kev. I’m not sure if he’s still there tbh, almost made me pass out lol.
Is that down by the chip shop and dentist? Should have popped up for a cuppa mate.
@@ThatTattooShow Kevin.. yeh he's a beast. I had studio in ebbw vale Town for 9 years but covid kicked the shit out of me so moved it back to where I live, nice small licenced studio now only take bookings and some day work with a steel fabricator to make ends meet. Always try an strive to improve. Thanks for the videos keep them coming.
Flux max vs Acus m1 which machine do you prefer?
Both have good points and both have bad points.
I’m more comfortable using the flux and I like the modular design.
although I really like the ability to strip down the machine like the acus m1 and swap out the cams.
But performance wise I think at a 4.5mm stroke I’m getting better results with flux max over the acus m1. Maybe that’s because I’m used to the was the flux runs etc.
So does e give feel the same or is it better is it actually more responsive I found the original e give hit and miss
I’ve noticed a difference.
I used the give today just for you :).
Yes there is a massive difference in the e-give on this flux compared to the OG flux.
It is responsive but it just slows the machine down so it’s not really give. I coloured with it today though and it did feel ok.
Hello ,
Witch one you think it’s better between Flux Max or Bishop Packer for traditional style?
Both would be good. It just depends if you want something that’s very light or something that has a bit of weight.
@@ThatTattooShow thanks so much for the answer , on the same topic on the flux it would be more intelligent to go for the 4.0 or the 4.5 for trad style ?
4.5 I think
Hey where’d you get the t shirt ?
The one with the skull? That’s some of our very old shop merch. No longer available sadly. Chris.
I sold my flux but must admit this looks intriguing! I’m currently running with the Cheyenne unio and liking it !!! If you guys had to pick one which would you go for ? Thanks and all the best !
That’s a hard one cause both machines are so different in how they feel when you use them. I suppose it comes down to what you prefer in regards to the motor type and if you need to be wireless
I love my Cheyenne's, they're the bomb, but it's perspective, as tattoing is subjective what one loves others don't, it all comes down to personal preference but it can't beat the Cheyenne's, just my personal opinion, just put a Critical in it
Why is plastic on while your tattooing ?Im curious
What do you mean why is plastic on?
@@ThatTattooShow you wrapped your machine it a reason for doing that ?
Yeah, cross contamination prevention.
how do you feel it compares to the acus m1?
Both have good points and both have bad points.
I’m more comfortable using the flux and I like the modular design.
although I really like the ability to strip down the machine like the acus m1 and swap out the cams.
But performance wise I think at a 4.5mm stroke I’m getting better results with flux max over the acus m1. Maybe that’s because I’m used to the was the flux runs etc.
Thank you, Chris, this video really covers all the aspects I want such a review to cover!! And I think the whole "gradual upgrades" thing is partially (or even primarily?) a marketing strategy to give people "a reason to buy the (mostly-but-not-quite) same machine over and over again" - just like that's probably why their strokes are fixed. And the plastic cam is likely in part to keep manufacturing cheaper and simple where possible, as well as their idea of having "proprietary consumable parts" that keep small amounts of cash flowing in - without going down the (douchy) road of forcing proprietary cartridges (with 3 instead of 2 retaining lugs/tabs, or magnets, or smaller diameter) or disposable grips on people, like -for example- the "BlackGold Tattoo Systems - Magero" tries to do.
All in all FKirons are going in the right direction, and I'm definitely gonna buy one of their machines in a year or three. Whether that will be a flux or a spektra -or something else entirely- remains to be seen, though.
Cheers!
@fkirons Look this video