@ that rather derogatory towards them. They’ve like any indigenous, less-advanced folk who have their land infringed upon. Celts, Native Americans, etc.
The Dunlendings were a mixture of both. They were being pushed around by outside forces, but they often failed to find peaceful means to retain their homeland.
How on earth do you know all this?! Tolkiens work is so deeply enriched with a crazy level and depth of knowledge and history that whist listening to this video you can easily forget that it's fiction as it all sounds so very real and like actual history! This is absolutely remarkable! Thank you for bringing this part of middle earth that we know so little about. 👏🏼👏🏼😊
I really appreciate that! There is a fair bit of effort and work that goes into putting it all together though rather than just knowing it all off the top of my head 😂
Tolkien’s brilliance lies in making fiction feel like history-but isn’t it ironic how we praise a fictional world so deeply while often overlooking the equally rich, real histories of our own world?
So the numenorians cut down the forests that the dunlendings needed then when a fight started they decided the dunlendings where evil savages. Anyone else think that was Tolkien's comment on colonization?
It's possible that the intent was to depict the Dunlendings as decent people who just encountered what I imagine was meant to show the worst parts of other cultures. Tolkien had a clear pattern of writing the destruction of nature in as something to be abhorred and his personal views on it seemingly reflect his writing. Nature-damaging forces also include Saruman once he went bad, Morgoth, Sauron, orcs in general, and the men around Dale IIRC. The basic pattern being that it's always done by either the obvious villains or by men who have a mix of what Tolkien might have considered good and bad traits as cultures. That deforestation was a big issue for Dunland suggest Gondor's ship industry was an idea Tolkien found distasteful and simply wrote in that they'd build them for realism. As a reverse of this, he said openly before that the Shire was written with the idea that it would be considered a paradise, and hobbits adopted a lot of his own traits such as enjoyment of pipeweed, gardens, and vests he called waistcoats.
the lands they had lived in were claimed by Gondor, but seems more in name since there weren't any major Gondorian populations in that area....which would have made the dunlendings very surprised when the Rohirrim arrived, which to them, would have simply been a repeat of when the Numenoreans arrived and took over. Tolkien's story may have been a clear good vs evil, but had a sense of realism by showing stronger nations displace weaker people whether by accident or on purpose. But showed,. like at the battle of Helm's deep and the wildmen helping Theoden by pass the road block that peace and mercy could lead to peaceful co-existence after lies and misinformation had caused a war to start.
The granting of Calenardhon to Eorl by Cirion, the 12th Steward of Gondor (TA 2510), made the Dunlendings the natural enemies of Rohan. The deforestation of Enedwaith by Númenor in the Second Age (Tar-Aldarion's reign: SA 883-1075) forced the people of the region to migrate to the lands that would later become Dunland, thus reinforcing the Dunlendings' hostility towards Rohan, Gondor's ally, and making them enemies of Númenor and Gondor, who would later inherit it.
when you are exploited by all sides and anger arises due to that exploitation how can you be called an aggressor but by the exploiters self defense and retribution are not wrong things when it is your culture at stake your livelihood and your survival .... to not see the greed from the invading exploiters who care not for the folk of the land and putting blame on the dunlendings is to admit guilt and your own fraudulent mind.
They seem the most "human" of the humans, with all those shades of gray, and the cycles of violence.
Chimpanzees, jealous of 'the other man's banana.'
@ that rather derogatory towards them. They’ve like any indigenous, less-advanced folk who have their land infringed upon. Celts, Native Americans, etc.
@@ghostdreamer7272 You're cutting corners.
The Dunlendings were a mixture of both. They were being pushed around by outside forces, but they often failed to find peaceful means to retain their homeland.
@@jprocha1570 How can you find peaceful ways to keep your lands?
How on earth do you know all this?! Tolkiens work is so deeply enriched with a crazy level and depth of knowledge and history that whist listening to this video you can easily forget that it's fiction as it all sounds so very real and like actual history! This is absolutely remarkable!
Thank you for bringing this part of middle earth that we know so little about. 👏🏼👏🏼😊
I really appreciate that! There is a fair bit of effort and work that goes into putting it all together though rather than just knowing it all off the top of my head 😂
@@TheBrokenSwordI always envision you both sitting in a study in Gondor like Gandalf in Fellowship. Sifting through dusty documents. 😅
@@ElizabethAnne-l7c 🤣🤣🤣
@@TheBrokenSword Why 3 smileys?
Tolkien’s brilliance lies in making fiction feel like history-but isn’t it ironic how we praise a fictional world so deeply while often overlooking the equally rich, real histories of our own world?
I've always envisioned the Dunlanders as Celts, and your illustrations reinforce that belief.
Great story. And a very good prelude to The war of the Rohorrim film.
So the numenorians cut down the forests that the dunlendings needed then when a fight started they decided the dunlendings where evil savages. Anyone else think that was Tolkien's comment on colonization?
It's possible that the intent was to depict the Dunlendings as decent people who just encountered what I imagine was meant to show the worst parts of other cultures. Tolkien had a clear pattern of writing the destruction of nature in as something to be abhorred and his personal views on it seemingly reflect his writing. Nature-damaging forces also include Saruman once he went bad, Morgoth, Sauron, orcs in general, and the men around Dale IIRC. The basic pattern being that it's always done by either the obvious villains or by men who have a mix of what Tolkien might have considered good and bad traits as cultures. That deforestation was a big issue for Dunland suggest Gondor's ship industry was an idea Tolkien found distasteful and simply wrote in that they'd build them for realism.
As a reverse of this, he said openly before that the Shire was written with the idea that it would be considered a paradise, and hobbits adopted a lot of his own traits such as enjoyment of pipeweed, gardens, and vests he called waistcoats.
I love these kinds of videos. ❤
the lands they had lived in were claimed by Gondor, but seems more in name since there weren't any major Gondorian populations in that area....which would have made the dunlendings very surprised when the Rohirrim arrived, which to them, would have simply been a repeat of when the Numenoreans arrived and took over.
Tolkien's story may have been a clear good vs evil, but had a sense of realism by showing stronger nations displace weaker people whether by accident or on purpose. But showed,. like at the battle of Helm's deep and the wildmen helping Theoden by pass the road block that peace and mercy could lead to peaceful co-existence after lies and misinformation had caused a war to start.
The granting of Calenardhon to Eorl by Cirion, the 12th Steward of Gondor (TA 2510), made the Dunlendings the natural enemies of Rohan. The deforestation of Enedwaith by Númenor in the Second Age (Tar-Aldarion's reign: SA 883-1075) forced the people of the region to migrate to the lands that would later become Dunland, thus reinforcing the Dunlendings' hostility towards Rohan, Gondor's ally, and making them enemies of Númenor and Gondor, who would later inherit it.
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Yes but where were they when the Westfold fell? 😜
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@@davect01 throwing it down
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Seems to me if the numenorians hadn't been so greedy and arrogant when they arrived things in that area would have been a lot more peaceful
Gotta feel a bit bad for the Dunlendings, they had they're land just given away because they weren't 'special' enough
Charity, does not envy.
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Wait a minute you sound like that guy from the table top alliance 😂 can it be ?
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when you are exploited by all sides and anger arises due to that exploitation how can you be called an aggressor but by the exploiters
self defense and retribution are not wrong things when it is your culture at stake your livelihood and your survival ....
to not see the greed from the invading exploiters who care not for the folk of the land and putting blame on the dunlendings is to admit guilt and your own fraudulent mind.
Very true!
Sounds exactly like the lies Saruman The Many-Colored would spread around. Enjoy your colorful cape.
Sounds exactly like the lies Saruman the Many-Colored would spread around. Enjoy your colorful cape.