I am 34 years old. 25 years ago, I thought Donkey Kong Country 2 was the best looking game ever made. If the PS5 Pro was the limit when we stop trying to push the visual boundaries, I would be fine. 8 years to make a game is too much.
If the developer of said project didn’t want a DMCA takedown Then they would of not shared progress in the first place They would rather just release it and be done with it no teasing nothing That’s how you guarantee no one will just knock the door and take it down Maybe another approach finish it then tease it for a week or 2 to garner attention then release
UA-camrs always do this it's hilarious. Happens all the time with Pokemon content creators, they'll play a rom hack, get a bunch of views then act surprised and outraged when TPC shuts it down.
youtubers are mostly the reason these gets shut down. UA-camrs should maybe put a limited time notification in youtube community tab for a bit and then take it down, so people who sees it can check it out without giving it too much attention.
@@Finnishmanni No, the ones responsible for the shutdown are the creators themselves for posting on their social media that they are developing something using an IP that doesn't belong to them
My favorite is when he has a video labeled, 'So.....about this game' with a concerned look on his face and yet the game is a banger. Anything to stir the pot!
Well UA-cam content creators reporting on this GTA 3 DC port is what is going to get this shut down. It's kinda hard for them to lay low, when everyone's putting them on blast.
For real. “Cool mod that’s 100% going to get C&D?? Better make a video showing potential 3/4 of a million people the mod.” There should be enough gaming news that you can avoid bringing it up.
Well… if it’s willingly publicized, and it expectedly blows up, that’s just what happens. Like what really do ya expect 😐 Not really an ethical issue from that side imo. But from here I think the only option is to completely minimize any more attention through updates or whathaveyou until it’s basically done and can be dumped for eternal use before the usual legal docs are sent.
Hmm🤔.. nintendo fans are not allowed to have opinions, your 8 bit console costs a few dollars less than ps5, so that’s y nintendo fans opinion doesn’t matter, honestly
I believe graphics are capped. I believe we need more feature packed games. Like BG3. The possibility and the way you interact with everything in the game, is what I’m looking for in other games.
Yeah we're pretty close to that wall of what's physically possible with the type of hardware we have, wed need a significant breakthrough, like quantum computing to seriously change how realistic graphics could get, regardless though these hyper detailed games we have are only getting more expensive and time consuming to produce for often underwhelming products that aren't actually fun to play. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if we're heading towards the second video game market crash cause it's just not sustainable
Lmao people being overly dramatic in the comments as usual... How is it a failure? Do you not think it will sell out? Just because you won't buy it doesn't mean it's a failure dude.
While I don’t disagree, I also believe it was a smart move by Sony if they present new games at TGS and show what the Pro is capable of, potentially creating new hype and demand for the Pro. Doing it the other way round would have over shadowed anything new they show.
The 3DO and PS3 were consoles I never had at any point. I couldn’t justify the price. I didn’t buy a PS4 pro until price dropped. Same thing with my Fat Disk PS5 and XBox X.
The low res for Alan Wake 2 is exactly on point. If it originally ran at 720p, 864p is 20% more on each axis, or 44% more total. Sounds right for 45% more GPU performance.
Yeah, that game hammers even my PC with an i9-13900k and a 3090.. I need to tone down all of the settings and jack DLSS all the way up. To be fair, I am using a super ultrawide monitor at 3440×1440
@@Finnishmanni yeah, that's the point of my post. It's a pretty demanding game.. I play plenty of other games just fine, and with might higher settings enabled with no issues.
I just hope that Black Myth Wukong will get a *PHYSICAL/DISC EDITION* for the PS5 down the line. I'm not going to buy a "code in the box" if that's how they want to sell it.
I was really hoping for them to mention something like 120fps at a system level, with more games holding a frame rate above 100 fps with no issue. The thing I’m upset about is from they way Mark Cerney explained it, I’m guessing we will get 3 modes overall, 30fps fidelity, 60fps performance, and on pro we will have a pro mode on PS exclusives which really is just 60fps fidelity. That sounds nice, but to someone with a 4K 120hz LG C2, it sounds like I’ll just get 67 fps in Spider-Man 2 Pro Mode with the frame rate unlocked, which isn’t that an improvement over the regular PS5 besides a higher resolution. While I want an above 1080p resolution on PS5 at 60fps (Cause Spider-Man 2 is something like 1016p in Performance, sometimes closer to 720p because they use ray tracing and even double reflection which NOONE NOTICES) I’m not spending $700 on it and even $850 after disc drive and taxes
Jumping $200+ in price while at the same time removing the physical disk-drive which half their buyers will want is quite an interesting (and disappointing) decision. As well as the differences to the base model in Sony’s own trailer being minuscule .
The amount of characters in dragonball games is always such a cheat. 180 characters !! (10 different goku's, 10 different gohans, 10 different vegeta's, ...)
Consoles should start introducing ways to upgrade internal parts separately. Why would anyone pay $700 for an upgrade that's barely noticeable? Make it so we can upgrade the gpu/cpu when the changes are worth it to upgrade.
Imagine paying an extra $200 for a system that needs to use ai upscaling garbage to keep a stable frame rate Also for anyone saying it: I do own a PC but almost never use mine for gaming. This is coming from someone who owns and uses consoles primarily for gaming and isn't some sort of PC master race argument
I sometimes feel the term A.I. is thrown out there for marketing when in reality a lot of this is not truly A.I. Can we really consider PSSR A.I.? It is basically detecting performance and adjusting. Auto focus on cameras does relatively the same thing in that it detects light changes and adjusts to get the best picture. We don't really consider that A.I. technology.
Nintendo essentially predicted this issue of higher resolution chasing back in the 3DS era that it ultimately would kill the gaming market and stagnate the industry as a whole leading to huge financial losses along with just terrible innovations it not none at all.
Pretty much. "Iwata basically states that by XBOX and PlayStation only focusing on power and visuals they will eventually find themselves in longer and more complicated development cycles that don’t really lead to any more meaningful or quality gameplay experiences for people to enjoy and experience." He talked about this in an interview from like 2003. At some point, games fail to feel like games and more like interactive movies, leading to diminishing returns. You can make a great, high res and detailed game, but at some point, taking so much money and time to risk it all on a medium that is already hard to see returns on is not always a good idea. Wukong seems to be a good example of a game that seems to have remembered it's high fidelity but still a game from what I hear at least.
Something I'm not seeing much is that if you buy the PS5 Pro, the disk drive and a bunch of physical games and you don't have internet in your area...you can't use the disk drive. It has to be activated online. I know people are gonna say "who doesn't have the internet", well... 22% of Americans have no access to the internet. Yet another unnecessary hurdle for the PS5 Pro.
@@deiradinnpeople with no access to the internet have bigger issues than worrying about the ps5pro disc drive being difficult to connect. If they don't have bigger issues to worry about, they must be awfully resourceful, and I'm sure they can figure out a way to use someone else's internet for a few minutes to connect a disc drive.
Exactly. If they don't want us owning our games, then they need to bring arcades back. Give us a place to go to, interact with other people, and experience games in a way that we can't at home. Otherwise, I want to buy and own my games, like I buy and own my movies.
Except what happens when you don’t have a choice anymore? Are you gonna quit playing games? No. So they don’t really care because big companies can force you to turn the tide. Just like devices without headphones jacks for example. You can say I won’t submit and will only buy devices with headphones jacks. Except what happens when a big company starts removing headphones jacks and every other company eventually follows and it gets phased out? You don’t have an option anymore except to not buy a phone. It’s already happened with physical movies. Now no one is collecting DVDs and the younger generation don’t care because they grew up with Netflix. Honestly we don’t have much control besides quitting our hobbies (in this case movies and video games) to show that we don’t support their product, and that’s just not realistically happening. Money talks and complaints don’t really matter.
@@-Stinky_Pinky When No more options exist another option is usually Created, For example look at what Nintendo has done with their Consoles, the Nintendo Switch is unfortunately completely Depending on its Battery becuase there's no Battery Bypass and then Nintendo Made it impossible to Play the Games Downloaded from their Eshop on multiple Consoles with only the Micro SD card as an option (unfortunately micro-SD cards Don't age very well) and Yet 141 Million Consoles have been sold, So What's going to happen once the Battery in All those Consoles Go out??? Do you Really think people Are going to dump the Console they have Put So much Money Into???? Nintendo Could have very Foolishly Made 141 Million New Hackers and Modders, Aswell as PC Enthusiasts
Remember when AI upscaling was supposed to provide better image quality on older hardware? Now companies are using it as an excuse to sell new hardware...
@@mightylink65 it seems to also not fix a thing based on digital foundries fundings so it's just a cash grab by using keywords like fast and strong and AI. Sony is making some odd choices in marketing.
What a dumb take. The "poors" lol. It is the consumers right to complain if the product isnt good or is too expensive. Plenty people who can afford it wont buy it as it looks like a total waste of money. Its not just the price that is bad it is also the console itself that looks poor, $700 for a slight upgrade over the base PS5.
@@XxZannexX yeah but he said CPU bottleneck. If a game is already maxing out the cpu or close to it at 30fps it doesn't matter how good the GPU is or how much upscaling you use it will still only get 30fps
I make more than enough to buy it but it's not worth it since I have a PS5 and no games to play plus there's not enough of a jump plus I haven't played anything that pushes the PS5 to the limits.
One way to present a generational leap while keeping the development cost stable, is to go hybrid while supporting current technology and including haptic feedback + motion controls. Let developers use their current expertise to focus more on creating unique experiences.
Someone can perhaps provide me with more information, but is it not misleading and false marketing for Sony to claim they can do HD 1080p and 4K at 60fps if in reality they are hitting between 800-900p resolutions?
The consoles HDMI port supports HDMI 2.1 which is capable of outputting 1080P and 4K resolutions. output resolution is different than rendering resolution. so even though the game has an internal rendering resolution of 720p, it can still upscale it to 4K and then output 4K to the TV. there are also plenty of games that do natively render and output at 4K, although they aren't technically demanding and usually not from Sony. I guess you could try to take them to court for this, but I don't think you'd have a strong case.
@@Pib31995 thanks for your comment, I definitely see that rendering resolution is more important for a better fidelity but can also be more graphically and computationally demanding specially at 60fps. I do wonder if we can get to a baseline of HD 1080p and 60fps with the ps5 pro across all games, as that would really be my incentive for purchase
Technically the console CAN, in games like COD or Minecraft where the games are optimized to actually run at those resolutions. The HDMI ports bandwidth are where that 4K 120fps comes from. Most customers don’t understand that and think just because the console is in 4K 60fps mode, the game is running at that resolution when in reality even a lot of PlayStation first party games like Spider-Man 2 run at more like 1500p-1700p rather than than 2160p. Hopefully in the future we can get a 1080p 60fps as the standard for single player games and 1080p 120fps for competitive multiplayer games
@@VisForVindetta "Hopefully in the future we can get a 1080p 60fps as the standard for single player games and 1080p 120fps for competitive multiplayer games" This has been standard on PC for years now, even prebuilts can easily hit 1080p 60fps on most titles. The Series X and PS5 are being touted as the strongest consoles ever and are frequently compared to PCs, but they still can't come close. Part of it I'm sure is console limitations, but a lot of the blame rests on unoptimized games and lazy/incompetent developers. Dragon's Dogma 2 was mentioned in this video and that game's a perfect example. It's extremely CPU heavy, barely utilizes the GPU and frame-rates are tied to how many NPCs are on screen. It's just sloppy game development.
The collection I really want from Capcom is a comprehensive Ghost N Goblins / Ghouls N Ghosts one. Get M2 on it and include all the different console versions. Then I'd like a nice remaster of the PSP one to make that 2.5D pop. The series really deserves that Castlevania treatment.
Dragon Quest III is going to be huge in Japan. It will push Switch sales there. I doubt Nintendo will announce the Switch 2 until the hype from that game dies down.
I don't know a lot of Japanese are angry if the legacy being damaged by fools. Removing gender is kind of a big problem for a game that allowed you to pick if you're playing as a boy or girl. Messing with the artist work who just died is a big no.
The PS5 Pro just might be the best way to play physical PS5 games in the future as PS6 might be a digital only system so backwards compatibility with physical disc will not be possible but digital purchases will be no problem
Good news about Sparking Zero and DQ3. I would import the MVC collection if I wasn't broke, but sadly an additional import cost, just to be able to own a physical copy is enough to skip the game for now at least.
Rejoice, my children, a exciting week has begun: This is the week where a Switch 2 reveal is at a all-time high. September 18th is the date that got thrown around a lot, meaning they will probably have a Twitter announcement about the reveal tomorrow. Will we finally see the Switch 2 after 2 years of rumors? Stay tuned to find out!
AAA developers pour billions of dollars into fidelity, resolution, and post-processing, meanwhile AA devs just learn how to design a character that isn't butt-ugly.
I really wanted to see Resident Evil 4 on the Dreamcast. A native version. If it can run that game decently, it can run anything from the rest of its generation. (excluding some Xbox games and select Game Cube games, maybe).
I bought my switch on day one and it was awesome, but it is getting old. My controllers are breaking and it kind of seems dated. I would not consider buying a new one. In fact the new Zelda game looks cool but I won't be getting it. My switch is collecting dust and it has nothing to do with Nintendo not making new stuff for it. It is just feels retro now and has lost its newness. It is kind of like buying a new car but after five years it has lost that new car smell.
Wait the collection is a dlc?!? I was about to go this week and pick up a physical copy. Glad I stayed to the end of this video. The only reason I was picking up this game was to have a physical copy.
@@Matanumi will double check. I had a couple of collections that you get a disc with one game and the rest downloaded or you just get a code for all games. You literally paying to get a paper that has the code for the games on it.
That new Switch bundle probably won't include a physical release, right? I definitely am excited for Dragon Ball Sparking Zero. I will get it on PS5. Dragon Quest III HD-2D is exciting; especially since we know I & II are getting a release too soon enough. I hope they do the same for the other games in the series. All of this arguing and debating about the PS5 Pro is silly. Yes it's expensive but relative to other consumer electronics, it could be a lot more expensive. People forget that smartphones can be over $1000 and high end PC GPUs are easily over $1000. So the $700 price tag + $80 for the disc drive is really not that expensive in the grand scheme of things. Also the PS5 Pro is really for tech enthusiasts and for those that have yet to get a PS5.
Have you considered they aren’t sending the ps5 professional out to outlets because the differences are so small and so few. How many games will actually take advantage of the extra power
Just get dearrow. it's an addon to reduce clickbait by community submitted titles. It also lets you remove custom thumbnails so your homepage actually looks way less manufactured.
Above all the things about the PS five pro it’s a little confusing to what used to be on the box when the PS five was sold in the first place. Why didn’t they just release what was already on the original PS five box instead of making a pro and charging seven dollars for it on top of what used to be on the original box. The only thing that makes sense is the 2 TB but no, the price quickly gets up to nearly $900 as the customer I would’ve saved a lot of money. What was on the box was given to the customer in the first place. Apparently, Sony took what Nintendo did with donkey Kong in its enhancements turn right around same thing with the PS five Pro.
If PalWorld sold official dedicated servers as a subscription, like Minecraft, I would go all in. In fact, Microsoft could even host all their servers! Easy way to keep generating revenue and you don't need to sell DLC either to keep the game alive!
The PS5 Pro numbers are in line with third party games on PC running on an $800-1000 graphics card. Only like Sony, MS, and a few outliers would run better.
45% more power != 45% more fps. The whole technical specs are linear, pixels/image processing is always at least squared. That's the reason why they need the upscaling. Without upscaling technique they wouldn't gain a lot more performance. And that's the reason why we don't get an upscaler on the base PS5. A shame on Sony
@Mr_jz_12 I don't think so. Sony is serious with their ask. And people will pay it without thinking twice because they gotta have the latest of the latest so they can flex on everyone else.
The creator of "Flappy Bird" made a game that used Nintendo's assets, and when it became super popular he realized that Nintendo would sue him into oblivion and "ceased and desisted" before that could happen. Smart move. All this bullshit about "I made something that could be harmful" and "I don't care about the money"...fuck off...He cut and ran before he got caught.
I can’t be the only one who’s still waiting for Sony to kill off support for the PS4. Before that happens, the idea of buying a pro version of the PS5 is ludicrous to me.
This isn’t a budget conscious console for everybody. This is for the enthusiasts that want the best PS5 experience possible. It’s a pretty simple concept
It was hard as shit too. It’s just a really basic high-score game that got popular around a time when kids were playing games like Doodle Jump and Jetpack Joyride on their iPod touches
Some of these devs are killin me. STOP tryna push Ray Tracing on AMD silicone (PS5/Xbox/APUs) . STOP IT!!! It's a waste of resources. Shift ALL available resources on the silicone to giving us the highest resolution at the highest stable framerates possible. Problem solved.
I'm in a weird mental state where a part of my brain is constantly screaming about how terrible a purchase the PS5 Pro 5 is whereas the rest of my brain has already totally moved on past that, has decided to get one at launch and pretty much thinks the screaming part can go eff itself.
I do not understand Sony's strategy other than the hope that they can cash in on Sony fanboys and Fomo to drive sales. If they were releasing the PS5 Pro between 600-650 including a disc drive, I would consider adding it to my collection. Just having all the drives scalped engenders an immediate hard pass for me. There is no way I can believe that Sony did not know this would happen.
But can they get sued for porting an old game to a decades dead system for free? If so, that's an unfortunate precedent. Imagine someone getting sued for porting Doom to a thermostat, smartfridge, calculator, etc.
Wait, alan wake 2 still can't hit 1080 and upscale from there? I really hope that's just poor utilization on remedy. Alan wake 2 is a beast graphically, but I feel should be manageable without RT.
I'm probably one of the few who will buy the (too) expensive PS 5 Pro. My main reason, besides future games, is a list of current games whose performance (or quality) was too bad for me to play on the base PS 5: Final Fantasy VII Rebirth Dragons Dogma 2 Alan Wake 2 Back Myth: Wukon Others buy too expensive iPhones almost every year. I find an expensive Playstation after 4 years for 4 years to be quite acceptable...
Personally, I think the PS5 Pro is fine as a system and what it is capable of. It is the price that will keep me from purchasing it. That and the fact that there are no games that Sony has released in the last couple years that make the upgrade worth it to me.
I swear he gets paid by these game companies to rat out modders. Something cool is getting made, he reports on it, it gets shut down, he comes on the next day so shocked that it got shut down.
The real difference between gaming on a console versus a PC are the options. It is a freedom of choice thing. As a result you have a different outlook on the product. Everyone has their own idea as to what optimization is. I can't think of a reason why the console version of the game can't have the same options, provided there is a physical button for factory reset.
To me is very funny to hear the comment “what SONY showed us is very hard to convey why we should get the system”. This sentiment is THE reason why every developer prioritize the graphics over performance. People can SEE a difference in graphic while is very hard to show performance gains. Everyone has been screaming to SONY to prioritize performance, “we don't want more 30fps”, the moment they do everyone now criticize them for not showing the benefits. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I'm still waiting for the 8K that is still printed on the box of every PS5 not pro.
hahaha
@@Ozzymandius1 lol it technically works on an 8k tv.
I am 34 years old. 25 years ago, I thought Donkey Kong Country 2 was the best looking game ever made.
If the PS5 Pro was the limit when we stop trying to push the visual boundaries, I would be fine. 8 years to make a game is too much.
You mean ps5 without the blur filter???
DK Country 2 holds really well after all these years
1990 kid here too! I thought Killer Instinct and DK2 were the best looking games
@@hanzo90Orchid's physique, lives rent free in my mind to this day.
Takes waaaaaay too long to make games now.
Devs: "We're laying low"
John: "HERE IS GTAIII ON THE DREAMCAST AGAIN"
Devs: :|
@@mrbisshie
John :l
His name is Jon.
If you didnt want Take 2 to drop a DMCA on GTA3 on the Dreamcast, why would you draw more attention to it by making it a major news story?
Tardation hits everyone a little different. With Jon this is his tardation.
If the developer of said project didn’t want a DMCA takedown
Then they would of not shared progress in the first place
They would rather just release it and be done with it no teasing nothing
That’s how you guarantee no one will just knock the door and take it down
Maybe another approach finish it then tease it for a week or 2 to garner attention then release
"you might want to lay low with this port" says the man showcasing it to his 700k+ subscribers
😅😅😅
UA-camrs always do this it's hilarious. Happens all the time with Pokemon content creators, they'll play a rom hack, get a bunch of views then act surprised and outraged when TPC shuts it down.
youtubers are mostly the reason these gets shut down. UA-camrs should maybe put a limited time notification in youtube community tab for a bit and then take it down, so people who sees it can check it out without giving it too much attention.
@@Finnishmanni No, the ones responsible for the shutdown are the creators themselves for posting on their social media that they are developing something using an IP that doesn't belong to them
My favorite is when he has a video labeled, 'So.....about this game' with a concerned look on his face and yet the game is a banger. Anything to stir the pot!
Well UA-cam content creators reporting on this GTA 3 DC port is what is going to get this shut down. It's kinda hard for them to lay low, when everyone's putting them on blast.
These modders shouldnt even mention the project till it's done then release it decentralized
@@MatticusFinch1820 I agree with point of view.
For real.
“Cool mod that’s 100% going to get C&D?? Better make a video showing potential 3/4 of a million people the mod.” There should be enough gaming news that you can avoid bringing it up.
Well… if it’s willingly publicized, and it expectedly blows up, that’s just what happens. Like what really do ya expect 😐 Not really an ethical issue from that side imo. But from here I think the only option is to completely minimize any more attention through updates or whathaveyou until it’s basically done and can be dumped for eternal use before the usual legal docs are sent.
PS5: play has no limits
PS5 Pro: play has limits now, no disc drive and no stand, all for $700
The PS5 Pro is a joke, just keep your old PS5 or move to PC!
More like price has no limits.🙄
Username says it all
Hmm🤔.. nintendo fans are not allowed to have opinions, your 8 bit console costs a few dollars less than ps5, so that’s y nintendo fans opinion doesn’t matter, honestly
I believe graphics are capped. I believe we need more feature packed games. Like BG3. The possibility and the way you interact with everything in the game, is what I’m looking for in other games.
Yeah, I want the game to look fun, not realistic, I want alot of features and fun
Yeah we're pretty close to that wall of what's physically possible with the type of hardware we have, wed need a significant breakthrough, like quantum computing to seriously change how realistic graphics could get, regardless though these hyper detailed games we have are only getting more expensive and time consuming to produce for often underwhelming products that aren't actually fun to play. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if we're heading towards the second video game market crash cause it's just not sustainable
@@daddykarlmarx6183 Oh you worded this much more nicely than I was going to lol
PS 5 pro announcement was a failure of epic proportions. The price point reminded me of the launch price point for the 3DO console back in the 90's.
It's crazy to think, 18 years ago, the PS3 was only $100 cheaper
So don't buy it.i will
Lmao people being overly dramatic in the comments as usual... How is it a failure? Do you not think it will sell out? Just because you won't buy it doesn't mean it's a failure dude.
While I don’t disagree, I also believe it was a smart move by Sony if they present new games at TGS and show what the Pro is capable of, potentially creating new hype and demand for the Pro. Doing it the other way round would have over shadowed anything new they show.
The 3DO and PS3 were consoles I never had at any point. I couldn’t justify the price. I didn’t buy a PS4 pro until price dropped. Same thing with my Fat Disk PS5 and XBox X.
The only purpose of the PS5 Pro is to make the PS5 base look cheap and sell better, I'm convinced now. It's not going to sell well.
The low res for Alan Wake 2 is exactly on point. If it originally ran at 720p, 864p is 20% more on each axis, or 44% more total. Sounds right for 45% more GPU performance.
Yeah, that game hammers even my PC with an i9-13900k and a 3090.. I need to tone down all of the settings and jack DLSS all the way up. To be fair, I am using a super ultrawide monitor at 3440×1440
@@DanielBarbaro "To be fair..." lmao maybe that's the reason your fps tanks.
@@Finnishmanni yeah, that's the point of my post. It's a pretty demanding game.. I play plenty of other games just fine, and with might higher settings enabled with no issues.
I just hope that Black Myth Wukong will get a *PHYSICAL/DISC EDITION* for the PS5 down the line.
I'm not going to buy a "code in the box" if that's how they want to sell it.
Gamers: 80 percent of us like performance mode.
Sony: let’s charge 700 for fidelity
This is exactly what I took away from the presentation, it was so tone deaf of them.
Depends on how well PSSR does. If it’s like DLSS it could be something to consider
So running the game at 60 fps instead of 30 fps is not chosing for performance?
I was really hoping for them to mention something like 120fps at a system level, with more games holding a frame rate above 100 fps with no issue.
The thing I’m upset about is from they way Mark Cerney explained it, I’m guessing we will get 3 modes overall, 30fps fidelity, 60fps performance, and on pro we will have a pro mode on PS exclusives which really is just 60fps fidelity.
That sounds nice, but to someone with a 4K 120hz LG C2, it sounds like I’ll just get 67 fps in Spider-Man 2 Pro Mode with the frame rate unlocked, which isn’t that an improvement over the regular PS5 besides a higher resolution. While I want an above 1080p resolution on PS5 at 60fps (Cause Spider-Man 2 is something like 1016p in Performance, sometimes closer to 720p because they use ray tracing and even double reflection which NOONE NOTICES) I’m not spending $700 on it and even $850 after disc drive and taxes
@@solid_justice5855 On older games, newer games like GTA6, Space Marine 2 will still be 30 fps.
Jumping $200+ in price while at the same time removing the physical disk-drive which half their buyers will want is quite an interesting (and disappointing) decision. As well as the differences to the base model in Sony’s own trailer being minuscule .
Its just on DOUBLE the price of the ps5 (digital) or 500 yes, FIVE HUNDRED, on top of the physical in australia.
Sony hoping the dupes don't notice.
Launch PS5 gonna be as sought after as the OG PS3
@@MatticusFinch1820 PHAT PS3 Enjoyers 🗿
The amount of characters in dragonball games is always such a cheat. 180 characters !! (10 different goku's, 10 different gohans, 10 different vegeta's, ...)
GTA 3 on dream cast would be crazy 🎉
Consoles should start introducing ways to upgrade internal parts separately. Why would anyone pay $700 for an upgrade that's barely noticeable? Make it so we can upgrade the gpu/cpu when the changes are worth it to upgrade.
That's literally what the PS5 Pro is, just a better gpu, they kept the cpu the same and the ssd was already changeable...
It's called a PC lol
Imagine paying an extra $200 for a system that needs to use ai upscaling garbage to keep a stable frame rate
Also for anyone saying it: I do own a PC but almost never use mine for gaming. This is coming from someone who owns and uses consoles primarily for gaming and isn't some sort of PC master race argument
You realise when a PC player says I'm running my game at 1440p dlss they aren't really 1440p right?
DLSS and FSR is what Nvidia and AMD keep shoving down our throats cause they can’t innovate…
So what I'm still buying it
@@XxZannexXThey are the innovation. And DLSS is uncompareable to FSR. I hope PiSSR is as good as DLSS.
Blame TAA, it's been abused for years to push prettier graphical effects at the expense of butchering the image and adding ghosting.
Thank God there not making palworld a live service game! Can't wait for it to come to ps5
I sometimes feel the term A.I. is thrown out there for marketing when in reality a lot of this is not truly A.I. Can we really consider PSSR A.I.? It is basically detecting performance and adjusting. Auto focus on cameras does relatively the same thing in that it detects light changes and adjusts to get the best picture. We don't really consider that A.I. technology.
Nintendo essentially predicted this issue of higher resolution chasing back in the 3DS era that it ultimately would kill the gaming market and stagnate the industry as a whole leading to huge financial losses along with just terrible innovations it not none at all.
Pretty much.
"Iwata basically states that by XBOX and PlayStation only focusing on power and visuals they will eventually find themselves in longer and more complicated development cycles that don’t really lead to any more meaningful or quality gameplay experiences for people to enjoy and experience."
He talked about this in an interview from like 2003. At some point, games fail to feel like games and more like interactive movies, leading to diminishing returns. You can make a great, high res and detailed game, but at some point, taking so much money and time to risk it all on a medium that is already hard to see returns on is not always a good idea. Wukong seems to be a good example of a game that seems to have remembered it's high fidelity but still a game from what I hear at least.
Something I'm not seeing much is that if you buy the PS5 Pro, the disk drive and a bunch of physical games and you don't have internet in your area...you can't use the disk drive. It has to be activated online.
I know people are gonna say "who doesn't have the internet", well... 22% of Americans have no access to the internet.
Yet another unnecessary hurdle for the PS5 Pro.
But who in the world would have money to buy a ps5 pro but have no internet?
@@goldmemberpb no access to internet, meaning there is no ISPs at all.
If they don’t have internet maybe they don’t know it was announced lol
@@deiradinnpeople with no access to the internet have bigger issues than worrying about the ps5pro disc drive being difficult to connect.
If they don't have bigger issues to worry about, they must be awfully resourceful, and I'm sure they can figure out a way to use someone else's internet for a few minutes to connect a disc drive.
@@jayjayhooksch1 please read, they have no access to any ISPs. Meaning if they could clearly afford it, they have no access.
If a Game can't be owned and collected there's No Point in buying it
Exactly. If they don't want us owning our games, then they need to bring arcades back. Give us a place to go to, interact with other people, and experience games in a way that we can't at home. Otherwise, I want to buy and own my games, like I buy and own my movies.
Except what happens when you don’t have a choice anymore? Are you gonna quit playing games? No. So they don’t really care because big companies can force you to turn the tide. Just like devices without headphones jacks for example. You can say I won’t submit and will only buy devices with headphones jacks. Except what happens when a big company starts removing headphones jacks and every other company eventually follows and it gets phased out? You don’t have an option anymore except to not buy a phone. It’s already happened with physical movies. Now no one is collecting DVDs and the younger generation don’t care because they grew up with Netflix. Honestly we don’t have much control besides quitting our hobbies (in this case movies and video games) to show that we don’t support their product, and that’s just not realistically happening. Money talks and complaints don’t really matter.
@@-Stinky_Pinky just download everything
@@-Stinky_Pinky that's why pirating exists
@@-Stinky_Pinky When No more options exist another option is usually Created, For example look at what Nintendo has done with their Consoles, the Nintendo Switch is unfortunately completely Depending on its Battery becuase there's no Battery Bypass and then Nintendo Made it impossible to Play the Games Downloaded from their Eshop on multiple Consoles with only the Micro SD card as an option (unfortunately micro-SD cards Don't age very well) and Yet 141 Million Consoles have been sold,
So What's going to happen once the Battery in All those Consoles Go out??? Do you Really think people Are going to dump the Console they have Put So much Money Into????
Nintendo Could have very Foolishly Made 141 Million New Hackers and Modders, Aswell as PC Enthusiasts
Sony is basically trying to sell us ai upscaling for an astronomical price.
Remember when AI upscaling was supposed to provide better image quality on older hardware? Now companies are using it as an excuse to sell new hardware...
@@mightylink65 it seems to also not fix a thing based on digital foundries fundings so it's just a cash grab by using keywords like fast and strong and AI. Sony is making some odd choices in marketing.
PC gamer here, first time?
@@XxZannexX consoles are slowly following PC in all the bad ways. Soon enough we will have multiple launchers on one console
@@johntalmo3632 Next Gen Xbox, calling it now.
8:46 - PS4 PRO? :) Sorry, just had to... Anyway, great vid as always. I'll see myself out ;)
Yup. Bad editing
I caught that too, but it’s like going into a new year and writing the previous. Going to take time to say PS5 Pro.
I like how spawnwave, Dreamcastguy and rgt shout out posts from smaller UA-camrs 👍🏼
Sony pretending they didn't just create a cpu bottleneck...
Not how it works, plus if PSSR works like DLSS you’ll get higher framerates.
What a dumb take. The "poors" lol. It is the consumers right to complain if the product isnt good or is too expensive. Plenty people who can afford it wont buy it as it looks like a total waste of money. Its not just the price that is bad it is also the console itself that looks poor, $700 for a slight upgrade over the base PS5.
Sony hoping the dupes don't notice.
@@XxZannexX yeah but he said CPU bottleneck. If a game is already maxing out the cpu or close to it at 30fps it doesn't matter how good the GPU is or how much upscaling you use it will still only get 30fps
I make more than enough to buy it but it's not worth it since I have a PS5 and no games to play plus there's not enough of a jump plus I haven't played anything that pushes the PS5 to the limits.
One way to present a generational leap while keeping the development cost stable, is to go hybrid while supporting current technology and including haptic feedback + motion controls. Let developers use their current expertise to focus more on creating unique experiences.
Someone can perhaps provide me with more information, but is it not misleading and false marketing for Sony to claim they can do HD 1080p and 4K at 60fps if in reality they are hitting between 800-900p resolutions?
The consoles HDMI port supports HDMI 2.1 which is capable of outputting 1080P and 4K resolutions. output resolution is different than rendering resolution. so even though the game has an internal rendering resolution of 720p, it can still upscale it to 4K and then output 4K to the TV. there are also plenty of games that do natively render and output at 4K, although they aren't technically demanding and usually not from Sony.
I guess you could try to take them to court for this, but I don't think you'd have a strong case.
@@Pib31995 thanks for your comment, I definitely see that rendering resolution is more important for a better fidelity but can also be more graphically and computationally demanding specially at 60fps. I do wonder if we can get to a baseline of HD 1080p and 60fps with the ps5 pro across all games, as that would really be my incentive for purchase
And even the base PS5 hits native 4K 60fps. Days Gone, for example. They just misslead people and legally can say "It's Possible"
Technically the console CAN, in games like COD or Minecraft where the games are optimized to actually run at those resolutions. The HDMI ports bandwidth are where that 4K 120fps comes from. Most customers don’t understand that and think just because the console is in 4K 60fps mode, the game is running at that resolution when in reality even a lot of PlayStation first party games like Spider-Man 2 run at more like 1500p-1700p rather than than 2160p.
Hopefully in the future we can get a 1080p 60fps as the standard for single player games and 1080p 120fps for competitive multiplayer games
@@VisForVindetta "Hopefully in the future we can get a 1080p 60fps as the standard for single player games and 1080p 120fps for competitive multiplayer games"
This has been standard on PC for years now, even prebuilts can easily hit 1080p 60fps on most titles. The Series X and PS5 are being touted as the strongest consoles ever and are frequently compared to PCs, but they still can't come close. Part of it I'm sure is console limitations, but a lot of the blame rests on unoptimized games and lazy/incompetent developers. Dragon's Dogma 2 was mentioned in this video and that game's a perfect example. It's extremely CPU heavy, barely utilizes the GPU and frame-rates are tied to how many NPCs are on screen. It's just sloppy game development.
as far as “laying low” I think you have just forgotten how popular this channel is
The collection I really want from Capcom is a comprehensive Ghost N Goblins / Ghouls N Ghosts one. Get M2 on it and include all the different console versions. Then I'd like a nice remaster of the PSP one to make that 2.5D pop. The series really deserves that Castlevania treatment.
Gimme those commodore and Amiga versions with the tim/Geoff follin music
Nintendo Switch OLED white model $629 NZ and the PS5 Pro $1379 NZ.
Dragon Quest III is going to be huge in Japan. It will push Switch sales there. I doubt Nintendo will announce the Switch 2 until the hype from that game dies down.
maybe, but I suspect they're going to find out fast that the game was screwed up by the PC Yakusa.
I'm getting it day one of Steam.
I don't know a lot of Japanese are angry if the legacy being damaged by fools. Removing gender is kind of a big problem for a game that allowed you to pick if you're playing as a boy or girl. Messing with the artist work who just died is a big no.
@@Mac_Omegaly I don't think people actually give a damn. It's not affecting them or making you pick a non gendered character.
The game is PACKED with censorship. Don't count on it.
Ps5 pro started out weird
that Switch OLED Mario Wonder bundle is $539AU--which i think is the standard price
Why dafuq does the Dreamcast version of GTA 3 look better than the remastered version lol. I hope they complete this project without any problems
The PS5 Pro just might be the best way to play physical PS5 games in the future as PS6 might be a digital only system so backwards compatibility with physical disc will not be possible but digital purchases will be no problem
This is exactly my calculus around copping the pro.
Ps5 pro is digital only though.
(Unless you're one of the suckers buying one with a disc drive.)
Good news about Sparking Zero and DQ3. I would import the MVC collection if I wasn't broke, but sadly an additional import cost, just to be able to own a physical copy is enough to skip the game for now at least.
Flappy Bird is pretty much an endless runner if you’ve ever played one of those.
Rejoice, my children, a exciting week has begun: This is the week where a Switch 2 reveal is at a all-time high. September 18th is the date that got thrown around a lot, meaning they will probably have a Twitter announcement about the reveal tomorrow. Will we finally see the Switch 2 after 2 years of rumors? Stay tuned to find out!
Is this like when folk said "Jesus will return"....
@@mikeuk666
Similar, the Switch 2 is real, Jesus isn't.
@MatthewdangeR agreed though switch 2 being announced has become it's own meme
@@MatthewdangeR haha have fun in hell
@@mrwannabe00 next you'll be saying earth is flat & dinosaurs are fake 😂
Sega should just drop a updated iteration of Dreamcast that can run fan games ports and emulators atleast
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Oh lawd!😩
What in the sweet baby inc- there's a black dragon ball now?!😮💨
AAA developers pour billions of dollars into fidelity, resolution, and post-processing, meanwhile AA devs just learn how to design a character that isn't butt-ugly.
Imagine if Nintendo released like a Flappy Bird Clone on their 99 online series ? Insane
I remember when Flappy Bird went away people were selling phones with the app on there because one you uninstalled it was gone forever!
I really wanted to see Resident Evil 4 on the Dreamcast. A native version. If it can run that game decently, it can run anything from the rest of its generation. (excluding some Xbox games and select Game Cube games, maybe).
Devs of PalWorld are unsure how to move forward. Also, if they disappears soon that's music to my ears. Lastly, we all live in a Pokémon world.
I bought my switch on day one and it was awesome, but it is getting old. My controllers are breaking and it kind of seems dated. I would not consider buying a new one. In fact the new Zelda game looks cool but I won't be getting it. My switch is collecting dust and it has nothing to do with Nintendo not making new stuff for it. It is just feels retro now and has lost its newness. It is kind of like buying a new car but after five years it has lost that new car smell.
They should have said $650 for base pro unit and $700 for a ps5 pro with the disk drive....
Disc, disc is the circular thing, disk is like a floppy disk or a HDD.
Wait the collection is a dlc?!? I was about to go this week and pick up a physical copy. Glad I stayed to the end of this video. The only reason I was picking up this game was to have a physical copy.
@@Matanumi will double check. I had a couple of collections that you get a disc with one game and the rest downloaded or you just get a code for all games. You literally paying to get a paper that has the code for the games on it.
Dragon's Dogma 2 at 60fps is actually pretty good
That new Switch bundle probably won't include a physical release, right?
I definitely am excited for Dragon Ball Sparking Zero. I will get it on PS5.
Dragon Quest III HD-2D is exciting; especially since we know I & II are getting a release too soon enough.
I hope they do the same for the other games in the series.
All of this arguing and debating about the PS5 Pro is silly. Yes it's expensive but relative to other consumer electronics, it could be a lot more expensive. People forget that smartphones can be over $1000 and high end PC GPUs are easily over $1000. So the $700 price tag + $80 for the disc drive is really not that expensive in the grand scheme of things. Also the PS5 Pro is really for tech enthusiasts and for those that have yet to get a PS5.
Im most excited for Life is Strange Double Exposure!
Lol. What?
Tell me you're joking!
That doesn't even count as a game, more like a audiobook with pictures.
@@Happy_Hand nope, I’m a big Life is Strange fan.
Have you considered they aren’t sending the ps5 professional out to outlets because the differences are so small and so few. How many games will actually take advantage of the extra power
Dont care i just want one just to say i have it
@@BansheeN0rn consume more
@@BansheeN0rnBuy me one too, so I can say I have it.
No? Did Sony send PS5s to outlets ahead of announcement for testing? Kind of a reach
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I remembered why Flappy Bird was taken down so I was skeptical about it coming back. I was right to be skeptical.
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How long did it take it to dawn on ppl that this was the first time we've ever seen a DQ cover without Toriyama's art on it?
Complete PS5 Pro $830, PS+ Essential $80, $75 (price hike of $5) controller, $70 for a game. $1,055 for a regular set-up, BEFORE taxes! 😂😂
The GTA3 team has stars over their heads. lmao
There goes that "weird" word again in the title😂 I swear it's overused here.
And Situation as well, your lucky it's not "Nintendo Switch 2 Situation"
Just get dearrow. it's an addon to reduce clickbait by community submitted titles. It also lets you remove custom thumbnails so your homepage actually looks way less manufactured.
He's trying to get the libs/dems to click on it
Don’t for get “shocking”.
First?
Above all the things about the PS five pro it’s a little confusing to what used to be on the box when the PS five was sold in the first place. Why didn’t they just release what was already on the original PS five box instead of making a pro and charging seven dollars for it on top of what used to be on the original box. The only thing that makes sense is the 2 TB but no, the price quickly gets up to nearly $900 as the customer I would’ve saved a lot of money. What was on the box was given to the customer in the first place.
Apparently, Sony took what Nintendo did with donkey Kong in its enhancements turn right around same thing with the PS five Pro.
If PalWorld sold official dedicated servers as a subscription, like Minecraft, I would go all in. In fact, Microsoft could even host all their servers! Easy way to keep generating revenue and you don't need to sell DLC either to keep the game alive!
I'm sick of how this censorship crap is getting to companies like Square Enix and Capcom I'm so sick of these people ruining Legacy games
People can go on and on about how impressive the next GTA will be, it will never top the PS2 trilogy.
18:24 oh god I hope it’s on a cartridge 🤞🏻
The PS5 Pro numbers are in line with third party games on PC running on an $800-1000 graphics card. Only like Sony, MS, and a few outliers would run better.
Sony Pay-Station
Jon you mean no one in gaming is doing QA QC procedures before releasing their creation?
45% more power != 45% more fps. The whole technical specs are linear, pixels/image processing is always at least squared. That's the reason why they need the upscaling. Without upscaling technique they wouldn't gain a lot more performance. And that's the reason why we don't get an upscaler on the base PS5. A shame on Sony
The ps5 pro is almost DOUBLE the current digital ps5 price in Australia.
Same here in states. It's just about double the price of the digital PS5.
@@UNPOCOLOCO444 surely this has to be one of those "ask a stupid price, say you fixed it and lower it to above what you originally wanted" things.
@Mr_jz_12 I don't think so. Sony is serious with their ask. And people will pay it without thinking twice because they gotta have the latest of the latest so they can flex on everyone else.
I realize Dragon Quest 3 was a prequel, but it still seems odd to release 3 before 1 & 2.
I still have flappy bird from day one.
I'm shocked that no one has yet to do a homebrew port of Gta 3 on the Gamecube or Wii yet
The creator of "Flappy Bird" made a game that used Nintendo's assets, and when it became super popular he realized that Nintendo would sue him into oblivion and "ceased and desisted" before that could happen. Smart move. All this bullshit about "I made something that could be harmful" and "I don't care about the money"...fuck off...He cut and ran before he got caught.
I can’t be the only one who’s still waiting for Sony to kill off support for the PS4. Before that happens, the idea of buying a pro version of the PS5 is ludicrous to me.
Flappy Bird one of the main stories. This show is getting bettsr and better...
This isn’t a budget conscious console for everybody. This is for the enthusiasts that want the best PS5 experience possible. It’s a pretty simple concept
Much too complicated a concept for the internet I’m afraid.
I don't even know what flappy bird is lol
Same
It was just an endless flier where you pressed the screen to go up and released to stop flapping. That's it. Early iphone game.
How old are you?
It was hard as shit too. It’s just a really basic high-score game that got popular around a time when kids were playing games like Doodle Jump and Jetpack Joyride on their iPod touches
@@TheMysteryDriver Yup and it's beyond me why it has been reported on all week
Pay 700 USD to play remasters at 60fps.
Some of these devs are killin me. STOP tryna push Ray Tracing on AMD silicone (PS5/Xbox/APUs) . STOP IT!!! It's a waste of resources. Shift ALL available resources on the silicone to giving us the highest resolution at the highest stable framerates possible. Problem solved.
I'm in a weird mental state where a part of my brain is constantly screaming about how terrible a purchase the PS5 Pro 5 is whereas the rest of my brain has already totally moved on past that, has decided to get one at launch and pretty much thinks the screaming part can go eff itself.
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180 characters and im sure ten of them will be different forms of goku.
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I do not understand Sony's strategy other than the hope that they can cash in on Sony fanboys and Fomo to drive sales. If they were releasing the PS5 Pro between 600-650 including a disc drive, I would consider adding it to my collection. Just having all the drives scalped engenders an immediate hard pass for me. There is no way I can believe that Sony did not know this would happen.
But can they get sued for porting an old game to a decades dead system for free? If so, that's an unfortunate precedent. Imagine someone getting sued for porting Doom to a thermostat, smartfridge, calculator, etc.
Keep telling yall legend of dragoon ps5 pro exclusive would move systems. Especially if it wouldve been bundled in with an ape escape remake.
"Twitter x" makes it sound like you broke up with someone you only knew from twitter
Wait, alan wake 2 still can't hit 1080 and upscale from there? I really hope that's just poor utilization on remedy. Alan wake 2 is a beast graphically, but I feel should be manageable without RT.
I'm probably one of the few who will buy the (too) expensive PS 5 Pro. My main reason, besides future games, is a list of current games whose performance (or quality) was too bad for me to play on the base PS 5:
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
Dragons Dogma 2
Alan Wake 2
Back Myth: Wukon
Others buy too expensive iPhones almost every year.
I find an expensive Playstation after 4 years for 4 years to be quite acceptable...
Personally, I think the PS5 Pro is fine as a system and what it is capable of. It is the price that will keep me from purchasing it. That and the fact that there are no games that Sony has released in the last couple years that make the upgrade worth it to me.
Great video!
Was I the only one noticed he said PS4 Pro, and meant to say PS5 Pro?
Honestly I think they can port GTA III to the Sega Naomi
I always forget the Switch is region free.
Decided this morning I'm going to preorder the pro went and bought the disc drive this morning they are selling like crazy
I swear he gets paid by these game companies to rat out modders. Something cool is getting made, he reports on it, it gets shut down, he comes on the next day so shocked that it got shut down.
The real difference between gaming on a console versus a PC are the options. It is a freedom of choice thing. As a result you have a different outlook on the product. Everyone has their own idea as to what optimization is. I can't think of a reason why the console version of the game can't have the same options, provided there is a physical button for factory reset.
To me is very funny to hear the comment “what SONY showed us is very hard to convey why we should get the system”.
This sentiment is THE reason why every developer prioritize the graphics over performance. People can SEE a difference in graphic while is very hard to show performance gains.
Everyone has been screaming to SONY to prioritize performance, “we don't want more 30fps”, the moment they do everyone now criticize them for not showing the benefits.
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I’m happy with my PC and ps4 pro. I’ll upgrade to ps5 when it’s 200 bucks.