J. Vernon McGee on Lordship salvation heresy
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Please understand. Jesus IS Lord. No one is denying that. Please do not say that "if we're saved Jesus is Lord". We know that! We are not talking about that! In this clip JVM is talking about an increasingly common heretical false doctrine known as "Lordship Salvation". It should be called "Lifestyle Salvation", because that's what it teaches. It is taught by many modern pastors. PLEASE NOTE!!! "Lordship Salvation" is a euphemistically named false doctrine that emphasizes works for salvation. "Making Jesus Lord of your life" (as they say) actually equates to law keeping. Galatians 2:16 says "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." also remember Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
Quite a few people have a knee-jerk reaction and think that by denying “Lordship Salvation” we are denying the Lordship of Christ. WE DO NOT! We say clearly again -- JESUS IS LORD!! I will shout that from the rooftops til my last breath! But “Lordship Salvation” is a subtle works-based heresy that stresses works, law keeping, and turning from sin (one's lifestyle), for salvation. It has nothing to do with Jesus as Lord. It is BECAUSE he is my Lord that I defend his truth!! I hope you understand.
Ephesians 2:8-9
Galatians 2:16
"Lordship Salvation" is an insidious doctrine. Jesus is Lord, and because of that fact I will follow and defend His truth. And His truth is that works don't save you. Only HE does!! Amen!
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"Lordship Salvation" is a heretical false doctrine that teaches you have to "make Jesus lord of your life". This is a subtle, sneaky way to backload works into salvation. But salvation is by grace through faith in Christ ALONE! (Ephesians 2:8-9, Galatians 2:16, John 3:16, Acts 16:31) Lord-shippers, as they are lovingly called around here, conflate the requirements for salvation with the expectations for discipleship and Christian living/growth. If the doctrine was called "Lordship Christianity" it would be better, provided it does not make works part of salvation!
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WE ACKNOWLEDGE JESUS IS LORD!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!!!!!! We will be true to HIM and HIS teachings... not man's teachings!!
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The GOSPEL!! Jesus is alive! Believe Him today to receive the gift of everlasting life! (John 3:16-18)
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So... let me state once again for the record that Jesus is Lord. We don't make him Lord. He IS Lord. He literally IS LORD. "Lordship Salvation" is not about that. It is a semantical heresy that says that "making Jesus Lord of your life" will earn you salvation. Of course this is rank heresy of the most egregious type. Just because it uses the terms "Lord" and "Jesus" doesn't make it doctrinally correct. Looking closer one sees quite clearly that "Lordship Salvation" teaches salvation BY WORKS. Why? Because it teaches that "making Jesus Lord of your life" = Doing lots of good things, or Bearing fruit, or doing good deeds, or living a holy life. All things that are wonderful, but not required (key word "required") for salvation. "Lordship Salvation" actually teaches "Lifestyle Salvation" because it teaches that one's lifestyle earns (or keeps) salvation. But it doesn't. For every Christian that is a well behaved person, I can show you two non-Christians who are just as decent and well-behaved, lifestyle-wise. Because our lifestyle doesn't save us. Our FAITH (BELIEF) in Christ saves us. Over 200 verses in the Bible teach that we must believe unto salvation.
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The gospel is so simple even a small child can be saved!!
I was about 7 or 8 when I believed Jesus Christ was my savior.
I still got caught up in some really bad things but never stopped believing!
I’m almost 66 now and still believe. I pray that God will direct my steps to the ones who need Jesus! That I would step out in love and in truth with courage ❤ send me, Father❤
I have listened to this amazing man for hours upon hours for decades. Today I discovered what he looked like! Thank you for putting this up!
Glad you enjoyed it
First time that I have seen him also heard him many times on radio.
Same here. God bless
Me too❤
Wow, so many more people have heard him than seen him! I heard him for many years by radio from Africa.
My favorite J Veron: "Someone asked me if I wanted to speak in tongues; I replied I had enough problems holding this one."
What a great answer!
Funny how the heretics who claim you can lose your salvation never seem to lose THEIRS.
I have a friend eat up with self-righteousness, tongues are everything to him. I don't mean to sound like I'm attacking tongues, but every time I heard Billy Graham he was speaking in a tongue, English
All of you that don't believe in spending in tongues don't know your Bible. And have never really experienced God the way He wants you to experience Him. So be careful what you say about the subject because you are standing on the courting edge of blasphemy. It's a gift from God. So reject it if you will but you are truly missing out on the equipment you will need to stand firm in these last days.
@@robertwindham9323 What if God decides not to give a person that gift?
Passed away in 1988 yet his ministry still reaches millions today.
I've rode the bible bus for many years listening to Mr. McGee. He's one of the reasons i gained much faith in Christ. Bless you Mr. McGee. I'll see you in the resurection.
Always nice to have a teachable spirit.
I can listen to this man for hours! His honesty and transparency is so much needed today. Thank you Lord for using him to bring the gospel to so many around the world, even after his dead many years ago.
agreed, Nestor.
I am a sinner through and through but this man I have listened to hundreds of times. His teachings have greatly influenced my life. Jesus how much I thank you for the price you paid for me.
Amen!
To The Old Rugged Cross I cling😢😢
Having said that, we owe it to our LORD and Savior to live our salvation with gratitude, and yes, a (reverent) fear and trembling, for He who saved us is now living within us. That means try our darndest to live a holy life pleasing to Him. Not to earn what has been given freely to us, but to show gratitude and be useful to Him.
Well put JW. You got it.
Well said, you've put it much better than me in the comment a few lines up
Jesus said that apart from me you can do nothing
He keeps using the words” the Lord Jesus Christ”.
Amen! Oh we thank you Lord Jesus
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the LORD Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
That's what i'm trying to understand. What specifically was JVM concerned about?
He was concerned with the teaching that you have to make Jesus Lord of your life which implies that you commit to turn from your sins and follow him and obey him as apart of salvation when it is simply just faith that saves you and nothing more
@@justinkrobel1063 I agree. However, I believe that as part of a person's sanctification, his desire is to serve Christ as Lord more and more. I think that is all. I believe Dr. McGee is a wonderful Bible teacher and I have learned so much from him, however, I believe he may be confused as to Lordship salvation... I think he may be referring to John MacArthur and his specific sermons on making Christ your Lord... but I'm not sure.
@@johnestle2748 Greetings brother in Christ. I have studied extensively, MacArthurs teaching on "Lordship salvation", which is teaching you must make Christ and keep Christ as Lord of your life, in order to be saved, is very different from making Christ Lord of your life.
@@billmartinn9851 Can you show where John MacArthur teaches you must do that "in order to be saved"? I have never seen or heard him say that we are saved by anything other than grace through faith. Genuine salvation is followed by sanctification and obedience to Jesus. We don't work to be saved, we are saved by grace through faith, and works follow that faith as the Holy Spirit indwells us as God's children. We do work for rewards though, but we are saved by grace through faith.
My past thousand fox hole prayers. Prayed with fear, never hurt no one, and I've only prayed for power once in my life. I love my brother and sister.
This is the gospel that the lost needs to hear… not the prosperity gospel that celebrity preachers are preaching today
Spot on!
Listened to him for years on the radio driving my truck all over the country. 🙏
Me to...
Me too, and I didn't know that he'd been dead for 10 years when I started listening.
He was, is and will always be enough! Jesus is the lord of salvation alone, and in Him, alone, we're saved by the gift of Grace! Hallelujah! Beautiful!
And Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father, and all authority has been given unto Him, the Son of David, who sits on the Davidic Throne, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, now and forever. Amen
@@roddumlauf9241 In other words, He is . . .uh . . . well [ahem] Lord!
I love this man! Salt of the world! THANK YOU JESUS!!!
May the Lord bless and keep this wonderful man.
My mom would take me to Sunday School at Church of the Open Door in downtown Los Angeles in the 50’s and early 60’s. After Sunday school we would walk up to the main auditorium to hear Dr. J. Vernon McGee preach. After I hit my teenage years I got into substance abuse and spent many years running and trying to hide from my Saviour. When I quit running I went straight to Dr. McGee’s sermons and Bible study’s. I had a lot of catching up to do! I thank God for giving me a mom who loved God as she did. And for taking her to that church with Dr McGee as it’s pastor.
Beautiful memory Joe. Thanks for sharing that!
As relevant today as it was when I listened to him as a high school age boy the mid-70's. Thank God that my salvation is dependent on His faithfulness and not mine.
It is amazing to me how people have such a deep tendency to add something to the simplicity of faith in Christ. I think it shows that a person is still trusting in self which is the mindset of the flesh. Romans 8:6-14
A person who genuinely puts their faith in Christ is given the gift of repentance and therefore when you accept him as your savior he also becomes your Lord. You will have the desire instilled by the Holy Spirit to follow him.
What do you mean by "the gift of repentance"?
On the gift of repentance, see Acts 5:31, 2 Tim. 2:25. On the gift of faith, see Phil. 1:29
Thanks we'll go with Acts 5:31. If repentance is turning from sins, why does the verse say "to give repentance to Israel AND forgiveness of sins." (emphasis is mine). You would interpret this verse as "to give turning from sins to Israel, and forgiveness of sins." Does that make sense? No. it means "to give a change of mind to Israel, and forgiveness of sins." Keith some people try to make the meat of the word into milk. You're going to have to think a bit deeper about all this, no offense intended.
@EZsalvation You have to turn away from your sin and to God to be saved. You have to repent. Sorry but Vernon McGee is wrong.
@@Davis_Carlton If McGee is wrong, the bible is wrong when it says, "...believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." We, as believers cannot evaluate a person's sincerity regarding salvation. That's why we are exhorted not to judge. And that's the message of the parable of the tares among the wheat in Matt.13:24-30.
When my husband was stationed in Colorado springs in 1979 every afternoon at 12:00 I listened to the bible bus I loved to listen to him speak the word
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9
Keep going. What does verse 10 suggest?
Verse 10 suggests that faith produces fruit, that is good works like repenting through out daily life and obedience to not only the Ten Commandments, but also following what Christ said we are to be doing, yes doing, as his followers or disciples. All the Sai
All the Saints commended in Hebrews 11 were recognized for showing their faith by their lives. Faith and Repentance/Obedience are two sides of the same coin.
@@dennisducote2369 --A coin must have both sides to be considered genuine. A one-sided coin is counterfeit. A 'faith' that takes Jesus only as savior, but not as Lord, is not a saving faith.
@@dennisducote2369 all works of the flesh. You are messed up. No believer is UNDER THE LAW which includes the 10 commandments and Sabbath keeping.
So very very many nights over the last 32+ years working as a LEO out here in SoCal I listened to JVM. Thank you, sir.
Thanks for listening
This is the first time I've ever seen McGee. I used to listen to him quite often on the radio in the 80s. I don't know about Lordship salvation. We do need to have a faith that transforms our heart. This transformation can be in an instant like the thief on the cross.
Faith doesn't transform. The Holy Spirit in us once we trust Christ works in us but we cannot rely on how great our faith is or faithful we are but only I n Jesus Christ and what HE did alone. The problem is ppl give lip service to grace through fsith, not of works but backload works into faith when believing means to trust that what God promised He is able to perform. That is what scripture says. So I fight against preachers messages of John macarthur, Ray comfort and most preachers today bc they muddy up the gospel mixing discipleship and maturity with the gift of eternal lufe confusing so many. God bless you ❤
Absolutely AMEN! You beautiful brother in christ!❤
Jesus is Lord
Amen, and "Lord" means "master", and we must obey the Master. Not TO be saved, but b/c we are!
Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.
I really don't understand this controversy. How can someone be convicted of their sinful lost condition, repent of their sin, put faith in Christ, be born again, become a child of God and STILL not have Jesus as their Lord? I think some are confusing Lordship with sanctifaction. Jesus said, "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven.(MTT7:21-23). This "easy believeism" or "quick prayerism," especially when combined with "unconditional eternal security," is sending millions to hell.
Yes, by all means, continue to lift up Jesus, including His Power to transform lives and continue the good work He begins in us.
How is believing in Christ not easy. Is it hard to believe in Christ once you are convinced he is Christ? No one with a working knowledge of the truth believes we are saved by a prayer alone, by the way.
Very well said. If only more people would listen to the simple and sound wisdom presented here by Pastor J. Vernon McGee. How practical is its application and clear is its instruction! What a blessing :)
Remember this solid teaching from over 40 yrs ago!! Thank you Vernon MC Gee❤
Really? It's good to tell people that it's not necessary to submit to the Lordship of Christ?
Fascinating. So the Bible says again and again that Jesus IS Lord and that in fact, that every kneed shall bow and confess this fact, and you think it's good teaching in suggesting that Jesus ISN'T Lord? Sheesh.
@@stegokitty point out exactly where he suggests that Jesus ISNT Lord…I’ll wait…
@@andrewbrowne5557 To deny that the Lordship of Christ is not necessary for salvation is to deny that Jesus is Lord.
@@stegokitty the Truth is that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone , in Christ alone. Repentance from sin is the RESULT of salvation- not a contributing factor to it…your ‘works’ are availing you NOTHING…PEACE OF CHRIST!
@@stegokitty here’s the rub…Jesus IS Lord! There is no faith in His finished work without His being Lord…but we can’t add anything to our faith in His finished work…
If Jesus is your Savior, thence, He IS your LORD. A "lord" is someone who has power over you, or authority over you. Our Lord and Savior is He who reigns supreme over you and you realize that. That is all. I'm not sure what Brother McGee is talking about in regards to "Lordship Salvation".
Watch this: ua-cam.com/video/-5ZPLqaErmA/v-deo.html
Some people think you can be saved, but not really care how the Bible tells us to live. They think you can do both. Lordship salvation means that you have faith, and your faith results and works. Just like James says.
Thanks for posting this video! 👍I experienced lordship salvation firsthand after becoming a born-again True believer 38 years. Lordship salvation will take away any peace or assurance you have with your walk with God. Eventually keeps you guessing whether you're doing enough for God. Whether you're doing the right works or listening enough to the Spirit, relying enough, trusting enough, sharing the gospel, reading your Bible enough going to church enough ,giving enough, it's made many a good True believer fall away and feel totally defeated , depressed and anxious and like they let God down including myself. It's only by finding the true Hyper Grace of Christ , and by the way ,,the Apostle Paul uses the word Grace in the Greek translation meaning hyper-grace,,,and understanding I am completely secure and him and what He did to save me. He Jesus,said I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish and never means never! Happy Easter!✨🐦
Thanks for this - I actually understand what Lordship salvation is now, and yes it is not right; sounds like slavery to me; we obey because we want to, though it is a good idea to try very hard to so do - He is sovereign
Why is it that God, through Paul, says “shall we continue in sin? May it NEVER be!”? Works don’t save but I think maybe the misconception is that some individuals believe that you just confess Christ and go about your life. Is the Demon in mark 3:11 saved? Where is the line drawn?
@@jay1871 I agree with what you are saying here. People definitely have a wrong understanding up there new spirit and heart in Christ Jesus, if they feel like it's okay to continue to sin Just like The early Corinthian believers, Paul needed to correct them, because they didn't seem to understand they were supposed to walk in the spirit and not in the flesh..
@@jayheinz4624 I think my point in commenting is that listening to a dozen Paul washer sermons in a row can be hurtful if you’re not rightfully understanding that maybe there’s more to it. Same with the clip we’re talking about now. “Lordship salvation” is just the biblical understanding that when a person is truly born again, they change. Not perfection, but like a market “trend” believers are trending towards holiness because of our affections for Christ. It’s the most common misbelief I see in modern Christianity: I said the prayer so I’m safe. This idea is not once in scripture unless you isolate one verse out of context. I know and have pleaded with many so called brothers to repent that one day will hear the words “depart from me, you who practice lawlessness” and they, like the ones in the Book, will truly be surprised.
@@jay1871 I see. 👌
Lordship is embedded in the acknowledgement of who Jesus Christ is; people celebrate being saved and indeed we should. We are called to be disciples and this is where Lordship factors in; works will determine your position in heaven but never will it replace faith in Christ for salvation.
Well put Charles
Lordship salvation doesn't mean you help in your salvation. It means Christ is Lord of your life when you are regenerated and you live accordingly thereafter because He changed you.
That so many people misunderstand this and thinks it's not biblical is very unfortunate. 😒
That’s not at all what lordship salvation is. You misunderstood the issues. Sorry. But don’t worry you’re not alone. Lordship salvation is a doctrine that teaches that you have to make Jesus lord of your life, and then you find out that you must turn from your sins, which means that you are required to obey the law, which means that you’re saved through the law. This is simply unbiblical. Paul teaches very clearly that we’re not saved by the law.
@@ezsalvation3656 No, that is incorrect.
If you have a channel, you have to be more responsible than this, friend, especially if you are Christian.
I am being kind in correcting your error. Truly I am not trying to be condescending, but you and others who believe this are mistaken and teaching false things.
Please be Berean, do your obligatory research, and know the Scriptures. Make sure you know the definitions people are using, and make sure you know correct doctrine before trying to teach others.
All the best in Christ. ❤
Laura. You are deceived. You provided no scripture to back up your assertions. ZERO.
@@ezsalvation3656 No need to get defensive, I'm truly only trying to help a fellow believer who is, I assume, unintentionally misleading people.
So...
Acts 2:38
Acts 17:30
Acts 20:21
Acts 3:19
2 Peter 3:9
Luke 24:47
Acts 11:18
2 Timothy 2:25
Luke 3:8
Acts 26:18-20
This is just a sample.
These verses describe the actual doctrine of lordship salvation which says that...
Salvation is all God's doing and is by grace alone. But TRUE salvation automatically changes the heart and a desire for obedience (Christ being LORD of your life) naturally follows.
Obedience is required of the recipient for true salvation to have ALREADY taken place. (As in we will know them by their fruits.) It's evidence, not yet present before the believer is regenerate.
By its TRUE definition, LS is a biblical doctrine. Paul and James were in complete unity on this teaching. Salvation by faith in Christ. Lordship naturally follows.
I have more scriptures that can help if you're still confused on this. I wish you all the best and hope this was helpful. 😊
Thanks for quoting several verses with the word repent, or repentance in it. And yes, I am confused. Please tell me what you understand "repentance" to mean. I actually can't wait to hear back from you.
I first heard J. Vernon McGee in the mid 1970s and have listen to him off and on till today April 20, 2023. I was saddened by his passing on December 1, 1988 on my 36th birthday. His wonderful sermons and "Through the Bible" program are still aired today. Great man, a good and faithful servant.
Wow, he passed just a few days before I was born on the 5th. I haven't heard much of his preaching but from this clip he seems to talk like a saved man who has a lot of sense. I think I'll give him a listen. God bless.
I think "Lordship Salvation" was a response to "Easy Believism", the belief that a person could make a profession of faith in Jesus and continue to live a sinful lifestyle apart from God. Lordship Salvation argued a person who is truly saved will, with the Holy Spirit's help, seek to avoid sin and follow Jesus' teachings. I think most who promote Lordship Salvation believe in the transforming power of the Gospel. When a person is truly saved, the Holy Spirit indwells the believer and transforms and sanctifies him or her over time. The thief on the cross was saved but did not have time to follow Jesus' teachings. That is an extreme case. I believe the Philippian jailer was saved and avoided sin and followed Paul's teachings about Jesus the rest of his life. The Prophets, Jesus and the Apostles all called people to repent of their sins. The Bible is clear that faith in Jesus is the only way to be saved and legalistic religious practices and human works do not save. God's grace, help and forgiveness is always needed. There are usually extreme views on both sides of an issue that are not helpful.
For fifteen years I've listened too him on the radio and learn a great deal about the Bible life today my life the world Jesus God it help me out a lot have me hope let me know iam not alone in this world and how much Jesus love me so.and finally got a chance too see this wonderful man of God who I know God will say too him well done good and faithful servant.you may enter. Think you dr McGee for so many radio ministry .amen
Dr. J. Vernon McGee: Biblical common sense for many decades. Though in Heaven for 35 years, his Thru The Bible program is heard 'round the world. Praise God! John 3:16-18, Acts 16:31, Ephesians 2:8-9
Thank you for posting this. The best description of all these "Lord! Lord!" preachers is found in Matthew 7:21-23. J. Vernon McGee nailed it.
No salvation without repentance!
When you say repent, you mean turning from sins don't you?
@@ezsalvation3656 Technically, it means to experience a radical change of mind.
That is correct. It has NOTHING to do with turning from sins, obeying the 10 commandments, bearing fruit, etc. If we believe our good deeds can save us, then "repent" (change our mind) and believe on Christ instead, we are saved. You turn from your sins BECAUSE you're saved, not to EARN salvation.
@@ezsalvation3656 -- How can one say he has repented if he does not intend to turn away from his sins? Real repentance is a change of mind that results in change of behavior.
Because you are either talking about salvation, or Christian living. One follows the other. The “turn or burn” crowd get it backwards.
I believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved,,,,,,,,,jim
Let me say this to the whole world.
I believe in Jesus.
Thank you, pastor McGee for reminding us this morning.
"why do you call me Lord and do not what I tell you to do? Depart from me I NEVER KNEW YOU." Repent
Read that section a little closer. And you’ll find out that the ones who Jesus sent away were relying on their works, not belief only. Go ahead and read it again please. Notice it says “we have done many wonderful works.” And Jesus said “I never knew you.” That means they never truly trusted him alone for salvation. Also, repent doesn’t mean turn from your sins. It means to change your mind. To go from trusting works to trust in Christ alone. That’s what true repentance means. Do you need proof that repent doesn’t mean turn from your sins? The Bible says God repented. Did he turn from his sins? Obviously not. He changed his mind. And that’s what we’re supposed to do. Repent and believe. Change your mind and believe.
@@ezsalvation3656 casting out devils and being charitable are good things but not what saves a person. You are trying to connect those things with repentance which is not a work but a commandment from Jesus. Living a godly life and turning from wickedness is proof you have faith in Jesus.
@@ezsalvation3656 If you love a sin and then change your mind on that sin then that means you don't do it anymore. If you still continue to do it then you didn't change your mind on it. Jesus said time and time again to go and sin no more.
Who are you trying to prove it to? God? Think about it. If you are trying to please or impress mankind with you amazing piety, that in and of itself is a sin. God knows you. The only "proof" or "evidence" you need to show your fellow man that you are saved is your confession that you believe 100% in Christ and him alone. We are not saved by works, and trying to show people how holy you are is "boasting" in God's eyes (remember "They have their reward").
He said "sin no more" AFTER they believed. Salvation PRECEDES turning from sin. It isn't the RESULT of turning from sin.
Three decades ago Dave Hunt was addressing a crowd of several hundred in Tacoma. During th Q&A afterward, someone asked, "Are there any teachers out there who are safe to listen to?"
Hunt replied, "I don't see how you could go wrong with J. Vernon McGee."
The applause was deafening.
Amen! While I don't agree with him on every single thing, on the essentials of the faith he is 100% correct as far as i have heard (and that's a lot!). He was my father's favorite teacher.
Dave Hunt was in some ways unreliable, so his recommendation isn't worth much.
@@gregb6469 That's a slur. None of us is perfect in his present state. Should we use that fact, the FACT that we are sinners, to undermine the plain testimony of Christ?
By that reckoning we're still under Law, where every mouth has been stopped, and the whole world guilty before God.
"I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes by the Law, then Christ died for nothing."
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
2 Cor 5:9-10 (KJV)
All glory to God. Amen
Please read the disclaimer in the description. Thank you!
Thank you. I have read the disclaimer. I don't understand, honestly, why it is believed that making Jesus our Lord is work or a deed. Not only is that not true, I don't see how that can even be perceived. Please explain. Thank you.
Please watch this video. ua-cam.com/video/ld7GOH51q48/v-deo.html
Suggesting that Jesus become “Lord” (Sovereign) of one’s life means that I resign as the ultimate authority in my life and install Jesus in His rightful place as Head of my chain of command. If I refuse to acknowledge Jesus as my Superior/Leader/Authority - and remain in primacy of my life, I cannot make a good argument that I “have no other gods before” Him; because, by definition, I am my own final authority.
If you are truly born again, Jesus WILL become “Lord” (Primary) in your life, or your “conversion” is meaningless.
I like Mr McGee, but I find him in error on this point.
Good deeds are the RESULT of (and motivated by) salvation, not the cause of it. MOST people will conclude that their religious deeds, and self-reformation is what gains justification, and lose sight of the fact that it is through Christ ALONE!!! Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where we are commanded to reform our conduct in order to gain (or keep) salvation? Cite chapter and verse please.
A lot of people misunderstand the James 2 passage. It isn’t saying “Faith without works makes you unsaved”. That is NOT what it means. It means “If one’s faith doesn’t produce works for the benefit of God’s kingdom it is useless or worthless.” James is speaking to already saved believers. James is a guidebook for how saved people can live good and productive lives to honor the Lord. It’s not about “how to be saved”. I hope this helps.
And what if a person doesn't immediately produce works? Is there a time table? Should the works be right away or 5 years after conversion? And by the way, how many works are enough to prove salvation? One, two, three? 100 good deeds? Can it be just being super nice? What if he only shows half the fruits of the spirit? Is he saved? What if he's a rude jerk but routinely feeds and clothes poor families? What if he bears all the fruits of the spirit, but has an eye for the ladies? Is he unsaved then? Go ahead and try to quantify your requirement for a works-based salvation. Please. I dare you.
Amen! It's all Jesus! It's all of Him, by Him and for Him and this life we in the flesh, we live by faith in Him who loved us and gave Himself for us! It's His life, living in us! He paid it all and He will always be worthy to be praised!! 🥰🙏
Amen!
"Away from Me I never knew you" is a chilling reminder that salvation shouldn't be one and done approach.
What do you mean by "a one and done approach"? I just want to be sure I understand you.
Absolutely!!! Examine yourself to see if you are in the FAITH (2 Cor 13:5) Don’t rely on a one-time prayer as the end all.
“Christianity is not a ceremony. Christianity is not even the church.
Christianity is not a system.
Christianity is a person. And that person is the Lord Jesus Christ. And that’s Christianity. And nothing else is Christianity.” ♥️
No. that is wrong. Christianity is the belief in JEsus Christ who is our Savior and our mediator.
I agree. I am saved totally by faith in what Jesus did on the cross.
But I want to say this. I was under so much conviction of sin that i wanted no more to do with sin.
Yes I got on my knees and believed in my heart what Jesus did for me and I asked him to come into my life and take over.
I confessed to him that I was a sinner in need of him to save me. Later on when I began to really think about what I had done.
I decided to follow Jesus Unconditionally as my Lord and Savior and let him have full control of my life. At the time it seemed like the right thing to do.
I don't regret doing what I did. This is almost 50 years ago I was 18. All I know is that the next morning when I woke up. I knew Jesus was real in my life. I was different and I didn't have to go back to the life i had been set free from. Unless I wanted to and believe me. I didn't.
Ok. That's wonderful and all, but just to clarify, are you saying that you no longer commit sin?
Edit: I'm quite sure this question will NEVER be answered.
love this man. what an awesome soul. i never knew what he looked like either, thanks for posting. his teaches the truth!!!
I saw your name, I met a woman in 1981 when I was in boot camp with the name Hogue and I haven't met anyone since then
Wow befitting reply, to the Lordship salvation people.
Even in his frail and advanced age, he still had a passion for the true gospel.
When you pray, do you tell Jesus you don’t have to surrender to His Lordship?
How does that go?
No one is saying that. You misunderstood.
This underlining philosophy of make yourself worthy to be saved spits on the grace of God.
Salvation is in Christ and we are never worthy to be saved and we cannot make ourselves worthy to be saved Even on our best day.
Jesus Christ does all the saving and all the keeping by His grace.
Saved by grace through faith in the finished work of the Saviour of the world, the Lord Jesus Christ.
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I think you need to read my input again cuz I'm agreeing with Dr. McGee.
Lordship is to make yourself worthy to be saved. Not happening!!!
Sorry Douglas. It’s been a long day. 😇
I listened to him for years on the radio and always loved his down to earth manner and sound teaching. I have an on-line bible and one of the commentaries is "Through the Bible." I can hear J. Vernon in my head when I read his commentary! 😂
Awesome! Good old JVM. I disagree with him very seldom. May I say, he’s quite doctrinally sound 😁.
Not this doctrine. I hate lordship salvation. He’s Lord whether I believe it or not. Of course I believe He is, but it is insulting to say you have to make Jesus Lord. He is Lord!
AMEN!!! Excellent sermon!! Thank you for uploading!!
Thanks for listening
That’s exactly what Calvinism believes! Lordship Salvation.
I miss his teaching sooooo much. Lord, send us more JVM's.
Salvation is easy because dying on the cross wasn't. Mercy and Grace
Amen!!
Nobody does a better job than Rev. McGee. Love this holy man.
I listened to him at night back in college in the early 90’s. The only one I listened to on the radio.
faith+nothing=salvation, faith+something=nothing ... peace+love>
Do we think we're so powerful that we can make Jesus anything? He Is. He made us, we didnt make Him. Gifts cant be earned, only received and opened
Amen!
I especially liked what Mr. McGee had to say about "commitments". That is one of the things that always bothered me about Billy Graham's preaching, his talking about making a "commitment". Mr. Graham's use of the word commitment seemed to be akin to someone making a New Year's resolution or an alcoholic taking the oath, both of which have failed countless times.
Our commitments fail, the Lord Jesus Christ does not.
The supernatural event of the granting of repentance and faith from God is far different from weak and corrupt human "commitments".
A prayer expressing that you believe the true gospel of Christ: Lord Jesus, I have admitted I'm a sinner being sorry. Therefore, I do not trust in my own works to go to heaven because I realize, being a sinner, I cannot offer the perfect blood sacrifice that you require to pay for sin. Instead, I fully trust, believing in my heart, that your finished work on the cross, your one perfect blood sacrifice; when you bled, suffered and died, in my place, paid for my sins in full, past, present and future ! And I believe that you rose from the dead and that you are God Almighty, God the Son, alive for evermore !!! And I fully trust that you have forgiven me by cleansing me from all sin in your precious blood, which purifies my soul. Thank you Lord Jesus for greatly loving me, for forgiving me, saving me from hell and giving me eternal life and sealing me with the Holy Spirit dwelling within me forever! Rom.3:25,5:8,9,10:9, Rev.1:5, Ephes.1:7,13, 4:30, Heb.10:10-14,19,38,39,I John 5:7,13,20
“Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.” Revelation 22:14
Amen. And what are his commandments? Jesus said we are to believe on him alone (be born again), love one another as Christ loved the church, and love God as you love yourself (Matthew 22:38-40) Those are Jesus’ commandments. It is not talking about the Mosaic law, which he fulfilled.
@@ezsalvation3656 also to forgive others, not look at women lustfully, not get drunk, not fornicate, give money to the poor secretly, etc everything in the sermon on the mount.
You are saying that you believe that’s what is required for salvation? Not transgressing the Law? You actually believe that?
@@ezsalvation3656 “Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.” Revelation 22:14
Take it or leave it. The Lord Jesus said if you hear his commands in the sermon on the mount and don’t do them you’ll be told depart from me I never knew you, you worker of lawlessness. I’ll leave it at that.
No you won’t because that is twisting scripture and taking it out of context. Are you Jewish or Hebrew? I’m going to assume not. You are most likely a gentile like me. The sermon on the mount was specifically for Jews. There are principles we can learn from it OBVIOUSLY. But had Jesus died and resurrected yet? No. So he was showing how difficult (impossible) it is to measure up to God’s standard. As gentiles we were NEVER under or subject to Mosaic law. That law reveals God’s holiness. After Christ’s death and resurrection our sins were paid for. In full! Enter Paul. He is the apostle to the Gentiles (you and I). Read Ephesians 2:8-9. As for the Matthew 7 “Lord Lord” passage, read it again. The rejected ones relied on their works. Not Christ alone. Please open your mind to see the truth.
Jesus said if you love me you will obey my commandments.
If you KNOW Jesus and He knows you, you will acknowledge Him as Lord. If you trust Him, you will love Him and obey Him. Not perfectly, but that will be your desire. If you don't acknowledge Jesus as your Lord, you dont know Him and are not His. It's not complicated.
So Chris, you would say then that you are saved by your lifestyle, and not by imputation of righteousness through the atonement of Christ? Just trying to clarify.
@@ezsalvation3656 100% no, I would not say that. Our righteousness is 100 imputed from Christ and is a gift from God, not from anything found in us or done by us.
When God saves a person there is a change that reflects the reality that a person is a new creation in Christ. We have positionally been made righteous IN Christ and we have been given a new heart, a new nature, that desires to serve God even though we still battle against sin, the flesh and Satan.
However, a person that does not show any fruit, does not acknowledge Jesus is Lord of their lives, is a person that does not know Christ and if they think they are saved they deceive themselves. We are told to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith. And scripture makes clear that good works will be a consequence of legitimate faith in Jesus and the Father. James is clear on this. Faith without works is DEAD. Works don't justify us before God, but rather they are part of what demonstrates that our faith and salvation is real. That is not to say though that we can conclude that anybody doing good works is saved. Jesus said that He will tell the one group that did so many "good things" in His name to depart from Him, for He never knew them. Yet the righteous group that gave food, water, etc. to those in need were considered as having done it to Christ and were welcomed into His kingdom.
See Chris you started off great! But then went off the rails with the "if you're saved you'll do XYZ..." No. You are saved by belief/trust in Christ. PERIOD. Whatever happens next is part of growth, NOT salvation. Lifestyle has NOTHING to do with salvation. Some grow quickly, some grow slow. Some change a lot, some barely (at first). Some people take YEARS to manifest their inner spiritual change. Some, it happens immediately. Some might never show outward signs. You might see a tree in the winter and conclude it is dead. But it isn't dead. In the spring it blossoms and blooms. God knows who is and who isn't his. Do you contend that you must convince an omniscient God that you are truly saved?
@@ezsalvation3656 You totally misconstrued what I said and what the Bible teaches.
We have no intrinsic merit before God of our own accord. We are accepted by God only on account of the righteousness of Christ and His finished work on the cross. Period, end of discussion.
Beyond that, I did not go off the rails. By DEFINITION, it is impossible for a person to NOT manifest a difference over time when they've been born again.
I did not and do not specify a specific criteria for judging any given person or circumstance, that's for God alone to know.
In your zeal to convince everyone that we do not earn or deserve our salvation, you run into error and are likely to lull some into a false sense of security when they remain lost and spiritually dead. Do you think scripture tells us to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith for no reason? Or that in James it says that faith without works is dead? No, but as God says, His word will accomplish the purpose for which He sent it out. Part of that is conviction of sin which leads to repentance and salvation. For faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Anybody that "professes" faith in Christ and remains content to live their lives according to their own will and wisdom, continuing in their sin and rebellion against God with no conviction of their sin and battling said sin shows that they were never reborn and remain spiritually dead.
Read Jesus's parable of the sower. This really isn't that difficult to understand.
And don't be silly, of course we have nothing to prove to God.
As a footnote, those struggling with security of their salvation need to simply rest in God's promise, as a child would their earthly father. Our faith and salvation comes from the finished work of Jesus Christ who bore our sin and shame on the cross having become a curse in our place. And Jesus IS the author and finisher of our faith and will see it to completion. So take it from their and allow God to work in and through you, knowing that there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. Part of the process of our sanctification comes through having our minds renewed through the reading of His word. After Christ's sacrifice on the cross, God's Word is His greatest gift to us. We neglect that and we will unnecessarily suffer and struggle in this life.
UA-cam dropped or is hiding my response. To summarize:
You've misconstrued what I said about what scripture teaches. I did not go off the rails.
It is impossible for a person that's been born again to not show a change reflecting their new nature over the course of time. Whether it's obvious to any given person at a specific point in time or not.
The hymn says it all. “At the cross.”. I often mention the fact of the two others with Jesus. The one thief was close to death but because he acknowledged Jesus right then and there. It was so simple. Shortly thereafter he died with Jesus. Saved! He didn’t live a life of works. We humans love to complicate things it seems.
The Savior who did it all is the Lord Jesus Christ. If your Jesus isn't the Lord Jesus, you have the wrong Jesus. The only Savior who saves is the Lord Jesus. Let's get back to Him.
Amen!!!! X1000
All my righteousness is filthy rags! 😂❤ I trust in Christ alone for my salvation…and He is still saving me…day by day and hour by hour 😮
I was able to download all 66K of his radio messages, and more, by going to his website. I used to love to listen to him. And still do.
In his heart, the thief DID make Jesus Lord.
You’re missing the point. Jesus is ALREADY Lord. Always has been. Always will be. The thief recognized this fact. The thief believed. The thief had no opportunity to live a Holy Life. Yet, through simple belief in Jesus, he was saved from Hell. He was “born again” the moment he believed.
I needed to hear this! God bless McGee’s ministry, it is still teaching us today 😊
Glad it was helpful!
This is excellent truth!
Amen!
How utterly tragic that a teacher like this doesn't understand that believing in Christ & being saved is synonymous with acknowledging Him as Lord. It's an internal work of the Spirit that is in no way an 'addition' to the work of the cross, it IS the work of the cross.
The concept of "making him Lord" = works based salvation. No one is denying that Christ is Lord.
@@ezsalvation3656 Wrong. A convert doesn't 'make' Christ Lord - Christ reveals Himself as Lord & the changed person receives Him as Lord . Salvation is a free gift not something you do for yourself or 'decide' for. There is no 'making him Lord'
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"Believe on the LORD Jesus Christ." Acknowledging Christ as Lord is making Christ Lord.
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@@ezsalvation3656 This is something Arminians and some Calvinist don't understand. Making Christ your Lord isn't works salvation. It's a response from the regeneration working of the Holy Spirit in a person's life. It's proof you've been born again.
It is when the act of "making Christ your Lord" is required for salvation.
How wonderful! Believe in Jesus but pay no attention to how many times Jesus said you cannot be my disciple unless you follow him and his teaching. I love this guy but He's totally wrong about this. Just read John's gospel and mark how many times Jesus made it clear that He must be Lord of all. John MacArthur has it right in his book The Gospel According to Jesus. I love McGee, but he is flat wrong on this issue... according to Jesus Himself. He's bought into a system of theology that let's you ignore the very words of Jesus, the one who saves. You can't claim Jesus and ignore His teaching. Sorry!
You wrote "Believe in Jesus but pay no attention to how many times Jesus said you cannot be my disciple unless you follow him and his teaching" You just compared apples and oranges. If you don't know the difference between salvation (believe) and discipleship (following him), you have much to learn. Remember when Mr. McGee said "Oh how we need to get back to Him!" Does that sound like a man who is vague on the importance of following Christ? You are a Calvinist. Or are leaning that way. Calvinism is wrong. Free Grace is the true gospel.
You’re both brothers in Christ. When you meet in heaven, how silly will this commenting be?
BTW: Calvinists and Arminians have more in common than both think.
I am in no way shape or form an Arminian. I follow "Free Grace". I have found it to be the theology that clings closest to what the Bible actually says. No implying, no reading between the lines, no out of context verses, no isogesis... and by the way, we are brothers, IF we are both saved. If someone is following a different gospel, and a different Jesus, they are NOT my brother at all.
The man on the cross affirmed Jesus as Lord when he declared Jesus' "Kingdom," over which Jesus is Lord! The "rough Phillipian Jailer" was told to "...believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved." In both instances referenced by the speaker, the person in question declares the Lordship of Jesus and thereby affirms the Lordship Salvation as inherent in the very declaration of faith. Even the speaker decries that Christianity is the declaration of the "LORD JESUS CHRIST." With all due respect, Jesus is Lord, something that makes the enemy shutter with fear! Jesus is my Lord and my Savior in whom I trust for my salvation!
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HERESY DENIES LORDSHIP
Have you made Jesus Lord over every part of your life?
Jesus is Lord!
Make Jesus Lord? He IS the Lord. Long before You and I came along.
Believe on the Lord Jesus and thou shalt be saved.
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Romans 14:9 KJV: For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
According to the verse above...Paul clearly believed in Lordship salvation...and so does the Holy Spirit.
No! lordship salvation is a euphemistically named false doctrine, that teachers that you must turn from your sins or live, according to the law to be saved. Obviously, Jesus is Lord no one’s denying that. Lordship salvation is something else.
when I hear this man's voice on the radio I don't change the channel. 'may God richly less you, my beloved'
We are save by faith Alone in Crist Alone impossíble to lose salvation
Amen!
The thief on the cross called Jesus "Lord," so Dr. Magee is immediately wrong right out of the gate. Nobody is advocating for a works salvation, but true saving faith automatically puts Jesus on the throne. There's no "I'll let you save me, but I'm still in control."
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Huge amen, christ is Christianity.
Repent and believe is what the apostles preached over and over again in Acts. It’s a false gospel to tell a person they can continue in their lifestyle of sin and be saved at the same time. This is the new idea that we should be calling out as false teaching.
Sorry friend, but that's not at all what we are saying. You misunderstood. See, the word "Repent" has been wrongly re-defined and distorted by modern day pharisees. I don't know ANY true believer in Christ who teaches, or believes that we can "continue in a lifestyle of sin". That is simply not true. Quite the opposite. We willingly and gladly turn from sin after salvation, being motivated by gratitude and joy, not the fear of Hell.
It amazes me at the number of people that thinks God requires us to do something to help Jesus save us, or put another way they don't believe Jesus can save us on his own!
Me too. Those people are deceived. So sad.
GRACE IS THE ONLY WAY.
❤JESUS CHRIST❤
IS GRACE.
He wants us to Rest In Him.
EVERYTHING WE NEED IS
FOUND IN JESUS.
If we have placed our trust/faith in what Jesus did for us on that cross, He has promised to GIVE us His Life!
Eternal Life!
We are imputed/gifted with ALL we need to be right with God.
To have Peace with God.
From faith to faith.
Jesus gets all the Glory.
We get All of Him.
He is our Peace.
For God so Loved the world that He gave His ONLY begotten Son that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES in Him should not perish but HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. John 3:16.
BELIEVE on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.
❤God is Love❤
❤Jesus is God❤
Blessings and kindest regards David from Australia.
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Dr. McGee refutes Lordship salvation yet he details how he made Jesus the Lord of his life. Believing on the Lord Jesus is to make Him your Lord! Love Dr McGee. He was just confused on this issue.
He isn’t confused. Lordship salvation is a euphemistically named false doctrine that teaches turning from sins or law keeping for salvation. That’s not how you saved.
@@ezsalvation3656 - Dr. McGee said that lordship is not needed for salvation and then intensely describes how he made Jesus lord of his life. That is confused.
You know that false believers will say to Jesus on that day “Lord, Lord” Even unbelievers know that Jesus must be Lord. If He is not your Lord, he is not your savior”.
Peace
Bob read Matthew 7 again. Those people relied on works. Not faith.
One of my all time favorite sermons!
Wow. Never heard him; this is good clip.
This is a misrepresentation. There may be people saying that Christians need to “make Jesus lord“ while others are saying that “Jesus is Lord”.
You can’t just believe in keep living as if you don’t have a master, a king, a lord over you.
He never taught that. You can't be saved by works is his point.
J. Vernon McGee, like many people, did not understand what Lordship salvation is. Lordship salvation is not a new concept but has been promoted from day 1. What is clear to me is that those who reject lordship salvation has been taught a perverted view of it and are thus rejecting a false view of lordship.
Tell us what it is Ron.
@@ezsalvation3656 Look at what Jesus said: "You are my friend IF you OBEY my commands." This does not mean that He will reject us if we mess up once because what we are also told is that "If we (believers) confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Lordship salvation is conforming yourself to the image of christ more and more as you go on in your christian life. It is putting away the world more and more as you live. It is making Jesus Lord of your life in all areas conforming every aspect of your life to Christ. It is not about being sinlessly perfect. It also does not mean that you aren't saved if everything about you isn't turned over to him immediately after you first confess christ. However, if a person is not striving to be like christ then they will be rejected when Jesus returns. Look at what Paul says: "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, who WALK not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." He is talking about how people are living their life..."walk". If you read Matthew 24 you will see that Jesus says - Jesus is saying this - that when he returns he is going to judge peopler for eternal life or eternal judgement based on what they DO. Also, James plainly tells us that a confession of faith is worthless and will not save if you don't have deeds to go with it.
The ironic thing is you actually agree with me, but you misunderstood my point. Want proof? You wrote: "It also does not mean that you aren't saved if everything about you isn't turned over to him immediately after you first confess Christ." Exactly! I agree 100%. But that is what Lordship Salvation teaches. That is precisely why I reject it. It backloads works into salvation saying you're saved by faith, BUT if you are not 100% all about Jesus 24/7 everyday, and not practicing any sin, then you are a false convert. This is just wrong.
@@ezsalvation3656 What you wrote is a common false idea people who reject Lordship salvation have about what Lordship salvation people believe, they don't believe this...including MacArthur. You sound like someone who is painting a caricature of Lordship people primarily based on either what you have been told about them or misunderstand about what they've said. They don't backload works onto salvation and none of them believe in any form of sinless perfection. Everyone I've watched and read all believe that believers will still sin but will repent and conform all aspects of their life to the image of Christ as they grow in maturity....sanctification. And just as James says, there will be works in the believers life that justifies your faith. Also, I've never heard anyone say that you have to be 100% about Christ 24/7. The idea is that BECAUSE you have the Holy Spirit you will change the way you think and act more and more as you mature...lest you fall away.
A big AMEN! I love J. Vernon McGee.
Making Jesus Lord is infinitely better, but you’re right. It’s not necessary for salvation.
As long as “Making him lord” means trusting him as savior, or doing good works for HIS glory. What it can’t mean is if you don’t act like a Christian you aren’t one. THAT is heretical.
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Glad you enjoyed it
No clue what he’s going on about?
Luke 6:46 (LSB) “Now why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
If some says they believe and continues in sin, they don’t believe. That’s no new gospel.
So YOU have stopped sinning? Actually?
In John 14:23 Jesus said, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word". The thief on the cross was dying and therefore could not make Jesus his Lord. Jesus saved him because he believed. All it takes is belief in God and you will be saved. To live this life, pleasing to God, he will need to be your Lord.
@@chrisanok9283 Many call him Lord but do not obey Him. Yes he is Lord but Lord also implies obedience. You cannot prove yourself if you die.
““Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?”
Luke 6:46 NIV