I have loved this music for a very long time. The amount of pleasure that Stravinsky has given me in 70 years of listening is beyond measure. This mass is marvelous because it masterfully mixes the old with the new. The uniqueness of the ensemble is part of its magic.
La coda du sanctus est absolument incroyable. La messe en général me donne une impression de clarté, les dissonances sont franches, luminosité, élévation. Tant de qualités et la je ne parle pas encore de la justesse de la forme musicale et du texte. L'aspect spirituel par dessus le marché!? c'en est presque trop beau pour être vrai.
The intonation at the opening in the orchestra is suspect. And no children in the chorus. I agree with one of the comments, that Stravinsky discouraged vocal vibrato in this work - and there is too much vibrato in the solo parts.
Very true. Even though i know its hard to find a really good childrens chorus for a work like this, it would've helped with the vibrato i think. Children have that light purity of sound. Its also a shame to have a conductor pick a piece to perform and not be able to prepare it in time. As ive been told by music educators in the past, if you cant pull a piece off its because of your ability as a conductor.
0:35 Kyrie Kyrie eleison, Christe eleison, Kyrie eleison. Lord, have mercy upon us, Christ have mercy upon us, Lord, have mercy upon us 3:16 Gloria Gloria in excelsis Deo, et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis. Laudamus te, benedicimus te, adoramus te, glorificamus te. Glory be to God on high, and peace on earth to men of good will. We praise Thee, we bless Thee, we adore Thee, we glorify Thee Gratias agimus tibi propter magnam gloriam tuam. Domine Deus, Rex cælestis, Deus Pater omnipotens, Domine, Fili unigenite, Jesu Christe. Domine Deus. Agnus Dei. Filius Patris. we give Thee thanks for Thy great glory. Lord God, heavenly King, God, the Father Almighty. Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son, Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father, Qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis; suscipe deprecationem nostram. Qui sedes ad dexteram Patris, miserere nobis. Thou, who takest away the sins of the world, have mercy upon us; receive our prayer. O Thou, who sittest at the right hand of the Father, have mercy on us. Quoniam tu solus sanctus, tu solus Dominus, tu solus altissimus, Jesu Christe, cum Sancto Spiritu in gloria Dei Patris. Amen. For Thou alone art holy, Thou alone art Lord, Thou alone art most high, Jesus Christ. Together with the Holy Ghost, in the glory of God the Father. Amen. 6:56 Credo Credo in unum Deum, patrem omnipotentem, factorem cæli et terræ visibilium omnium et invisibilium. I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. Credo in unum Dominum Jesum Christum, Filium Dei unigenitum; et ex Patre natum ante omnia sæcula. Deum de Deo, Lumen de Lumine: Deum verum de Deo vero; I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God; and born of the Father before all ages. God of Gods, Light of Light, true God of true God; Genitum, non factum; consubstantialem Patri, per quem omnia facta sunt; Qui propter nos homines, et propter nostram salutem, descendit de cælis, begotten, not made; consubstantial with the Father, by Whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, Et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria Virgine, et homo factus est. Crucifixus etiam pro nobis; sub Pontio Pilato passus et sepultus est, Et resurrexit tertia die, secundum Scripturas. and became incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man. He was crucified also for us; suffered under Pontius Pilate and was buried, And the third day He arose again according to the Scriptures. Et ascendit in cælum, sedet ad dexteram Patris. Et iterum venturus est cum gloria judicare vivos et mortuos; Cujus regni non erit finis. And ascended into heaven, and sitteth at the right hand of the Father. And He is to come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Of whose kingdom there shall be no end. Credo in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum et vivificantem, qui ex Patre Filioque procedit; qui cum Patre et Filio simul adoratur et conglorificatur; qui locutus est per prophetas. I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, Who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; Who, together with the Father and the Son, is adored and glorified; Who spoke by the prophets. Credo in unam sanctam Catholicam et Apostolicam Ecclesiam. Confiteor unum Baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. Et expecto resurrectionem mortuorum, et vitam venturi sæculi. Amen. I believe in one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. I confess one baptism for the remission of sins. And I expect the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen. 10:51 Sanctus Sanctus Dominus Deus Sabaoth. Pleni sunt cæli et terra gloria tua. Osanna in excelsis. Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis. Holy, holy, holy Lord God of Sabaoth. Heaven and earth are full of Thy Glory Hosanna in the highest. Blessed is he who cometh in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest. 14:27 Agnus Dei Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis. Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, dona nobis pacem. Lamb of God, that takest away the sins of the world, have mercy upon us. Lamb of God, that takest away the sins of the world, grant us peace.
Wonderfully accurate, lovely sound among the singers and winds. Conductor's style is too limp and rounded for Stravinsky. About the piece: the inclusion of 3 trombones in a group of only 10 wind instruments is strange and at times makes it sound unbalanced.
+Robert Wilks It's not too limp and rounded, but just congruent with the spirit of sacred music, that is not made to indulges to the passions of wordly music, but to express the contemplation of God. Not falling in the ingenuous temptation of weighing down the music only because it's Stravinsky is a merit.
+Robert Wilks Agree about the over-smooth beats, should be crisper. As to the 3 trombones, I'd point out that having a trio of them is a custom going WAY back, as witness Mozart's scoring of the Requiem and the trombones heard at the appearance of the Commendatore (supernatural element) in Don Giovanni. Older precursors to today's trombones were in church use all the way back to the Renaissance, and it actually took a while for them to catch on as instruments usable in secular music. The early instruments were often used to double choral altos, tenors and basses, and only their modern versions are loud and blatty.
Such a poor performance of a great work! The brass is all over the place, and lack the punch that is necessary for Stravinsky. The choir is ok but doesn't have (again) that punch that comes from feeling the music. I've listened to a lot of French recordings of religious music lately and I just don't think they get the ardour that is necessary to perform it properly. There's no spirit in it.
sorry to say, it's quite badly played. It feels sloppy, not precise. The horizontal workings of the music should be felt as they intertwine, but also the verticality ... the attacks, the chords, the careful voicings.
Ganz im Gegenteil : ) Stravinsky zeigt uns das wahre Gesicht der Religion, indem er seine Kunst nie für Kirchenmumpitz oder für politische Propaganda hergibt, sondern den reinen Geist des Christentums aus der Bibel herauszieht. 'Nur in der Musik kann man Gott wirklich loben, und keinsefalls in der Kirchen!' , hat er selbst einmal gesagt.
Completely limp performance of this great piece. I don't know if they are entirely professional, but if this ensemble is, then either they were having an off day or maybe rehearsals were pressed for time. But there is no pulse anywhere. This sounds lifeless, flat and dreary. Stravinsky wanted this piece to be austere, but not lifeless.
Yes, they needed other wind, brass players. I conducted this piece a long time ago, for a priest's first Mass, and all the wind/brass players were students of the first-chair players of The Cleveland Orchestra. Those young players played a hell of a lot better than this.
When they are playing Ligeti, I bite on my fingernails! But the Stravinsky mass is so difficult because of this reduction. And it´s one of my favourite pieces, so I´m not really fair....
I have loved this music for a very long time. The amount of pleasure that Stravinsky has given me in 70 years of listening is beyond measure. This mass is marvelous because it masterfully mixes the old with the new. The uniqueness of the ensemble is part of its magic.
Un immense chef d'œuvre, très bien interprété. Stravinsky est à l'aise dans l'expression du sublime.
I love to listen this music!
Thank you so much to post it!!
This was absolutely exquisite. Thank you so much for posting it.
Gorgeous. Especially the two ladies.
La coda du sanctus est absolument incroyable. La messe en général me donne une impression de clarté, les dissonances sont franches, luminosité, élévation. Tant de qualités et la je ne parle pas encore de la justesse de la forme musicale et du texte. L'aspect spirituel par dessus le marché!? c'en est presque trop beau pour être vrai.
(00:35) 01 Kyrie
(03:16) 02 Gloria
(06:56) 03 Credo
(10:51) 04 Sanctus
(14:27) 05 Agnus Dei
The intonation at the opening in the orchestra is suspect. And no children in the chorus. I agree with one of the comments, that Stravinsky discouraged vocal vibrato in this work - and there is too much vibrato in the solo parts.
Very true. Even though i know its hard to find a really good childrens chorus for a work like this, it would've helped with the vibrato i think. Children have that light purity of sound. Its also a shame to have a conductor pick a piece to perform and not be able to prepare it in time. As ive been told by music educators in the past, if you cant pull a piece off its because of your ability as a conductor.
0:35 Kyrie
Kyrie eleison, Christe eleison, Kyrie eleison.
Lord, have mercy upon us, Christ have mercy upon us,
Lord, have mercy upon us
3:16 Gloria
Gloria in excelsis Deo,
et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis.
Laudamus te, benedicimus te,
adoramus te, glorificamus te.
Glory be to God on high,
and peace on earth to men of good will.
We praise Thee, we bless Thee,
we adore Thee, we glorify Thee
Gratias agimus tibi propter magnam gloriam tuam.
Domine Deus, Rex cælestis,
Deus Pater omnipotens,
Domine, Fili unigenite, Jesu Christe.
Domine Deus. Agnus Dei. Filius Patris.
we give Thee thanks for Thy great glory.
Lord God, heavenly King,
God, the Father Almighty.
Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son,
Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father,
Qui tollis peccata mundi,
miserere nobis; suscipe deprecationem nostram.
Qui sedes ad dexteram Patris, miserere nobis.
Thou, who takest away the sins of the world,
have mercy upon us; receive our prayer.
O Thou, who sittest at the right hand of the Father,
have mercy on us.
Quoniam tu solus sanctus, tu solus Dominus,
tu solus altissimus, Jesu Christe,
cum Sancto Spiritu
in gloria Dei Patris. Amen.
For Thou alone art holy, Thou alone art Lord,
Thou alone art most high, Jesus Christ.
Together with the Holy Ghost,
in the glory of God the Father. Amen.
6:56 Credo
Credo in unum Deum,
patrem omnipotentem,
factorem cæli et terræ
visibilium omnium et invisibilium.
I believe in one God,
the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
Credo in unum Dominum Jesum Christum,
Filium Dei unigenitum;
et ex Patre natum ante omnia sæcula.
Deum de Deo, Lumen de Lumine:
Deum verum de Deo vero;
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only-begotten Son of God;
and born of the Father before all ages.
God of Gods, Light of Light,
true God of true God;
Genitum, non factum;
consubstantialem Patri,
per quem omnia facta sunt;
Qui propter nos homines,
et propter nostram salutem,
descendit de cælis,
begotten, not made;
consubstantial with the Father,
by Whom all things were made;
Who for us men
and for our salvation,
came down from heaven,
Et incarnatus est de Spiritu Sancto ex Maria Virgine,
et homo factus est.
Crucifixus etiam pro nobis;
sub Pontio Pilato passus et sepultus est,
Et resurrexit tertia die, secundum Scripturas.
and became incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the
Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
He was crucified also for us;
suffered under Pontius Pilate and was buried,
And the third day He arose again according to
the Scriptures.
Et ascendit in cælum,
sedet ad dexteram Patris.
Et iterum venturus est cum gloria
judicare vivos et mortuos;
Cujus regni non erit finis.
And ascended into heaven,
and sitteth at the right hand of the Father.
And He is to come again, with glory,
to judge both the living and the dead;
Of whose kingdom there shall be no end.
Credo in Spiritum Sanctum,
Dominum et vivificantem,
qui ex Patre Filioque procedit;
qui cum Patre et Filio simul
adoratur et conglorificatur;
qui locutus est per prophetas.
I believe in the Holy Ghost,
the Lord and Giver of life,
Who proceedeth from the Father and the Son;
Who, together with the Father and the Son,
is adored and glorified;
Who spoke by the prophets.
Credo in unam sanctam Catholicam et
Apostolicam Ecclesiam.
Confiteor unum Baptisma in remissionem
peccatorum.
Et expecto resurrectionem mortuorum,
et vitam venturi sæculi. Amen.
I believe in one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
I confess one baptism for the remission of sins.
And I expect the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
10:51 Sanctus
Sanctus Dominus Deus Sabaoth.
Pleni sunt cæli et terra gloria tua.
Osanna in excelsis.
Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini.
Osanna in excelsis.
Holy, holy, holy Lord God of Sabaoth.
Heaven and earth are full of Thy Glory
Hosanna in the highest.
Blessed is he who cometh in the name of the Lord.
Hosanna in the highest.
14:27 Agnus Dei
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi,
miserere nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi,
dona nobis pacem.
Lamb of God, that takest away the sins of the world,
have mercy upon us.
Lamb of God, that takest away the sins of the world,
grant us peace.
Interesante, lástima que interprete como un concierto y ya no en una misa.
Where are the children?
Lol I used to sing it as a treble at Christ Church Oxford multiple times a year. Well trained trebles can cope with it fine.
IF YOU SEE WITH ATENTION, ARE NOT CHILDREN, ARE CHORUS OF LADIES AND MEN FRON STUTTGART.-
The composer discouraged vocal vibrato in this work.
In der Partitur steht nirgends etwas von Piccolo-Trompete...
0:56 les 3 pourraient être des frères!
Credo is WAY TOO FAST!
Wonderfully accurate, lovely sound among the singers and winds. Conductor's style is too limp and rounded for Stravinsky. About the piece: the inclusion of 3 trombones in a group of only 10 wind instruments is strange and at times makes it sound unbalanced.
+Robert Wilks It's not too limp and rounded, but just congruent with the spirit of sacred music, that is not made to indulges to the passions of wordly music, but to express the contemplation of God. Not falling in the ingenuous temptation of weighing down the music only because it's Stravinsky is a merit.
+Robert Wilks Agree about the over-smooth beats, should be crisper. As to the 3 trombones, I'd point out that having a trio of them is a custom going WAY back, as witness Mozart's scoring of the Requiem and the trombones heard at the appearance of the Commendatore (supernatural element) in Don Giovanni. Older precursors to today's trombones were in church use all the way back to the Renaissance, and it actually took a while for them to catch on as instruments usable in secular music. The early instruments were often used to double choral altos, tenors and basses, and only their modern versions are loud and blatty.
Strangely IN-accurate, what occurs from :55 for a few instants. Pickup a score to see (hear) what your ears have overlooked (heard).
Such a poor performance of a great work! The brass is all over the place, and lack the punch that is necessary for Stravinsky. The choir is ok but doesn't have (again) that punch that comes from feeling the music. I've listened to a lot of French recordings of religious music lately and I just don't think they get the ardour that is necessary to perform it properly. There's no spirit in it.
The instrumentalists in general are really off in this performance. Tuning, entrances, rhythm, fundamentals, just badly-played across the board.
sorry to say, it's quite badly played. It feels sloppy, not precise. The horizontal workings of the music should be felt as they intertwine, but also the verticality ... the attacks, the chords, the careful voicings.
Stravinsky sollte seine Kunst nicht für Kirchenmumpitz hergeben.
Ganz im Gegenteil : ) Stravinsky zeigt uns das wahre Gesicht der Religion, indem er seine Kunst nie für Kirchenmumpitz oder für politische Propaganda hergibt, sondern den reinen Geist des Christentums aus der Bibel herauszieht. 'Nur in der Musik kann man Gott wirklich loben, und keinsefalls in der Kirchen!' , hat er selbst einmal gesagt.
Completely limp performance of this great piece. I don't know if they are entirely professional, but if this ensemble is, then either they were having an off day or maybe rehearsals were pressed for time. But there is no pulse anywhere. This sounds lifeless, flat and dreary. Stravinsky wanted this piece to be austere, but not lifeless.
nothing too accurate as what transpires from :55 for a few instants.
Yes, they needed other wind, brass players. I conducted this piece a long time ago, for a priest's first Mass, and all the wind/brass players were students of the first-chair players of The Cleveland Orchestra. Those young players played a hell of a lot better than this.
Not really good, lack of tension. Superficial.
they're french.
xD
TT: why do you not offer a preferred alternative....what are you comparing it to, please? 50 cent or taylor swift?
I like the Bernstein recording;)
When they are playing Ligeti, I bite on my fingernails! But the Stravinsky mass is so difficult because of this reduction. And it´s one of my favourite pieces, so I´m not really fair....
@@Ramir_Almeida You're wrong: is Benjamin french? The responsability's his.
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