What does Genesis tell us about Adam and Eve? (Aquinas 101)
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What does Genesis tell us about Adam and Eve? Is this text meant to transmit to us a scientific or precise historical account of creation or of human origins? In this episode of Aquinas 101: Science and Faith, join Fr. Dominic Legge, O.P., a Dominican friar from the Province of St. Joseph, as he presents what Genesis tells us about Adam and Eve.
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Imagine if Genesis presents the account of creation literally, like "13.8 billion years ago, God started the visible universe,...", and then there will be Psalms that read, "You are our God, who created the universe 13.8 billion years ago...", well that wouldn't be very inspiring or contemplating for the soul.
Not only that, but nobody can comprehend 13.8 billion years. These stories had to be carried down orally as well.
No one would live long enough to read chapter one, lol.
The Cosmos had no beginning, it always was.
God had a beginning when Mankind invented Him.
God is a male.
@James, any source(s) for this fictional claim?
@@JamesRichardWiley 🤣🤣people like you always push God to the corner and energy,cosmos,universe as infinite rather than God.
nice trick but its old and aready refuted many times, come to church and have a taste of reality.
As always, an excellent presentation. I grew up in the Missionary Baptist church where the Bible (the KJV, 1611 edition, of course!) was to be taken literally. I am incredibly grateful for the church I grew up in. It nurtured my faith and taught me the Bible. But I am even more grateful for my Catholic faith that is bringing my childhood faith to maturity and perfection through ministries such as yours. God bless you.
Faith based belief is a problem for me. I prefer testable evidence that is reality based.
@@JamesRichardWiley That is an interesting point. I do not see faith as something untestable, as if it was something we have to take on blindly, but instead as very rational and intellectually grounded. But it is not going to be testable always under scientific criteria because it is a different kind of knowledge. But if faith is true it should remain in harmony with other forms of truth such scientific truth.
@@JamesRichardWiley Empiricism and faith are complimentary lenses. Empiricism uses faith (in the sensor and methodology) to detect and describe the sensible. Faith uses empiricism to detect and describe the insensible.
@@JamesRichardWiley
There is no sufficient evidence for the existence of the external world outside your mind or that the future will be like the past. At some point, you have to have some faith. You are also not really justified in making generalizations from particular observations, even though science constantly does that. It has faith that the universe had, has, and will have some order. Whether there is God or not, we cannot rely on reason and evidence alone.
Thank you so much for refreshing our memory....and learned additional information....God bless you abundantly Fr.Dominic Legge
Thank you, Fr. Legge, for your efforts in all of these videos. You mentioned at the beginning of your video the differences between Genesis 1 & 2 and proposed various sources for each chapter that were later redacted. Are you aware of the developments in recent decades regarding the documentary hypothesis?
In Europe, Israel, and in the United States there has been a fairly widespread critique of the documentary hypothesis and particularly a rejection of the distinction between J & E as sources. There has also been important evidence put forth that shows the antiquity and priority of P material over D material. For important recent articles on this regard, see Paradigm Change in Pentateuchal Research and Exploring the Composition of the Pentateuch with important contributions from Catholic Biblical scholar John Bergsma and Jewish scholar Joshua Berman. You might also look at the book Empirical Models Challenging Biblical Criticism published by the Society of Biblical Literature. Perhaps the most important book is the The Formation of the Pentateuch published by Mohr Siebeck. This book draws from a symposium in Israel in 2013 that met to discuss the composition of the Pentateuch between scholars from Europe, Israel, and North America. The conference called attention to the significant differences in approaches and sought to obtain some common ground. These are just a few resources and some of them (especially the last one) are very expensive.
However, one book that is essential for a Catholic theologian speaking on these issues is Bergsma and Pitre's A Catholic Introduction to the Bible: The Old Testament. They both note the backdrop in Europe for rejecting Wellhausen's account of JEDP (Rendtorff was extremely important in this regard). They also account for the differences in Genesis 1 & 2 as starting with a broad focus (Genesis 1) and zooming in (Genesis 2). There is really no need for explaining the differences in terms of disparate sources (and there is good reason to question the traditional framing of the sources by Wellhausen). After all, a single author can take both a broad angle and a narrow angle in accounting for something. Perhaps future redacted versions of this video might incorporate these sources, especially Catholic sources like Bergsma and Pitre (B & P sources).
Awesome comment, thank you. Great to see people being aware of these new developments. Thank you also for the book recommendations. God bless!
Genesis 1 was the story of God's failure and His retaliation for his own mistake.
@@JamesRichardWiley That is a fairly hostile reading of the text. Do you read all ancient texts unsympathetically or only Jewish and Christian ones? If only Jewish and Christian ones, what do you think is the source of your hostility? Perhaps something for you and your shrink to work through.
Hello. My apologies for my seemingly strange logic. In the video, you describe a spiritual soul as one having a mind with a capacity to know and to love. Looking at dogs and other animals in nature, it is difficult to understand how they love and mourn the loss of their little ones. Same goes for elephants as I have seen in documentaries.
Given these traits, that are potentially a result of higher intelligence and the development of social structures, don’t you think it is rather a more refined form of such behavior that was infused by God into man through Adam? Along with greater capacities for communication, and even the ability to have control over his instincts - something that would be foreign to any animal, because my guess is that they are mostly reactive beings? Better said, what if man was allowed a greater freedom over himself amongst all creation because of these higher capacities and their integration? Maybe that way man is the only one equipped to experience God?
You will probably agree that sometimes animals behave in more humane ways than humans. They display loyalty and will even go to such lengths as to self-sacrifice, something that Jesus explained to be the greatest form of love for man.
I’d be grateful if you could comment / correct my thinking. May God bless you in your work.
There is something profoundly disturbing with the notion that children who are not to blame for their ancestors deeds have to bear the dire consequence of being flawed no matter how hard they would even try to get rid of their flaws. And in my opinion the church has never been able to give an answer to this problem which is truly satisfying. In such cases the church has always resorted to say that these are mysteries.
I guess reality is disturbing and we don’t have to like something for it to be true. This sort of thing seems to happen all the time as children inherit the physical, psychological, material and spiritual consequences of our parents’ actions and characters.
I agree! This is something I've always thought about that I've never gotten a satisfactory reply to
Whenever you leave out critical details in a story it becomes a mystery.
When you locate the missing details the mystery is "solved".
Religious players has mastered this game.
Also why does everything on earth kill each other.
Fr., God said 'Let 'US' make man in 'OUR' Image'. What did He mean by this?
Jesus is in a certain sense God's image. God shaped humans providentially to accomodate for the Incarnation.
I'm not sure why the plural pronouns are used, maybe it's a further indication that this passage is referencing the incarnation and therefore the Trinity. I know that in Latin you use plural pronouns to refer to yourself to sound regal and important, maybe that's what going on?
@@tafazzi-on-discord this is also what I was taught: that it can alluding to the Trinity or the royal "we."
This maybe up for debate with other Catholics. However from my research early Judaism hadn’t really perfected being monotheist towards God yet.
That the earliest Jewish people saw God as King supreme of all the minor Gods and later God would work through the prophets and the law that he was the ONLY deity out there.
It is believed from this theory that Genesis is so ancient it harkens back to these other Gods.
@@kathymark7356 I’ve heard that theory before to. However that doesn’t make any sense if you are viewing this from the Jewish angle. It would also make Jesus more expected as people could suppose something similar to the trinity. I don’t think it’s talking about the trinity.
@@Peter-gg3uz At any rate, Genesis isn't referring to multiple 'gods' in the pagan sense. The concept of the Trinity is simply underdeveloped. Polytheism is the view of God as the highest order of being within nature itself.
And all this shepherds would understand and believe something they could not understand. Having no idea about modern science we know nowadays.
Shepherds building smartphones that provide unlimited knowledge
and stopping a pandemic with prayers.
Let's see what Genesis actually tells us about Adam and Eve and compare it to what is said and implied in this video.
*Genesis 1:26 to 5:5 according to holy Moses*
God creates man in His image on the sixth day of Creation. He forms him from the slime of the Earth, and breathes into him the breath of life. He places him in a paradise of pleasure, warns him not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, calls him Adam, casts a deep sleep upon him, takes a rib from his side and fills up flesh for it, and builds the rib into a woman. The serpent casts doubt on God's word and tempts the woman to eat the forbidden fruit. She eats of it, and tempts her husband Adam, who eats of it. They perceive that they are naked and make clothes from fig leaves. They hide from God out of shame, and God curses Adam and his wife with future death, though promising a saviour. Adam calls his wife Eve. God casts them from the paradise of pleasure. Eve conceives and brings forth sons called Cain and Abel. Cain kills Abel out of envy, Cain is cursed, and Eve conceives another son called Seth when Adam is 130 years old. Adam and Eve have many more sons and daughters until Adam passes away 800 years later at the age of 930. Adam's son Seth begets Enos when he is 105 years of age, and dies at the age of 912. Around 700 years after Adam's death, Noah's flood destroys every person on Earth except the eight people on the Ark, from whom all human beings descend who are alive today.
*'Genesis' according to the 'Thomistic Institute'*
God causes or allows elementary particles to coalesce and evolve into humanoid beings over billions of years of violence, death and suffering, which doesn't matter because they were soulless. At some unknown point in time, God creates and places some actual human beings with immortal rational souls into this awful situation, which He will later allow His people to depict as a 'harmonious garden', although evolutionists will say it wasn't.
It is unclear whether what are called our 'first parents' refer to individual human beings called Adam and Eve, or some undefined group of people over some undefined amount of time. They are possibly the offspring of the non-rational humanoids, and can possibly interbreed with them. God requires obedience to certain rules from these new beings, which He hadn't required from their superficially indistinguishable non-human predecessors, whose non-human humanoid offspring have possibly endured alongside real human beings to this day. He grants them some kind of protection from death and suffering, contradicting mainstream evolutionists, and they lose it when they immediately or eventually break a rule implied to concern the indissolubility of marriage. The ages, names, relationships and deeds of the first human beings at least until Abraham are probably made up, and Noah's flood is probably a myth, either based on pagan mythology or exaggerating some local flood.
God cannot or will not tell His people what actually happened during the creation of the universe or in early sacred history, but He will inspire them to believe and preach completely false details for thousands of years. Even the only-begotten Son of God, who is the Truth, will confirm them in their ignorance when He will pretend to believe in the literal truth of Genesis, but fortunately the deists and atheists will finally save them from it.
It is not necessary to share any alleged scientific evidence for the secularists' and modernists' origins myth, as there is no reason whatsoever to doubt their good intentions. The traditional Catholic side of the story must not be allowed to be heard, and must be portrayed as embarrassingly unsophisticated.
There are certain materialistic or emergentist notions of the person that claim all of us stems bottoms up from the micro physical level, even consciousness. Timothy O’Connor for instance is a contemporary philosopher who thinks that there can be a bottoms up account from the micro physical level for agent causation. He really is misguided, in my view.
Computer were built in layers with each layer having greater capability.
The ability of the human brain to process information is dependent on the number of functioning neurons
Were Adam and Eve always adult? They never were children?
What's the idea behind camera shots where the speaker is looking into another camera? It's a silly, off-putting gimmick.
Okay…
Leytergus.
I was a native of Arabia and lived before the time of Abraham, the Jewish patriarch. I come to you tonight to tell you that before the Jewish Testament was written, I had written a book containing a description of creation and of the fall of man, and that the book of Genesis was copied after my writings, which were founded on traditions older than were the description of Genesis.
These descriptions of the creation of the world were not the works of men inspired by the angels or by any other instrumentalities of God, but were the results of the imaginations of the minds of men who lived long before I lived, and who left only tradition of their writings or teachings. I say all this to show you that the world has existed for many thousands of years longer than the account of its creation in the Jewish Scriptures would lead you to think.
I don’t know when it was created and I have not found any spirit in the spiritual world who does know. Of course no spirit would know of his own knowledge because in the natural order of things, man must have been created subsequent to the creation of those things which were necessary for his sustenance and comfort. I have never seen any angels who were not at one time mortals, and hence I could not learn from them when the world was created and I have never seen any angels or spirits to whom God has made this revelation. So I say the creation of the world or rather any account if it is all a matter of speculation and tradition.
Yes, I have been informed as to the fall of man. My information is as follows: - When man was created he was made two-fold, - that is there were male and female beings - which was intended to make a perfect one without losing any individuality on the part of either. Their names were not Adam and Eve, but Aman and Amon, which meant the male Am and the female Am. Am meaning the exalted creation of God.
These beings were made perfect physically and spiritually. But these souls were not possessed of all the qualities of the Great Creator Soul, and in that particular were inferior to the Great Creator. But as regards this soul part of their creation, they were made in the image of their Creator. The physical or spiritual part of their creation was not in the image of their Creator, for He had no physical or spiritual body. But their soul part was only made in the image of their Creator - and not of the Substance - but this image was given a potentiality of obtaining or receiving the Substance of the soul qualities of their Creator and provided, if they pursued that course in their existence or living which would cause their souls to receive in accordance with certain operations of the laws which their Creator had prescribed, this soul Substance. And only in obedience to these laws or their operations could this Substance of the Creator Soul, be obtained.
Well, these creatures were not equal to the test, or rather requirements, and after living awhile they became possessed of the idea that they needed not to comply with these prescribed laws, but could of their own will and power obtain this Substance by doing that which they had been forbidden by these laws to do, and so in their efforts to obtain this Substance or Divine Love they disobeyed these laws, and, as a consequence, these potentialities of obtaining the Substance of the Creator Soul were taken from them, and then they became beings still possessed of the spiritual and physical forms and continued souls, but not of these great potentialities - and this was the fall of man.The story of the apple is a myth.
No apple or anything else that was intended to be eaten formed any part of the fall. It was wholly the fall of the soul’s potentialities. The disobedience was the great unlawful desire on the part of these two, to obtain this soul substance before, in accordance with the operations of the laws prescribed, they were fitted or in condition to receive it; and as a consequence, they became disobedient, and being possessed of wills which were not in any way bound or limited by their creator, they exercised these wills in accordance with their desires, and from this disobedience the wills of men and women have continued to act in accordance with their desires and in violation of the great laws of truth, which were made for the two creatures at the time of their creation and are the same unchangeable laws of this time.
The soul substance that these two forfeited was the Divine Love of their Creator, which, had they by their obedience became possessed of, would have made them a part of His Divinity, and thence like Him not only in image but in Substance and reality. The potentiality that was taken from them was the privilege which they had to obtain this soul Substance or Divine Love by complying with obedience which these laws prescribed. So you see the story of genesis is merely symbolical.
I have nothing further to say tonight.
I live in a sphere which is part of the Celestial Heavens. I have, through the mercy of God and His gift, declared by Jesus, received this potentiality and through it the Soul Substance which our first parents forfeited. The name which I have given you was mine when on earth. It is Arabic and nothing else. You must know, that many of the names of my time, were in after centuries incorporated in the nomenclature of other nations and races.
So I will say good night.
Your brother in Christ,
Leytergus.
Received 8/10/1915, new-birth.net
The Adam and Eve story proves that God was asleep at the wheel when Satan was tempting Eve to disobey Him.
If He had been paying attention and accepting responsibility, the Fall would have never happened.
God NEVER "sleeps" and has His hand in every happening in the universe.
Satan tempting Eve proves that God gave us free will, even the will to place our own desires above the desire to love and serve Him.
Biblical literalism kills faith.
Perhaps God never intended Adam & Eve to remain in Eden. There were no babies in the Garden and thus no human race. And we all know what happens to humans who are too comfortable. To interpret the Garden of Eden as a sort of preschool nursery that A&E would graduate from makes more sense to me than the original sin scenario where God entraps and curses His new creation.
Sadly God, A&E, and the Garden of Eden are completely imaginary
just like all the other characters in the Golden Treasury of Selected Hebrew fairy tales.
@@JamesRichardWiley
There's some wisdom packed into those stories even if they're myths. It's fascinating that the Jewish interpretation of the Adam & Eve story is so different. And, to me, it makes more sense.
🇷🇺☦️🤝☪️🇵🇸Not а historical account???? Heгetics! You misrepresent Aquinas and defame our holy scripture!! Don't speak for Catholics!!
Eve was Adam own sister because adam said she bone of my bone flesh of my flesh.
If Genesis is not historical then there would be no covenant, no original sin and no need for salvation. In your attempt to make Christianity more palatable to non believers, you surrendered the starting point that gives meaning to the entire belief. Shame on you