Why are we so BIASED towards England? | Six Nations Q&A
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- Ben Youngs and Dan Cole enter the Rugbyverse once more and this time they're here to respond to your comments.
Last week we received a "few" comments about our England vs Ireland review so the lads are here to set the records straight.
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You can't please all the people all of the time. I personally think your analysis is brilliant, and thorough. This goes for Ben's comments on Fra v Wales too. Keep it up lads! Thank you! x
I don't expect you guys to not have a bias, everyone has some bias. The beauty of the show is that you have the insight of being former England players, and more importantly and the reason you guys probably chose to do a show, being England fans your whole lives. You are one of us in that sense.
Sure you guys know more about England, but you spent a career playing against every other nation and can speak on that in a way that I feels crosses barriers beyond just England. As an All Black fan I'm not here because of my love of the All Blacks, I'm here for the love of rugby which you guys provide
I always find it funny how random people that haven't played a minute of pro rugby think they know more than 2 guys with 100 England caps 😂
100% with you mate. Some comments are truly pathetic and worthless. As you say, here we have two highly experienced superb international players talking Rugby. Why would anyone listen to David Wan*st*n talking total 💩💩 from his mummy’s back bedroom? Of course people have the right to opinions, but! It appears to me there is a large invasion of football mania creeping in to Rugby these days.
So so so true.
Ben said no one goes to Ireland to win. He said until he was blue in the face that England would beat Ireland even going as far as to say on an Irish podcast England would Win , he was wrong completely wrong , and he’s the expert 🤣 England were well beaten by a much better team, that team were camped out in Englands 22/half for almost 50 minutes, not 15 minutes. And no he gave Ireland no chance last week even said that he preferred Englands bench , how wrong was that. But the ridiculous shit about itoje push is a straight out LIE itoje was warned before the push not to push and referee was watching him, but Englands clown captain gave away a stupid penalty, but these two would rather avoid saying this , so if people are saying they are biased then yes they are.
@davidwalker2402 1. you've got to much time if your writing that much.
2. Who'd have thought 2 former England players might be a bit biased towards England 😱
@ yeah that’s fine but are you really that blind you cannot see how bad England are, after next game your record will rival wales , but hey if you need two ex players to convince you different then go for it 🤣
As a proud Irishman, I really enjoy your content. Fair play lads. You're entitled to any bias you have, but I personally don't think you show bias. You give credit where credit is due.
I'm French and Cole is low-key becoming my favorite english pundit, good job guys
I’m Irish and I’m loving him. Unusual character isn’t he
The fact that you two are both so close to the England team is literally what gives this podcast the edge over all the other shit out there. Keep up the chat lads, like coley said there’s always gonna be a few muppets crying no matter what you do
2 ex England legends quite like England, absolute shocker 😮😮😮
Some idiots comment from their couch, you guys know what you're talking about. You've done it all at the highest level. Respect!
Keep doing what your doing, this is IMO the best Rugby podcast on UA-cam - I basically only watch you guys and Squidge!
I recommend a neutral perspective. Kiwis and Boks have decent pods. Eggchaser is imo a very good and fair analyst
I totally agree, Ben and Dan (and Ant) are class
Outrageous. Maul or Nothing !
As an Irishman, your videos/pod are my favorite at the moment, especially amongst former player content. If you have any bias, it certainly hasn't spoiled my enjoyment
You’re analysis is spot on guys, not biased at all you gave Ireland loads of credit and I’m sure you will give more to teams in future. Bit upset we didn’t get a Scotland game review but I can forgive you !
Just keep going as you are. I really enjoy your podcast and unique insights on the game. Like everyone else you are entitled to your opinions. Unfortunately people don't always agree, but we are all different and have our own views on things.
Rugby like life can sometimes be open to interpretation.
Thanks so much for the entertaining content ❤
The title of your last video was "Ireland too good for England" but you didn't give them credit? Derp. Be biased, lads, be proud and unashamed to support England. You are no more biased than anyone else. Check the Irish channels, unreal arrogance and bias. The comments from the bitters will always b there, no matter what you say or do those who have been taught to hate us will never change. The only country in the world that espouses anti Irish sectarian nonsense daily is Scotland, yet they still support them over us. The biggest historical oppressors of the Welsh is Rome, and they will still support Italy over us. Ignore them and keep being yourselves.
My advice would be to stop giving credence to silly comments from paranoid Celts. Waste of time - and oxygen.
No arrogance on Irish channels, don't be talking sh*t
@@MrThebigredoneSaying English lost because irish were better can't be classed as arrogance
That’s why people dislike English punters and fans, you’re talking complete shi about Irish channels, Irish channels were completely the other way simply because it was unknown what England would turn up, they started out trying to be SA then switched to trying to be Ireland and the reverted to trying what NZ did, all failed and you are were you are .
@@davidwalker2402yeah England are a team that regularly makes World Cup semifinals and finals. Talk to us when Ireland make it past the quarters.
You guys give a unique view and as you say your experience of this England team is part of the insight of that
If people don't like that this makes you "biased" (we are all biased), then they need to grow up as it's part of the package
You're always honest. Sometimes you'll come to different conclusions to others but that's life
Not everyone is biased.Even Tim from @EggchasersRugby was singing Englands praises .You don't have to have played international rugby to understand that 2 poor attempted tackles on James lowe and Cunningham south leaving a gap gave Ireland 3 easy tries .let's say 2 because the gap lowe took and the build up made that the best try of the game .But let's get to the bias issue.England in the 20th century have had 2 periods of real success, the great 2003 world cup winning team and then Eddie Jones with the long winning streak and a 2019 world cup final.But every game they play in their supporters think they gonna win and talk them up , their press and all the podcasts talk about winning when the reality is very different. England are the one team in world rugby that get close on the scoreboard but lose 90 percent of those close games .Don't want to be nasty but if England rugby was half as good as their fans think they are they would be world beaters.
@CraigMinnie everyone is biased by definition one way or the other and if you try not to be biased, that's a bias
@indigojac08 No mate English supporters have always been this way their team can be having their worst season ever and they can be playing nz who are currently the best in the world. But they will tell you they should win the game and give you a million reasons why.No want wants their team to lose but sometimes we need to realistic .Ireland are now following in Englands footsteps.
@CraigMinnie I don't think you understand the point either I or the podcast are making at all, which is worrying as it isn't a complex one
You seem obsessed with the idea that English commentators should be just sitting back and giving general pessimistic criticism.
If that's what you want, why do you follow this podcast?
As for "no mate" the fact that we are all biased is a statement of fact, not a debating point for your opinion to refute. Your own bias is very clear, I suggest you think about it
@indigojac08 Sorry my Father coached 3 provincial teams including the lions which had 7 of the world cup 1995 squad in including Francois Pienaar. I was taught that you don't get praise for mediocrity. I enjoy the podcast and respect both players .So no they don't have to be negative all the time.But reality is also needed .Yes this England team may have potential but unfortunately last year they lost every close game.They beat Italy, Wales, Japan and a great win against Ireland in 2024.Maybe we different in the Southern hemisphere but over here in rugby anything but a win is a massive failure. England have been going through this cycle for the majority of the 20th century other than woodward 2003 world cup and Eddie Jones 73 % win rate .So my question to you is winning and losing are both habits and unfortunately England have got to change this losing mentality. In sport both Ben and Dan will tell you if you accept being close on the scoreboard and losing you will never be a winning team.Your country has all the resources, second most registered players in the world,great club competition, most probably the best training facilities in the world ,a talented player pool to pick from and definitely the financial muscle .So what is stopping England from consistently been in the top 4 in the world and winning another world cup or cups.You have done this before so why can't you do it again.I can assure you that by praising and giving compliments for average performances you not helping the players at all.With no disrespect something is wrong in your system cause your teams results should be much better.
As a french, I'm really scared for this week-end, because england is really good where we are really weak : high balls
This is my favourite podcast by far. As someone who is a football fan first and only got into rugby about 6/7 years ago ive learned loads listening to you guys and Ant.
Does make me laugh fans of other nations having a go for you discussing England.. would be a bit weird 2 ex England legends mostly talking about Ireland or Wales. 🙄
Keep it up guys 🏉 🏴
Great podcast fellahs. It’s a crowded circuit but you guys have carved out a unique space. I’m Irish btw
Agree with Ben, it's a load of bollocks, come over to Ireland and listen to some of our ex internationals, the sun shines out of our national team's arse and nobody else matters, of course it's biased, you're former England internationals and are entitled to your own opinion, this is an English podcast after all 😂
As brilliant as Ben Earl is, do we need a real no 8?
As an England disliker, please play dombrandt over the man who was the no.8 in last year's team of the tournament ahead of Doris and Albritt.
You have Willis in the team who plays 8 week in week out for Sarries but the opt for a 7 in Earl. He isn't big enough off the back of a scrum to play 8.
@@totallyblocked12 Play an 8 yes (Willis!) but Dombrandt has had his chance for a while and made little impact. EArl can return to 7/take a rest and rediscover his previous form (but i think this is unlikely).
@@totallyblocked12 😆
@@jackhumphries6687and yet on attacking scrums for sarries, Earl switches with Willis and packs down at 8 the majority of the time.
I find your analysis excellent. Objective an very informed. I believe that many people just don't understand how fine the margins are between winning an losing are at this level! People have quickly forgotten the absolutely fabulous England performance in Lyon last year. I find all the media and supporter's negativity and criticism of England's players an coaches so unnecessary and lacking in knowledge and understanding. How did public criticism affect you an how did you deal with it?
The great performance in Lyon , didn’t Italy draw with France the week before 😂
@@davidwalker2402 Point being it was almost exactly the same French team except Dupont...
Why are two former England players biased toward England. Hmmm, let me see now......... Nope, I can't think of a reason why.
Kiwi here, you lads are solid
Thanks for providing us with this content
This is a quality pod! You both are quality pundits even while looking like you both had a couple pints the night before 😂
Your analysis and explainations of what teams are doing and why has changed the way i watch and enjoy the game mate. Keep going, loving it. 🏆
Dan Cole has the most silky smooth, landed gentry, dulcet tones, voice I've ever heard. Cognitive dissonance.
So what i dont understand about England is how content you have become with mediocrity. Not up there with france, ireland, south africa and new zealand and your results show it. You have no ambition in your game, no game model and no identity. The other 4 you can say how they want to play, england there is no clarity.
I agree. Borthwick is getting away with murder. Loss after loss after loss
“If you were tough you’d be playing in the pack so F off” 😂😂😂
TOTALLY BIASED.... imagine two ex-England test level players, sorry centurions... and people think they don't know or can’t have an opinion ffs people wobble the head! Are they backing their team/players yes but they are also giving a fair assessment of them too! Some people seem to think unless they spout the same POV as you them then they’re wrong ugg it’s painful reading some comments these days.
Don't change anything, the pod is great. I especially loved the rugby video game and quiz segments. You guys are killing it. I would expect an English rugby pod with two great English professional players to be biased toward English rugby, but I don't see it as a bad thing. Back your team and roll with the banter. Ignore any personal attacks and take the rest of it in the likely good sprit it is intended. I'm for sure biased towards Munster and Ireland, even if I was trying not to be I wouldn't know if I was overcorrecting or not. It's not something I would ever feel I need to defend.
Obviously you are biased, but everyone is, its human nature. You are not hiding that you are ex Englang internationals who worked with these guys so everyone should just factor that in without complaint.
And obviously the people who do complain tend to only do so because their own bias is being challenged.
If we come here, we know the lads will lean towards the sweet chariot. Delusional thinking that you'll get absolute objectivity anywhere
Gotta love dem cotton pickin songs
I think this is the best place for a technical breakdown of what happened. It's easy to listen to also because they let each other finish their points.🏴
I thought Barry White had dulcet tones until I heard Coley
There is always some level of biased, whether consciously or unconsciously on these opinion pieces / reviews. Happens everywhere whether it be an Irish, English, SA, NZ channel etc. Theres nothing wrong with that.
I enjoy getting the differing view points, whether i agree or not with them, and in a lot of cases i gain an insight into something i might not have full considered before (probably due to my own bias!!!)
If you dont want to hear what people have to say then just dont watch the video.
As an Irish fan i really enjoy listening to these two, their views, perspective and insight, as people who played at the top level in international rugby.
Coley, you’re looking to your right as we see it on camera. Lenny, you’re looking to your left. You’re looking away from each other. This sets my ocd head in a tailspin.
Otherwise great work and good production.
My son plays for an under 15s team as a prop and is very strong and he's been told by a lot of different coaches he's the best they have gone against. Trouble is trials are none contact and he would have no chance as it's all about pace and fitness. Can you please give advice on how a prop can actually get noticed as it's a struggle
22:50 Coley is spitting fire and FACTS about forwards v backs.
Great analysis, few too many if this call or if that penalty, the intensity is always there. Key issues, defence, selection, Borewick, replacement having little impact, penalty count, leadership, gain line success.
‘To close’ 🤣 this isnt a freaking jury, its a rugby podcast. You both offer unique insight that most couldnt.
Man people always look for something to complain about 💀 modern day nihilism, bloody sick of it
You can call out Ben Youngs as much as you want. But that lad gave up a spot on the 2017 lions tour to put his brother and family first.
So never chat shit about him, because he's a proper legend in my book.
Obvs the legend of Dan Cole speaks for itself 🤣
Never heard about this? Whats the story behind it?
The wife of his brother (Tom Youngs, ex-Eng and Lions hooker) was diagnosed with terminal cancer. He wanted to be home to support them. She didn't die as early as expected but died a few years later.
1: For the last 9 years from Eddie Jones onwards England have been without rivals when it comes to stupidly getting on the wrong side of referees .
2, if the strongest and most noticeable part of England's game on Saturday was the capability to disrupt and slow down the Irish ruck then this meant they were playing the game with very limited possession of the ball and the outcome was 1 converted try and 1 penalty against 4 tries (2 converted) and 1 penalty in 75 minutes, by which time Ireland were secure of a bonus point victory.
Nothing wrong with people expressing their opinions, rugby needs to embrace the social media space where anyone anywhere can have an opinion whether it’s a hot take or whether it’s just a hyperbolic reactionary opinion.
Keep up the good work guys, great content and looking forward to the weekend against France 💪🏼
Wherever you guys land on the positive/negative spectrum regarding whichever issue, there will always be people who are further to one end or the other. Can’t please everyone! Keep doing you, guys 👍
Just an observation, NH teams are, but for a couple of changes, are fairly predictable. Not like Rassie, he can make 12 changes from week to week. Early announcement, Tuesday evening, as Ben stated, most prep is done. Enjoy the pod, thanks Guys
Rassie very careful on changes for important games - but certainly more adventurous in lesser games
Rassies team selection is very unpredictable. How they play however is very predictable. It's just the problem is that it doesn't matter that they're predictable because they're just so dam good at what they do
100% agree with the points about momentum, There were a string of moments that all went against England and it turned the game. Hopefully the tide will turn and England can figure out how to tip the scales in their favour
My least favourite team is england and i love this podcast. I appreciate you coming out and addressing this nut i hope you dont get too caught up with the opinions of the uninformed. You are offering perspective on international rugby that NO OTHER podcast can offer. Loving it from canada
Great pod - would the addition of Ben "to be fair" Bingo be in order? 😉😉
Coles comments on the wingers 😂😂😂
France the 'best team in the world' 🤣
Welsh man here, Can’t see where the bias criticism comes from. Haters mate!
Hey guys, you have a great pod, moreover you are incredible ambassadors for the game. To be fair and quite rightly you should be slightly biased towards England and as such that is your target audience. I enjoy hearing your side of things and that “players” perspective, and your game analytics. This from a very biased bok supporter 😂
I've never interpreted your commentary as overly biased. The Irish lads are just soft. They had two decent WC cycles (still couldn't win a single knock out game) and now they spit the dummy whenever they aren't worshipped in every review. Dont cave to the petulant whinging!
You’re right, since Saturday it’s been *checks notes* the Irish spitting the dummy, and definitely not the English throwing the toys out of the pram over magical high tackles, BOK being in the pocket of the IRFU, and any other number of absolute wank excuses they’ve come up for why Ireland pumped them.
But yeah, it’s the Irish who are really whining right now. Oh sorry, *winning.
Sour grapes 😂 you honestly can’t throw the World Cup back and Ireland or France with how uneven the draw was. England would have struggled to get out of the pool stage if the draw had more balance and this is not a dig I would like to see a stronger England, but for such a large playing pool England should be stronger and they have the players to be
If you want to see toddler behaviour check out the comments on BBC's review of the game. Top comment was English fans crying about the ref or that Maro barely pushed him. 2 losses in 16 tournanment games and continuous glorious salty English tears
@@jamesmcmanus3468 What grapes are their to be sour about? I'm not English and Ireland have lost every knockout game they've ever played in the only tournament that contains all the best sides in the world. Uneven draw is irrelevant. to be the best, you gotta beat the best.
@@AlCasu1888 There's always gunna be sooks on all sides. Just want the FTLOR lads to not bow to sub-peer pressure from online fans.
When you both have played over 100 times for England, one would assume you would be more inclined to favour them😊.
Of course you're biased! There'd be something weird going on if your weren't?!! You wore the bloody jersey for Gods sake. Irishman here btw and have zero problem with English people being biased towards England no more than vice versa. Some awful sad sacks out there...who never played flanker that's for sure (that position knocks the 'woke' out of one..)
I wouldn't listen to some random. The fact you are still so close to the dressing room means you have insite that many others dont. Keep up the work, lads. Also you are English. Ill just leave that hanging there. I am guessing it was a southafrica trolling a uk based rugby pod..
Not an England fan, and don't care about the bias. It's your channel.
I'd jog on if it wasn't worth listening to.
Keep doing what you're doing.
How dare you not be an England fan after watching these guys 😂
@@Baz-h9h I have Dan Cole pyjamas now
The highest liked comment on BBC sports review of the game was English fans slating the ref and crying. Truly pathetic
Maro was caught by the official interfereing with a lifter. No sane person can question that, surely you cant do that.
The sad truth is that we all see things differently - it’s all subjective! Even someone reading this will disagree with me. That’s part of the fun though isn’t it - how lucky are we to be able to disagree. I wouldn’t go as far as to say bias (even though you have more reason than most to be), it’s just a different lens to some. Anyway, great content. Keep it up fellas
Bizarre analysis confirming the clickbait video title. "But for a few mistakes during a 15 minute Irish spell, England could have won"
Utterly bizarre.
I mean yes, but you are English, recently played for England (A LOT!!) and have some very close friends within the squad - what do people expect. 😂
That being said, it’s clear that the tactics from winning positions aren’t working, and are counterproductive when continuing the blitz. You just give world class international players the ball to run at a tiring defence.
We have to back our attacking talent who have got us into these positions to see it through.
It’s so frustrating to see when the game is long gone, the ball suddenly goes back to Marcus and Lawrence, sladey etc and we score two quick tries.
Either stop kicking it away OR stop playing blitz you can’t do both
Questioning analysis is fine; but doing it without genuine curiosity or respect is not.
I don't see a problem with backing your side, infact its expected to be fair, and normal, look at the opposite extreme with luke fitzgerald doing a pod on rugby and he spends most of his time shitting on ireland or leinster and talking up opposition at length. It's nauseating. So like you can take the other extreme and placate the opposition in an over the top way. I think it's impossible to please everyone, this pod won't appeal to everyone, but if it's good enough it will build an audience.
Great V/O Dan!- from the guy that did a lot of Supersport V/O's!!
"Why are we so BIASED towards England?"
yes! why the fook *are* you guys so bias? ... 🙂🤭😄😂🤣
Oh come on. English media and pundits have always been notoriously bias which is why they’re disliked by the majority of other nations. Irish pundits go out of their way to slate Ireland at every turn btw.
This segment is a double negative. They first say ‘we want to give objective viewpoints’ then essentially say Ireland were lucky for 15 minutes. This is the second in the world team. Then say there’s no shame to lose to the French who are arguably on an equal par to Ireland. Still trying to ‘little brother’ Ireland after all these years. Bizarre.
Then you get twits in the comments saying ‘but you haven’t played the game at the highest level.’
Good lord. This is exactly the kind of biased bs that causes people to shake their heads in despair! England are normally pilloried by the English media, while the fans are entitled to be absolutely one-eyed - and then ALWAYS rip in when they lose. Meanwhile, the sun shines out of Ireland's arses constantly. It is staggering you think otherwise. Do you have any clue?
You provide great analysis and this is my favourite rugby podcast. EVERYONE loves to hate England, so whenever anybody like yourselves says anything remotely positive, people will say its biased 🤣
Correction. France is not the best team in the world 😉😉. And the England team is released on a Tuesday because they're copying Rassie. I live to give!
Dan - what is your analysis of the scrums?
To be fair to Ben and Dan they can be as close and as bias as they like or want to be. It’s a podcast watch it don’t watch it, you choose but it’s not the BBC to which you pay as a taxpayer so don’t expect so called impartiality or objectivity, it’s a private podcast enterprise…..put up or jog on
Towards? You'll find the entire world is biased against.
Most of these keyboard warriors have ludicrous comments. Think you guys have been more than fair to all teams but it is an England focused pod. Know it can be difficult but would try to filter out the wafflers to the genuine engaged listener.
There is nothing wrong with being biaised unless you referee the game!!
Big respect Dan Cole , disagree with you when you said there are honourable defeats. This is , all defeats hurt which means even if aparently the oponent in principle is much better. Losing still hurts. Always strive to be the best, and England, taking in account their rugby history. Is playing a side with less sucess. Thou so losing to them. specially at home, should always hurt a lot. Just saying. Zwitj the uttermost respect
Great show., Legends.
Brilliant pods. Please try and not say "to be fair" all the time though!
What is "back down" Coley? Sounds like some form of sickness
What's the answer to England's lineout problems? We were caught well short in Dublin
I’ve put that down to only having 2 recognised line out jumpers. I think if Chesum/Hill plays 6 at the weekend the situation should improve
I dont know what people expect. Ex England players are going to come at it from a particular angle so just keep that in mind when watching.
Its like when English pundits do lion selection predictions and they include as many English as Irish players which on the last few years form is just objectively wrong (im irish and i get the absolute hypocrisy of what im saying but England just arent on the same level yet)- but these guys watch Genge and co every week. They probably dont watch the URC clubs much outside of the champions cup so how can they make decisions on players they dont watch often.
Irish podcasters are the same and its an impossible balance as you cant please everyone.
Its nuts that rugby is just a business, a money earner..not yours or mine...and yet it attracts fanatics. Guess when you wrap up a product in the na5ional flag, national emblems, anthems, culture and history...it skews peoples reality somewhat.
Would Jack Willis be used as a key source of French intell given the toulouse makeup of France or would club loyalty stop this?
Yes, I like the informed view!
I suppose the fact your English your going to be some what bias but you just said we don't expect to go to Ireland and win then go on to say how Ireland only won because England didn't play well for 15 minutes in the 2nd half😅😅😅. Just found this podcast and thought it be good and well rounded like Tim(egg chasers) Good luck in your pod but it's only for English fans.
Dan Cole looks like he has a permanent head cold. Is that deliberate or an accident like when he head-butted Tadgh Furlong?
do you think the ref was harsh or was it purely down to England's errors? Maro's line out push seemed non-existent to me.
Imagine getting offended that englands 2 most capped players speak positively about england. Fuck me🤣
You guys are doing a great job in your videos. Friendly greetings from a Toulouse and Les Bleus fan.
Could you please explain what goes through players heads when pre match tactics are clearly not working during the game. Do captains/players have the ability/respect to change things up on the pitch during play or is it an agreed thing to follow instruction from the manager until half/full time?
lads have 245 caps between them playing for their country! how are they not gonna be slightly biased when talking about England! It would be hard not to!
lovely quiz, thoroughly enjoyed it
Thanks for answering my question
Great episode as always!
What do you believe the fundamental reason is for England’s under performance/lack of consistency over so many years given the talent and resources available.
I genuinely think it’s been impacted by the slow degradation of the Prem, and the concept of defence becoming somewhat optional. It’s now a (high scoring and yes, often entertaining) Mickey Mouse league.
The lads also - it’s a young crop of players who’ve been growing up in it, and it shows a little. They look very young to me. I was watching a Living with Lions clip and the forwards before - Johnno, Dallaglio, Hill, Keith Wood etc - were amping up, similar ages to those now, and Lawrence was absolutely frothing at the mouth and downright scary and ready for violence.. (not saying he hadn’t taken a supplementary g-up 🤣). I just don’t see that from many of our players anymore. It’s like chalk and cheese. I can’t see some of these current players (save a couple of forwards) putting themselves completely on the line to make a tackle. The attempts on Aki were poor, as powerful as he is - and I’m sorry, there has to be some modicum of shame in losing and missing one on one tackles at this level - the teams of the past that have won major trophies had that mindset. They just DO NOT lose, and losing, like winning, becomes a quick habit.
When the ceiling of where the players play week in week out is lower.. it transposes negatively versus the likes of Ireland & France. We seem to have lost some snarl, and nasty bite - definitely since Hartley was captain.
When England were strong - Sarries and Exeter were winning in Europe.
Utter mismanagement by the dossers at the top of the RFU
considering that you are both English, I dont find you insufferable, this isnt true of many of your fellow countrymen
Really
Just oddly feels like eng have been below average for a while at 6 nations, but guess it's only last 4 years. 2015-2020 was very good (3 first place finishes)
That second question was pretty stupid
Great comments as always
Did nobody notice the forward pass from Ireland Hooker for their try
Nobody did
Is Dan Cole any relation to Nigel Farage ?
Nigel Farage is the cousin of Dan Cole's uncle