The nice moment was when they both realized they were both being played by their handlers to make them run to extreme of their positions. They knew they both were patriots and wanted the best for the country they truly wanted the American people to decide.
Alan Alda in this role scared the living crap out of me. He articulated conservative positions far better than I've ever heard any conservative talk about them. We'll put aside momentarily the complete implausibility of a pro-choice political conservative who wouldn't "bend the knee" to the extreme, religious evangelicals.
Joshua Kricker the thing is you have to consider the presidency of Jed bartlet because at this point he is very popular so I’m guessing the Republicans want to match up with that
@@LuisMartinez-rw2lj Agreed. The show was made in a time were "They go high, we go higher." was still ruling - instead of nowadays doubling down on bullcrap.
@@joshuakricker4177 - But this show had us considering the perspectives of others - freed us from the cynicism (cut with occasional realism) of negativism re: our ability to collaborate vs. compete. It surely was from a (very) liberal perspective. I'd love for it to be somehow reborn ... or to see a similarly hopeful/collaborative take from a conservative-oriented show.
I think this is where Santos started to get the idea to put Vinnick in his cabinet. I don't think he'd settled on Secretary of State yet but he was beginning to respect the guy and I feel like this was almost a test to see if they could put the party politics bullshit aside and just get on with something together.
@@aniketkesarkar9967 yeah, that's what I mean about the only thing being in the way of them getting along being party politics bullshit. The only reason they're opposing is because they're in different political parties. They have many of the same ideas. I mean this scene is the moment where that potentially begins to occur to Santos. Because this is the first time we see them together as just two men, not surrounded by their party machines. Remove the obstacle and realise the similarities. That's the purpose of this scene.
@@ArtemisScribe I disagree again. While they agree on some issues foreign policy being one both are two very different individuals. And no they aren't exactly squabbling just coz they are in different parties. They are arguing coz they have two very different even conflicting governing philosophies wherein Santos believes government to be a big machine that does everything and wants to raise taxes to pay for it while Vinnick (and even people like me) believe the role of the government is to provide a basic framework within which human creativity should be free to express itself in it's full glory. Vinnick wants to cut what he deems is unnecessary spending and give it's benefit directly to the general populace. Also this is not the first time we see them together discussing policy, remember Ethanol pledge in Idaho??
Democrats and Republicans agreeing to be honorable, fair, and civil? Might as well have a couple of Orks and Elves dancing with Pixies for how real that is nowadays.
@@ktvindicare I dont know, Obama and Mccain election was very civil even more if you compare with Trump x Biden. Obama end up even doing the eulogy in Mccain funeral. and there is a video mid campaign off Maccain defending Obama when he was called "muslim".
Once upon a time it wasn't that far off in fantasy. The idea of civil discourse in this country has nearly eroded. Nowadays it's all about claiming fake news as gospel and election deniers as prophets.
jimmyfly he is not, Alan Alda is multi talented actor and writer. He has been in movies to where has played bad guys that counter his image from mash and even played a villain in The Blacklist.
My personal vision. Obama and McCain were about as close as it got in recent years, they both basically said publicly "He's not a bad guy, I am running because I believe I have better ideas and I disagree with him on XYZ"
McCain showed character and guts when he told that crowd that Obama was no Muslim and not a bad guy, just a decent person with whom he had policy disagreements. To think we fell from men of honor likes McCain to fascist thugs like One-Pump Trump in such a short span of years.😪
John McCain was lying on a cot, physically shattered and broken, in a bodycast that his bones were set into without any sort of anesthesia, teetering on the brink of death in a "field hospital" in a sweltering jungle when the North Vietnamese-- having stumbled across the name, and more importantly, family lineage of their newest captive-- offered him a ticket home. McCain, knowing the propaganda value to the NVA if he accepted, and knowing what it would mean to the dozens of anonymous Americans already imprisoned, refused. He did so knowing that he was opting to be sent to a place that truly deserved to be called "Hell On Earth" if any place ever did, with no idea how long he would be there. or if he would ever live long enough to survive and go home. He ultimately spent 5.5 years being subjected to things that would give Stephen King nightmares. At times he was subjected to torture sessions that lasted so long that his torturers had to work in rotating shifts, doing things to him so tewrrible that even some of the NVA prison guards assigned to watch would break down in tears. Years later, his political candidates routinely tried smearing him when he ran for President in 2000 and 2008. They claimed-- with zero evidence-- that he used the influence of his powerful and connected Admiral of a father to get into Annapolis, to graduate from Annapolis, to get accepted to flight school, to bail him out of the consequences of his allegedly reckless flying in Italy, and bail him out of his alleged responsibility in the USS Forrestal incident. They even tried to smear him by saying he traded on his father's rank to get sent to Vietnam. This being the first and only time I know of when an American politician was pasted with accusations of being a child of privilege his used his family influence to get sent **into** direct combat instead of away from it. All of this mud was flung by "anonymous sources," with zero evidence to back it up. In fact, the only time I'm aware of where John McCain could be shown to have the chance to use his father's influence for his own ends was when he had the chance to avoid being consigned to a fate too horrible for just about anyone who hasn't lived through it to comprehend...and turned it down. I agree that it'd be great if political campaigns could be just two guys who want to work to address problems and promote the public good, and simply have different ideas about how to do it. But it's a dirty business, and always has been...and it just seems to get worse. And much of that can be blamed on the electorate itself, and what it looks for in politics. But both parties need to be on board at the same time; otherwise, things like "character" and "integrity" become liabilities instead of virtues. Even then, it doesn't necessarily assure anything good may come. Jimmy Carter was a pretty lousy President...ineffectual at best. I believe sincerely that Jimmy Carter is a moral, decent, principled man with deep ethical convictions and a moral compass that stays truer than most in politics; alas, it never did him any good, and may have even been used against him.
They were apparently fairly friendly with eachother, even during the campaign. McCain just had to keep his distance a bit to keep the Sarah Palin lot happy, if I remember correctly.
Didn't the West Wing have enough money in the wardrobe budget to properly dress the actors for the Al Smith Dinner? The Dinner is a full dress (white tie and tails) affair, NOT black tie.
Vinnick won the campaign and was going to win the election if not for a nuclear meltdown. The show was funny because it showed Josh and Santos as some master campaigners, but they were getting crushed right until the fire at the nuclear plant.
Which was exacerbated by the debate. If Vinnick hadn't been quoted as saying nuclear energy was completely safe, he would have been better off. In presidential campaigns, it's often one issue late in the campaign that destroys you.
Actually, Alda's character Vinnick was supposed to win the election, but after the death of John Spencer, the writers felt that it wasn't fair to hit the Democrats with both the death of Leo and the loss of the election, so they made Santos win.
@@jasonchambers1679 Yep, and there's evidence of that in the 2022 elections. Republicans very well could have taken the House by a wide margin had they not jumped the gun on abortion after the Dobbs v. Jackson decision. Had they waited until 2023 or negotiated with Democrats, they could have gotten a bigger majority. Instead, they are one or two seats away from losing control at any moment during the 118th Congress.
I dont think the show was ever supposed to continue to a new President. Remember Rocky lost in the first movie and the Indians lost in playoffs in Major League. I think getting the nomination is where it was meant to end.
What I find funny is that they did in five minutes what their staff could not do in two months. I think this was the last time they were left unattended as they clearly cannot be trusted.
I think that was an accident. Both sides' staffs left them where they were on their way to the stage. Both sides so wrapped up in their work that they hadn't noticed they left the candidates side by side alone for a minute. Everybody's thinking ahead to the dinner, including the candidates. It's why neither side said anything at first. It's funny...if the pro-lifers hadn't run that ad, if Santos didn't have anything to complain to Vinick about, if that conversation didn't happen...would there have been a debate?
By this point, the show creator who wrote the first four seasons (Aaron Sorkin) had left. It was still good, but the dialog had lots some of its snap, and there was a lot less humor. (When I re-watched the show a couple of years ago, the change in tone after season four was pretty striking.)
@@davebartholome2924 That's true, but it was kind of like Steve Young taking over for Joe Montana. The dropoff was not precipitous, and the successors were still Hall of Famers.
I remember Orin Hatch and Ted Kennedy hitting the Sunday Morning News shows- going at it respectfully but with strong beliefs...then go out for lunch. They were friends and in the end wanted to work together for the nation. Russ Feingold and John McCain..Bob Dole and everyone :) even other Republicans....I miss it.
I really wish they had stuck with their original plan and had Vinnick win and offer Santos Secretary of Education. It would've made so much more sense. After eight years of Democratic President the American people usually want a shift in tone
@@christosioannou9628 Actually, I believe they've said that they were always planning on having Santos win - they simply wrote the other ending in case it leaked: They could leak both, and muddy the waters.
Nope. Watch it again. Vinnick is the one that starts walking first, then Santos starts walking. They literally meet in the middle. And if it matters to you, Santos is the one that spoke first, before Vinnick turned and started walking towards him. Are you trying to apply your partisan political agenda to a fictional 20 year old TV show?
_Game of Thrones_ is more realistic than _The West Wing._ Gotta say tho, as a leftist I was rooting for Alan Alda's character. One of my favorite characters on the show. He played him brilliantly. Of course, people like him don't exist in the real world.
@@luqas99 *Toe* the party line. As in, stand up and put your toe on the line to indicate your agreement to participate. You lose all credibility when you make simple mistakes like this.
Secret service would never , ever , ever bring their person through a kitchen unless it was totally deserted and cleared and secured. In this case , where they needed a green room, they would have a place prepared . Also, at the al smith dinner, the participants on the Dais are actually seated first and then announced. presidential candidates are the two major speakers, but there are others .
I remember the first time I saw a segment of the Al Smith Dinner. It was Bush talking about himself, and Michael Moore tried to make it look as if he was joking not about himself, but about the poor, and as if this was a dinner for evil corporate republican cronies. Hillary Clinton and Al Gore were in the room, and it was a catholic charity dinner. Gore and Bush both tried to appear arrogant just for laughs, with each of them cleverly joking about himself.
Actually, M*A*S*H only reveals that Hawkeye is against war which a lot of Republicans were and still are. Also, a person's politics change as they get older. Until I was 23, 24, I thought universal basic income was pie-in-the-sky thinking. Getting close to 26, my thoughts on that changed after researching it. The same can be true of Hawkeye. In the first few seasons, he was just going through the motions. Then, in the 10th season, he writes a letter to Truman on the atrocities he witnessed.
From what I know of American politics, a Democrat senator from Texas and a Republican senator from California for presidential candidate seems very unlikely.
Both were good. Vinick was better by policy, but Santos had better presence. Neither fell short of the Office. Complete contrast to the reality of Presidential elections, where we're trying to find which slime isn't the absolute bottom of the barrel.
Two great actors in provacative and intelligent show. We need more of this in our media these days.
You just can't search your media, there's many hidden gems around
@@derrickstorm6976 genuine question : can you give me something as good as tww released in the past 5 years?
The nice moment was when they both realized they were both being played by their handlers to make them run to extreme of their positions.
They knew they both were patriots and wanted the best for the country they truly wanted the American people to decide.
"No backroom tactics," he said in a backroom.
😂 to be fair a backroom is different without you're advisers or handlers
The WW was so great; Alan Alda (a tried and true liberal Democrat) is so great as a Conservative .......
A Republican that I would vote for.
Alan Alda in this role scared the living crap out of me. He articulated conservative positions far better than I've ever heard any conservative talk about them. We'll put aside momentarily the complete implausibility of a pro-choice political conservative who wouldn't "bend the knee" to the extreme, religious evangelicals.
Joshua Kricker the thing is you have to consider the presidency of Jed bartlet because at this point he is very popular so I’m guessing the Republicans want to match up with that
@@LuisMartinez-rw2lj Agreed. The show was made in a time were "They go high, we go higher." was still ruling - instead of nowadays doubling down on bullcrap.
@@joshuakricker4177 - But this show had us considering the perspectives of others - freed us from the cynicism (cut with occasional realism) of negativism re: our ability to collaborate vs. compete. It surely was from a (very) liberal perspective. I'd love for it to be somehow reborn ... or to see a similarly hopeful/collaborative take from a conservative-oriented show.
I think this is where Santos started to get the idea to put Vinnick in his cabinet. I don't think he'd settled on Secretary of State yet but he was beginning to respect the guy and I feel like this was almost a test to see if they could put the party politics bullshit aside and just get on with something together.
Nah Vinnick and Santos were way close than people realize
@@aniketkesarkar9967 yeah, that's what I mean about the only thing being in the way of them getting along being party politics bullshit. The only reason they're opposing is because they're in different political parties. They have many of the same ideas. I mean this scene is the moment where that potentially begins to occur to Santos. Because this is the first time we see them together as just two men, not surrounded by their party machines. Remove the obstacle and realise the similarities. That's the purpose of this scene.
@@ArtemisScribe I disagree again. While they agree on some issues foreign policy being one both are two very different individuals. And no they aren't exactly squabbling just coz they are in different parties. They are arguing coz they have two very different even conflicting governing philosophies wherein Santos believes government to be a big machine that does everything and wants to raise taxes to pay for it while Vinnick (and even people like me) believe the role of the government is to provide a basic framework within which human creativity should be free to express itself in it's full glory. Vinnick wants to cut what he deems is unnecessary spending and give it's benefit directly to the general populace. Also this is not the first time we see them together discussing policy, remember Ethanol pledge in Idaho??
@@aniketkesarkar9967 That's a pretty bleak picture you painted about Santos and a pretty rose-colored picture you painted about Vinick.
@@partyguy101ify I wager AniKet would agree that the picture is bleak, and that's likely why they oppose it.
Democrats and Republicans agreeing to be honorable, fair, and civil?
Might as well have a couple of Orks and Elves dancing with Pixies for how real that is nowadays.
Orks and Eldar! Living Together! Mass Hysteria!
@@LordBloodraven Tell him about the Twinkie.
It was fantasy land when this show aired to.
@@ktvindicare I dont know, Obama and Mccain election was very civil even more if you compare with Trump x Biden. Obama end up even doing the eulogy in Mccain funeral. and there is a video mid campaign off Maccain defending Obama when he was called "muslim".
Once upon a time it wasn't that far off in fantasy. The idea of civil discourse in this country has nearly eroded. Nowadays it's all about claiming fake news as gospel and election deniers as prophets.
I like how they pretend not to notice each other at first
Yeah. Neither of them was sure they wanted the convo.
@@darkhorseash4337, each waiting for the other to make the first move. It's Alphonse & Gaston. After you. No, no, no, after you!
Vinnick was a great character and Alan Alda was the best casting decision. Wish he'd won and Santos was VP or Sec of State.
I heard they planned for Vinnick to win but changed the script after John Spencer died.
@@zentrino336 I've come to see Vinnick as Santos his Leo, the wise and more experienced statesman providing sage council. It fits.
@MikeJames6 Agreed. That's why they had to write in that nuclear disaster to lay a whammy on Vinick.
@@Elthenar And if they didn't write in a Pandemic, Trump would have won.
@@phillipcheron4819 agreed. In a landslide too, given how the economy was doing
This show had such a wonderful ensemble cast and Alan Alda's addition just made it better. Of course he already had experience in this with M*A*S*H
jimmyfly he is not, Alan Alda is multi talented actor and writer. He has been in movies to where has played bad guys that counter his image from mash and even played a villain in The Blacklist.
Both men took each other's measure, the germ of the events of the last few episodes.
Every time I see a politician walking through a kitchen I think of Bobby Kennedy's assassination. Am I the only one?
I couldn’t watch RFK more than once because the inevitable ending.
My personal vision. Obama and McCain were about as close as it got in recent years, they both basically said publicly "He's not a bad guy, I am running because I believe I have better ideas and I disagree with him on XYZ"
McCain showed character and guts when he told that crowd that Obama was no Muslim and not a bad guy, just a decent person with whom he had policy disagreements. To think we fell from men of honor likes McCain to fascist thugs like One-Pump Trump in such a short span of years.😪
John McCain was lying on a cot, physically shattered and broken, in a bodycast that his bones were set into without any sort of anesthesia, teetering on the brink of death in a "field hospital" in a sweltering jungle when the North Vietnamese-- having stumbled across the name, and more importantly, family lineage of their newest captive-- offered him a ticket home. McCain, knowing the propaganda value to the NVA if he accepted, and knowing what it would mean to the dozens of anonymous Americans already imprisoned, refused.
He did so knowing that he was opting to be sent to a place that truly deserved to be called "Hell On Earth" if any place ever did, with no idea how long he would be there. or if he would ever live long enough to survive and go home. He ultimately spent 5.5 years being subjected to things that would give Stephen King nightmares. At times he was subjected to torture sessions that lasted so long that his torturers had to work in rotating shifts, doing things to him so tewrrible that even some of the NVA prison guards assigned to watch would break down in tears.
Years later, his political candidates routinely tried smearing him when he ran for President in 2000 and 2008. They claimed-- with zero evidence-- that he used the influence of his powerful and connected Admiral of a father to get into Annapolis, to graduate from Annapolis, to get accepted to flight school, to bail him out of the consequences of his allegedly reckless flying in Italy, and bail him out of his alleged responsibility in the USS Forrestal incident.
They even tried to smear him by saying he traded on his father's rank to get sent to Vietnam. This being the first and only time I know of when an American politician was pasted with accusations of being a child of privilege his used his family influence to get sent **into** direct combat instead of away from it.
All of this mud was flung by "anonymous sources," with zero evidence to back it up. In fact, the only time I'm aware of where John McCain could be shown to have the chance to use his father's influence for his own ends was when he had the chance to avoid being consigned to a fate too horrible for just about anyone who hasn't lived through it to comprehend...and turned it down.
I agree that it'd be great if political campaigns could be just two guys who want to work to address problems and promote the public good, and simply have different ideas about how to do it. But it's a dirty business, and always has been...and it just seems to get worse. And much of that can be blamed on the electorate itself, and what it looks for in politics. But both parties need to be on board at the same time; otherwise, things like "character" and "integrity" become liabilities instead of virtues.
Even then, it doesn't necessarily assure anything good may come. Jimmy Carter was a pretty lousy President...ineffectual at best. I believe sincerely that Jimmy Carter is a moral, decent, principled man with deep ethical convictions and a moral compass that stays truer than most in politics; alas, it never did him any good, and may have even been used against him.
They were apparently fairly friendly with eachother, even during the campaign. McCain just had to keep his distance a bit to keep the Sarah Palin lot happy, if I remember correctly.
Didn't the West Wing have enough money in the wardrobe budget to properly dress the actors for the Al Smith Dinner? The Dinner is a full dress (white tie and tails) affair, NOT black tie.
My thoughts exactly.
After season 4, there were a lot of slip ups. Still a good show, just with not as much attention to detail. It’s like the best possible fan fiction.
Vinnick won the campaign and was going to win the election if not for a nuclear meltdown. The show was funny because it showed Josh and Santos as some master campaigners, but they were getting crushed right until the fire at the nuclear plant.
Which was exacerbated by the debate. If Vinnick hadn't been quoted as saying nuclear energy was completely safe, he would have been better off. In presidential campaigns, it's often one issue late in the campaign that destroys you.
Actually, Alda's character Vinnick was supposed to win the election, but after the death of John Spencer, the writers felt that it wasn't fair to hit the Democrats with both the death of Leo and the loss of the election, so they made Santos win.
Josh took a guy no one knew and got him the Democrat nomination. That’s pretty good campaigning
@@jasonchambers1679 Yep, and there's evidence of that in the 2022 elections. Republicans very well could have taken the House by a wide margin had they not jumped the gun on abortion after the Dobbs v. Jackson decision. Had they waited until 2023 or negotiated with Democrats, they could have gotten a bigger majority. Instead, they are one or two seats away from losing control at any moment during the 118th Congress.
I dont think the show was ever supposed to continue to a new President. Remember Rocky lost in the first movie and the Indians lost in playoffs in Major League. I think getting the nomination is where it was meant to end.
What I find funny is that they did in five minutes what their staff could not do in two months. I think this was the last time they were left unattended as they clearly cannot be trusted.
I think that was an accident. Both sides' staffs left them where they were on their way to the stage. Both sides so wrapped up in their work that they hadn't noticed they left the candidates side by side alone for a minute. Everybody's thinking ahead to the dinner, including the candidates. It's why neither side said anything at first. It's funny...if the pro-lifers hadn't run that ad, if Santos didn't have anything to complain to Vinick about, if that conversation didn't happen...would there have been a debate?
This show writers and creator were genius.
By this point, the show creator who wrote the first four seasons (Aaron Sorkin) had left. It was still good, but the dialog had lots some of its snap, and there was a lot less humor. (When I re-watched the show a couple of years ago, the change in tone after season four was pretty striking.)
@@davebartholome2924 That's true, but it was kind of like Steve Young taking over for Joe Montana. The dropoff was not precipitous, and the successors were still Hall of Famers.
I remember Orin Hatch and Ted Kennedy hitting the Sunday Morning News shows- going at it respectfully but with strong beliefs...then go out for lunch. They were friends and in the end wanted to work together for the nation. Russ Feingold and John McCain..Bob Dole and everyone :) even other Republicans....I miss it.
The Obama debates with McCain and Romney-just 14 and 10 years ago, respectively, seem almost quaint by today's standards-or lack thereof.
Considering it was the last season, all the location shooting they had to do, and guest stars like Alan Alda not coming cheap, my guess is . . . No.
alan alda just wow what a character
Would they have agreed on a debate if either one of them thought they wouldn't win it.
Sadly, this year we won’t see both candidates at the Al Smith dinner. Our politics continue to devolve further and further.
I really wish they had stuck with their original plan and had Vinnick win and offer Santos Secretary of Education. It would've made so much more sense. After eight years of Democratic President the American people usually want a shift in tone
LordOfNothingreally, its proberbly because of John spencer death.
They've said that's why they let Santos win.
@@christosioannou9628 Actually, I believe they've said that they were always planning on having Santos win - they simply wrote the other ending in case it leaked: They could leak both, and muddy the waters.
“Oh I’m just getting started “ and the sly smile? Santos knew he’d just wrapped up the presidency!
Feb of 2021 - RIP Republican Party.
If reality was like this, I wouldn't care who won, they're both good men...the rest takes care of itself...
I think this sentiment would have ten thousand likes by now... if it didn't hurt so much.
Notice how Vinick walks all the way up to Santos. Santos doesn't take a step. The subtlety is beautiful.
Nope.
Watch it again. Vinnick is the one that starts walking first, then Santos starts walking. They literally meet in the middle. And if it matters to you, Santos is the one that spoke first, before Vinnick turned and started walking towards him.
Are you trying to apply your partisan political agenda to a fictional 20 year old TV show?
_Game of Thrones_ is more realistic than _The West Wing._
Gotta say tho, as a leftist I was rooting for Alan Alda's character. One of my favorite characters on the show. He played him brilliantly. Of course, people like him don't exist in the real world.
They do, but if they want to be Republican nominees then they have to tow the party line.
John McCain to name one
@@luqas99 *Toe* the party line. As in, stand up and put your toe on the line to indicate your agreement to participate. You lose all credibility when you make simple mistakes like this.
A show about dragons and magic is more realistic than _The West Wing_ ? I don't know what you're smoking, but I'd put it down if I were you...
@@lancer525 In your mind, maybe, but I can live with that.
Secret service would never , ever , ever bring their person through a kitchen unless it was totally deserted and cleared and secured. In this case , where they needed a green room, they would have a place prepared . Also, at the al smith dinner, the participants on the Dais are actually seated first and then announced. presidential candidates are the two major speakers, but there are others .
But then they couldn't have created this scene.
Maybe the kitchen staff are secret service?
I remember the first time I saw a segment of the Al Smith Dinner. It was Bush talking about himself, and Michael Moore tried to make it look as if he was joking not about himself, but about the poor, and as if this was a dinner for evil corporate republican cronies. Hillary Clinton and Al Gore were in the room, and it was a catholic charity dinner. Gore and Bush both tried to appear arrogant just for laughs, with each of them cleverly joking about himself.
This is quite a career change for Hawkeye.
Actually, M*A*S*H only reveals that Hawkeye is against war which a lot of Republicans were and still are. Also, a person's politics change as they get older. Until I was 23, 24, I thought universal basic income was pie-in-the-sky thinking. Getting close to 26, my thoughts on that changed after researching it. The same can be true of Hawkeye. In the first few seasons, he was just going through the motions. Then, in the 10th season, he writes a letter to Truman on the atrocities he witnessed.
@@partyguy101ify Well, I agree with you ... universal basic income isn't pie in the sky. It's a realistic approach to our current situation.
@@partyguy101ify Hawk mentions several times he was a liberal Democrat.
@@Sizey3 Having rewatched the show, I see that.
If only.
Channeling my inner Sam Cooke: "What a wonderful world it would be!"🎶
It has to be annoying for the kitchen staff with all these "hiding in the kitchen"-things.
They're like "hey, we work here".
David Carter
Politics the way it should be.
From what I know of American politics, a Democrat senator from Texas and a Republican senator from California for presidential candidate seems very unlikely.
in the show story, Santos is a member of the US House from Texas 18th.
I don't know if they were predicting Obama vs. McCain in 2008, but that is precisely what they did.
It’s a white tie event.
Isn't Al Smith white tie?
Because they are real men
I would love to see a presidential debate with only 'I', 'my', 'we' and 'our' answers.
Vinick was the better man, and I am a lifelong bleeding heart liberal...
Both were good. Vinick was better by policy, but Santos had better presence. Neither fell short of the Office.
Complete contrast to the reality of Presidential elections, where we're trying to find which slime isn't the absolute bottom of the barrel.
If only….
Last video of Rebel leader Bail Organa before the destruction of Alderaan.
So nice...
What do you mean?
And after they agreed to a clean debate and campaign, Vinick was supposed to destroy Santos.
Wonder why.
Fantasy series years before Game of Thrones.
Imagine Trump and Clinton meeting like this
No, I'm okay, thanks
How do you imagine anyone making Bush look any dumber than he did himself. Not possible.
This comment didn't age well, sadly.
In the real world, a Republican like Vinnick would wipe the floor with a Democrat like Santos.
Thats because in the real world people like Vinick left the Republican Party during the civil rights movement
you’re probably right, but Vinick wouldn’t be a Republican in the real world
This wouldn't happen because Vinnick is a principled person and that is no longer allowed in the Republican Party.
@kevaninthe4135 And current moderate principles are allowed in the Democratic party? Hell they're even saying Bill Maher is now Nazi.
Just could never put a woman in there as candidate could you, Sorkin. Jesus.
This screams McCain v Obama debates
yeah yeah, nobody cares dude...