I would have thought that for a totally fair review, you should have used 3 brand new saws, the blade on the Bacho could have just been blunted through much more use.
I had the exact same experience with my saws. The bahco sits on the shelf, and I take a FIXED BLADE silky with me every time! Fixed blade saw with a curved blade is the fastest and easiest saw I have ever found.
I upgraded to the opinel n18 last year and I'm glad I did. It was either that or a budget saw that cost less than half the price because I was buying from a local shop that had limited options. Regardless, the opinel has served me well since I've had it. No issues so far.
I would love to see you guys doing an out of the box brand new saw comparison with these three saws, maybe something to think about for a future episode when you have more funding or get the saw makers to each send you one to test fully.
I've got the Silky Pocketboy for the odd bit of pruning around the home, and it's a breeze to go through branches with. Not too surprised that the Gomboy did so well, but I was pleased to see the Opinel perform an admirable second. I love their folders.
Love this great channel. Smooth Gefixt. I don’t even know what that means...but I like it. There’s a great atmosphere to these videos. Quite relaxing even for us non-bushmen types.
Great video. I have not heard of the big opinel, I have a small folding knife they make and love it. I have both the bahco and the silky. I like both of them, both have advantages and disadvantages. When I want to cut something in my yard I grab the silky most of the time. It cuts a little faster and a little easier. When I go backpacking I always take my bahco. It is lighter and way more durable if I'm miles in the woods I want the saw that will hold vs saving a few strokes per cut. But I like them both, great saws.
You're Dutch but have almost Irish infliction on certain words: thinner "tinner". Interesting Edit: just read that one of you is based in Ireland. That explains it then.
Nice one James. currently the bahco is still as blunt as ever. The opinel actually broke a little bit.. There's a rollpin holding the blade in the open position and with all the use and abuse it got, the rollpin bend and broke.. easy enough fix but it will show that it really is a 'pruning saw' as advertised and not a big (10cm+) diameter dry firewood processor .. Still recommend it tho!:) Cheers. Dylan
Thanks for the video. I guess that, in the end, all three accomplished the job properly. When you are in the woods, sawing a piece of wood is more a steady-constant action than a against-the-clock thing. The Opinel saw is pretty, but, for me, it would be my third option. I would probably go for the lowest price first (Bahco) or, having the money, for the Gomboy...or WTF, having the money, I'd buy the three of them! .
Hey onipise! Good to see that you understand the reality vs timed/video! Thanks for leaving a comment, we appreciate it alot! When it comes to tools, i always think that you get what you pay for, so paying a bit more will probbably pay off on the long run! Still the bahco is more than a cheap saw! All the best, Dylan
The Bahco already has two years of use? I've never found myself rushing in the bush to cut wood. The Bahco is the lightest, has a locking blade, a small leather strap, and a coated blade to prevent rust. It's also the least expensive, and safe in a pack. I backpack a lot on the Pacific crest Trail. I'm going with the Bahco. Great reviews guys. Edit: name brand.
Yes two years used, about the same as the opinel;) Also myself, still going with the Bahco, no necessity to upgrade for now. A descent saw for the reasons you just named there!:) + it's superb durability. Maybe, I'll try sharpen my Bahco it in the near future. Thanks for you great comment! Enjoy your trips, Julius
Smooth Gefixt the blade for the bahco is designed for cutting different things, bone, plastic, wood, etc. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Bahco sells blades that will cut every bit as good as a silky.
I have bad shoulders. the silky saws are my pick. not only do I use them for camping I use them for trimming the trees in my yard. that makes the prices of the silky saw line worth it. I have the bigboy 2000 xl & the katana boy 500. i use the least amount of energy using the silky. at the end of a hard day I want the least amount of wear and tear on my body. the silky saws I own do the work:) great video...subbed.
I ordered a Opinel after watching this. I love Opinel and thought it was really cool that they released a folding saw like this. I used it for about an hour to break down some brush for a bon fire. The tip of my saw also broke off. I don’t believe I could have done anything different or better in terms of how I was using it. Kind of a bummer.
I've got Bbacho, I brought the silky, way better at cutting by far. Then I was given an Opinel saw (the smaller No 12) I love it. Nice wood handle, salvage cutter within its blade length, much more "bushcrafty" So I'm same as you guys, Silky is a cutting machine! Opinel is gorgeous and good cutter. The Bacho is a tough bargain. Take your choice:-)
That's untrue, the only thing a silly saw is better at doing is draining the wallet, I've had to replace 3 broken blades and out of pocket for one blade would be as much as buying one and a half Laplander saws but in my case my friendly vendor just gave me extra blades for free.. The only thing by far is that the Bahco is by far more durable. The saws all cut about the same and if you're really worried about cutting speed then use a proper wood saw, a buck-saw not a pruning saw Lol
This is a very thorough and good review, thank you. A new subscriber here, from the UK, after seeing Julius in the collaboration video with Tom from the Fandabidozi channel 🇬🇧
Bahco pruning saw for a fixed blade. Still sharp after 2 years of cutting. Best folding saw I've used us the Kershaw Taskmaster. I'll have to compare these to a Silky.
I'm watching your videos over again from oldest to newest (it will be my 3rd time for many!). I have the Bahco. I am pretty sure I bought it after seeing this video I don't recall, but maybe you did another test or said something later on about the Bahco faring poorly only because it is worn out. In any case, I have been quite happy with mine, and even got one for my father for Christmas last year, with the Mora Companion lookalike of course! :)
Not quite. Here's the correction Opinel looks most traditional and with it stylish, Silky is most expensive and weakest, Bahco is easily the most durable, effective and obviously best priced.. Cutting ability they are about the same all around.
@@1stcSOLDIER I wouldn't exactly say the Silky is weakest, especially when it was actually the Opinel that had the blade tip break off. If you use it properly you're not putting much effort into the sawing so treating it correctly it doesn't matter so much that it's technically less durable than the Bahco. If you were budget minded, the Bahco is a fine choice, but the Silky is far more effective imho, faster with less effort, so if you can afford the difference and intend to saw a lot while you're out bushcrafting it's a wise choice, maybe not enough to upgrade from a Bahco you're happy with but if you didn't have either I'd recommend the Silky. Not going to saw much and want to save money and weight, then the Bahco is maybe the most sensible choice.
I've had my Opinel No 18 saw for a few years, and the blade teeth cut well and quickly for my needs in keeping the Kudzu vines at bay! BUT the factory blade locking "hollow" steel cross pin needs an upgrade at the factory! The lockup was always a bit light and allowed the blade to move a little "up & down" because the hollow stop pin would flex. A few days ago the hollow pin finally snapped, making the saw unusable. (the blade would face the sky when any pressure was applied :-( I decided to upgrade mine to how the factory should be making them. This isn't a cheap saw to begin with, ...so make it STRONGER to begin with! After punching out the (now) 2 pieces of the original "hollow" stop pin, I fitted a SOLID piece of Stainless Steel rod. Carbon steel scrap, or even a piece of drill bit shaft material in proper diameter could also be used, ...but I had some scrap SS rod that just needed a little taken off the diameter. Aim for a snug fit but not so tight you could crack the wood. After mine was tapped in with a brass mallet, I ground down the ends to match the contour of the handle. NOW the lockup is rock solid, and the blade doesn't flex up or down in use. Opinel,.... if you're listening do it this way going forward, ......Please :-)
That's exactlly what happened to Dylans opinel (it broke even on video: ultimate cutting tool battle), defenitly structural issue with the saw. Dylan did exactly the same with a drill bit;) Cool, to hear your similar experience and yeah let the word be spread to opinel. Atb!
@@SmoothGefixt Hi,...yes, thanks for the search info and I found the video you mentioned. The saw breaking happens shortly after this point in the video: ua-cam.com/video/qtLV2Vyg2Ic/v-deo.html I wanted some footage showing how hard the saw was being used "before" the break. (two handed cutting in this case) On a freezing cold night trying to cut wood quickly to warm someone who broke through the ice, heavier blade pressure might be used. You definitely don't want your saw to do this! If my life depended on the Opinel No 18 saw this weakness would be a deal breaker,...initially anyway. But knowing what I do now, if I ever lose it I would buy another one since they cut so well and quickly. However, I would IMMEDIATELY replace the hollow stop pin with a solid steel one! I'd advise ANY owners of these otherwise fine saws to do the same. :-)
Cool comparison! I've used all 3 of these but I have a 4th competitor, the Silky F180. It's even lighter than the Laplander at 150 grams and because the handle is a bit flatter it is way more comfortable to carry in your pocket. It has become my go-to folding saw for when I'm out and about now. I have the one with the red handle which has the largest teeth of the two versions. Cheers!
The 'good looking' opinel, with it's blade design very well performing indeed. With the blade being thin you can't however win on all points... 'durability'. Fair enough. Thanks for you comments, my friend. Julius
@@SmoothGefixt I was surprised by the thinness of the blade when I first got it. If you're stupid with it when sawing, you might end up snapping the blade because of how easily it bends. At least in comparison with the laplander.
That is great to hear man! with the beautiful design and excellent performance you can't go wrong. I have recently made a leather belt sheath for it so it is even more practical. remember that it is a pull-cut blade so take your time at the start, until you get used to the motion. Thanks for the reaction and all the best! Cheers, Dylan
Nice test guys. I was looking for a cheap folding saw and I was very successful at Husqvarna 220mm (10 € - Czech Republic). It is far faster than the Laplander. Have you already tried it?
In europe, there are pruning saws for sale at DIY stores of the brand "gardena". When you look at the back of the pack, the 'contact/support' info lists husqvarna. Appearantly the gardena saws are just rebranded husqvarna. Might be interesting to know :)
The Husqvarna is an excellent saw also, so is my older Stihl folding saw. But the Laplander is just so good for durability and that is what is important for "bushcraft"
I don't understand these speed tests. The true measure of the tool is how many calories you burned for the task. A count of blade strokes necessary to complete the task would be more relevant. So far I've gone Silky because of how many calories of work it saves me physically. I'm not usually as worried about speed.
bow saw is nearly always bigger/heavier.. but with better performance i guess.. hack saws are not really efficient vs wood.. ;) so all in all i guess its its own category with weight/size vs cutting power and accuracy
Hi, guys, I think it depends on how much you actually use a saw.. If you carry it in your bag and only use it once in a while, then light weight is paramount, with low cost the next important consideration. ! Anyway, great comparison video,. All the best,, John,
That's an interesting point you bring up their! The Laplander will be your pick then, I recon;) Which is definitely a good pick, depending on what you're doing with it, as you say yourself. Thank a lot for your input!:) Julius
Smooth Gefixt, yep, had a laplander in my bag for a few years now,. It's perfect for me,,. A silky saw would be an expensive luxury, (and heavy,) cheers, guys,,
I really like how you guys did the test. I would say it is a bit unfair to use a used saw. But I totally understand use what you have. I personally use a corona it will beat a silky and it's tougher and much better priced. The one that would be my second would be the openial. Mostly because replacing the blade is cheap. I've never had luck sharpening a saw blade. They seem to lose their temper when they dull. I can make them screaming sharp which lasts for like 1 log and it's dull ( might be exaggeration/ but not by much) lol Still a oldie but goodie
Thanks Eat-Sleep-Prep! We expect the direction of this channel not to be focused much on specific reviews, but we might do some practical challenge with certain gear, while we can give a little review about this gear. Hope you like that. We take note of your input. Thanks !:) Cheers, Julius
Hey great effective review. I went to purchase the Silky and found out that it comes with large or medium teeth. You didn't address this in the vid. What's the difference? Thanks
You probably worked this out by now but just in case....as a rule smaller teeth are for cutting across the grain ( most cuts you would make are. Cross cuts) and large teeth are for rip cuts along the grain (you're unlikely to be doing this as you'd probably use an axe to split)
All Opinel knives CAN be locked in closed position, with the same Virobloc® system you mentioned, which has a cutout for this very purpose on the botten of the metal ring
Seems like the difference between the Opinel and the Silky comes down to whichever you can get in your area. I went Silky, but from this it seems that the Opinel would be just as valid. Only potential downside that I can see, Opinel has a wooden handle that's maybe more likely to have water problems in the long term? No worse than an axe handle though, I guess. Oil it and it'll stay good forever.
Well I haven't broken an Opinel pruning blade or Laplander blade however for the silly saw I have broke 3 blades within 5 months of usage. All under the same heavy use.
Great job The blade of the banco the blade will not snap I n coals Canada climat silky and opinel will brake but not the bahco also you can learn to use a saw that cut on pull and push thank you
Thank you for being honest about the age of the saws, however the age factor completely negates any results. Any fair side-by-side review should start on even ground otherwise it’s a waste of time.
I think we all know that Silky makes the best folding saws, but there is nothing wrong with Bacho for the money (when sharp). That said, if you want to buy one saw and you're not worried about weight, the Gomboy is the one you want.
Perhaps a Silky is a few seconds faster but will break very easily in pieces while a Laplander only will bend. so do the math if you alone in the woods depending on it
The problem with both silky and opinel is the brittle steel. It breaks so fast. Laplander however does not, and thats why the saw is more durable and more fited in a survival setting.
You can’t go wrong with these name brands but some knockoffs are good and some are bad so be careful with those. Imo they all work well but I’ve had knockoffs that get dull or bent easily. I’d rather have a saw that can stand up to abuse and last longer. My main brands are samurai, and silky. The Laplander seems good but I only just started using it. People seem to love them though. It seems good so far, time will tell.
theoretically you could. You would however need some tools to make it (a drill and another saw). might be better off spending resources on something like a bucksaw, if you catch my drift;) Thanks for commenting and take care! Dylan & Julius
Try the Silky F-180. Its about the cheapest Silky I could find. It does have a plastic construction and I find the large teeth make it slightly difficult to start a cut. But once its going it cuts really well and has held up so far.
Steven, im going to use my opinel till there are no teeth left on it! which hopefully will take a while;) Thanks for your suggestion but i think i might get the bigger non foldable pruning saw like the Silky Sugoi or something, for more durability/cutting power. Pricey tho!! Take care, Dylan
Thanks for your comment. Replace the blade? Nevertheless, the bahco and the opinel endured about the same wear. We have used them for over two years. Still a fair comparison, I would say? Cheers, Julius
you made a statement that the Bahlco had used or quite sometime and there fore the blade might have dulled a bit....That would make the test unfair.....all saws should have been new.
Bushcraft Beats! The Original idea behind this video, was to compare the laplander with the opinel! which is also 2 years old! we had the chance to add a brand new silky to the comparison and we decided to do so. of course this is not fair, but it gives you extra info. The 2 year old opinel wasn't a lot slower than a brand new silky, for example! We would like to get the silky back in 2 years and look at it again! Thanks for commenting! Cheers, Dylan & Julius
I got you, sorry about that, I heard about the Opinel's age after I made this comment X( I guess the final redeeming qualities of the laplander are that the blade is more durable/less prone to snapping, it can be resharpened and it is cheaper. I think we'll pick up a Silky at some point, just to make sawing that much easier, but will always have the laplander if the Silky's blade snaps. Enjoying your channel, waiting for more!
Rightful conclusion you bring up there, I would say. Thanks a lot!:) Then there is still also the opinel wich deserves a place;) A fast saw (of the same magnitude as the silky), with fancy classical look, but might lack a little bit behind in durability compared to the other two. Your support is much appreciated! Julius
Imo the bacho is actually better in a bug out bag. Its more durable in using on hardwoods on trees in My area of the the US. O lf course silky are better fast cutting. But when processing lots of harder wood in a group bug out situation as your silky saw has a broken blade and as long as you've a good blade stick sharpener in your b.o.b and you know hoe to use and sharpen a saw the bahco is truly IMHO better. Ive seen silky saws snap after a few cuts through a piece of softer to medium hard wood. A sharp bahco that you can use for year's without breaking is essential much better. A longer lasting piece of good steel that stays sharp and can be sharpened as well as doesn't snap or break in years of use is again in my experience of cutting down and apart for fire wood and bone for hunting or processing rabit or squirl cutting through hard thick or strong bone VS just wood I'd imho highly recommend the bahco. It just takes getting used to and not cutting at a horizontal angle. You need to angle it diagonally. I've seen people do that with a new bahco. Again that's just IMO
I'm a Silky fanboy. I first discovered Japanese pull saws in 1990 & although I own several traditional western type saws, the Japanese saws are always my first go to choice. They used to be very affordable but are almost prohibitively expensive now. Perhaps the price is compensated by the speed & ease of use though.
Opinel is definitely the most beautiful. Silky is a beast. Honestly I go out with a silky zubat because it just eats logs and I don’t mind the weight as aids multiple people.
I would have thought that for a totally fair review, you should have used 3 brand new saws, the blade on the Bacho could have just been blunted through much more use.
could have at least sharpened them
opinel was also as old
I had the exact same experience with my saws. The bahco sits on the shelf, and I take a FIXED BLADE silky with me every time! Fixed blade saw with a curved blade is the fastest and easiest saw I have ever found.
I upgraded to the opinel n18 last year and I'm glad I did. It was either that or a budget saw that cost less than half the price because I was buying from a local shop that had limited options. Regardless, the opinel has served me well since I've had it. No issues so far.
Excellent video guys! Thanks for all the extra effort a video requires just to share it with us. I think I would go for the Bahco personally.
I would love to see you guys doing an out of the box brand new saw comparison with these three saws, maybe something to think about for a future episode when you have more funding or get the saw makers to each send you one to test fully.
This is a perfect test and user video which includes price, weight, speed etc. Appreciate that effort.
I've got the Silky Pocketboy for the odd bit of pruning around the home, and it's a breeze to go through branches with. Not too surprised that the Gomboy did so well, but I was pleased to see the Opinel perform an admirable second. I love their folders.
You definitely made some good buying choices;) Opinel & Bahco join in aswell, shining on their specific qualities. Thanks for commenting!:) Julius
Love this great channel. Smooth Gefixt. I don’t even know what that means...but I like it. There’s a great atmosphere to these videos. Quite relaxing even for us non-bushmen types.
Great video. I have not heard of the big opinel, I have a small folding knife they make and love it.
I have both the bahco and the silky. I like both of them, both have advantages and disadvantages. When I want to cut something in my yard I grab the silky most of the time. It cuts a little faster and a little easier. When I go backpacking I always take my bahco. It is lighter and way more durable if I'm miles in the woods I want the saw that will hold vs saving a few strokes per cut. But I like them both, great saws.
very sensible (y)
The lap may take longer to cut but it's stronger and reliable as the silky blades snap when you need them most, take both with you!
You're Dutch but have almost Irish infliction on certain words: thinner "tinner". Interesting Edit: just read that one of you is based in Ireland. That explains it then.
Also, some of of us just never mastered the ‘th’ sound 😂
I'm in love with the Opinel! also made a video about it. Nice comparison guys! greetings from Germany
Excellent review, well done gentlemen.
Always liked my opined no. 8 knife and the beechwood handles.
Good just waiting for delivery of my Silky 210 curved. Thanks good vid
Great video and I enjoyed your debate and discussion at the end. Seemed like a very fair test. Thanks from U.S.
Nice one James. currently the bahco is still as blunt as ever. The opinel actually broke a little bit.. There's a rollpin holding the blade in the open position and with all the use and abuse it got, the rollpin bend and broke.. easy enough fix but it will show that it really is a 'pruning saw' as advertised and not a big (10cm+) diameter dry firewood processor .. Still recommend it tho!:) Cheers. Dylan
Thanks for the video. I guess that, in the end, all three accomplished the job properly. When you are in the woods, sawing a piece of wood is more a steady-constant action than a against-the-clock thing. The Opinel saw is pretty, but, for me, it would be my third option. I would probably go for the lowest price first (Bahco) or, having the money, for the Gomboy...or WTF, having the money, I'd buy the three of them! .
Hey onipise!
Good to see that you understand the reality vs timed/video! Thanks for leaving a comment, we appreciate it alot!
When it comes to tools, i always think that you get what you pay for, so paying a bit more will probbably pay off on the long run! Still the bahco is more than a cheap saw!
All the best, Dylan
No doubt Dylan, the Laplander is a work horse with great durability.
The Bahco already has two years of use? I've never found myself rushing in the bush to cut wood. The Bahco is the lightest, has a locking blade, a small leather strap, and a coated blade to prevent rust. It's also the least expensive, and safe in a pack. I backpack a lot on the Pacific crest Trail. I'm going with the Bahco. Great reviews guys. Edit: name brand.
Yes two years used, about the same as the opinel;) Also myself, still going with the Bahco, no necessity to upgrade for now. A descent saw for the reasons you just named there!:) + it's superb durability. Maybe, I'll try sharpen my Bahco it in the near future. Thanks for you great comment! Enjoy your trips, Julius
Smooth Gefixt the blade for the bahco is designed for cutting different things, bone, plastic, wood, etc. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Bahco sells blades that will cut every bit as good as a silky.
Well not to mention the replacement blade cost is a massive difference. Silly saws are just that.
I have bad shoulders. the silky saws are my pick. not only do I use them for camping I use them for trimming the trees in my yard. that makes the prices of the silky saw line worth it. I have the bigboy 2000 xl & the katana boy 500. i use the least amount of energy using the silky. at the end of a hard day I want the least amount of wear and tear on my body. the silky saws I own do the work:) great video...subbed.
Thanks for sharing your experience:) Great pick: 'the silkies'! Wish you good health! Julius
Great content fellas! Seriously needs more views.
Goodday Forest walker!
Thanks for the reaction and kind words ! We agree on the views part, spread the word ;)
take care, Dylan
I ordered a Opinel after watching this. I love Opinel and thought it was really cool that they released a folding saw like this. I used it for about an hour to break down some brush for a bon fire. The tip of my saw also broke off. I don’t believe I could have done anything different or better in terms of how I was using it. Kind of a bummer.
hmm sucks!
I've got Bbacho, I brought the silky, way better at cutting by far. Then I was given an Opinel saw (the smaller No 12) I love it. Nice wood handle, salvage cutter within its blade length, much more "bushcrafty"
So I'm same as you guys, Silky is a cutting machine! Opinel is gorgeous and good cutter. The Bacho is a tough bargain. Take your choice:-)
Well said, man! Cool to hear we have the same experience with saws:)
That's untrue, the only thing a silly saw is better at doing is draining the wallet, I've had to replace 3 broken blades and out of pocket for one blade would be as much as buying one and a half Laplander saws but in my case my friendly vendor just gave me extra blades for free.. The only thing by far is that the Bahco is by far more durable. The saws all cut about the same and if you're really worried about cutting speed then use a proper wood saw, a buck-saw not a pruning saw Lol
Would you suggest the Opinel No 12? Would the size compromise much of its use compared to the Laplander?
Silky for me
This is a very thorough and good review, thank you. A new subscriber here, from the UK, after seeing Julius in the collaboration video with Tom from the Fandabidozi channel 🇬🇧
Bahco pruning saw for a fixed blade. Still sharp after 2 years of cutting. Best folding saw I've used us the Kershaw Taskmaster. I'll have to compare these to a Silky.
I'm watching your videos over again from oldest to newest (it will be my 3rd time for many!). I have the Bahco. I am pretty sure I bought it after seeing this video I don't recall, but maybe you did another test or said something later on about the Bahco faring poorly only because it is worn out. In any case, I have been quite happy with mine, and even got one for my father for Christmas last year, with the Mora Companion lookalike of course! :)
Instead of measuring cutting time, you could compare the number of strokes each saw used to get through the wood.
Opinel looks best, Silky works best, Bahco is cheapest.
Those are the choices! ☺
Not quite. Here's the correction Opinel looks most traditional and with it stylish, Silky is most expensive and weakest, Bahco is easily the most durable, effective and obviously best priced.. Cutting ability they are about the same all around.
@@1stcSOLDIER I wouldn't exactly say the Silky is weakest, especially when it was actually the Opinel that had the blade tip break off. If you use it properly you're not putting much effort into the sawing so treating it correctly it doesn't matter so much that it's technically less durable than the Bahco.
If you were budget minded, the Bahco is a fine choice, but the Silky is far more effective imho, faster with less effort, so if you can afford the difference and intend to saw a lot while you're out bushcrafting it's a wise choice, maybe not enough to upgrade from a Bahco you're happy with but if you didn't have either I'd recommend the Silky.
Not going to saw much and want to save money and weight, then the Bahco is maybe the most sensible choice.
Good video, thanks for the additional saw comparison.
I've had my Opinel No 18 saw for a few years, and the blade teeth cut well and quickly for my needs in keeping the Kudzu vines at bay! BUT the factory blade locking "hollow" steel cross pin needs an upgrade at the factory! The lockup was always a bit light and allowed the blade to move a little "up & down" because the hollow stop pin would flex. A few days ago the hollow pin finally snapped, making the saw unusable. (the blade would face the sky when any pressure was applied :-(
I decided to upgrade mine to how the factory should be making them. This isn't a cheap saw to begin with, ...so make it STRONGER to begin with! After punching out the (now) 2 pieces of the original "hollow" stop pin, I fitted a SOLID piece of Stainless Steel rod. Carbon steel scrap, or even a piece of drill bit shaft material in proper diameter could also be used, ...but I had some scrap SS rod that just needed a little taken off the diameter. Aim for a snug fit but not so tight you could crack the wood. After mine was tapped in with a brass mallet, I ground down the ends to match the contour of the handle. NOW the lockup is rock solid, and the blade doesn't flex up or down in use. Opinel,.... if you're listening do it this way going forward, ......Please :-)
That's exactlly what happened to Dylans opinel (it broke even on video: ultimate cutting tool battle), defenitly structural issue with the saw. Dylan did exactly the same with a drill bit;) Cool, to hear your similar experience and yeah let the word be spread to opinel. Atb!
@@SmoothGefixt Hi,...yes, thanks for the search info and I found the video you mentioned. The saw breaking happens shortly after this point in the video:
ua-cam.com/video/qtLV2Vyg2Ic/v-deo.html
I wanted some footage showing how hard the saw was being used "before" the break. (two handed cutting in this case) On a freezing cold night trying to cut wood quickly to warm someone who broke through the ice, heavier blade pressure might be used. You definitely don't want your saw to do this!
If my life depended on the Opinel No 18 saw this weakness would be a deal breaker,...initially anyway. But knowing what I do now, if I ever lose it I would buy another one since they cut so well and quickly. However, I would IMMEDIATELY replace the hollow stop pin with a solid steel one! I'd advise ANY owners of these otherwise fine saws to do the same. :-)
@@josephtousignant7318 Would the No 12 compromise a lot of its usability due to size? Cheers
thanks for the great video :) keep warm
I choose the opinel. The wooden handle is extra fuel when you absolutely need it🤣
Whouwh XD
Runze Zheng foolishness
i cant tell if this is a joke
That's a great point. If you have no other source of tinder, shave some of the handle off to gry your fire started.
Superb test
jullie maken echt leuke video's keep on the good work!!!
Thanks Lowie!! Glad you like em!!:) Cheers, Dylan
nice video!
the Opinel nr18 is about 40 Euro in Europe, where you saw it for 13?
Maybe that was just the replacement blade?
@@SmoothGefixt ok
Really liking your guys channel as a new sub, cheers from the Caribbean guys.
Thanks Caribbean Guy, thats a much better name than: thisisaprett..waytoolong!
Stay tuned;) cheers, Dylan
Leuk filmpje! Nu nog kiezen welke ik koop haha. Zijn jullie Iers Nederlands of Nederlands met beetje Iers accent toevallig?
Cool comparison! I've used all 3 of these but I have a 4th competitor, the Silky F180. It's even lighter than the Laplander at 150 grams and because the handle is a bit flatter it is way more comfortable to carry in your pocket. It has become my go-to folding saw for when I'm out and about now. I have the one with the red handle which has the largest teeth of the two versions. Cheers!
Nice review .
Goed review, mooi camerawerk!
Thanks alot SilkyEurope. The Gomboy surely did its job. ;)
Cheers, Dylan & Julius
The opinel surprised me with how good it preformed
The 'good looking' opinel, with it's blade design very well performing indeed. With the blade being thin you can't however win on all points... 'durability'. Fair enough. Thanks for you comments, my friend. Julius
@@SmoothGefixt I was surprised by the thinness of the blade when I first got it. If you're stupid with it when sawing, you might end up snapping the blade because of how easily it bends. At least in comparison with the laplander.
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Thanks Charlie!
Smooth Gefixt Your Welcome
think Im gonna buy the Opinel saw
That is great to hear man!
with the beautiful design and excellent performance you can't go wrong.
I have recently made a leather belt sheath for it so it is even more practical.
remember that it is a pull-cut blade so take your time at the start, until you get used to the motion.
Thanks for the reaction and all the best! Cheers, Dylan
Nice test guys. I was looking for a cheap folding saw and I was very successful at Husqvarna 220mm (10 € - Czech Republic). It is far faster than the Laplander. Have you already tried it?
Haven't used that saw, but Husqvarna definitely be a reputable brand. Thanks for the recommendation & support mate!
In europe, there are pruning saws for sale at DIY stores of the brand "gardena". When you look at the back of the pack, the 'contact/support' info lists husqvarna. Appearantly the gardena saws are just rebranded husqvarna. Might be interesting to know :)
The Husqvarna is an excellent saw also, so is my older Stihl folding saw. But the Laplander is just so good for durability and that is what is important for "bushcraft"
7:07 did it just go from relatively light, to complete darkness in 3 seconds? Or is that some editing magic going on? I'm confused
Haha, apparently we needed a lot of takes and then the darkness fell:p
They ration sunshine in Europe now.
great video! subscribed!
Thanks James!:)
I don't understand these speed tests. The true measure of the tool is how many calories you burned for the task. A count of blade strokes necessary to complete the task would be more relevant. So far I've gone Silky because of how many calories of work it saves me physically. I'm not usually as worried about speed.
Fair point, however in general 'the more speed, the more efficient' would apply;)
Woohoo great job and information gentlemen 😇!!! I subscribed to your channel blessings!!
Thanks Mr Six Gunz and welcome to the channel!! Let us know your reactions on the video's to come! Cheers, Dylan
How do these folding saws compare to a hack saw or bow saw of similar weight?
bow saw is nearly always bigger/heavier.. but with better performance i guess.. hack saws are not really efficient vs wood.. ;) so all in all i guess its its own category with weight/size vs cutting power and accuracy
Why do ppl never put the links in the description
I got a Gomboy 270 can't put it to bloody second setting for some reason!
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Found out 270 doesn't have two setting, just one lock. Thanks for replying.
Hi, guys, I think it depends on how much you actually use a saw.. If you carry it in your bag and only use it once in a while, then light weight is paramount, with low cost the next important consideration. ! Anyway, great comparison video,. All the best,, John,
That's an interesting point you bring up their! The Laplander will be your pick then, I recon;) Which is definitely a good pick, depending on what you're doing with it, as you say yourself. Thank a lot for your input!:) Julius
Smooth Gefixt, yep, had a laplander in my bag for a few years now,. It's perfect for me,,. A silky saw would be an expensive luxury, (and heavy,) cheers, guys,,
I really like how you guys did the test. I would say it is a bit unfair to use a used saw. But I totally understand use what you have. I personally use a corona it will beat a silky and it's tougher and much better priced. The one that would be my second would be the openial. Mostly because replacing the blade is cheap. I've never had luck sharpening a saw blade. They seem to lose their temper when they dull. I can make them screaming sharp which lasts for like 1 log and it's dull ( might be exaggeration/ but not by much) lol
Still a oldie but goodie
great vid, guys... I subbed.
Thank you!
Great video guys 🍻 keep them coming maybe a bushcraft knife review nex
Thanks Eat-Sleep-Prep! We expect the direction of this channel not to be focused much on specific reviews, but we might do some practical challenge with certain gear, while we can give a little review about this gear. Hope you like that. We take note of your input. Thanks !:) Cheers, Julius
Wouu ! Espectacular el canal exelente video ! Muchas gracias ! Supcripto !
Gracias amigo!
How can you compare two new saws with one that is two years old? CONTROLLED VARIABLE FAIL
Try florabest folding saw
I have a bahco and I love it. I have been fairly rough with it and it's held up. I don't intend to replace it, but if I did it would be a silky.
Silly saw blades are quite steeply priced.
I'll use the Fiskars saw. It's great!!!
Hey great effective review. I went to purchase the Silky and found out that it comes with large or medium teeth. You didn't address this in the vid. What's the difference? Thanks
Fair point, I'm sure there is enough info on this online
You probably worked this out by now but just in case....as a rule smaller teeth are for cutting across the grain ( most cuts you would make are. Cross cuts) and large teeth are for rip cuts along the grain (you're unlikely to be doing this as you'd probably use an axe to split)
All Opinel knives CAN be locked in closed position, with the same Virobloc® system you mentioned, which has a cutout for this very purpose on the botten of the metal ring
Seems like the difference between the Opinel and the Silky comes down to whichever you can get in your area. I went Silky, but from this it seems that the Opinel would be just as valid. Only potential downside that I can see, Opinel has a wooden handle that's maybe more likely to have water problems in the long term? No worse than an axe handle though, I guess. Oil it and it'll stay good forever.
Well I haven't broken an Opinel pruning blade or Laplander blade however for the silly saw I have broke 3 blades within 5 months of usage. All under the same heavy use.
Great job The blade of the banco the blade will not snap I n coals Canada climat silky and opinel will brake but not the bahco also you can learn to use a saw that cut on pull and push thank you
Thank you for being honest about the age of the saws, however the age factor completely negates any results. Any fair side-by-side review should start on even ground otherwise it’s a waste of time.
Fair point! Bahco and opinel were atleast the same age. Cheers, Julius
Yes but your Bahco Laplander already had 2 years of use on it.
I think we all know that Silky makes the best folding saws, but there is nothing wrong with Bacho for the money (when sharp). That said, if you want to buy one saw and you're not worried about weight, the Gomboy is the one you want.
I use a 30 year old lennox folding saw that takes reciprocating saw blades way better
Perhaps a Silky is a few seconds faster but will break very easily in pieces while a Laplander only will bend. so do the math if you alone in the woods depending on it
My opinel broke first time out. The lock broke and couldn't keep the blade straight
Well, the Opinel broke and the Bahco is slow even when it is brand new... I’m going with Silky all the way
The problem with both silky and opinel is the brittle steel. It breaks so fast. Laplander however does not, and thats why the saw is more durable and more fited in a survival setting.
The large/coarse tooth Silkys are even a wee bit quicker.
hi,
I have both,for my,opinel 4 bushcraft style,en silky 4 survival style,but goed al
Luigi Francotte wtf is the diff between “bushcraft” & “ survival “ ?
Искал обзоры про пилу опинель. а тут еще и собака - лайк подписка!
You can’t go wrong with these name brands but some knockoffs are good and some are bad so be careful with those. Imo they all work well but I’ve had knockoffs that get dull or bent easily. I’d rather have a saw that can stand up to abuse and last longer. My main brands are samurai, and silky. The Laplander seems good but I only just started using it. People seem to love them though. It seems good so far, time will tell.
But you can make another handle for opinel
theoretically you could. You would however need some tools to make it (a drill and another saw). might be better off spending resources on something like a bucksaw, if you catch my drift;)
Thanks for commenting and take care!
Dylan & Julius
Silky!!
The best test would be sawing fatwood through fatwood!
Guess there is something wrong with that Bacho saw, I have mine for last three years and it still saws much much better than that one.
I'll try out a new blad sone day soon. Cheers, Julius
@@SmoothGefixt Please let us know when you do and what the results are.
Try the Silky F-180. Its about the cheapest Silky I could find. It does have a plastic construction and I find the large teeth make it slightly difficult to start a cut. But once its going it cuts really well and has held up so far.
Steven, im going to use my opinel till there are no teeth left on it! which hopefully will take a while;) Thanks for your suggestion but i think i might get the bigger non foldable pruning saw like the Silky Sugoi or something, for more durability/cutting power. Pricey tho!! Take care, Dylan
you should really use a new bahco!
Thanks for your comment. Replace the blade? Nevertheless, the bahco and the opinel endured about the same wear. We have used them for over two years. Still a fair comparison, I would say? Cheers, Julius
I've used a new silky and bahco and there wasn't a massive noticeable difference I'm the two.
Style, conditionates mojo, and mojo is real important, let's fckin' do this
you made a statement that the Bahlco had used or quite sometime and there fore the blade might have dulled a bit....That would make the test unfair.....all saws should have been new.
Putting a 2 year old laplander vs new saws... Science, blood, look into it!
Bushcraft Beats!
The Original idea behind this video, was to compare the laplander with the opinel! which is also 2 years old!
we had the chance to add a brand new silky to the comparison and we decided to do so. of course this is not fair, but it gives you extra info. The 2 year old opinel wasn't a lot slower than a brand new silky, for example!
We would like to get the silky back in 2 years and look at it again!
Thanks for commenting! Cheers, Dylan & Julius
I got you, sorry about that, I heard about the Opinel's age after I made this comment X( I guess the final redeeming qualities of the laplander are that the blade is more durable/less prone to snapping, it can be resharpened and it is cheaper. I think we'll pick up a Silky at some point, just to make sawing that much easier, but will always have the laplander if the Silky's blade snaps. Enjoying your channel, waiting for more!
Rightful conclusion you bring up there, I would say. Thanks a lot!:) Then there is still also the opinel wich deserves a place;) A fast saw (of the same magnitude as the silky), with fancy classical look, but might lack a little bit behind in durability compared to the other two. Your support is much appreciated! Julius
Yes the silly saw blade will snap under heavy use. If you want sawing to be much easier you'd use a proper wood saw instead of a pruning saw lol....
A brand new Silky against a 2yr old Opinel and a 2yr old Laplander really isn't a fair test and is pretty misleading.
I think, us French, can be prood of the Opinel, one of the best brand of knife in Europe, and a long and nice french suces story
Imo the bacho is actually better in a bug out bag. Its more durable in using on hardwoods on trees in My area of the the US. O lf course silky are better fast cutting. But when processing lots of harder wood in a group bug out situation as your silky saw has a broken blade and as long as you've a good blade stick sharpener in your b.o.b and you know hoe to use and sharpen a saw the bahco is truly IMHO better. Ive seen silky saws snap after a few cuts through a piece of softer to medium hard wood. A sharp bahco that you can use for year's without breaking is essential much better. A longer lasting piece of good steel that stays sharp and can be sharpened as well as doesn't snap or break in years of use is again in my experience of cutting down and apart for fire wood and bone for hunting or processing rabit or squirl cutting through hard thick or strong bone VS just wood I'd imho highly recommend the bahco. It just takes getting used to and not cutting at a horizontal angle. You need to angle it diagonally. I've seen people do that with a new bahco. Again that's just IMO
I'm a Silky fanboy. I first discovered Japanese pull saws in 1990 & although I own several traditional western type saws, the Japanese saws are always my first go to choice. They used to be very affordable but are almost prohibitively expensive now. Perhaps the price is compensated by the speed & ease of use though.
Great to hear your stories & experiences (with the silky's)!. Great saws indeed! You definitely get for what you pay, I think. Cheers, Julius
French thing is not bad at all!
Nah it really isnt! For not a bad price and you get guarantee and nice wooden handle:) cheers. Dylan
Opinel is definitely the most beautiful. Silky is a beast. Honestly I go out with a silky zubat because it just eats logs and I don’t mind the weight as aids multiple people.
I have the opinel, and the locking clip has gone a bit rusty after 2 years in the shed. Disappointing. Obvious not as good quality as the blade
I take my Silky Catanaboy 500 when I go out! It cuts the work in half! But new blades are almost as much as replacement of the whole saw!
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They are not the same length. If we don't take footprint into account, then just use a bowsaw. It will blow all there out of the water.
Apparently the bahco gets better when the coating wears off the teeth.
let's get sawing ouwe
(''Sawing, sawing, weeding-weeding-wagen...'') Thanks for the support Mate!
i used my silky gomboy to cut a 10 inch oak log once it took 40 seconds
That is quick!
@@SmoothGefixt yeah but it was the coarse blade so it could only be expected from such a great brand
Why to cut like you are chased by the bear ? :))
hehehe
Honestly timing is a stupid measure of determine efficiency, as tate is not consistant.