YouTube ruined all my videos - UNLESS you change this setting...

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  • @scotsam7590
    @scotsam7590 День тому +10

    Thanks very much for this Ian. I did not know about the YT change. Stable Volume was enabled when I first played your video. I COULD STILL hear the dynamic range in your example video, but when I disabled it, the range was greater. I can see and appreciate why YT introduced this feature. It's a good idea, but yes, you are right, a more obvious disable feature or default-off is needed.

  • @musicmaniac1949
    @musicmaniac1949 2 дні тому +12

    This is a serious problem for any UA-camrs who serve our audio profession. I played this video and used my spl meter and, even though it is obvious to a blind man, there was roughly a 6db difference between the first and second examples. This is a huge difference and could effectively negate any benefits from audio videos. Thanks for this information.

    • @checktheneck
      @checktheneck День тому

      As a youtuber you can warn about this feature in your video and it won't be a problem

  • @vincepale
    @vincepale День тому +8

    OH wow, that sounds way better. I didn't realize Stable Volume was on, or how heavy the compression was.

  • @alpharisc
    @alpharisc День тому +4

    Stable volume was set to auto for this video on my TV but there was still a large difference with your example. Turning it off certainly made a difference but the dynamics was still similar. Thanks for the video would never have even seen it.

  • @unfa00
    @unfa00 День тому +4

    I suppose the compression is relatively simple because it is probably applied client-side.
    I hope YT will add controls for creators to disable this by default on their channel and allow for changing the default on a per-video basis. I have some taking head videos that I don't mind to be treated this way, but I generally do control the volume rather well on my own, and in videos where I teach sound design etc or test limiters... having this forced on for everyone watching is... suboptimal at best.

  • @fen3184
    @fen3184 2 дні тому +8

    I switched it off on mobile ages ago, but check the setting again every once in a while.
    Today, it was back on again... :(

  • @SilentKnightProductions
    @SilentKnightProductions День тому +1

    Wow! Thanks for finding this. What a difference! (It was "on" when I started watching your video. Kali UNF-LP monitors on my crappy work laptop via BT). Unless this can be set in the video at publishing, it looks like we're back to "master for the media" or adding pads and other noise to the production to mask dynamics changes, and we're back to the loudness wars.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому

      @@SilentKnightProductions I don’t think it’s that bad - remember this isn’t meant to be applied to music. I’m also hopeful they will allow us to get some control, hopefully sooner than later 🤞

  • @DonnDeVoreMusic
    @DonnDeVoreMusic День тому

    I had stable volume turned on and I could hear the difference in the video, it's similar to how radio and TV broadcast sounds with limiting. thanks for bringing awareness to this setting.

  • @makingmusiconline2309
    @makingmusiconline2309 2 години тому

    Yep, I'm on desktop (and HD which I'm told improves sound quality) and stable volume was indeed on ... switched off now. Thank you, Ian! Just watched The Crow Hill company video explaining dynamic range in orchestration and orchestral plug-ins, and of course this stable volume was switched on while he was demonstrating it.

  • @SR1B
    @SR1B 2 дні тому +8

    It’s not been added recently; it’s been there for quite a while, but nobody noticed because Google did not inform us.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  2 дні тому +1

      @@SR1B Right. I’ve known about it for a while and have been hoping they would turn it off by default or allow us to reject it for our channels, but no luck 😕
      Honestly when I first found out about it I was really relieved it didn’t apply to most music and disabled it - it never occurred to me that it would be affecting people watching my videos 🤦‍♂️

    • @SR1B
      @SR1B 2 дні тому

      @@ProductionAdvice Better late than never! 🙂 Maybe you should now add a note on your previous and future videos about that setting. Tedious but…

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  2 дні тому +1

      @@SR1B That’s the trouble, there’s no easy way to do that 😕 I can put a note in the description, but very few people read them…

    • @SR1B
      @SR1B 2 дні тому

      @@ProductionAdvice Maybe edit the thumbnails. And the titles. Tedious, but...

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому +2

      @ Sorry, life’s too short - I’m just going to show this video to as many people as I possibly can 😛

  • @Jim951cup
    @Jim951cup 2 дні тому

    Hey Ian,
    I’m not sure how the DRC works on desktop, but I can confirm that the loudness differences you pointed out in the 2:10-2:40 section are still present, even with "stable volume" enabled. However, in the second section (3:12-3:44), they’ve clearly been compensated through some kind of DRC.
    Whether I enable or disable "stable volume" on my end, the loudness differences remain where they’re supposed to, but they’re smoothed out in the second section. This suggests that whatever DRC UA-cam is applying seems to happen on your end rather than on the listener’s end.
    This doesn’t make much sense to me, as it effectively renders the "stable volume" feature useless for the listener, but it’s what I’m observing here (Windows PC - UA-cam in Google Chrome).

    • @Gw49172
      @Gw49172 2 дні тому

      Sorry to bud in here. I am sure someone will have an elaborate explanation... but...
      If the audio is printed with the drc issues in, then the compressor won't activate again as the volume has already been adjusted.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  2 дні тому +2

      @@Gw49172 I suspect there are two audio streams, one with & one without (see the way the video image switches off and on when you change the setting)
      In terms of this video the effect is likely to be more complicated though, since I’m incorporating audio with Stable Volume On into a new video with different material around it, and different overall loudness. So enabling it on *this* video will probably sound different again

    • @JimijaymesProductions
      @JimijaymesProductions День тому

      im toggling it right now and it totally changes the dynamics of his voice (which is higher in dynamic range), it is quite clear and not subtle. I have found on some videos stable volume doesn't do much or doesnt seem to be working, but when it is working it isn't subtle especially on production videos.

    • @Jim951cup
      @Jim951cup День тому

      ​@@JimijaymesProductions That’s really puzzling... Could you share your configuration (device, browser)? I just recorded the first 90 seconds of audio from this video, first with smart volume enabled and then with it disabled. I can confirm that there’s no change in dynamics whatsoever on my end. The only difference is in the overall loudness.
      Here are the measurements I got for this 90-second section:
      Smart volume enabled: -19.4 LUFS integrated / 3.9 LRA / -2 TPmax
      Smart volume disabled: -21.6 LUFS integrated / 3.9 LRA / -4.4 TPmax
      I’m really curious to understand why the system behaves differently on your end compared to mine. Any thoughts on that, Ian?

    • @JimijaymesProductions
      @JimijaymesProductions День тому

      @ I am just using Opera GX, I haven't done measurements and I am not sure about macro dynamics but definitely micro dynamics, Ive heard it mostly on videos where there is talking and music based audio, sounds like a multiband limiter has been strapped on the end. Give me a sec to do some measurements/recording and ill let you know, but to my ears its not subtle, the noisefloor comes up and the tail of consonants (especially in the low end) is louder but the transients aren't and when there is two audio sources, the quieter one gets louder.

  • @themagicianofsound
    @themagicianofsound 14 годин тому

    Thanks for informing us ! Another popular sound engineer on UA-cam that I follow also talked about this. Obviously I disabled it but without videos like yours and the other one, I would have never seen this option !

  • @XtremeKremaTor
    @XtremeKremaTor День тому +8

    They should sort out super LOUD adverts

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому +1

      @@XtremeKremaTor That’s a common complaint, but in my testing the ads are also normalised to -14.
      UA-cam doesn’t turn quieter material up though (without Stable Volume) so I think this happens when people crank up a quiet video (eg. anything at broadcast level, which is -23) and then the ads sound super-loud in comparison even though they’re “only” @ -14

    • @JamaicaWhiteMan
      @JamaicaWhiteMan День тому

      uBl*ck Orig*n.

    • @ConorHanley
      @ConorHanley День тому

      @@ProductionAdvice If I ever hear an ad I mute the volume loud or not and move onto another tab

    • @maximilianmustermann5763
      @maximilianmustermann5763 День тому

      @@ProductionAdvice Most videos on youtube, except for music videos, are way below -14. Even if the producer knows what their doing, a podcast or video with just speech won't necessarily sound the best at -14.
      I often end up 3 dB quieter when I just compress speech content by ear. But a lot of video producers don't know much about audio and their content will be at -20.
      A professionally produced commercial at -14 will then sound super loud.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому

      @ Fair comment - my podcast is also around -18. It’s a shame YT doesn’t use -16 for its Distribution Loudness as recommended by the AES - that would be a step in the right direction at least

  • @TMancusoMusic
    @TMancusoMusic День тому

    Thanks Ian - I had no idea about this one. You are correct in that it makes a BIG DIFFERENCE on this end when selected. Super helpful info, as per usual from your content.

  • @alwlferventdreams2651
    @alwlferventdreams2651 2 години тому

    Thank you for taking the time to make this video.

  • @eudatux23
    @eudatux23 День тому

    I thought that this would just toggle the "loudness penalty" normalization to -14 LUFS, so I left it turned on, as normalizing is a good thing. Never thought that this is actually compression, thank you very much for sharing, I disabled it now!

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому +1

      Right - the normalisation still applies either way. Stable Volume will make things more consistent but at the price of extra artefacts

  • @baddriversofcolga
    @baddriversofcolga 2 дні тому +3

    They should allow you to turn it off for your whole channel, but youtube doesn't care about the problems they cause...

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому

      I think they do care, but their approach has always been “make a mess, then fix it… eventually”

    • @baddriversofcolga
      @baddriversofcolga День тому +1

      @ProductionAdvice Well, I hope they fix it then...

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому

      @@baddriversofcolga Same !

  • @juanchis.investigadorsonoro
    @juanchis.investigadorsonoro День тому

    I can confirm this was also on in Mexico on Android, iPad & Desktop. Thx Ian! And it has to disabled on each device separately.

  • @saardean4481
    @saardean4481 2 дні тому

    Thanks Ian. Completely missed that. That means that the best way would be for all content creators to have a little intro „Please Disable Equal Loudness Feature“- followed by a short 10sec instructions video

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  2 дні тому

      @@saardean4481 I’ve thought about it ! But there’s no way to go back and add this to old videos, plus if UA-cam do as I’m asking and allow us to opt out those intros will be redundant… tedious !

  • @blueslsd
    @blueslsd 6 годин тому +1

    Didn't realize the stable was on!!!!!

  • @genejas
    @genejas 2 дні тому +1

    The AGC algorithm they picked is also very aggressive

  • @maximilianmustermann5763
    @maximilianmustermann5763 День тому +1

    UA-cam should stop doing stuff in the background that most people don't want. For example they also auto-translate English video titles to the language set in your browser. Not sure which videos they target, this video still has its original English title.

  • @nikolaki
    @nikolaki 2 години тому

    On my mobile device, it refuses to disable stable audio at all.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  2 години тому

      Do you mean it's greyed out, or that it doesn't work ?

    • @nikolaki
      @nikolaki 2 години тому

      ​@ProductionAdvice it's now greyed out. A couple of weeks ago I could turn it off but it immediately flicked back on again.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  Годину тому +1

      @@nikolaki Weird 😥 Is that on Android or iOS ? And is your app up to date ?

  • @ozzy3ml
    @ozzy3ml День тому

    Thanks for this! I was sure I'd disabled any auto dynamic stuff, but evidently not. Hope YT remembers the setting across videos?

  • @JimijaymesProductions
    @JimijaymesProductions День тому

    Its funny, for years people complained about YoutTube audio compression which never actually existed until now, they've made the complaints real. At least it's able to be turned off.

  • @TK-yu2pv
    @TK-yu2pv День тому

    This also demonstrates well how the last pop song is so utterly crushed and devoid of dynamics regardless of the settings. I hope that we don't need to disable this manually for every video. You would think that they would have at least given us global control over such a sweeping setting.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому

      @@TK-yu2pv I’m pretty sure the browser remembers the setting, so you only need to decide once 👍

    • @TK-yu2pv
      @TK-yu2pv День тому

      @@ProductionAdvice Thanks Ian.

    • @maximilianmustermann5763
      @maximilianmustermann5763 День тому

      It seems like once you turn it off, it stays off. At least for that one browser, maybe for your account (not sure).

  • @dalebeachwood7265
    @dalebeachwood7265 2 дні тому

    Thanks for information Ian, turning this off makes all the difference for me.

  • @kevgresham8407
    @kevgresham8407 2 дні тому +3

    Thanks Ian ..It was new to me .

  • @Kunibert_Knatter
    @Kunibert_Knatter 58 хвилин тому

    Agreed! And thanks for pointing this out.
    But on the other hand, I have to say honestly, that some videos really benefit from this setting. They are so poorly balanced, that the comprssion ought to be even stronger!
    Good to know, that I can now - at least temporarely - dis/enabling this setting. Unconvenient, but better like this, rather than getting an audio sauce.

  • @ConorHanley
    @ConorHanley День тому

    Ta, what we don't need is yet more compression in audio. Didn't know this was a thing in addition to whatever UA-cam has been doing to audio for yonks.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому

      The irony is they haven't been doing much that affected the quality (bar the streaming codec) until recently. This is quite a big deal for some content, though.

  • @bengineer_the
    @bengineer_the День тому

    Thank you dearly for the heads up!

  • @AG-mz7vm
    @AG-mz7vm 2 дні тому +1

    Thank's for the heads-up!

  • @macronencer
    @macronencer День тому

    A data point for you: on this video, I checked - and Stable Volume was off already. Do you think it remembers my choice from other videos? Seems unlikely... However, also, I loaded a different video (from a science channel) and it was not only OFF but also disabled so I couldn't turn it on. There's more to this than meets the eye...

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому +1

      @@macronencer Thanks - in my testing when I turn it off it stays off for all videos, so I assume the setting is cookied per-browser, not per-video.
      And yes, Stable Volume is sometimes greyed out, but I’m not sure how the decision is made - music videos are the most obvious example, but the detection isn’t perfect - I’ve seen at least one music video, tagged as music, already mastered to -14, which still had SV as an option.
      So there’s a grey area in all this of “intent versus execution”

    • @macronencer
      @macronencer День тому

      @@ProductionAdvice Thanks Ian - yes, I guess it must be remembering my choices. Interesting about the greying out thing, because the science video I tested it on was mostly talking, but there's a long outro with music... maybe it picked up on that?

  • @matt_nyc_audioengineer
    @matt_nyc_audioengineer День тому

    Ya, I soon as I saw Stable Volume I immediately shut it off haha! In our world it does not help. Love your videos Ian but if I'm being honest I can't watch them often. I have Misophonia and mouth clicks drive me INSANE! Please treat them when editing your videos if you wouldn't mind. I'd be a loyal subriber and watch every video if you did! I have mouth clicks when I record myself too so no shade or anything. Not criticizing! You can't help it but you can treat it. I'd love if you did!

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому

      Sorry to hear that, I didn't know about Misophonia. I'll have a think about whether there's a way to improve this efficiently...

    • @matt_nyc_audioengineer
      @matt_nyc_audioengineer 21 годину тому

      @@ProductionAdvice It's cool man and like I said, it's nothing you are doing wrong. I'm just more sensitive to that kind of stuff. I'm autistic and it's something a lot of autistic people deal with. I use iZotope RX Mouth DeClick and it always does the job! It lives on my vocal buss as the first plugin lol.

  • @mathumphreys
    @mathumphreys День тому

    Thanks for the heads up.

  • @bobrv8
    @bobrv8 День тому

    Thanks Ian. Will help to spread the word.

  • @bartvanmeulebroeck5002
    @bartvanmeulebroeck5002 2 дні тому +3

    Switched it off!

  • @StubertStudios
    @StubertStudios День тому

    Superb, well explained video. Thank you so much for pointing this out.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому +1

      @@StubertStudios Pleasure, glad it was useful !

    • @StubertStudios
      @StubertStudios День тому

      @@ProductionAdvice I shared your link on HSC as well

  • @mickstubbsguitar
    @mickstubbsguitar День тому

    Thanks Ian, very much appreciated.

  • @587583922
    @587583922 2 дні тому

    Thanks for the heads up!

  • @jazmanaut
    @jazmanaut День тому +1

    Wow, great info. Thanks!

  • @ovonisamja8024
    @ovonisamja8024 2 дні тому

    Hmm… another important thing to keep in mind. If you’re not watching the video through their app on the phone (iphone at least), you can’t turn off the DRC feature. So if you’re on FB for example, and you just click the video without opening the YT app, the feature stays on. There’s no gear icon for settings displayed.

  • @BassBusMusic
    @BassBusMusic 2 дні тому

    Perhaps that's something that @UA-cam could put in as an option when uploading videos.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  2 дні тому

      @@BassBusMusic Something like that would be a good option, I think

  • @giabgr
    @giabgr День тому

    Not on by default for me.

  • @DubArchaeologist
    @DubArchaeologist 2 дні тому

    Haha. I got all the way through your examples then noticed it has appeared on my settings. I could still hear the difference. Switched it off. Much more difference. For me it must have been added very recently as I would have noticed it (desktop btw). Could be useful for listening to some of those lazy youtubers' who are not so good at balancing their audios from different sources. More edit - I'm confused now after a bit of a look around. Not all vids on a channel have it? Some of mine do and some of them don't for example.

    • @DubArchaeologist
      @DubArchaeologist 2 дні тому

      Sidenote: The switch remains off when i switch accounts.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому +1

      Yeah I think it's a browser cookie. Pretty sure it doesn't follow you across devices though

  • @markgriffiths5122
    @markgriffiths5122 2 дні тому

    thanks I've turned it off as I do watch a fair few videos on compressors etc. Even on "normal" videos, like news or TV clips it's making a big difference. With it on it seems alot louder and maybe shriller. It really should be an option when you create a video, but I can see my own music videos it's turned off even when it is on for other videos. Maybe that's because all my videos I allocated to the music category.

  • @MrSebify
    @MrSebify День тому

    Huge difference !

  • @foshizol
    @foshizol 2 дні тому

    I didn't know about this until your video. However, mine was already set to off.

  • @DonBernhard
    @DonBernhard День тому

    I suggest that perhaps you should add a short 10 seconds or so instruction at the beginning of each of your videos reminding or explaining the need to do it before the video continues.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  День тому +1

      @@DonBernhard Maybe, but there’s no way to go back and add this to old videos, plus if UA-cam do as I’m asking and allow us to opt out those intros will be redundant… tedious !

  • @brianrichards3128
    @brianrichards3128 16 годин тому

    I only found out about this an hour before finding your video
    Good idea for “soft” videos: people who don’t understand what LUFS are but a very bad idea for the rest of us. I always master to -13 or -12.5 with -1 true peak and don’t mind being turned down 1/2 dB and sometimes not a t all. That’s fine for music but as you pointed out, a very bad idea for educational content

  • @OwnerOfTheCosmos
    @OwnerOfTheCosmos 14 годин тому

    4:48 "Even with Stable Volume disabled, ..." (You meant "enabled", I believe.)

  • @Ein-Stuck
    @Ein-Stuck День тому

    Wow!! great observation!!

  • @normalizedaudio2481
    @normalizedaudio2481 2 дні тому

    Check out his microphone placement.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  2 дні тому +1

      @@normalizedaudio2481 You mean mine ? What about it ?

  • @HazeAnderson
    @HazeAnderson 6 годин тому

    UA-cam is hellbent on destroying UA-cam.

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  5 годин тому

      The trouble is presumably it improves the views (because content with extremely dynamic material will be easier to listen to) which in their eyes is a good thing 😕

  • @strone1
    @strone1 День тому

    thanks. would have never noticed this was on. yet another glorious "improvement" by youtube... :/

  • @philhunter9134
    @philhunter9134 22 години тому

    Thanks!

  • @rawl747
    @rawl747 5 годин тому

    I tried to turn this setting off in the Android UA-cam app on my Samsung tablet and it wouldn't turn off! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!

    • @ProductionAdvice
      @ProductionAdvice  3 години тому

      I just tried it on my son's Moto G - it worked but for some reason I had to do it twice...?!? Might be worth a try

  • @Sound-Lord
    @Sound-Lord День тому

    thanks

  • @FotisandStuff
    @FotisandStuff День тому

    Disabled it! Thank you!!

  • @c0ns1d1ne
    @c0ns1d1ne 8 годин тому

    Turniing that nonsense off right now. 😆

  • @helosbonos
    @helosbonos День тому

    Disabled! Thanks!

  • @Dani-El.
    @Dani-El. 2 дні тому +4

    UA-cam worked best before Google bought it.
    They must have spent billions destroying this once wonderful platform.

    • @Mdjagg
      @Mdjagg День тому

      Theyve effectively demonetized so many creators that theyve likely made that money back