How to use ReaSurroundPan for Spatial Audio in REAPER (Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- In part 2 of my conversation with Matt Glenn of Ears Up Sound Design we are diving into ReaSurroundPan and how it is used for Spatial Audio.
If you missed part 1 you can see that here • An Introduction to Spa...
00:00 - Intro
00:56 - Routing Distributed Audio
04:05 - Point Source Audio
06:45 - ReaSurroundPan Overview
13:32 - 3 view modes
15:21 - Panning point source audio with ReaSurroundPan
16:24 - Divergence
18:03 - Linking and mirroring movement
25:09 - Speaker gain/influence
26:20 - Z-shape
28:59 - Center and side sliders
29:38 - Content to speaker matrix
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Astounding, even more stuff I never knew was possible in reaper! Another excellent video thankyou.
Awesome. Thanks Matt. Great topic, Jon.
thank you very much for these episodes!
Excellent explanation of ReaSurroundPan! Really helpful! I am curious about Matt's attitude towards ambisonics for both point source and distributed audio.
This is very good!
This is awesome. How I wish I can work for them.
I'm really curious about using ReaSurroundPan as part of Ambisonics mixing with NX Headtracking. Do you know if we can use these methods to export à stereo downmix for more spatialize sound? My clients never used surround, but operating a more immersive experience in UA-cam video could offer a massive plus in the mix.
thanks!
Can reaper bounce out muilt channel file so I can bring it into Logic or another daw if so how do you do that ? thanks
how could I use this with say a focus rite 18i20?? Use the outs to separate monitors??? ... I need to try this, but first more cables!
would it be possible to output the panning data as osc data so i can use it to control a commercial immersive processor like Yamaha afc image ?
Not playing on doing any of this, but I'd like to understand the rest of the picture, how is the audio routed to each speaker, like from Reaper to the speakers?
Hi. Can you do this with headphones? Do you need 10 outs from your soundcard?
Just this one plugin if it were made by any other company than Cockos would cost sooo much, and it's included in our 60 (or 225 in this dues case) DAW.
I'd like you to address the encoding needed to burn DVD's or Blu-ray in surround.
great explanation of the plugin. Is there a way or another application to set custom rooms sizes?
ReaSurroundPan is quite unique in the world of panners in that it allows you to move the speakers around in 3D space as freely as you move the sounds themselves. While you can’t change the basic square shape of the panning window, positioning the speakers to match your custom room shape is a very effective solution - it’s what I’ve done for all of my install mixes since I started using Reaper.
There are other plugins and panning software/hardware that give you more detailed control of the room setup - some even let you upload drawings of your space - but they tend to be quite costly. Hardware is particularly pricey - boxes like Atmos Renderers, D&B Soundscape, Timax, and others typically require a five-figure budget for entry.
For software, I’ve toyed around with Atmos Production Suite, MNTN, Sound Particles Space Controller, and GRM Spaces 3D. They all have unique strengths and weaknesses in regards to room configuration. Each has their special tricks, but to be honest ReaSurroundPan competes handily with all of them in core functionality.
Is there an ATMOS RENDERER built into Reaper?
Hello there. I add reverb to feel more comfortable when recording vocals. However, there are echoes in the sounds I recorded. Even though I turned off the effects, echoes are heard in the audio recording. What is the solution to this? Can you help me?
was the reverb on the INPUT FX chain?
@@TheREAPERBlog I'm running two channels. One as vocal and the other as reverb. However, the sound I recorded is recorded with echo :/
I'd need to see it
This is awesome! Which reaper theme is this? Looks quite similar to version 5!
Hey Sudipto! I'm using "LCS_Default_4.0" at the moment.
I don't understand how the chopper feels surround although I'm using stereo headphones. Is it just psychosomatic/placebo because I know and see it on the screen that that's where I'm supposed to here it?
Its a stereo downmix of the surround for the video but I think its just having the wide spaced mics plus the panning on the shotgun.
Yep, Jon summed it up well. The panned shotgun mic by itself gives you volume-based panning. The stereo pair adds time (delay) to the mix - in other words, as the chopper flies around the mics, there is both a volume and a time difference between the left and right channel that tells your brain which direction the sound is coming from. This makes for a more convincing sonic image than just volume alone.
I am waiting for binaural stereo implementation into that surround mixer.
what would we need for binaural ?
and do you mean to create a binaural effect for things that were not recorded as binaural?
@@TheREAPERBlog I meant binaural stereo [HRTF-related effects] coming from points [speakers], which user can set up in this mixer plugin. I think binaural panning is the future, one needs only headphones to hear it properly. Lots of people listen to music on headphones these days. Take a look at WaveArts Panorama plugin for example. Standard DAW panning is merely intensity based.
I can’t wait for the moment in which it will be turned in real Atmos: producing and exporting the required objects.
The programmer of RSP promised it’s possible and I know he can work on it. He has already made proposals.
What’s unknown, it’s the real intention by Justin ans Schwa, to implement the renderer coupled with the panner, and finally exporting the .audio Atmos plus the 2 required sidecar objects files.
Let’s hope and see.
@UCf_86H4Ql8yEktNE290iI9g it is channel based .. only bed. Thus not atmos at all. Not even export in ADM … so, for the time being, it’s not even lecit to use the name Atmos. Just “Atmos-like” when it’s referred to 7.1.2 or 7.1.4
What theme you use? It's beautiful
It’s called LCS_DEFAULT_4.0.
30:00 how does he generates the excel file with rsp?
Hey Tormy. The spreadsheet is just created in Google Sheets in this case. I make it manually before the project starts mixing, so the spreadsheet is actually used to build the RSP layout and not the other way around.
This is all well and good but I can’t even find these tools on my pc paid for version of Reaper. You too are Mac centric. I’d pay to have a template with the layout and tools shown in this video! What should I do, jon?
ReaSurroundPan is one of the stock plugins in REAPER 6.29 +
Its best for each person to create their template based on their needs.
@@TheREAPERBlog - Of course that’s true. I know where to find ReaSurroundPan, it’s the JS
It’s what is referred to as the “JS Channel Mapper Downmixer” I can’t locate or don’t know how to access! It’s THAT tool I need to have even a hope of learning how to set up the routing.
that one is included with reaper as well. unless installing JS plugins was disabled in the reaper installer I'm not Sure why you're not finding that one.