Brock Bowers is a 'Travis Kelce-George Kittle TE' - Chris Simms | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
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Brock Bowers is a 'Travis Kelce-George Kittle TE' - Chris Simms | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
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Generational Talent, clear day 1 starter. If it was any other team they would be getting praised. You just don’t pass up talent like this
“Any other team would get praised”
Period!
Facts fuckem we the Nation love the pick
you NEVER pass on a playmaker in the 1st round. No regrets.
@@raider1tkDamn right Raider nation picked up new fans . Brock is one of the most beloved Dawg of all time! Raiders will love Brock, he’s no Drama Queen Diva, he’s a Team player that gives the team 110% never takes off a play ! He’s future All Pro
@@ralphee7487 agree I just wanted a play maker on defense!
Mike Florio LOVES to HATE The Raiders💯
joke.only way he got relevant.RN4L
The idea that drafting Bowers was redundant because of last years Michael Mayers pick is ridiculous. They might both play the TE position, but they will be used in entirely different ways. Mayers, the traditional TE and Bowers in the slot, outside, and HB positions
And players get hurt. Mayer didn't finish the season.
Too good to pass on
Doesn’t help that mcdummy never utilized our tight ends. He was intentionally making the raiders fail so we never got to see mayers actual potential for a full year. This year will be mayers “first” year in my eyes. Mcdaniels did everything to not utilize our offensive weapons.
All you have to do is go watch Ga Football you will see the benefit of 2 Tight Ends or 12 personnel!!Brock is a lethal weapon you never know where he at. 2 Tight Ends is the Future of Pro Football
@@derekmortensen1665Who’s the OC ? All he has to do is Rip off the playbook of Todd Monken ! Watch Ga tape and copy and print! 2 Tight Ends is the Future!
12 personnel is the scheme gardner (gard dawg) performs best in. You think our GM, coach & OC might be aware of this fact as well. If AOC wins the spot does it suck to have BROCK (insert WWE voice) Bowers as a safety valve for him. Put that dude at HB, FB, Wide out or end of the line. I was shocked initially until I thought about how the board shook out & watched his tape. EFF Florio!!!! Once a hater always a hater!!!!!
You can't get around the fact that our offense sucked last year, and we were averaging 17pts/game before firing "the Guru" and OC. Even after that, we struggled to score, and epic defensive efforts were wasted by an offense stuck in neutral. Why so many people, Raider fans included, got so butt hurt that we didn't trade up (which requires cooperation from another team, and comes at a price) and pick a QB, but still ended up with one of the top 5 players in the draft is ridiculous. And if Atlanta doesn't pick Penix, this discussion doesn't happen, so stop pretending that the Raiders "passed on a QB".
💯 bro, our fan base and media are plain dumb dumbs. I’m happy with this pick and to piggy back you, over half these QBs will be bust so why waste drafts on project QBs when we have starters on our roster that have won. Fun fact, AOC has a winning record and beat the Chiefs than Carr
Well said
Bowers Meyer gonna lite league up
I really don’t get the hate for this pick
Maybe because they drafted one last year
@@oaklandtraphousein the second round?
I was shocked by the pick but it's definitely grown on me. Now I'm actually really excited to see him ball out.
Because offensive playmakers is literally the opposite of what the fuck we need….. how is that hard to understand?
@@oaklandtraphouse Oh yeah, 12 personel isn't on the rise in the league, nor has it been for five years?
Oh wait.
Also you gotta understand Getsy’s scheme involves 2 TE’s
Exactly , he definitely didn’t a roster like this in Chicago
I guarantee if the Raiders went OL he would say, “I don’t understand why the Raiders settled for an OL when the best was already off the board. They could’ve waited the next round. Don’t understand why they didn’t select Brock Bowers right there an elite playmaker that fell into their lap.” 😅
They took the best player florio. Don’t throw shade on raiders like you usually do fool.
Raider Hater = Florio
the best player available who'll get wasted at that sorry ahhhh franchise
Cause Raiders puttah whuppinz on that Viking ass in Super Bowl 11 ……why Florio be hating huge Minnesota fan
Raiders take him florio shits on it- nothing new to see here
Florio is a HUGE VIKINGS fan and think Super Bowl 11 still stings on his ass
You’re talking like he’s not gonna make a difference good luck knowing who’s getting the ball this year. Can’t wait to see what they do with him this year
Florio talking about Bowers clearly shows us that he doesn’t know anything about him, hasn’t watched any film on him, doesn’t know shit. But he would never admit that. Then cut to Simms and he knows him like the back of his hand. Which essentially means Simms actually does his job and analyzes football
He drafted hunter Henry too. Y’all must not know about coupon Tom and how he does things. He had gates too. He likes star tight end
As a chargers fan I’m so glad he’s not our problem anymore😂
@@OBEYFMH187 his coaching hires were so bad in his tenure. He could never get it right. He was worse then AJ
Coaching is solved with AP.
He’s talking about how many tight ends in the first rd don’t pan out, the QB percentage is pretty darn low too
Considering Raiders needed another receiver, Mayer had issues staying healthy but also plays as a traditional TE, Bowers will be a completely new dynamic for the offense. Not to mention he’s a decent blocker who can help in 12 personnel if need be. Can’t wait for the season and we got so much time!!
I guess BPA and having 2 good TE’s is hard concept to grasp
As someone who played DE and OLB, and coaches… I see a lot of challenges with Brock lined up across from me/ my guys. Too fast/quick for most of us to cover, stronger than any DB, catches very well, RAC is wild, football IQ is high, dawg… all the TEs u mentioned did certain things great but not all, this Bowers kid does it all very good.
Go listen to Hondo Carpenter podcast. He had the Georgia beat writer on (ya maybe biased) but apparently the team and coaches said he was “not even human” he’s a freakish athlete that can contort his body in crazy ways with an enormous catch radius. Generational talent
Have to laugh (respectfully) at the irony as Telescope (just left the Chargers) says “We weren’t scoring enough.” After that last Raiders-Chargers game 63-21.
No mention of Tyree Wilson. I was wrong thinking the Raiders drafted Mayer in the first round last season…. My bad
Tom Telesco said they planned for this a few days prior and it wasn't "scrambling". I think Chris Simms just talks out his backside. I'm glad Crosby put him in check.
Mayor and Bowers can be our Kelce and Kittle duo!
This guy will be basically the WR 2 opposite Adams unless they go to 2 TE sets. We'll have a lot of flexibility.
Getsy runs two tight ends and we might just have the best TE room rn
Took me a day to warm up to bowers pick but I’m excited to see the Raiders Offense. With Jacobs gone this will only help boost their run game and mismatches on play action🔥
Mayer was the best tight end to come out in years last year. Got him. Now you add the best to his best lol. Its like the xl package with all the upgraded features. This 1 can line up everywhere.
Another reason Bowers is such a good fit is that, since the Raiders missed out on long-ball Penix, cater to the strengths of their two signed QB's- short to mid-range targets with great hands and who get OPEN quickly.
people forget browsers is not a tide end his a hybrid player plays slot , wr lines up everywhere running back he only played 30 percent snaps at tide end his a playmaker !
Any other team picks him up, they’ll be praising him
Until the OC decides to run a system yall ain’t used to, and the TE in doing jet sweeps, lining up in the slot and blocking. Then you’ll be like oh I was wrong
I think Bowers will be like Jeremy Shockey. 💪🏾✌️🏾
im pretty stoked because our defense was top 10 the lst half of the season, can't wait to play madden 25 with bowers being unstopable!
If another team picked Bowers with the 8th to 16th pick, Florio would have been saying it was a GREAT pick.
I love this pick and get ready this dude will be lining up at rb or fb or te or slot inside the 10
This is LaPorta x 10. There’s no waiting til year 3 for Brock to develop. He’s not a classic TE. He’s producing big time YEAR ONE.
Simms hold up, I thought Bowers is the better blocker than Mayer?
Um they got a a first round projected linemen in the second.
He might even be greater than them, he gets to practice with Davante Adams early in his career
I saw about 100 big boards and none of them had Bowers past #10 soooo feels like a good pick. Not sure what the debate is
Raiders understand they were better with Waller, Bowers is Waller-esque. I thought it was a decent pick 🤷🏾♂️
You know I'm a layman. Meanwhile I understood the raiders were going to draft the best player available. Also tom telesco did not believe bowers would be available
I disagree that they where in a scramble mode….I think they ran so many simulations that they where prepared if all the QBs where gone even if Atlanta doesn’t draft Penix Giants could of drafted a QB. They where prepared.
This was an amazing pick. Probably the best move of day 1. Historically this guy would’ve gone in the top 5 picks but all those dummy’s drafted QB’s that are gonna bust
Its wishful thinking that this guy who has been considered a sure fire high first round pick since he was a true freshman might end up being really good
-Florio
This kid is more than a TE AND COULD OF BEEN PICKED 4 OR 5 AND NOBODY would of complained. I don’t think they were going to pick a QB in the first even if MP jr was available.
You don't know the Raiders in that we all knew that Penix was most probably going to get over drafted and was not going to be there at 13
The Raiders could win 10 super bowls in a row and Mike Florio would find a way to say they’re a bad team
Best way to get better QB play without drafting a QB is to add better pass catchers and OLine. And you can try to upgrade QB next year without jeopardize your future
Florio and his hair vs Simms and his hair who wins ?😂
We know why the nfl media is against this pick all because the raiders got him
No, probably not. But being wrong has never stopped you before.
It would have been a great pick if it was any other team.....
Raiders weren’t taking Penix. They wanted Jayden Daniels, tried to trade up, and couldn’t get him. BPA was plan B, they always had Bowers over Penix
Who’s gonna throw him the ball?
I guess minshew 😂😂😂🤝
You also need a solid QB that's going to throw the ball not some weakass back ups
Opposing DCs. How to account for Adams, Meyers, Mayer and now Bowers. Good luck. AOC or Minshew don't have to be great with this supporting cast, just efficient.
The hate for this pic is because it was stupid we could have had the number one linebacker number one cornerback we have Playmakers already how about get the ball to them
Mayer didn’t even put up big numbers. He was losing snaps to Hooper of all people lol. Bowers day 1 will be a playmaker. I assume Minshew wins the QB Job and he can toss nice passes all day
You ever heard of 12 personell?
Bowers is a top ten pick pre draft until the Raiders got him and made it “questionable” Got it. lol
And I doubt the front office ran around with their heads cut off, hard to believe an entire scouting dept with months to prep didn’t envision a scenario of Penix and Daniels not being available. At my job we have 2000 ppl and 2 schedulers making a WEEKLY schedule…just for some perspective. I feel football ppl who only know sports overcomplicate normal ppl shit. 😂
Gets likes 2 TEs and minshew and aoc are not deep threats. Tre Tucker knows this
Florio give the nation some damn love. I hope your wife is a Raider Fan. Or your boyfriend
The talking heads are all prisoners of the moment and think these QBs are gonna be legends. 3 years from now they’ll forget how wrong they were, they’ll also say wow look at all these stars we didn’t talk about
In the question, lies the answer~ How many O-lineman could the Raiders have drafted instead, 3-5 different possibilities??? How many TE's a year come out like Bowers? Almost never~ That's why you take Bowers... because there are other O-lineman to fill the space! There may not be another Bowers for a decade~
They also need O-line help. Also lost O-line coach to NY Giants.
They drafted jackson Powers-johnson other than the Right tackle they look good.
I view him like Mark andrews
The only people saying that the Raiders would draft Penix before the third round are media jokers who don't don't listen or don't believe what they're told and just ignorantly follow their own fabricated storyline.
We already have quarterbacks far better than penix.And you know it.
Don’t listen to this clown. Brock Bowers played in 2 Tight End personnel at Ga about 95% of the time Ga schemed him open because teams had to much to cover. Brock was H back , slot traditional TE hell Ga even ran Brock on reverses. Raiders got a straight up Baller! And he back with his Boy “ Zeus” AKA Zamir White, they won a Championship together! Go Raiders I’ll definitely be rotting for The Raiders. Silver and Black Attack
The sames guys troll all Raiders talk and boards probably 9er and Chargers fan making the same dumb comments "who gonna throw the ball to them ? " 😂 guess you don't watch Raiders football but why do you care ?
Y’all sound petty. Can’t give credit saying it was a good pick lol and to make y’all look worse Raiders drafted Jackson Powers Johnson in the 2nd, why don’t y’all bring that name up?
AP better hope he is, failing to get a QB isn't a good look. Either is coming in last place in the division and probably picking 1st in the draft for a first season HC
WHY ALL THE HATE????😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣
Raiders have a rich history of 1st round busts. Somethings never change lol
Khalil Mack, Tim Brown, Charles Woodson etc… tell me you know NOTHING about football again.
@@michaelolmedo6764wow you named three players 🤯🤯
@@BratatoChip given the stupid statement I had to name at least three, but I still have more if you’d like
@@michaelolmedo6764 lmao just giving you a hard time man. I know y’all’s history
@@BratatoChip 😂 I know. We are horrible.
He’s Darren Waller but a dog not kittle not gronk
We will see if he's even close to LaPorta
Mike your hate for the Raiders knows no bounds, did some Raider fan steal your lunch money in grade school?
If you're comparing him to Kelce and Kittle....you better draft him.
Steal of the draft!
"COUPON TOM" Time to ruin another franchise time!!!!😂😂 Here we go again ppl hang on!!!!
Hahaha Charger fans have been claiming they had a Super Bowl roster the last 3 seasons, all of a sudden Telesco sucks 😂😂😂 y’all kill me ringless franchise.
You'll find out this season 😂 hes the reason they hired Brandon Staley
You'll find out this season 😂 hes the reason they hired Brandon Staley
@@Southern_Cali did he also hire Antonio Pierce?
@@joseperales2381 no he was already hired before they hired Tommy wtf do your research 😂😂 Raider fan
Raider haters at its finest come to the black 🕳️ hole with that same energy
Mike has no idea what he’s talking about. Bowers is better than almost every bum tight end you named
Florio is a true RAIDER HATER!!!!!
Haters!!! 😂😂😂
Florio, quit being such a hater!!!
C'mon bro, we get it you hate the raiders
All this just for KC to take the AFCW again. Raiders don't have a QB to CONSISTENTLY compete. LV 9-8.
We'll see...
I love that white NFL players only get compared to white guys and vise versa😂
More like vernon davis
So they're mad the raiders didn't reach for the 4th best OT instead of a possible top 3-5 player regardless of position? If the Raiders did that, they would get crushed for passing on generational talent. Cant win
Raiders didn’t draft a QB this draft because by the time we got to the 13th pick there wasn’t a QB available who’s better then AOC or Minshew why waist a draft pick on a 3rd string QB when you can get a top player? I wanted top DB available but I’m happy that we didn’t draft the 7th QB or 4th Wr or 4th OL. We got the 1st TE and he’s a Dawg. He makes the team better week 1
Different TE....
The raiders are a car has no motor and they just bought a new set of wheels, it will look cool and go no where
Haters! 😆
dude.. just way too much hype. he's too small!!
I don’t see him sticking around for long. His family and him are 49rs fans.
The raiders will find a way to waste this generational talent
Tom Telesco is a joke of a GM had all the talent on the Chargers and still couldn't win...
Yes cuz the gm goes out there and plays too
LLook I'm not the biggest Telesco fan, but that's the worst possible argument. The GM's job is to get talent. The coaches job is to make it work. And the chargers job is to ruin talent.
They've had multiple HoF caliber Qb's win 0 superbowls. They once had the number one offense and defense in the NFL (at least in yards) and missed the playoffs. Usually getting at least one is a guarentee. They once went 12-5, made the offs, and Tom Brady threw three picks. And they lost. And then it happened again. Two years in a row. They've had an all pro kicker make playoff losing kicks.
They continually produce talented rosters, and consistently underperform.
You need rethink that comment not his fault the team didn’t win he gets the talent coach has to coach to win
@@juandegruy9483 GM job is to the build a team from the coaches down to the players..
@joshposey6636 yeah ur not the brightest child in the family.🙄
When he proves it,
I'll believe it.
Laporta is top dog
Florio always hating on the raiders. What’s new
Are you all insane? Look no TE is a day one starter and kicks ass. They all need to transition and take 1-2 years to truly develop. Also Bowers is only 6'3" compared to true TE's who are 6'5" and out way Bowers by 30 to 40 pounds. He is not a Kelcy. or Kittle. He is a WR who play's TE. No matter how you try to sugar coat this it was a stupid pick when you have no franchise QB to throw to him. The propaganda they try to put on this dumb pick is crazy. How much were they paid to make this crap up. Look this guy will demand top dollar from day one without ever earning it simply because of his draft position. He will demand Kelcy money on his first resigning if he makes it that far. Stupid pick when you have no QB. Minshew and O'Connell are backups on 31 other teams. Just saying AP got screwed by other teams. No one would trade with us. That and for some reason Mark Davis thought AP would do well with a failed and fired GM and OC. That and we have no real starting QB. Seems like AP is being set up to fail, or we are going to tank this year so we do not have to trade up to get a QB next year. If we are tanking then building towards the future makes sense. Then this pick would make a little more sense.
But the fact everyone is trying to make this pick seem reasonable just shows how powerful the NFL propaganda machine really is.