Battle of the SHEDS: Alfa Romeo GTV Vs MG ZS
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Having long heard that the MG ZS was a rather special little car I decided to pit it against my Alfa GTV. Essentially a tuned Rover 45 saloon, the ZS has a reputation as a fine handling steed..while GTV's have their own following. Let battle commence!
Well, I really enjoy my MG ZS diesel. That only cost me £375, never does less than 50mpg, has only cost me about £200 in repairs over the last 3 years, has excellent seats, and handles really, really well.
The front splitter is missing off the front of the ZS. Looks to me like a 120+(1.8) which would be under powered compared to the Alfa. The ZS 180 are quick cars. The V6 engines were designed and produced using BMW money!!I have driven a lot of fast metal in my time from Porsches to Subarus. It is a WRX with slippers ( with out 4 wheel drive!!) but Tiff from 5th gear was right they handle so so well for a front wheel drive car. Only paid £300 for mine and it is a fantastic car. It has been driven all around europe over the last 5 years with not a beat missed ( now covered over 136k) I also own a ZR 160, ZT 190 & an MGF vvc so a little bias. MG 180 performance car bargain and under 90 cars left on the road in the UK, so the rare factor as well.
Underpowered is a relative thing Mg madness. The smaller K4 four cylinder ZS actually handles better than the KV6 ... As the late, great Colin Chapman frequently said...
Add lightness.
Giving my good lady a lift home after her office party in her MG ZS 120 a year or so back, I drove in case she had too much alcohol. In the small hours, we picked up a "Tail" in the form of a plain clothes dull as ditchwater BMW 3-Series.
I had seen this 3-series about before. So, decided to demonstrate how well our British little car can handle. Used the handling approaching and on a massive roundabout soon putting a respectable distance between us and the Bavaria product. All within the speed limit. Meantime my good lady "tut-tutting" alongside. She of course knows me very well but will never understand me. Good eh!
Two miles of dual carriageway later soon had the 3-Series almost tailgating again. Near home we turned off the dual carriageway still with our tail in close attendance. Very close to home on go the flashing blue lights so we pulled over.
Mobile plod quite polite with:~
"You were a tad brisk there Sir" ...
Just a routine check apparently and with no sign of alcohol on my breath no need for a breathaliser check. The bid us a safe journey.
Tad brisk ....Thinks, you betcha. Being pulled over by the British BiBs in a Bavarian Sierra... Oh the shame!! What is this Nation coming too.? Don't answer that. Statin' the bleedin' .. init.
Well when you have as many miles on your personal clocks as mine, it all helps to pass the time. Now where's my slippers. No pipe as kicked the nicotine habit over four decades ago. Plus my zimmer frame is faster than your'n... Added lightness alloy construction...init ... 😉
Never forget. Who put the M and G in MotorinG. It was there all the time.. 😉
"That car's bad-looking Man... Get somethin' else." [ E. Cochran 1959 ]... 😉
Actually the kv6 had a budget of 10 million, when the engine was almost finished kia offered powertrain ltd 10 million to develop an engine for them, so rover probably made it from kias money 🤣
Its a Rover engine not a Honda!
I drove a gtv for 8 years, still one of the best cars I’ve ever had. Thanks for the great review!!
His mg isn't working properly,inlet manifold and/or vis motors not working.I have a zs180 and to say it doesn't sound like a v6 is a joke,amazing characterful car,from 2800 revs upwards pulls very well,and the noise,that noise..
That is a distinction possibility.. others have also mentioned it! I will do my best to try another MG soon!
Great video! I own a GTV Twin Spark and I prefer driving it to my Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde and my Mercedes E 240. Much more rewarding drive.
Yes, great and underrated cars!!
got myself a 60th birthday pressy couple of months ago.. Alfa GTV 2 ts phaze 2 155bhp in blue... Just got back from taking her to Germany for a proper test.. OH what fun !!! grin just simply got bigger !
Still have my GTV 2.0 TS. Am considering getting a V6 Alfa GT but every time I think about selling the GTV, I don't want to part with it lol. Love the drone shots btw. Great piece of kit. Nice work.
How many times do U have to wrench on it? I am a car enthusiast and I feel it's obligated to have owned an Alfa, but I don't have the time anymore to wrench on my cars every weekend.
Can't see gtv videos cause it makes me want one so much.
Are you sure the vis motors were working in the mg that control the flaps in the manifold, they break a lot unless you buy the uprated ones. I had a zs saloon and took it out the first time and it felt like a normal car, it felt flat. I found out the vis motors were not working but once fixed the car was transformed. Difference being it then had enough power so you could feel the push back into the seat as soon as you accelerated and power felt instant. At around 4000rpm there is then another slight kick of power as the second set of flaps in the manifold open. I wish I never sold it
I have to admit I don't know.. however Phil was a journey at the launch event and knows them well.. he seemed to think this one was in fine health..
what you need 2 do , is to bounce the limiter before taking of. otherwise it has no chance against the very heavy alpha
First time I’ve heard anyone say the MG doesn’t sound like a V6. I’m guessing the VIS motors which are a known fault, were faulty causing the lack of torque and muted tone.
The engine is a Rover unit, not Honda it would be better to find theses things out before doing a review.
Given the choice between these I’d take the ZS every time.
Yes I think you’re right there...
I was present when 5th Gear filmed a three car shoot out for their TV programme at Snetterton. Jason Plato did the pedal pressing , knob shifting and wheel turning. One of the three cars was a V6 MG ZS. This was soon after production started. It was the V6 MG ZS very similar to the one here. Plato confirmed then that the MG ZS was the best handling front wheel drive car he's ever driven. Praise indeed.
Previously, at an MG event, I sampled a factory pre-production "mule" MG ZS V6. Driven by someone who could really make a car perform. Apart from the handling which for an ordinary car is as Plato later confirmed, very good for a front wheel drive car. the thing that really impressed me was the glorious sound that very willing V6 made. Superb. If #27 was not impressed by that example of a V6, then he was not driving it right or more likely, as others have suggested, something or things were not right.
Soon after I treated my better half to a new MG ZS in the same colour and interior as the one here. Only with the four cylinder 1.8 K-Series. The V6 was more car than needed for a family runabout. That car is in regular daily use some eighteen years later and has never missed a beat. My good lady is one of the many "un-car" car user non-enthusiasts. However, she does enjoy driving the ZS and praises it. That says an awful lot about that car. Like many fine British automotive products, underestimated by the British car consumers. Their loss. My always buys German friend and neighbour is convinced the reason my cars are so reliable is because of their ... wait for it... HONDA engines. Evidence of meejah Brainwashing right there!
He no longer castigates me for my choice of getting around. Not since his Stuttgart product left him stranded on the hard shoulder of the nearby M5 Motorway. Mind you, only cost the same to repair as I paid for the new MG ZS on the road price.
The Chinese owners of the marque have been very patient with the UK car consumers. For good reason, allowing sufficient passage of time before taking the UK car consumer market more seriously. Not my cup of tea, but, I see more and more Chinese MG SUV/Crossover types around locally and further afield in ever increasing numbers. Even my immediate next door neighbour has a new MG ZS EV parked now on their garage hard standing complete with charging point installed. . Where previously, both a Lexus and Mercedes once were parked. Speaking to owners of the various new MGs when parked next to them in the supermarkets, all without exception are pleased with their purchases. One woman when loading masses of shopping into the load space hatch, told me she is delighted with her MG. Previously always bought new Fords. How about that. Given marque/brand loyalty that takes some doing. The Chinese are not coming apparently, they have arrived. UK car consumers appear to like what they have to offer. Thanks to their shrewd decision, the MG marque not only lives on, but, appears to be thriving worldwide if reports on UA-cam are an accurate indication.
Finally, I'd much rather have a McLaren than a Ferrari ... I'm a bit "odd" like that..😉.... Keep safe whatever you drive..
To close, keep those Ferrari updates coming #27. warts and all. That way we all can learn and better enjoy our cars. ..👍..😉
Well thanks Jack! Now I'm feeling even more nostalgic for the Alfa Spider Twin Spark I sold 2 years ago. It only cost me £750, with maybe another 600 spent repairing the rear screen and rebuilding the suspension with poly bushes. That little gem never missed a beat and a colleague still owns it today. It was replaced with Giulietta QV which is also brilliant but somehow less charming.
Nothing can console me now..........except maybe a Maserati 4200GT.
Bugger!
The V6 GTV is the one to get the 2ltr engine is nice but the Busso V6 is a whole different game.
I have never driven the Alpha but have owned a 180 since 2006. That one didn't seem that fast and perhaps VIS motors not working. Mine has a twin pipe system fitted and sounds fantastic,proper V6 soundtrack. I cant see that Alpha outperforming a healthy ZS180. The double wishbones and 3 link trailing give it very good grip,and they do have a quick rack,dont know what the bloke is talking about. Always thought Alphas had electrical issues and reliability problems? My ZS has never missed a beat and now has a charmed life as a summer only hobby car. Will never sell it,good ones now getting hard to find,love it. Rick M
Bit more fact finding is a must before reviewing an MG.
The GTV is undoubtedly a nicer looking car but I'd still prefer a ZS 180 for tearing through some country lanes.
Hey Richard, it was short test and very much fist impressions. on the day I did say that with more time things may have changed but that bit did not make the cut.. youtube videos have to be kept short. Thanks for watching!!
I prefer the mg for looks outside and inside Alfa looks horrible outside mg is a better drive over all .
@@simonwalker1255 mg is so 90'es compared to Alfa GTV.That GTV will be classic one day,that MG will not.
@@simonwalker1255 - prefer the looks of the MG ZR to the ZS personally . ZR 160 looks like a hooligan and is best driven like one too, (high revs tearing along B roads). More understeer than the ZR apparently but still great fun. ever driven an Alfa, but the GTV is a great-looking car
@the Game, Review and Reallife Channel = yeah. that was a typo. ZR has morte understeer than the ZS apparently. Never driven a n ZS though
You'll find the ZS Mk1 Saloon looks alot better than the hatchback in the video which in my opinion is ugly, you should give the (Mk2) ZS 180 'Saloon' a go! Really dose look fantastic! probably one of the nicest Mg's they ever did, On the engine side of things the kv6 is from a land-rover 'Freelander' very strong engine and sounds lovely. I've always loved the Styling of the GTV! A true modern classic! One of the nicest alfa's!
The car being ested is a saloon - albeit a later post facelift version. ZR is the hatchback version, (although not available in V8 form)
As many people have said, I have to wonder about what was said about the engine in the ZS. I have driven my friend's ZS180 and it sounds both charismatic and very much like a V6. Admittedly his has a decatted stainless exhaust which helps, but still it was an excellent driving experience because of that engine coupled with a brilliant chassis
Perhaps this one was a bit tired but the decat would have made a big difference on the one you tried! Thanks for watching!!
Had 2 V6 ZS so underated car.
KV6 was Powertrain Ltd. Sister company of Rover.
Excellent video as always, keep up the good work :-)
Thanks for watching Ryan, much appreciate your comments too!!
The driving sections of your videos are much better without the generic music. Good going!
Roelf Kromhout glad you think so! Thanks Roelf!
Loving the drone footage - bravo!
The Alfa should have ben the 3.2V6-24V240Hk Busso for it to be proper,- yes, it would have been more nose heavy but, come on, it´s would have been a Busso,- preferably with a Ragazzon exhaust! Busso music!
Mg zs 180 now fetching over £2500 now . I have facelift one and seats not as good as mk1 , I have spare set of door handles as they break , other than that nice car. Regards mark
That’s not a V6 MG. 99% sure it’s a 1.8L 120+
It's is 😂, got myself one not so long ago for my first car. Although the handles for the doors break easily and it's hard to find good quality replacements.
Great video fella,GTV is for me
I love Alfas, I had a 156 V6 and it was one of the few cars that got under my skin, it was a joy to drive but the build quality was too patchy for me. I have recently bought a Hyundai Coupe 2.0L SE and have been pleasantly surprised by the build quality, ride and handling... a very underrated car imo and you can buy decent low mileage examples for under 1500.
Driven one in the past...they were very good little cars those Hyundais and great value too! thanks for watching buddy!
the Alfa every time, obviously. But then I would say that, I sold it to you :) I miss it!
Hey!! How's South America going? was nice to own it for a while.. funny that another GTV mad lady bought it from me!! Do you know it was featured on Pistonheads Shed of the Week?
louisejane wakefield nah the MG
Although the ZS comes in a salon this one you are driving is a hatchback
Seems to be missing something off the front bumper as well
very true Chris, can't believe i mucked that up... well i can actually!
That is a saloon. ZS' were all saloons. ZR was the hatchback version, and ZT the estate
@@mattylamb9194 The car in the vid is a hatchback. The ZS came in saloon or hatchback (based on the Rover 45) & all ZR's were hatchback (based on the Rover 25).
The ZT came in saloon & estate versions (ZT-T) based on the Rover 75 saloon & tourer
A great comparison video. Alfa for me too. My Dad had a string of 400's / 45's (not the Z versions I'll admit) as company cars when they were new - God I hated them. I'd not long passed my driving test and would always take my Mum's Zetec Fiesta given the choice :)
The ZS is a completely different animal
The Alfa all day long, it has the style and its Italian lol
It was for me the better choice.. but both great value!
I'd really like to see a comparison between the Alfa 196 Spider and the MGF roadster.
I've had both at the same time and alfas better, mgf is better ride tho
Steering is a bit weird in the mg as well, early electric system, seemed to let go earlier than the alfa, k series engine is strong tho and makes a nice sound, alfa interior is miles better as well.
Sad to see the GTV go. She won't be the last owner ha ha. Good vid.
You need to push it past 4000 rpm the mg zs.
Indeed - just like the Honda Civic Vtec.
The Alfa looks like a much nicer car all round.
Yep.. it's not Datsun Z... but still!!
Ah just spotted something. That engine shot of the Twin Spark is not your car ;) Sure the red paint is a giveaway but that's not what I noticed first. The phase 1 GTV 2.0 TS engine does not look like that. That's a later Phase 2 engine. I had the 98 Phase 1 TS, and now I have the 2002 Ph2 TS and a 147 TS, and the engine you show is the same as both of the latter cars, but not the first ;) God I'm an Alfa nerd.
To explain, the earlier TS engine has a metal covering, while the later engines have the plastic as shown. Most noticeable visual difference.
That's true as I have a 97 phase 1. Phase1 has a nicer cover
Somewhat predictable result really; the MG has Honda origins, the Italian Alfa is, more charismatic, more likeable and more fun. If you pitted it against the GTV V6, there would be no contest. I have one, and it makes you think you could never drive anything but an Alfa.
Yes a V6 would have been great.. they do say however that the 2.0 TS is the one to have chassis wise! Thanks for watching!
could be, some also argue that because the V6 is all-alloy, and therefore relatively light, there isn't much in it. Good vid, BTW
I'll definitely have to try one, to be honest either way I'm sure the V6 will make the trade off worth while. Thanks for the compliments on the vid!
I'd pit my GTV V6 3.2L anytime against your MG ;)
The K series V6 and Inline 4 arent Honda engines they are Rover. No MG has a Honda engine
I had the ZS 180 and put 90k miles on it over 4 years. The car was thirsty but good for the cost I suppose. I'm sure when it came out the 180bhp was good but by today standard it's pretty slow. I'm now in a 335bhp M240i and will JB4 it to 400.
Great, thanks for your feedback. Interesting to know!
and if you take the facelift version of the GTV, the interior is even 10 times more attractive and with improved seats.
You mean the first facelift? Because the last was uglier in my opinion...
@@Number27 yeah ment to say frist facelift. Second facelift just did not fit. Front end is to modern compared to the rest of the car
I went to look at ZS's new in 2004, when I started to recognise parts bin syndrome I didn't bother with it. Think I saw a switch or something that I had in my '89 Metro, put me off. I'd have one now funnily enough, wouldn't bother me, but when buying new it was a deal breaker. KV6 engine is a Rover domestic produced unit, not outsourced.
Goof to hear from you again Patrick!! Its a good little car this.. I think this one needed a small fix on the engine which would have sorted the lack of character and punch. But for £1500 it's a lot of car! Hows the Nova going?>
I'm always lurking around Jack ;) I've put about 1000 miles onto the Nova now - largely all is fantastic with it! A few electrical gremlins I need to trace down now, it's getting a bit temperamental, and I need to do something about the idle air control valve too, it can either cut out or give me 2k rpm idle depending on how it feels on the day! I really need to ditch the beetle 'box and fit a Porsche G50 so I can actually use all the available grunt without worrying all the time, but I can't afford it currently, they aren't exactly 10 a penny these days. I'm up for a day's filming if you fancy it?
Yeahhh, nice wheels on that GTV.
That 2.0 Twin spark Alfa engine is one of the best they ever made: spun-up nice and quick, had a lovely midrange power and used to give 40+ to the gallon at motorway speeds. I always thought the 156 Sportwagon had the best looking rear end, too.
Yep, very nice little unit that one!!
The most important thing is that you DID recover your costs - so what next????
For now I will stick to two car David.. got to fix the porsche still too!!
I prefer the Alfa Gtv, also if in the video it's a "base" version. Much better a phase 2 and V6 ;)
Will try a V6 soon.. do love the Busso V6 engine!! Thanks for watching buddy!
It’s a shame the a little more research wasn’t done before making this as it would’ve made for a good video as there aren’t many good videos on UA-cam for the ZS. I don’t believe that was a V6. It didn’t sound like the KV6, more like a 1.8 vvc and a decent reviewer would’ve known a bit about the cars. He should’ve known they didn’t have Honda engines.
The saloon version of the zs180 is a much nicer car, my brother had one a long time ago, very nice car and a nice engine possibly from the Honda legend.?
Comparing the wrong cars tbh, sheds yes but how can a small saloon compare to a sports coup?
I get your point..., but when it comes to this price range ultimately they are both cars with very similar performance. So if you want a cheap sport car both would qualify. Thanks for watching1 I'll check out your channel :)
The ZS V6 is a Rover unit, albeit after being significantly uprated after it was first plagued with issues when seen in some 1996 Rover 800s. Having driven both, and also the GTV V6 for a fair while. I have to say that your review is probably the most biased nonobjective and nonsensical comparison i have ever seen. The MG is leagues ahead of a 2.0 4 cylinder GTV as a sports car in terms of handling and fun. It would also absolutely annihilate the GTV on any track. Comparatively speaking I would say the Alfa has poor steering feel and they under-steer badly when pushing on, where the ZS has good steering feel and stunning chassis balance for a FWD car. The Alfa driving position is also, as usual, abominable unless you are extremely short legged. I know you are an Alfa fan and that is fair enough but at least try and be objective if you are doing a comparison or you are just wasting peoples time. How can you say the engine in the ZS does not sound like a V6? It may not sound as good as the Alfa V6 which sounds amazing as we all know, but the ZS V6 sounds miles better than any 4 pot, including the Alfa one.
I can report on what I feel when I drive the cars. Others have mentioned the Rover engine in this particular car may not have been up to scratch, that’s possible. But that Alfa 4 pot is the best 4 modern 4 cylinder out there and on the day the Alfa felt like a better car. Neither is good as track car so really did not figure in my decision. Yes the driving position is not great in the Alfa but for me that was not a clincher. I do like Alfa’s but have also been very critical as you can see from some of my other videos. Thanks for watching in any case!
Ooh someone's feelings got hurt lol.
That well known nobody Jason Plato agrees with you Dingolfing. Who knew ?.....👍..😉
Plenty of ignorance evidence on these exchanges here of the effectiveness of UK Media Fake News Automotive Brainwashing. Been going on for years.
Twenty years ago, contacted ebay seller as I was considering buying his nice Rover Vitesse Sport Turbo. He described the car as having the very powerful and reliable Honda Turbocharged Engine. On the phone I told the seller if it did have the Honda engine, I would not be bidding. I could almost here his Jaw drop in disbelief. I also said if his Spark Plug cover had the large letters R O V E R on it, then Soichiro Honda would be spinning in his grave at 20,000 rpm like his GP bikes that some other manufacturer would dare to put their name on one of his power plants. "But is MUST be a Honda, it's so reliable and powerful".
I won the auction and as I took his Rover away, I believe he will always be convinced that his nice Rover Vitesse had a Honda engine!
A lady friend asked me to look at a Rover 25 on the firm's notice board for sale. The colleague selling the car with 120,000 reliable miles on it described it as having a Honda engine. I lifted the bonnet to reveal Rover's 1.4 K-Series. I asked when was it last serviced. The reply that it passed the MoT a few months ago and being a Honda engine, they are so reliable they don't need servicing. Some folks are beyond the proverbial. Save you asking, yes, I did not recommend she buy that car.
Yes, I do blame UK media in all its FAKE NEWS forms ( ongoing) for such widespread ignorance in the land of the increasingly self-inflicted.
You couldn't make stuff like this up even if you tried.
Finally cue Clarkson's Hamster Sidekick's poisonous loud outburst on Top Gear :~
MGFs ARE RUBBISH!!
No signs of bias there then soon off to big up Oriental product. I wonder why. No I don't.
Alfa no doubt!
Next shed? Older jdm car? Civic, galant,...
I currently own a Volvo 360 track car. good Fun rwd :).
Or putting some money in the porsche 2wd?
No way, the 360 track car sound absolutely immense fun!!! I do need to use the cash to fix the Porsche I think!! where do you live? would be great to do a vid on the 360..
Number27
After years of driving Trackdays with various cars, i decided to step up to competitive racing. Low budget. So i'm racing in the dnrt Volvo 360 cup (dutch cup with tracks like zandvoort, zolder, spa, assen). I live in Belgium.
5th november: Trackday by night in zolder!
Puzzling so many here prefer the looks of the Italia Job rather than the British MG.
To my old minces, the front of the Alfa looks bland and then some. The four piggy like eye sockets in those four simple round holes adds further blandness. Just plain ugly. The wedge lines of the Alfa in side view lack elegance.
So my prejudicial view of the Italia Job ( yes prejudicial because we've had a MG ZS in the family fleet since new in 2003 ) . It passed its MoT today by the way. So all things considered :~
"That car's bad-looking Man... Get somethin' else." [ E. Cochran 1959 ]... 😉
Shoulda gone to specsavers mate.😎
It's a K-Series V6 with 180BHP. It has similar head gasket issues as the 1.8 K-Series.
It really doesn't. The KV6 was virtually bullet proof compared to those engines.
You have an Alfa that won accolades galore when released yet you are surprised it’s such a good car because it’s now old? Lol. Let’s stick the same thought process to an E30 M3 or an ageing Ferrari then as well because they too are now old! Bizarre.
GTV ALL DAY!
Alfa all the way I'm afraid, I have the Spider version of the 916 with the 2.0 TS and it's a lovely car to drive.
I prefer the Alfa, personally it's a much better looking car inside and out. The MG ZS looks like a bad attempt to copy a BMW.
Agreed Carlos.. it was more fun all round!
Rover was owned by BMW :) They made the 75
Snobs, who cares when its this cheap? If it makes you happy then so be it, plus its an MG, nufc said
comparing sedan with 2door
Mg for me no doubt.alfa reliability iffy .
@Petr Vrána Bovine Excrement. Unlike you, Helen clearly knows her stuff. .. "iffy" very apt.
the Alfa is the better car in every department
Mong... word of 2017 ;)
The Alfa is so much more desirable. I'm not sure you'll find anyone to agree with Phil I'm afraid. Great review as always.
Thanks for watching Alex, much appreciated and your kind comments too!! Buy a GTV, they are such bargains if you get a good one!!
Number27 I should of sold my project mx5 and bought yours!
Cheap it may be but that GTV is a lovely little car, whereas furry dice wouldn't look out of place in the ZS.
I’d rather have the Fiat Coupe over the GTV, it’s a better/faster car in every way except rear suspension.
Interesting to hear that Per.. I've not heard that viewpoint before. Sure the turbo is very fast and the interior is nice but a better handler than the Alfa?
Number27 exactly, the only area where the Alfa has the edge over the Fiat I would say is in the handling, due to the multilink setup of the GTV.
As fot the Coupe 20VT it’s faster, more practical (4 useable seats + luggage), more spacious, lovely design in & out, solid build, even economical, all compared to GTV V6. Not to mention tunable.. the bulletproof 5cyl can take a lot. I settled for a sensible 340hp and drove for many happy years!
(I struggle to beat my Fiat Coupe Nürburgring BTG in my current Z4M Coupe!)
Fiat is a good car . Shame the timing belt is an engine out job and £1500 ouch
David Gibson Why do people cling on to this myth..? It’s NOT an engine out job & it’s less than half of that for the job. Not more than any other car.
Certain similarities in their looks too
Thanks for the video although there is further insight in this ZS review (and a better sorted car): ua-cam.com/video/OPuIjROif3s/v-deo.html
The mg is a much better looking car the alpha is ugly,I've drove both and the mg is a much better car imo.
One of these defies time and remains quite amazingly pretty to boot.
The other is grandma when she needs to get a semi move on!
The mg is just a Honda Accord, built in Britain, tarted up in MG drag. That Alfa is so sexy, I'd drive it if it were powered by hamsters on a wheel that refuse to do more than a walk that's slightly energy, maybe like they smelled something they don't like, and decided to switch which side of their cage they sleep on... about that speed, and I'd still choose the Alfa. I need to figure out how to get pne of these stunning Alfa GTV rad rolling art, sexified, Italian super model hotties registered, insured, and legal in the U.S.?
And you a Ferrari man! How very dare you compare these two! Bit like comparing a Michelangelo with a cartoon. Looks-wise (and for its Busso engine especially), the GTV 3.0. V6 is an icon; whereas the MG looks like a bog-standard rep's car, a bland jelly-mould non-entity with absolutely no charm, charisma or elan! - When a car looks that boring who cares what lump's inside it! 😎 (PS much enjoying the Influenza series!)
The MG is a Honda for christ sake
Honda do make good quality cars.
@@dahotrod1533 - indeed. Honda make excellent hot cars
But maybe Per Eldh is from the USA? Think they were massively under-tuned over there. Whereas I don;t think many Alfas exist there?
@@mattylamb9194 shame the mg zs didn't have the t16 turbo in it from factory.
@@dahotrod1533 Several MG ZS and MG ZR owners have successfully done that Rover T-Series Engine transplant. Have driven three such examples... beyond impressive.
I'd like to put a T-Series turbo into an MG ZT. It has been done but far more work is involved with the MG ZT than with the smaller ZRs and ZSs. I even have a low mileage "donor" Rover 620ti on stand by but, health issues mean its a project on the back burner now so may never be realised.
Back in the day and now, I prefer Petrol Turbos. I waited before ordering my new MG ZS hoping Longbridge would put the Turbocharged K- Series 1.8 into the MG ZS.
It never came to pass so ordered a NASP 1.8. Missed opportunity.
Sometime later, after April 2005, speaking to a former Longbridge "insider" he told me the reason that did not happen was because they felt the 1.8T would be a better option than the Top Spec ZS V6. Could be. Having driven several MG ZT 1.8 K-Series Turbos, I can understand that was maybe a consideration. I thought when they first appeared, even a Turbocharged 1.8 K-Series would not be an attractive proposition in the larger ZT. I was wrong about that, very wrong. Far better than some so called experts would have us believe.
I’ll skip on those ta
first yay
What's the yay for? cause i'm not wearing pJ's?
Gran Turismo Veloce is a something special and not to be compared with this MG!
The GTV is a lovely car, future classic for sure!