What to Look for in a CRT TV - Budget to Best
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- While the Xbox Series, PS5, and Nintendo Switch have made decent strides in allowing us to play classic games on modern consoles, nothing beats playing those games on the consoles they were made for on CRT TVs which they look best on!
In this episode of Budget to Best, Seth Macy drops his favorite tips on finding the perfect CRT TV for your retro gaming needs, no matter what your budget and what to look for while on that search. We hope you’ve cleared some space on your shelf, because these things are HEFTY! Whether you’re looking to play retro games on a SNES, N64, PlayStation 2, or Dreamcast, you’ll wanna check out our favorite tips.
Don’t forget, small is sometimes better. If you play mostly by yourself, a little crt on your desk is very fun.
Not to mention, those big ones are HEAVY.
@@mlmattinI use my daughter's station wagon to pull that beast. That thing is a monstrosity.
Yup, just picked up a 14" DVD combo last night for $10. I'm stoked!
Thanks for driving up the prices again , IGN.
I'm very picky when it comes to a CRT TV, if it's not a flat screen, is bigger than 19" - 27" inches, doesn't have component outputs, then I'm not interested in it
@@lldjslim why the flat screen though? Then light guns won’t work right.
@@pabloescoe
Flat screen just looks better than the bubble screen
Light guns work perfect with a flat screen
@@lldjslim really? I’ve had trouble with them. Maybe it was just me.
@@pabloescoe
I'm using a Sony trinitron wega kv-20fs120
My tip for anyone entering the hobby is the diminishing returns going from a later model CRT to a PVM. It just isn't worth the thousand-dollar premium. If you can find a PVM for free, sure why not. But an early 2000s model Sony WEGA with component for example is ~95% of the way there and can be found for free. And if you are comfortable giving it a proper calibration, most people would fail an A/B test between the two on 240p content.
Spot on! You don't need a PVM a quality CRT TV is perfect for even 'enthusiasts'
It's near impossible to find Sony Wegas for free.
uh bone up on law of diminishing returns.
Fun video, Seth! CRTs are also an important part of Game Preservation. It's the display format most retro games were designed to be played on. From the aspect ratio to the assets used to make up the images to even the timing (PAL, NTSC). A lot of systems and organizations that claim they are preserving games are just using modded retro hardware, but with modern digital outputs which not only alters how some games play (some are unplayable due to lag), but isn't a 1:1 presentation/preservation of how the game originally launched and what the developers intended.
The stuff that Analog has done is amazing but ubfortunately they're discontinuing their Genesis/SNES consoles.
I'm very picky when it comes to a CRT TV, if it's not a flat screen, is bigger than 19" - 27" inches, doesn't have component outputs, then I'm not interested in it
@@lldjslim why paste this in so many random reply’s just leave a comment 😂
@@BenGilmanhe’s waiting to see if someone argues or praises so he can get more info from people
One of the few advantages we have in PAL areas is the SCART cable, even still shows up on most modern TVs i've seen
Scart plugs just breaks easy.
All hail the SHART cable
50 HZ
@@MyBrothersKeeper101my pal crt TV does 60HZ and has scart
@@MyBrothersKeeper101most crts made in the 21st century can switch 60/50hz automatically.
Manufacturors standardized on drivers that would just autoswitch so its less SKUs
Power supplies aren’t cross compatible though 110/220v
Found several CRTs on craigslist for free recently.
Craigslist and the Facebook market place is a gold mine. 👍
@@mrbungle589 And Kijijji Canada..
Seth, that wasn't a Wega Sony pictured. Just a normal S/V/XBR Sony. Wegas were the completely flat Trinitrons and had HD and SD variants-- XBR>V>S. They had 30 and 34" in 16:9 and had 32, 36, and 40" in 4:3. The Sony Wegas and the JVC I'Arts were probably the best ones out there for CRTs.
Definitely get some well built friends to move that 40" lol
@@coonyman10I have a tree stump and a stack of books underneath our folding table to keep my Sony from collapsing it.
I've grew up with the 80s woodgrain crt tv, 90s black curved Philip's tv, and mid 2000s silver tv. N64 and PS2 were my childhood.
You managed to take me on a 3 decade journey in under 15 seconds by describing each TV and the casing they came in. Thank you. Takes me back.
You know you're old when you're laughing over how to describe a CRT TV to young people. Hilarious
IGN making it sound so sophisticated lol
Oh man lol, you right tho😂. Shout out to the floors of our old homes that suffered from holding those heavy @$$ FLOOR MODEL CRT’s down 🤣🤣🤣.
Don't get started on vcrs yet
For Gen Xers... The gen that grew up along side the video game industry as it grew, but Millennials & Zoomers refuse to acknowledge exist... All of this stuff isn't retro. It's just what we had back in the day. And we liked it! It's only been 15-or-so-odd-years since the standards (16:9, HDMI) we're used to now started to become widely adopted. I'm grateful for the advances in die shrink technology, but there are still some things analog does better than digital and always will.
@@PLAYER_42069Millennials also grew up with crts, 16 bit, 32/64 bit consoles and gaming industry, while still niche, growing along with it as well. You may have a point with gen z, you're wrong about millennials.
HDCRT TVs (Edit: TVs, not monitors like Sony's PVM line) are pretty awful for anything older than a PS2. They generally can only output 540p (upscaled from 480p) or 1080i (native, upscaled from 720p, or interlaced 1080p). Anything 480i and 240p is (lag-inducingly) upscaled to 1080i, and looks pretty terrible. They're great for PS3/360/Wii, and the select games that do 480p on PS2/DC/XB/GC, but you're much better off with a with even a mid-range Standard Def model with S-Video for anything older than that.
This^ Thank you for speaking the truth!
does the 480p stay 480p, or get upscaled to 540p? is 480p laggy on them?
@@dubson965 It depends on the set. All Philips, Toshiba sets before 2003, Samsung sets before 2005, All panasonic sets, present 480p and 1080i as separate scanning ranges and are lagless at those resolutions.
All Sony, All JVC, Toshiba sets post 2003, Samsung sets post 2005, and others scale 480p to 540p and have some lag at that resolution. 1080i may have some lag too, but not as much.
@@loganjones4650 What about Magnavox???
and most do 100Hz processing as well, introducing lag and killing Duck Hunt.
Love CRTs. They are gold. Especially Trinitrons.
Look out for the Toshiba AF too
Agreed
My son just turned 13 and he's never even seen a CRT in action. Tried explaining to him that a CRT the size of our 75" flat panel would take up most of the living room and would weigh about half a ton. His mind was blown.
And this video will help prices sky rocket.
In Europe, you should make sure whether the TV you're buying has RGB and S-video input via SCART, and whether it can display PAL 50 Hz and 60 Hz, and NTSC signals.
Most Euro TVs that have SCART do also receive RGB, but not all receive S-video. While later models generally can display 60 Hz and NTSC, many older models can only do PAL 50 Hz.
The CRT journey is not for everyone and maybe not even for most people. However, if you're just enough of a purist, like me, that prefers to experience media in the way it was originally envisioned, it can be incredibly satisfying to be playing classic games on real hardware and in the glow of a true cathode ray accelerator.
A fellow man of culture *tips hat*
As a man who recently got a 27 inch Sony Trinitron from 1998 and is currently playing xenogears on that thing *tips hat*
Just main a plasma set and it’d be like setting the CRT filter
Need that 0 Ms response time of the CRT. It's absolutely Paramount. Try playing Mike Tyson's Punch-Out through an emulator with a modern TV with 5 + milliseconds lag.
@@MyBrothersKeeper101 man the 0ms on the crt tvs is amazing and it is not comparable to anything, people dont even know
This is also a viable solution for playing games that don't have lag calibration (e.g. Guitar Hero (2005).)
As long as you get one that works and it's free, that's what matters. You can use em for light guns.
Not really get one with atleast composite then your fine
Not anymore Sony Trinitron probably cost $500 now
Playing PES 2009 and Syphon Filter on a CRT brings ne memories...
Throw a Sega Genesis on a CRT via component cables or SCART converted to component, and it looks amazing. Also Sega Saturn.
Agreed with Saturn!
Hard to find them now without people selling them as "collectable"
Because they are. People who want them want them for a reason. Where there is demand, the price will adjust accordingly.
@@bnr32jasonfacts
@@bnr32jason fk capitalism
Great. Now people will increase 🙄 the price of CRT TVs even more. Also, 1080i is really bad for retro games. HD CRTs are great for media content and maybe PS2 and newer, but not for 32 bit and older consoles.
Just get one at a yard sale for $20 dude jfc.
@@ioasisyumich naa, side of the road for free B)
Yup input lag
I'm very picky when it comes to a CRT TV, if it's not a flat screen, is bigger than 19" - 27" inches, doesn't have component outputs, then I'm not interested in it
found my wide screen hd crt from 2005 back in 2020 for free with stand and remote its been a joy from heaven since.
some other benefits of crt tv not mentioned in the video = 0 input lag and gun games compatible
Picked up an old 20 inch Panasonic flat screen crt with vhs and DVD combo and it's awesome
Nice!
Sony trinitron have fun loading picking it up
There goes the market
Xbox 360 + VGA cable + CRT pc monitor = awesome!
CRT is a lifestyle
1:44 Gotta take points off for using the term "VHS player."
Ugh, stop advertising CRTs to the masses and increasing demand. 🤦♂️
Imagine what Facebook market place is going to look like now lmao
If you didnt want to spend money on CRT, let alone store the chunk of it plus many original console, Retroarch have a decent emulated CRT Shader called CRT Geom that could be set however you want. It can simulate the curve, the moire pattern, the dot of CRT quite well
The whole point of CRT isn't really just the look, its the near zero input lag.
Dude you can just get one for free or like 10$
@@DiSCERiTYeh, a lot of people actually do like them for the ascetic so...
The CRT TVs can be found...only at 2nd hand stores ( or flea market above anywhere else )
You didn’t mention the older dipole antenna connection. RF was a step up from that.
For Europe, the gold standard in cables is SCART, which makes consoles like the SNES output RGB without modding.
By the way RGB, that’s another rabbit hole, but well worth it for the retro gaming enthusiast
That's not entirely true. SCART is simply a connection standard, it can pass through composite and RGB. For example, the SNES Mini/Jr can't output RGB natively, but it also has the circuitry for the best overall image quality, so you have to RGB mod it still or else it's just passing composite through the SCART cable.
@@bnr32jason Don't forget SCART also transmits S-video, many SCART TV's have no S-video plugs, as you feed the signal through SCART. S-video is usually very close to RGB quality.
Just picked up a Sony Trinitron 29 inch with component, and three composite jacks (no s video sadly). Got it for free, so very happy
Technically if you have a RGB to component transcoder you can run SNES Genesis and PlayStation on a CRT with component because those consoles support RGB video
Fun change of pace!
You missed SCART connectors. They supports sVideo, Composite and even RGB which is clearer than Component. Not common in the USA, but they are everywhere else
It not being common in the US is likely why they glossed over it.
SCART does not support svideo, only composite and RGB.
RGB is not "cleaner" than YPbPr. It has equal color separation and bandwidth, but uses the luma color space. They are essentially the same, with a matrix transformation. The myth of YPbPr being worse comes from poor YPbPr decoding on devices like the framemeister and some RGB moddable consumer TVs. RGB modding on these sets bypasses other circuitry that may negatively affect the image, such as velocity modulation, which people incorrectly assume to be the consequence of YPbPr.
Rgb and component looks the same to me.
Yeah USA basically non-existent*
@@ShankMods Great reply!
you can find CRT's on the low very often if you know where to look
Made a lengthy, polite, informational comment correcting the misinformation in this video and providing additional context, IGN deletes it. Sounds about right.
Once OLED monitors and low latency upscalers become cheaper than an arm and a leg the last of the CRTs can finally rest in the museums
Well, to be on par with a CRT it would also need to have MPRT roughly equivalent to a 1000hz OLED being fed a 1000fps image (MPRT can be lowered by BFI too but at the cost of luminance which you need a LOT of to match the motion and brightness of a CRT).
Input lag is another big area that arguably doesn't matter a whole lot but is something CRTs retain an edge in, the input latency of a CRT is so low that it's easier to just call it lagless than get into semantics. This is why light gun games work on a CRT but pretty much no flat panel displays and also why smash bros players are up in arms over them.
The way it handles the image is to me the most important part however, lacking actual pixels results in a MUCH more appealing look for low resolution media which while it can be *somewhat* replicated by scanline shaders IMO doesn't quite compare to the authentic experience. Also doesn't help that you can't really do interlacing properly (yknow, the thing CRTs were actually designed to display that accounts for a fair amount of titles released on these retro consoles) and deinterlacing is absolutely a different look.
We've had low latency scalers and OLED displays for years now but it's going to take a lot more to replace their functionality, you also won't ever be able to replace the authenticity of matching your game consoles to the proper kind of display.
Modern displays have pretty thoroughly conquered issues with lag, but they're still horrible when it comes to motion resolution. Black frame insertion can help a little, but unless you have an LG CX that supports 120hz BFI, you're not getting anything close to what a CRT does without any special settings. And even then, there are big tradeoffs in brightness and flicker than will make that feature pretty worthless for most people.
CRTs retro gaming TVs? That’s an understatement.
Yes they’re great for retro gaming, but also great for VHS watching. Nothing matches the way a CRT can display old VHS tapes they look wrong on a modern Flat Screen TV at 16:9.
Snagged me a little CRT yesterday for $20 😏
There go the prices hikes on retro again
I’m loving 2023 … moving backwards
"Budget to Best" was not covered at all here tbh. All you did was explain that Component is better than Composite and demo'd a budget Daewoo. Plus you called a 27" Wega a "grail".
This video is a nothing-burger.
Just picked up a Panasonic Tau dvd vhs for 20$ last week after my Sony Trinatron had a accident 😢 I cried but it’s getting so hard that find a crt😮
This the type of tv you gotta smack the side a couple times for the picture and sound to work correctly
What?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but light guns don't work on HD crts.
Some HD CRTs had issues with LAG and Sync with when connected to consoles.
Yeah that was typically on consoles older than the ps2 or gamecube.
Your intro rant and rave about spending money emulators etc was SPOT ON!!!!!
Got a Samsung flat screen HD crt that has tons of hookups got it free it’s a 32 inch it’s insanely heavy
Still have my 27 in crt and rocking the n64 and then some
Bring back CRTs!!!!
Too expensive unfortunatelly
Basically what ever you can find locally
What about plasma tvs those look great too
sony trinitron still the best for crt tv in general ,
great condition SD trinitron 25 , 27, 29 inch destroy all pvm/bvm
Bravo.......am fm stereo receive .......they have lots of hook ups.....cheers
Thank you for making this video! 🙏🏽 It’s been hard to find info in an easily digestible video like this one lol
Samsung GX TV periodt
agreed
Some "old" games are unplayable with Digital Input Lag.
I'm not a fan of people (like this guy) who hoard a ton of CRTs and don't even use them on a regular basis. You're part of the reason why these this are in such high demand and so expensive.
My brother in Christ most of these would probably end up in landfill anyway.
@@aKuBiKu There’s literally no way of knowing that. Perhaps others could’ve gotten to them before this guy. Either way there’s no need to gatekeep an entire mountain of CRTs.
CRTs, you say?
one of the best IGN VIDEOS
The sensible thing is to invest a little money into RGB/HDMI solutions and an OSSC. Bring the hardware to the 21st century. You won't regret it.
S-Video was amazing
got a Toshiba mw20f52 with a built in vhs/dvd player
To my understanding, HD CRT’s aren’t great for gaming due to the input lag and native res. Don’t loose sleep over letting it go
It's all about the SCART here in PAL land. Nice and easy RGB. 50hz is a pain though granted.
Most proper SCART TV's are multi-region. All my Trinitrons can handle 50 and 60i signals.
Not sure why a company didn’t still make a new crt for gaming?
Because its a niche market.
@@TheLinkmaster007exactly
MISTer FPGA With a component crt is the way
It's easy to convert them to hdmi
the chances of me finding one in my town are slim ive checked everywhere well it doesnt help that im looking for like anything under 20 inches but its gonna be harder now since demand for them are going up and people will charge a hefty sum for such old tvs
Seth Macy is my spirit animal.
There is an alternative, although not perfect you can often get LCD TVs with 640X480 60P native resolution for almost nothing.
Forgot that the US TVs didn't usually have SCART, like the TVs in Europe did
Perfect TV's for retro game collectors.
Got a Toshiba 14inch screen with built in dvd player in amazing shape today for $25. They retail on eBay anywhere from $90-$150. The prices are ridiculous tbh really sad
Sony GDM-FW900 is still the best and most legendary CRT display ever created.
It's a hard choice between that a Sony bvm-20L5
Why? What makes it the best and most legendary?
What, did you watch *insert popular UA-cam video* and suddenly develop this original opinion? How many do you own/have you seen and used in person?
mmmm
@@tjbnable Hard choice? Hardly. The FW900 and just about any other high end PC CRT absolutely decks the majority of professional/broadcast video monitors. The biggest edge the 20L5 has is it properly handles 240p but beyond that I'd say the FW900 is a far far more impressive display overall.
Frankly, it doesn't matter what CRT brand. If you got a Trinatron amazing. But any other CRT are great especially when you RGB mod them which then turn into a full on arcade monitor. Arcades use RGB input and every arcade game you played in the past were not all SONY but different brands. In sum, Trinatrons are great, it doesn't make them the be all of CRTs. That said they are essential to retro gaming preservation especially if you wanted to experience the same stuff as it was back then.
still, a CRT should be in a 4:3 format. Only the wii outputs in real 16:9.
Technically it isn’t “real” widescreen until the resolution is at least 720p. Wii supports 480i/480p which are 4:3 resolutions. All the Wii does in the widescreen mode is stretch pixels.
The GameCube can output 16:9 in specific games with the greatest example being Super Mario Strikers.
@@SALTYTOAD00 So do PS2 and Xbox in specific games.
So do PS2 and Xbox in specific games.
mmm
RCA and composite connections. Saved you 7 mins of your life. ✌️
HD crt tv has input lag
we have a Sony Trinitron that we are trying to get rid of… if only we could find someone who wants it
A giant Sony WEGA is worth half the space of your game room. 😂 seriously! 🔥🔥
That Sony here in this video is not a Wega. A Wega is flat, like the Daewoo you're displaying in accordance to this video. Other than that, great video!
latest trinitrons and wega are flat indeed
JVC Gang in the house
My Grandma still has a 27 inch Sony CRT. 🤣
Your grandma rocks
Swap it silently for a 25€ Bravia from 2009 and put a red bow around it.
Dude try to see if you can get it from her
.... The list of consoles that DO NOT support S-Video is SHORTER.
No S-video: NES, Genesis, Turbo Grafx, SNES Jr.
Systems WITH S-Video: Standard SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii, PS1, PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, Saturn, Dreamcast... S-Video is the NORM.
Very awesome
Component first followed by s video then at the very least composite. And if it only has rf unless you just want snes/genesis or older it's not worth it.
my grandma approves.
Full retro no doubt. Emulation doesnt cut it for me
There are certain games that are playable only on CRTs because of input\display lag alone. The top Super Metroid speedrunners, all use CRTs for a reason. Same goes for the top Smash tournaments
Found a emerson from 2007 (as it say's on back of TV) can't get the input to work so right now it's useless, just sitting on my work table waiting to get fixed, came here to try and find a solution.
Is there any noticeable difference between a Phillips with component and a sony wega with component? It's all just 480i at the end of the day with the same amount pixels right?
Doesn't everyone in red states in America still have a crt TV?
1080i CRT, no thanks, input lag was horrible on those
2023 and I’ve found the Sony Trinitron that he got for free for $40 I’m pumped!
should have mentioned rgb modding a consumer crt now that all the dweebs like me bought all the pvm/bvm/gdm when they were $0.
For practicality? Emulation on modern systems. For collecting? CRT and original console or computer
All of these older games from PS2, GameCube, Xbox, PS1, Saturn, N64, etc look better and feel smoother on a CRT though. These games were designed with CRT in mind and even if you emulate a PS2 game to run at native 4k, it will still look worse than running it on a CRT TV using s-video at 480i resolution. Those old games were just not meant to run at high resolutions. The textures and geometry limitations become very apparent and just destroy the artistic look of the game. Whereas on a CRT any visual shortcomings and flaws the game has can be masked and obscured leaving your mind to fill in the gaps and precieve the game looking better than it really is. Also CRTs have a natural form of anti-aliasing that gives these games a very particular look that is almost impossible to emulate. Emulation might be more practical but it's not the best way to enjoy older games. Original hardware on CRTs will almost always be the better experience.