Urban Gondolas: Transit by Cable
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2018
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Produced in sunny Sacramento, California.
Filmed on location in Medellin, Colombia.
"What's that spaghetti doing on that map?" you ask? It's a reference to a spaghetti junction: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_Junction.
My question has been answered. Thank you
oh hey was about to ask lol thanks
Interesting video! It’s interesting how these
City Beautiful I literally was gonna ask what that was lol
Interesting video! It’s cool how these small-vehicle, high frequency modes of transit are becoming more widely used. In Miami, there is Baylink, a proposed transit connection from Miami to Miami Beach, where streetcar was previously considered, but now a rail with cars Similar to the gondola will be used
San Francisco would make sense for something like this.
Kind of a great idea to fly over traffic and not have to rip up roads and disrupt businesses. How much less density does it have vs a bus route averaged over the day and could the cars be larger?
NO!!!
I think it's a good idea. Imagine cities with tall buildings just having these built in between them.
@Pete R. Puller it's just the same as any public transport like buses and trains
Pete R. Puller tf? Why would you hire someone to do that, itll take all the fun out the ride
being from Medellín and knowing a couple of gondolas in tourist parks, the very first time I heard about the idea of a gondola as part of the metro system of the city, I thought that somebody was nut. Today I am proud to say I was totally wrong. Due to the strong slopes and chaotic development of that part of the city, streets were quite dangerous for buses. Many accidents as they over use the brakes. And specially in the 80s and 90s many problems with bus drivers strikes (most normal buses belong to private owners, while the metro and metrocable belongs to the city). These strikes forced the workers in that area to walked long distances to the downtown to take buses to the working places (often in the other side of the city). Since the Metro and the metrocable were established, the power of the private bus owners has been diminished a lot. Thanks for showing people in other places how we took and already well established technology to create a very new concept that is being adopted in many places.
JM FJ yes! I’m from Mexico City and the City Gov adapted the Medellin model in the northern part of the metropolitan area and building another 4 lines currently .Here in Mexico it’s the same with private bus owners. 😞They do what they want and not much safety. All transportation should be hands on and managed by city government.Transportation in many Latin American countries , Mexico included , these private transportation companies sees commuters as business rather than providing a good quality service and safety .
Yo buscando otro de Medellín en los comentarios.
@@santiagorestrepo9504 yo tambien jajajaja
How about we reduce car traffic by removing car roads and adding bus lanes? Ever heard of induced demand? It works in reverse as well
As a Colombian, incorporating metro cables in mountainous cities makes a lot of sense
Question, was your gondola empty when you were talking into the camera? Or were you awkwardly stared at by 7 strangers?
I only filmed when there was either one other person or I had the gondola to myself. I'm awkward about filming anyway, and being in a gondola with a bunch of other people was definitely too awkward for me.
@@CityBeautiful Do they have cameras on each one or police at stations to talk with to keep women safe, prevent vaping etc?
@@NicholasLittlejohn they do have cameras and a microphone in case of emergency :)
I can just imagine him sitting with a bunch of Colombian commuters and them thinking “Gringos be crazy”
@@dominicfrancis7474 yep, most of us would do that.
There's no way to describe how proud and happy I am of you taking something of my country as an example!!
Thank you so much for showing that Colombia is now anymore about Pablo Escobar and just violence, and has developed as a country hungry for looking to the future, leaving our past behind (a peace deal was signed with the guerrilla FARC in 2016), to show our rich history, culture and beautiful people that live here!
Ps: also, a first line of gondolas is been built here in the capital, in another very poor and isolated part of the city (expected to be finished this year)
Greetings from Bogotá, Colombia
I loved Colombia! I need to find a way to go back.
@@CityBeautiful hey! UA-cam took me back here! A look to Bogotá's Transmilenio BRT system would be cool, and I would be glad to help.
what do you think about recent events?
@@Aconspiracyofravens1 on which topic, specifically?
That's incredible! Your urban gondola lines are an envy and inspiration to me in the states haha, thank you for sharing that update :D
The Bay Area in California is ripe for this. I live on Alameda island, less than 2 miles stones throw from a BART station to the north, and one to the south. It takes about 20 minutes to drive to either, and then parking is scarce. A bus goes to the southern one, but none [from Alameda] going to the north station which takes commuters across the bay to the City. They recently opened a super expensive $500 M elevated cable pulled tram from the station closest to the Oakland airport over the freeways etc. I think it's $6 each way- about 1.25 miles primarily for air travelers, who, guess what? For $3 more they can take an Uber directly to their door. That project was the first time I became aware of urban gondolas which would have been way cheaper, faster to build, more flexible, and streaming service. They have or had one in Aspen that is used all year for getting around. I often use the London cable car as a cost model, and an example of trying to make it go as a tourist attraction because it doesn't serve many commuters. I call ariel trams like Washington or New York's 'pulse transport' just like buses or elevators. You que up and wait for a large mode of transit to take a batch of people. Escalators and gondolas are streaming in that they never stop. Small cars [or steps] take a small number of riders continuously.
Yeah just ignore earthquakes
Earthquakes would not affect cable cars. The stations might get damaged, but the towers would just swing in the breeze.
Phil, have you heard about the Howard Terminal (Jack London Square / Port) A's gondola that was proposed? The A's management floated it and apparently Libby Schaaf is on board. There's the possibility it might go on to Alameda.
Also may be interesting to you, one of the main contractors on the uber expensive OAK connector was actually one of the major gondola companies (Doppelmayr).
I read the study they released for the OAK connector and they didn't even consider a gondola. This was awhile ago though.
@Catoosa Dawg Hateful myth.
Thank you for pronouncing “Medellín” somewhat correctly :)
I am Brazilian and I've just discovered that my entire life I've pronounced "Independiente Medellín" the wrong way hahahaha
Not necessarily correctly, but with a Colombian accent :)
Pronounces “Medellín” correctly, but says "Vancouver" weird. ;)
Panoptical Dreams There’s no G in Vancouver 😉
You can't talk about urban gondolas without mentioning London's Emirates Air Line, the most useless cable-propelled transit that is a prime example of how NOT to build such a system.
Love the video by the way
haha Yeah, that one definitely seems geared toward tourists and not commuters.
the only thing the Emirates air line (or as we call it, "the cable car") was built to serve it seems was Boris Johnson's (the ex-mayor, now Foreign Sec's) Ego 😝
Politicians love to go to ribbon cuttings and take credit for building new transportation infrastructure, no matter how useful.
Boris was the worst with that sort of thing. Seems like every other thing he worked on was a vanity project!
TheLastGentleman like the Leave campaign?
I'm from Wellington, New Zealand, which is a very hilly city. I think gondolas could be useful for connecting some of the hilly suburbs around the city with the flat regions of the city. We already have a funicular connecting Kelburn, one hilly suburb, with the cbd, and more transit like that would be useful.
Here in La Paz, Bolivia cable car system it's our metro
I thought I was a weirdo for having an urban cable car system in my Cities Skyline map, now maybe I'm not so weird.
I did the same. It was too popular. There were like 400 people always waiting for the gondola
@@PeterAuto1 For me it was just supposed to be a temporary way across a busy highway and down the hill a bit but I kept it when I saw how many people used it lol
Ngl the cable cars are amazing for some of the more awkward maps in the game - I remember building a city that was spread over a couple separate peaks, and the only way to really commute between them was by cable cars, blimps and helicopters: cable was definitely the preferred option though!
Use it to go up hillsides. Any other application and it becomes a gadgetbahn, like the monorail.
@@PeterAuto1 I use them fairly extensively. They are a very good and simple transit option. over rivers, mountains, islands etc.
Austin needs to do a feasibility study for this; just connecting the UT campus to Downtown and then south over the river would alleviate a ton of traffic as students and other young adults often travel that route, adding the near gridlock we see everyday in the city. Plus, it'd likely free up a ton of space for parking and as often as Austin has events that bring in outsiders (like ACL and SXSW), it'd give tourists much better way to get around to the popular areas of town.
The tricky thing about using gondolas for commute trips is that you can't offer more service during peak times. This might work for transporting students, though, as they might not commute at a strict 9-5 schedule. Gondolas definitely work for tourists; I could see SXSW tourists loving it.
I hope you do a detailed video someday about the different modes of transportation with their advantages and disadvantages.
Feynstein 100 yup would love that
Portland's Aerial Tram also directly interfaces with one of our streetcar lines, one of our light rail lines, several bus lines, and an interstate freeway (I-5). I think this mixed-mode approach to transit works in Portland's favor because it diversifies options while integrating the system as a whole.
Good point! I should have mentioned that Medellín's metro cables end at subway stations.
"It's a little awkward to share a cab with strangers", Spoken like a True Murican.
Well, it was a little awkward to share a cab with strangers and film yourself talking to the camera likely.
Yes, it does sound like he's so sheltered that he's never taken a train in his life and he has that very loud American "in your face" demeanor and, but the content is actually quite interesting. La Paz in Bolivia has a far bigger gondola system, but that was built by Doppelmayr, the arch rival of Poma who sponsored this video.
I think the awkward part comes from the fact that the cabs are so small (compared to a train car, for example) and you're all sitting facing one another.
RedJefe as a skier for... shit, 30 years now, it's not really that awkward.
"it does sound like he's so sheltered that he's never taken a train in his life"
You realize this guy's entire channel is basically dedicated to transit?
Coming from Austria I know a lot of skiing gondolas. But the idea of gondolas in the cities has always fascinated me. I hop this idea will spread more.
I hope we here in Brazil take inspiration from our neighbours and start building systems like these, This would make a lot of sense on the Southeastern favelas that are built on top of hills. We already have a famous Gondola in Rio, and another one I went to in Balneário Camboriú, these are very touristy spots and brazilians love to go there just to ride them, it would be fairly easy to persuade the public opinion to build more of them
Interesting analysis. I never thought of cable cars as a solution to traffic congestion and environmental problems in urban cities.
there's a new air cable car system in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, that start to operate this month, and the govt plans to make more of these.
This is a great channel.
Yo! In my city of Guayaquil (Ecuador), we are starting to implement these and should have ready by next year! It will connect cities over a river
ya lo tienen construido? Decían que en Quito tb iban a construir el Quito Cables pero la verdad no se si ya se ha concretado. Pero de ley que tienen que construir uno de Cumbayá al centro y desde ahí conectando hasta la estación del téleferico que sube al pichincha. considero que lo mismo deben hacer uno en el sur, desde el Valle de los Chillos, se debe implementar una linea subiendo a barrios como la Ferroviaria/ la Argelia y terminar en Quitumbe
@@jakobmichael97 Dice que van a inaugurarse en Noviembre, fueron atrasados unos 6 meses por la pandemia. ua-cam.com/video/c62zRdCqAFo/v-deo.html
Vancouver, Canada also considered building a 7 km gondola to connect a nearby mountaintop university to the local metro station for increased reliability during the winter, but that plan was put on hold.
Is that UBC?
SFU, Its actually in Burnaby, right next to Vancouver.
www.translink.ca/Plans-and-Projects/Rapid-Transit-Projects/Burnaby-Mountain-Gondola.aspx
Ahh, okay. Thanks!
@Siyovaxsh En-sipad-zid-ana Lol, probably one of Arthur Erickson's less appealing designs...
They should put this on the table again.
I’m in Medellin now and just took the Merrocable to Parque Arvi the other day. It’s a great system and I’d love to see it implemented or at least studied in more US cities.
Been fascinated with these for a minute, cool that you covered them.
Glad I could help!
I've ridden two of these systems, in Hong Kong and La Paz, and I have nothing but great things to say. They were busy, but the number of lines and cars available made the wait very short. La Paz is a very hard city to breathe in, due to 1. Altitude and 2. Air pollution from trucks and factories, and due to its mountainous terrain, it took 25 minutes in a polluting bus to drive from El Alto, on the hillside, to downtown. On the gondola, it took less than ten minutes, and offered the most beautiful views I've ever seen.
here's a great phrase i've heard around
the more a place looks like a dump, the more will people act like it
so, make your cities look less like dumps, more like homes
This is a wonderfully simple idea. Just as long as it is not built as some kind of gimmick. Or because everybody else is building them. If it is well designed and built to meet real transportation needs of the people, then it could be well worth while.
Yeah, gondolas are not an all-purpose transit solution. There is a definite niche where a system makes sense, though.
Speaking as a guy use to the NYC subway, and often thinks about taking a long weekend to Albany, I would love to see a gondola built from the train station to downtown.
I'm from Albany and was wondering if you were going to mention their gondola idea! Really cool! I didn't know it was relatively unique! Not sure if there have been any more recent developments on it in Albany. Awesome video!
Medellin is my city, I really appreciated that you made a video about the metrocable
We could totally use these in Florida and could capture some great views of the landscape!
This would be amazing in LA
Great episode on a tried and true transit option that hasn't been utilized or even considered nearly enough in U.S. cities with heavy grades or water features. Thanks for the attention to the Georgetown-Rosslyn feasibility study! Hoping progress is made on connecting that historic neighborhood to the Metro to revitalize the area.
It's a shame Georgetown doesn't have a metro stop!
Since you are in Colombia I hope you are thinking to go check and analyze Bogotá's Metrobus system. Is an excellent example of how thinking short-term in public transportation could go terribly wrong.
@ Vega, what is wrong with the Bogotá Metrobus system?
Here in Germany, there are several proposals for gondola systems including my hometown of Bonn, Furthest along in terms of project progress is Wuppertal. These examples have in common that they are dense cities along a river valley, including high-capacity public transport parallel to the river, but lacking connections to areas on the surrounding hills.
Yes, and that condition describes Medellín exactly.
Hey I'm in Medellín rn too! Great video as always! Thanks for putting my country in the spotlight!
No problem! I'll be posting another video about Medellín in about a week.
@@CityBeautiful rewatching this video just a few years later and it's absolutely mindblowing how out of date that map at 2:00 looks-there's 6 more lines than that now! (3 gondola lines, 2 brt lines, and 1 light rail line)
Not really an "urban" gondola, but Walt Disney World is implementing gondolas as a serious transportation system between Disney's Hollywood Studios, Epcot, Caribbean Beach, Art of Animation, and Pop Century.
I didn't realize that! Very cool.
Ah, that explains the gondola towers I saw being constructed in the parking lot of Hollywood Studios last week. One mystery solved.
So bye bye bye to the monorail?
Well, no (at least, for now).The monorail services the Magic Kingdom resort area (MK itself, its parking lot, and the Contemporary, Polynesian Village, and Grand Floridan Resorts) as well as Epcot. The Skyliner is set to serve the southern/south-eastern part of the resort property.
The reason I say "for now" is because, well, as stated in this video, rail is significantly more expensive to build and maintain than gondolas. Disney has shown a great reluctance to maintain their monorails recently (they're really not in very good shape); they even turned down an offer from Siemens to be straight up donated new monorails. Between that, and leadership in Parks and Resorts that seem bent on cost cutting and margin growing, who knows what we'll see in the future.
As a huge monorail fan, I'd love to see then upgraded/even expanded, but who knows.
That sounds interesting
Fascinating video, great channel- entertaining, informative and thought provoking
I'm sold. Cheap, convenient, enjoyable, quiet, nonpolluting. Everything you want in a mode of public transportation.
Great info. Thank you. It seems like a good solution to traffic problem.
Thanks!
I think Urban Gondolas are a very good option for Cities in need of an effective Public transportation system but are to poor to afford an Underground railway.
Urban gondolas are mostly for areas that are elevated, like in the hills of Medellín. I am trying to think of a metro system that climbs hills but doesn’t come any to my mind.
In Bogotá they also just opened a bigger one that serves neighborhoods in the hills.
In Medellín we also have a metro and a rail system but in the flat parts of the city.
@@byrlink Here in Bogotá we have a funicular in Monserrate since 1929, it works as a cable car with steeper rails, but it is mainly for tourism instead of public transport, in places with many mountains such as Chile and Switzerland, they have many of those.
Man Jensen #1
Yes, I lived and studied in Bogotá in the 80’s.
city beautiful: gondola is good, gondola is kind
me: *open cities skylines
La Paz Bolivia has a great gondola system. It's safe, cheap, connects all major areas of the city, and it's suuuper cool!
One of the few modes of transport that is both cool and practical.
Greetings from Medellin.
We have a simmilar system being built in Haifa, Israel, connecting the central train station with the Technion University and Haifa University. It's fairly controversial because it's expensive comparing to buses, but it's not much faster.
As Medillin, Haifa is also built on a mountain so the city has a very challenging topography. For one, I think a cable car would be great because it'll connect to two universities, which are very close, but not so easy to commute between because of the altitude difference.
Nice video.
Ive been in the lift industry for over 30 years..The concept was thought of by Walt Disney and Von Roll tramways back in 1956 with the 1st detachable monocable gondola lift in the USA, the Disneyland Skyway. Before Walt, the 1st detachable monocable lift in a world exposition , a Von Roll VR 101 sidechair was built at the KABA EXPO in 1947. Von Roll set the standards at modern detachable lift technology that now Doppelmayr of Austria uses to this date..
I've heard a lot of people from Von roll now work at Garaventa!!
Great to see you here in Colombia! Greetings from a fan in Bogotá!
Lovely country you have there!
This is a great way to add some form of public transit to areas with low population. For example, I once went on vacation in a small mountain town in Canada. The little 'condo areas' had their own tiny gondola system to get between them/out into the rest of the area! It was a lot of fun.
Great job... very informative and a good solution... thanks...
La Paz Bolivia was one of the best Transit by Cable i have ever seen!
Enjoy your visit to Colombia. Come back soon.
I want to! I was only in Colombia for 36 hours!
Great video!
Thanks!
Great! You visited my city!
Viva Medellín y Viva Colombia 🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴
In the home town of my dad, there is a Gondola too. You can take it to the Mountains there. Great ride !
I'm so torn over the Boston proposal. That same area is already served by an above ground bus and two dedicated underground Silver Line bus lines, one that also connects to the airport. The Seaport area of redevelopment has seemingly gone entirely to the wealthy, feels weirdly sterile compared to the rest of the city, and is honestly not in a great place given forecasted sea level rise. The gondola then just feels like a gimmick to make people take the Seaport more seriously and not be forced to ride an underground bus.
Also the distance between South Station and Marine Industrial Park is just over a mile on entirely flat land. Sure, we get winter and it's gross, but it's not that far for walking and definitely not for biking.
my city has the same problem, the authorities are so clueless about this system and just think "it worked there and is innovative, we'll build it"
I wish they would go all out if they're going to build one. It seems almost pointless to just build a one mile line, but I guess they could always expand if it works well
You don’t sound very torn haha. You’ve made a pretty effective argument against it.
Summer street gondola is a fintech and pharmabros dream built for high earning yuppies to soar over traffic.
Easy fix is let the silver line actually "use silver line way" ramp entrance to tunnel (state police have claimed this ramp for their own) twitter.com/PaulNuttingJr/status/981124755054104576
The silver line already has a partial tunnel section already and could be lengthened, expensive but doable. (bonus the existing tunnel is large enough to convert to light rail eventually)
Cool video! I live in a city close to Medellín called Manizales. The topography is a huge challenge for cities in this region so we also have 2 cable car lines and more are being planned.
Mexico City built its first metro cable line 4 years ago based on the Medellin model to connect northern Mexico City , its a huge city but only the outskirts share the same kind of topography as Medellin. Currently Mexico City’s Government realized how much needed since the metro, light trail and BRT can’t access these areas and are building 4 more metro cable lines for the megalopolis. Excellent video! Congratulations
My city (Torreón, Coahuila, Mexico) just built an urban godola system to connect the newly built Paseo Morelos (Morelos Street Mall) to the Cristo de las Noas ststue up in the Cerro de las Noas (Noas' Hill). I haven't had the chance to try it but it looks like a really good ride.
Nice!
Chicago also has plans for one along the river going east to Navy Pier.
Transit Xan I believe navy pier to union station to museum campus to McCormick place.
1:30 THANK YOU for stating about Roosevelt Island’s Tramway! BTW, you can use the NYC Subway Metro-Card to get on it. It’s a nice little ride over the East River. You do get some great views on it.
The Portland tram ride is pretty cool!
Can’t wait for it to be here in Boston, it’ll make the area even more beautiful and attractive! 😍
I love your videos
Thanks. That is a fun fact.
City Beautiful Thank you
Me living in Albany and still waiting for this gondola
We have one of those in my home city of zacatecas!
Nuclear Waste yeah but it's not used for urban transportation
In my city; Santo Domingo, they built one a couple of years ago, and it's pretty neat.
I can see where this would work well in my hometown of San Diego, especially connecting the airport to key business and leisure centers along the bayfront.
They are building one in Mexico City, I wanted to know more of the cable transportation, good I found this.
Awesome!
Aerial gondolas are awesome
We had an urban gondola system in New Orleans in the 80's. It was built for the World's Fair, but left up for commuters crossing from the East Bank and the West Bank of the Mississippi. Eventually, the coast guard made the city remove the system out of fear that a runaway barge would hit a support pillar and cause the system to collapse.
Did a project on urban gondolas and single handily got me interested in urban planning.Great channel but please do more on how to become an urban planner. Thanks!
ua-cam.com/video/d8672L-MG2U/v-deo.html
@@CityBeautiful I've already watched it ! That's how I found you. UA-cam's creepy cookie algorithms honed onto you pretty quick. I have some more oddly specific questions but I guess I'll wait till you have some sort of Q and A. Thanks m8.
In my home city of Glasgow we built the 3rd oldest subway system in the world (1896 it opened) and it was cable hauled until the 1930s. The route runs in a circle under the city centre, west end and southside and the cables used to run at a constant 7.5mph with the cars gripping onto them to start running and then letting go to come to a stop. Electrified with a third rail at 600v DC, it's still just the two lines running opposite ways around a circle. Many plans to extend the system have come to nothing. The speeds are considerably higher nowadays though.
Awesome video ! We also have gondolas in Mexico in Mexico City (Cableferico de Ecatepec) and Zacatecas
LA needs this! People don't realize that LA is more hilly than SF (it has the steepest street in the US), especially the areas directly north and/or east of Downtown.
Thank You Darren Kitchen
Wow, nice to see you in my city. If you're still here, might as well give a look to the "Comuna 13" transformation from one of the most violent to a place of peace and cultre (and the electric escalators some barrios have).
I'll be posting a video in a week or two about the escalators. I had a chance to visit Comuna 13.
I think these gondolas could be an easier sell to really car-centric places because it goes over the cars themselves instead of "taking" the space on the ground. I think it could be a good step forward for a lot of places in the US because if you see a traffic jam and gondolas going by freely overhead you're probably not going to want to wait in traffic and will probably choose to use the gondola instead. This would reduce traffic congestion like most forms of transit do, but (I hope at least) without as much contention.
Good stuff. A few issues with gondolas that need to be worked on are wheelchair access in each car, A/C and heat in each car. Wi-Fi access, and luggage storage for routes going to and from the airport. Good video and keep it up. Love to convert our system in Boulder, CO from rotten bus full of homeless.
The city of Burnaby, a municipality right beside Vancouver, has a plan to build a gondola that connects the Skytrain (an Elevated Metro system) to Simon Fraser University. The university is on top of a large hill, so it makes sense to have a gondola to take passengers up and down the hill. Thanks for this!
I think that would be a really cool way to increase foot traffic between NYC and NJ across the Hudson that would be mutually beneficial and way cheaper than another bridge, ferry, or tunnel.
OMG PLEASE SHOW THIS TO THE RESIDENTS OF EDMONTON, CANADA. There has been a concept of building an urban gondolla here but so many people claim its a dumb move. I think its a great alternative for our LRT problem here.
Feel free to share it with any Edmontonians you know!
i use to live in Edmonton. the trouble with the LRT (light rapid transit) is it does not extend to the airport. an LRT could go from Millwoods to downtown. im not sure how a cable system could fit into the city. However i can see how small a footprint it would take and i can see how construction cost would be lower. The park and ride system is great too for the LRT. However A cable system from West Edmonton Mall to a downtown LRT would be great to.
Gary Lewis theyre in the process of building the lrt from milwoods to wem now. The proposed gondola will be from downtown to whyte ave, which I think is a better option than putting a train down whyte. Just my opinion though
M.J Rosete thanks i have not been in Edmonton in 2 years
Edmonton transit sucks. A gondola could really only be used in the central city, but it is definitely miles better than at-grade LRT.
Problem with LRT is that it's used to cross busy roads in a city where it's nearly impossible to live without a car. And it connects NOTHING. Airport? West ed mall? suburbs? nope.
An excellent solution in city corridors with medium density and no direct means of travel. Looking forwards to what new networks bring.
Oh shit I'd love a gondola system in Albany, I was just complaining about how the Amtrak station is too removed from downtown. If they connected it to the capitol I could go straight there from work, I'm really happy to hear that
There's one in London but it's not in a useful location at all (just built for the Olympics).
Yeah, it sounds like that one carries more tourists than anything.
@city_beautiful It used to be much longer and more useful, today it's been shortened and is mostly just a scenic way to get between the O2 and Expo center. It's also too expensive to be justified on the transport value alone.
it was never longer what are you on about?
Goldmattress The cable car was never longer than it is now, but Londonist made an April fools day video called secrets of the cable car, where they said it was.
That video is art.
Definitely could be an effective transit option for certain cities, although do to weather it might not work everywhere. Can't say I'd want to ride a gondola in the windy city 😆.
I want to give you a medal for actually calling them by their proper name, gondolas!
It's coming to Walt Disney World in Orlando Florida as well! They're calling it the Skyliner and is under construction now. :D
There’s a local politician in San Diego who’s pushed for a gondola system for years. I thought it was a good idea for connecting our Downtown area with Balboa Park, which is elevated, but I thought the section running within the city was less attractive.
They brought this up as an Elevate2020 topic but then Covid hit. And I'd imagine Balboa would be difficult to connect with downtown with the airport flight path for landings above it.
I like the idea of gondolas due to that on the ground, cars have to stop at red lights. A gondola gliding over that intersection, all gondola cars are on the move unless they come to a station. The downside to building these things is building the station access such as elevators, escalators, and stairwells. Theme parks and tourist traps that have a lot of them have fare gates which would at least slow down freeloaders. Due to that these things can go just about anywhere, you could I think build an office building and have a gondola station housed inside. Just like how some monorail companies do. Just like monorails, these gondola routes don't have to travel just above the city streets. Due to the fact that the cable is suspended in air, it could glide over several buildings and trees. We need to copy the link to this video and share it with our legislators!
Thanks for the video. A privacy issue can also be discussed with urban gondolas passing nearby residential buildings. Brest (France, Keolis) urban cable use a special glass ("smartglass"): a sheet of liquid crystals makes it possible, by electrical impulse, to opacify the glazing in order to avoid the sight of certain military buildings or private gardens!
Important thing in dense areas to keep in mind!!
The first gondola system in Rio de Janeiro was abandoned due to corruption and administrative mismanagement. Our city is the perfect place for this because of the dozens of communities in the hills.
My home city of Gothenburg, Sweden, is actually constructing one of these. But along with *litterly everything else,* it’s gotten delayed due to COVID-19
Yes I have been looking at this idea. I thinks it's the future for many reasons.
There's a popular plan to build one in Edmonton Alberta over the river.
Ropeways as an urban transportation mode in cities, between cities or connecting villages to the cities are maybe new for North or South America but for Europe there's nothing new in it. My hometown Tbilisi had 7 Aerial trams (reversible ropeway) as an urban transport since 1958. A small town Chiatura in my country had 26 lines of reversible ropeways connecting city neighborhoods or villages with the city. Also a huge 4,5 km long reversible ropeway connecting two towns in my country Tsnori and SIghnaghi with a unique middle through going station which was unique an unsual on a reversible systmem.
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There was a gondola system that was built in Istanbul back in 1992. It wasn't built for tourists...
The San Diego Association Governments released studies for 3 different skyway corridors connecting LRT stations to residential and employment destinations.