Riva TNT RAM upgrade
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- In this video I will try and upgrade a Riva TNT from 8MB of ram and 64bit bus to the full 16MB of ram and 128bit bus.
Link to VGA museum and Diamond Viper V550 if you need images for reference.
www.vgamuseum....
I take no responsibility if you try anything I do!
I live for the "Let's modify old hardware to be beyond it's max!" take on old hardware.
This is everything I was hoping for when I sent you the card, thank you for the great content!
TY man!
I have a TNT2 M64 that used a board very similar to this one... That little card served me very well back in 1999/2000!
It is still a good entry level retro card for a build of that vintage.
They also OC well and with som tweaks in the Nvidia control panel they are very competent with a 500-600Mhz Pentium 3, Athlon or a 700-800Mhz Duron or Celeron.
I always bring some TNT2 M64 to our retro lanpartys just in case someone has a GFX failure.
@back then I had a PIII 550 overclocked to 620Mhz, that later received a Geforce2 Ti.
@@victorlgcarvalho I ran a K6-2 500@550 with the GeForce2 GTS , way to fast card for my CPU 😂
Who needs an expensive RTX 4090 when you got this beast gpu from the year 2000,s awesome videos brings back nostalgic memories 👍
Still running my V2 SLI, it destroys everything I throw at it. Quake II, Half Life, Myth : Fallen Lords. Think I'll skip another generation and wait for the RTX 5090...
My first video card was a TNT 32mb and it had a fan on it. Had to be back in late 90's. I bought it to play Tom Clancy's Rogue Spear. I had a Pentium 3 Tualatin.
Rainbow 6 and Rogue Spear were great. So were the Ghost Recon series (original ones).
Great work!!!! A cool upgrade to this card!
Back when there was actually competition in the video card space and real value could be had.
There really wasn’t when 3dfx hit the scene. Prior to that maybe TNTs were relatively dominant, but dedicated graphics accelerator cards were very niche. I would actually argue that there is better competition now than the early days of discrete GPUs.
@@dkumagai30 What? It's a TWO HORSE RACE now, has been for over a decade! And the CEO of both companies are blood relatives, and have paid millions of dollars in fines multiple times for price setting and market colluding! :D
How is that "more" competition than Matrox, S3, Nvidia, ATI, PowerVR, Intel etc releasing multiple cards across multiple tiers every year? :D
3Dfx released their VooDoo card WAY before the TNT was released. The TNT was a much faster card than a V1. In fact, the 3Dfx reign was supreme but VERY short lived. The TNT2 pretty much equalled the VooDoo 3, and when the Geforce 256 and Radeon cards were released, 3Dfx was all but dead. The VooDoo 4 and 5 being commercial flops.
I never knew that the chip was 128bit all this time and that can be upgraded, I thought it was limited to 64bit at the silicon level.
Well I did not know if it was locked or not, but it clearly was not in this case so that was one reason I made the video.
I have a 64bit GeForce MX 440 with som crap ram, so would need a full set of 400Mhz or faster DDR and also know what values all the SMD stuff is suppose to have because that card lacks even more of them then this TNT:
But would be interesting to see if GeForce4 MX 440 cards are easily upgraded from 64 to 128bit.
Crazy, good work.
@I have seen and own (1) MX4000s (64-bit 128MB) that share PCBs 1:1 with the FX5200/5500 (128-bit 256MB).
Seems likely
@Is it a reference design or one of the cheaper ones from like Inno3D? There are full schematics floating about for the Nvidia P162 reference design PCB, most of the FX5200 / MX440 cards are quite often based on that. I'm sort of planning to do the same with an FX5200 :)
@@voodlerPlease make a video, when you ready. 👍
Personally, I thought this was an awesome video! I have been in IT since 1997. I can't tell you how many systems I built back then. My favorite build of that era was my P2 350mhz, 32MB RAM, with a Voodoo 2 8MB card, but for the life of me, I can't remember the base GPU I used. Back then I was so impressed by the graphics. Sure, today's graphics are superior but there is just something about those first 3D rendered games that spark joy. I always wondered what it would take to fill those empty memory spots and upgrade the card. Now I know! Thank you!
A super unmemorable video card? Yep you definitely used a Virge 😂
@@LeeMc007 Damn, you might actually be right.
Excellent content yet again! And great outcome. I always wondered if it would be possible to deduce the values of missing passives for such an upgrade without having high res pics available. What made you place R155? The area looks like pullups or config resistors, but I wouldn't have known that it's related to RAM. Btw, mind to tell us which flux you used? It seems to be of pretty good quality to me.
R155 was the 10K one?
It was one of the differences between the 8 and 16MB versions, both are on VGAmuseum.
It would help to have documentation for the GPU and TNT in general but Nvidia as fare as i know have not released anything like that since Riva128.
Its probably out there somewhere but I dont have any docs so going by Images to do an upgrade is one way, but yeas what do that resistor do 🤣Maybe it tells the GPU something about the ram config, idk.
If anyone have a collection of documentation for old Nvidia cards or ATI etc Im interested in a dump.
Its Amtech flux, you can get it from Louis Rossmann store,.
I also think Krisfixit Germany has it, there are different types tough but some of that comes down to preferences or what its intended use is for.
This is the first video of yours that I’ve come across, awesome work! Subscribed.
I could never do any serious soldering work like that, only things I’ve done with soldering is a few relatively large SMD caps on various video cards to get them working again, but ram upgrades I could never do. (Don’t have the equipment, or room for said equipment)
Excellent video again, I personally enjoy your content as it is. Keep em coming 👌
Nice work. I had a 16mb tnt with a 12mb v2. The good ol days.
I remember doing a ram upgrade on my ATI rage pro, it had a slot on the end of the card you could add an additional 2mb daughter board onto! God, i miss those days!
yea its very common on cards from that time, its also common not to have the module 😆
It would be fun remaking modules like that to add back to the cards. Someone has probably done it already.
Amazing work! Its great to see this older 3D cards enhanced, restored, upgraded and working again great. I do have miro hiscore II 12mb do you think this card can be upgraded and work a bit faster ?
With faster edo ram maybe, problem is sourcing 110-125Mhz EDO
I found source with nos 125Mhz EDO do you need info, where do I contact you ?@
nice upgrades especially with the fan heatsink.
imagine if each chip was serialized
😆😆😂😂😂
Remember upgrading from a Stealth 2000 to an Asus 6600 Geforce 256, good old times 😊
Nice cooking, nostalgic cards
Damn I used to have one of these, think im getting old! 😅
Fun mod; nice work!
This is very usefull information, thanks!
I had a TNT2 32MB until 2004... lol
I played many games, up to GTA Vice City, ran like crap at 17-20 FPS but I did 100% like that...
i was there...like 3000 years ago !
It's crazy how today we have cards with 24GB, I could never imagine this back then!
A Riva TNT STB Velocity 4400 so a 16MB version cost $116 USD, the RTX4090 MSRP is 1599USD.
Even an RTX4070 is just way to costly I would say but anyways.
Its funny how expensive "gaming" has become.
Great job! Great filming too.
great video, hope I can accomplish this on my own
Practice on some dead or worthless stuff first. I tend to take the boards out of old routers or hard drives, good stuff in there to practice soldering on.
A decent temp controlled iron, good flux like Amtech and some leaded solder and you should have no problems if you practice a bit first on junk.
Good luck!
präti najs videå nöt göna laj! fränt
Thank you great video 👍
I got one new back in the day just to play quake and unreal it's feel like I blinked and it jumped to the 4090
I wonder if it is possible to turn Riva TNT2 m64 (with full PCB) into a full-fledged 128-bit Riva TNT2 in the same way? Or is it impossible due to limitations in the m64 chip? These cards have the same clock speeds, differing only in the width of the memory bus.
the TNT2 M64 packaging is smaller, so I would assume it do not even have the second 64bit bus physically available. If it had people would have made128bit cards by now.
Good day! I would like to ask you for advice. I was increasing the memory on Diamond S220. From 4 to 8 MB. Due to the replacement, of course, there are no free places there. The card works, but is still like 4 MB. Changing the BIOS for the 8 MB card did not help :( Do you think this is a limitation of the V2100 chip or something else? I would be grateful for any suggestions!
I do not have that card or any experience with that GPU so I have no useful knowledge.
@ thank you!
Pretty cool works 🙏🥰
Will you add the missing S-Video out port next? =P
Well if I had the parts and reference card it would probably be no issue to do so.
I did add DVI to one card not that long ago, helps if most components are there but the port tough.
But one would ned the DAC's that goes on the back to even add the port in the first place and I dont have any.
If and when i have the parts and know what goes where I might do a video on adding the missing ports on a card.
my first graphics card 🥰
If you are going to reuse part I would suggest diluting original solder with Rose alloy, or atleast with leded solder. Far lower risk overheating it.
Voodoo2 is so old its leaded and I use leaded solder. Its all leaded.
Can't have the resistor nets on crooked.
All the electrons are gonna pool up on one side.
Why did I not think of that 😆
how can a resistor have 8 legs thought they had 2? also what's with the traces under the ram chip why so squiggly that not easy to make ?
Great video, why a 4:3 screen ratio in windows ?
16:9 was a couple of years away from being mainstream.
How the hell do you not lnow this basic shit lmfao
Cool but this information I should get 25 years ago ;)
Its never to late!
Woww que recuerdos!!
Oh! Cool Video! :)
where can i get that cardholder tool you using.
what software you used to read the rom files?
nvflash. I think I use an older 4.28 version to download the bios, newer might work depending on the card.
would be great to see follow up video with pentium, II soltek build to compare banshee against modded riva tnt. I am pretty sure original configuration on pc case was riva tnt. would be great to see this pc restored to original configurantion for 3d games
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@ well done! thank you
jah quake
How does quake 2 look?
You can check this video for Quake 2 video capture of my second TNT.
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But it looks good and the TNT for its time was a very good Quake 2 card, faster then the Voodoo Banshee.
Nice work sir. one sub from me :)
You know you shouldn't be adding fans with your PC on, but well... that's a bad power bottom placement anyway. lol
The real question would be: is it REALLY worth doing all this hassle for such a common, dirt cheap card, when you can simply go with another common but newer card like a Geforce2?
Personally, here's my answer: no freaking way 😆
He got satisfaction from it. You can't buy that. My job pays me more for 1h of coding than i ever made from years of side projects. Which one gave me more satisfaction? You can guess. Living a 100% utilitarian life is living a miserable life, that's why no one does it. It's just that different people have different non utilitarian "side projects".
Its fun!. Thats why. I bet he has dozens of better cards.
Wow 7 min of babbling start here 7:00 ------> 7:00
Your not very nice are you?
@ I, on the other hand, actually really enjoyed the video. 🎉 subscribed
Don’t mind him, someone peed in his cheerios this morning. 😂
Woow! That was a rude, unsocial and pointless comment.
I really enjoy his soldering. I am learning alot of useful stuff.
Rich coming from someone with over 1k subs and can't even manage more than single to double digit views per video and empty comment sections. Yet this channel has a few more subs and this video alone has over 8k views and 400+ likes. Maybe this channel is doing something right and something you could learn from instead of being a jerk.
😂 Still babbling after 7min