Full video: • SWEDEN - A Country Pro... This video clip is about a strange border between Sweden and Finland, on an island shared between the two countries.
@KKmies I havent really studied into that topic specifically but there are some "holes" in your story there. Firstly, you said that sweden tried to prove to the league of nations that it was geographically their's by, forged and manipulated documents? How does that work? What kind of documents? What did these documents say? Why would sweden lie about it? The islands geographically belong to finland? How? Its literally an island, its outside both of sweden's and finland's mainland, and its closer to sweden than to finland, what makes it geographically a part of finland? The majority of åland's population is swedish and speaks swedish, so I dont know how it could be a part of finland when it was a part of sweden. At that time finland *was* sweden, not just a part of it. Some parts of finland (inculding åland) were swedish before many swedish territories today. Also during and before the finnish civil war, the people in åland wanted to be a part of sweden. Before it all åland made movements to join sweden after gaining independence from russia. Even a referendum was held and over 90% of the people in åland wanted to join sweden. The people in åland even asked for help from the swedish government due to russia's invasion.
@KKmies Thanks for the answer. Firstly, åland still wanted to be a part of sweden, swedish speaking majority, most living there are swedes, etc. Secondly, it really doesnt matter that its in the finnish archipelego, since thats just geographty, its not something borders are defined by. What Im saying is, it doesnt make a difference. Thirdly, western finland was swedish, of course with swedish expansion, a finnish majority took over finland. However, during most of the time, finns were treated as swedes as far as I know. Most of the time sweden was a full monarchy, so I dont think voting rights matter, as no one had them. As far as I know there live majority swedes & sami in northern sweden. Of course I could be wrong here, but none of those have been crying out to be a part of finland. Not to mention that many, many people in finland, especially in the southwest, are of swedish descent. Finns werent hated, and it was a requirements for all major state members and all military generals in sweden to know finnish. The swedish have about equal claim to that land (originally) as the finns do. So I dont oppose finnish independence, but I think geographically sweden has equal claim, because they were also in those lands. I doubt the islands were much populated before the crusaders, and at that time it was a part of sweden, they had full right to move there.
@KKmies So I cant respond to everything in your message, as I dont have the time nor energy for that. Now, I havent heard of the famine, which supposedly killed a third of finland's population, however, parts like lappland (sweden proper) were also majorly affected. I dont know if they did or didnt steal all the finnish food or not, but there was a massive production shortage due to natural reasons. To åland beloning to the finnish province, that may be true, but remember that sweden never conquered a finnish province, they just expanded, just like they did in other places. Southern finland was in sweden before even northern sweden today. Keep in mind that, there lived "swedes" in finland before sweden was even formed, heard of the vikings? Yeah, they went everywhere. Swedish vikings supposedly traveled east instead of west like the danish. Also, who is to say that swedes werent native to many finnish lands too? For the election of kings, yes, they voted. However the finns were allowed to send a representative to the vote. Also, that system wasnt very long lived (as far as I know), according to what I've read the king was even abolished in 1439, add that sweden wasnt even independent until the 1500s. Great Wrath was horrid for both sweden and finland. The swedish army had been defeated by the russians. They left to protect the mainland. Its not like sweden sacrificed finland as a scapegoat, the soldiers defended it, but failed. Finland also wasnt the only one affected, as a city in sweden proper, umeå, was burned to the ground. I honestly dont know what the army would have done, the russians were hindering any counteroffensives, and its not like the swedes were the ones doing the invading and selling. Yes, finns werent swedes, and they werent treated as swedes in sweden sadly. But they werent treated as nothing, its absurd to call it colonizing. By modern standards, yes, its pretty bad, but not horrible, finland even had its own provitional government, altought I dont know when that government was granted nor how much power it was given. This became a lot longer than I expected, it also seems I didnt know as much in detail as I thought, but oh well, I should study more. Thanks
@KKmies Well, honestly, I can’t respond/read to it all. It has been a fun “debate” if you can call it that. Seems there’s a lot of history to learn. I still wouldn’t call what the swedes did colonizing, because as far as I know when sweden formed a few finnish lands were also in the nation originally, you can correct me if Im wrong. Thought it was pretty horrible, swedes and finns did mostly get along after Swedish independence. Im not gonna pretend Im at the same level as you, that I can argue/debate with points you make. I thank you for showing me some insight and detail. I would like to add that the sami whom had grown separate from the finns in northern sweden did make a deal to join sweden or something similar, of course this was later.
@KKmies oh so just like India have done ti Kashmir but, that is more the government and proproganda like Russia trying to say Ukraine is there or Israel saying anything about land
Finland and Sweden have so much space and land that there is no reason to argue. Sweden has 267 000 islands, Finland has 180 000 lakes and same amount of islands, most of them uninhabited, why on earth would we fight for a rock in the sea?
There’s a border like this between Tennessee and Kentucky. There was a horse track/farm that wanted to be on the Kentucky side, so a notch was cut out.
Fun fact, Åland a finish owned territory has a few Swedish units in and around it. The Swedish national guard has a partially (by partially a mean a small number) of units stationed in Åland that recruits ppl who live there. So Sweden has a few units recruiting Finn’s in finish owned territory.
@KKmies The swedish navy as well as P18 which operates in Swedish territory but throughout history and even today they go to Swedish majority areas in Åland and recruit ppl as well as having military exercises. However since its a Swedish regiments and units it does not interfere with the demilitarized status as they are not there to pose as a military defense force but more of symbolism. The Swedish and finish navy I believe had a exercise August 18th this year actually around Åland. However the Swedish units and battalions does exclusively exist in Åland as its more symbolism rather than defense. Edit: so they have stationed troops there however it’s not enough to withstand an invasion. And their basically not armed.
@@Oliverii just bc their demilitarized does not mean military staff does not operate there. The demilitarized zone in the Korea peninsula for example is one of the most militarized zones of the world. Demilitarized means that no military power can claim territory of that land and hold it. And Sweden has not done that, we have held exercises with the Finnish on the island, we don’t own it with a military presence.
Swedish army 25 k . Finland army one million . Russia got their asses kicked in Finland . That was finland at its poorest and smallest army . Now the biggest in Europe . Sweden has some of the smallest in europe .
So if anyone didn’t know Sweden has the most islands just saying cuz I see memes about Britain but I’m it’s true Britain will fight for a worthless rock I think the nordics are just nicer anyways have a good day/night from a Swede
Wouldn't it have made more sense to draw a straight line and just give the West side to Finland and East side to Sweden? Just because Sweden is to the West of the island and Finland is to the East doesn't mean they NEED to divide the island East-West like that.
@@GEOfocusChannel These islands are sometimes important for fishing rights since a certain amount of ocean within x distance from your land becomes your territorial waters, and ocean near land is generally at a higher elevation so there is more sunlight reaching the ocean bottom allowing sea weed to grow and a rich ecosystem with more to fish. Finland and Sweden therefore might want fishing rights closer to their own borders which would explain why they don't swap halves.
That is just on paper border anyway. Whoever runs that lighthouse obviously have free range of the island and no one cares. Fences are what you build on borders where you don't trust your neighbours.
“Yeah sure Finland let’s swap the land. It’s totally not about us avoiding the responsibility of maintenance and at the same time keep the benefits of having a lighthouse there.”
well i guess spain and morocco disagree about that they almost started a war for a rock and they are still arguing about those rocks in the coast of morocco to this day
Look at borders of US Indian Reservations if you want to see strange borders...until you notice that the borders are drawn so there is no real water supplies inside the reservations.
@@alksi1 Or if Finland "forgets" the treaty from 1921 and start recruiting Ålanders and militarize Åland. I bet Sweden, Germany, France, UK et al wouldn't mind. NATO could then do some recon an prepare for how to reinforce the defence. What would Russia think? Who cares? They have abandoned all international law. So with Åland, Gotska Sandön, Gotland and Bornholm NATO has quite an advantage in the Baltic.
There is an other problém. If the Lighthouse would become swedish, Sweden had the due to maintain the Lighthouse! During the cold war,there have been stations on the border between Germany and Czechoslovakia,which were divided in the middle of the station building!🤣🤣
Yes, I’ve been there and to the beach on the Canadian side. At low tide you could just go for a quiet stroll and end up getting arrested by immigration officials, totally unaware that you had crossed the border. Before 9-11 I don’t think it was enforced along the beach, but now it seems it is.
How about no? Like why do you clowns act like American territory needs to look a certain way in order to not offend your sensibilities? The U.S. isn't going to cede territory and its citizens than you would expect Canada to do so
@@WillmobilePlus Nobody really cares that much. It's just a weird way to draw a border. And there are some practical considerations that made themselves very evident during covid-19. People were basically trapped in that little exclave. They need to have special arrangements for border crossing. It's cool, though. I walked up to the border on foot, sat down and had a cross-border chat with an American sitting in a lawn chair 6 feet away.
@@GEOfocusChannel Yea its strange that the stright line didnt stop a few miles out in the Strait of Georgia and then bend about 60-70 degree to the south and link up to the border north of Patos Island. Im wounder when they draw upp this line and why i became like this.
They are scandinavian. "Bjørn, can I have that island, I could really use it." "Sven, we are not even using that island. You can give us fishing rights or something." "Oh can we share the island and your side has a lighthouse shaped hole?"
One key thing is that there has mostly never been any border control between Swe/Fin anyways... not even when 40 000 illegal isis and aq come from turkey trough all of Europe from north Swe to Fin...
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The UK: I'm sorry, what?
We love our little islands
What hasn't the UK gone to war over
US and canada
You are a little tiny island
@@Osama-Bon-Jovi-01 sus
Meanwhile, Britain: NO TOUCHING MY ROCK COLLECTION!
😂😂😂😂
you mean minerals?
The gem in the collection: One Rock to Rock(them)All and in the darkness bind...
Sweden and Finland must have never played EUIV. All land is worth fighting over.
@KKmies I havent really studied into that topic specifically but there are some "holes" in your story there.
Firstly, you said that sweden tried to prove to the league of nations that it was geographically their's by, forged and manipulated documents? How does that work? What kind of documents? What did these documents say? Why would sweden lie about it?
The islands geographically belong to finland? How? Its literally an island, its outside both of sweden's and finland's mainland, and its closer to sweden than to finland, what makes it geographically a part of finland?
The majority of åland's population is swedish and speaks swedish, so I dont know how it could be a part of finland when it was a part of sweden. At that time finland *was* sweden, not just a part of it. Some parts of finland (inculding åland) were swedish before many swedish territories today.
Also during and before the finnish civil war, the people in åland wanted to be a part of sweden.
Before it all åland made movements to join sweden after gaining independence from russia. Even a referendum was held and over 90% of the people in åland wanted to join sweden.
The people in åland even asked for help from the swedish government due to russia's invasion.
@KKmies Thanks for the answer.
Firstly, åland still wanted to be a part of sweden, swedish speaking majority, most living there are swedes, etc.
Secondly, it really doesnt matter that its in the finnish archipelego, since thats just geographty, its not something borders are defined by. What Im saying is, it doesnt make a difference.
Thirdly, western finland was swedish, of course with swedish expansion, a finnish majority took over finland. However, during most of the time, finns were treated as swedes as far as I know. Most of the time sweden was a full monarchy, so I dont think voting rights matter, as no one had them.
As far as I know there live majority swedes & sami in northern sweden. Of course I could be wrong here, but none of those have been crying out to be a part of finland. Not to mention that many, many people in finland, especially in the southwest, are of swedish descent.
Finns werent hated, and it was a requirements for all major state members and all military generals in sweden to know finnish. The swedish have about equal claim to that land (originally) as the finns do. So I dont oppose finnish independence, but I think geographically sweden has equal claim, because they were also in those lands.
I doubt the islands were much populated before the crusaders, and at that time it was a part of sweden, they had full right to move there.
@KKmies So I cant respond to everything in your message, as I dont have the time nor energy for that.
Now, I havent heard of the famine, which supposedly killed a third of finland's population, however, parts like lappland (sweden proper) were also majorly affected. I dont know if they did or didnt steal all the finnish food or not, but there was a massive production shortage due to natural reasons.
To åland beloning to the finnish province, that may be true, but remember that sweden never conquered a finnish province, they just expanded, just like they did in other places. Southern finland was in sweden before even northern sweden today.
Keep in mind that, there lived "swedes" in finland before sweden was even formed, heard of the vikings? Yeah, they went everywhere. Swedish vikings supposedly traveled east instead of west like the danish. Also, who is to say that swedes werent native to many finnish lands too?
For the election of kings, yes, they voted. However the finns were allowed to send a representative to the vote. Also, that system wasnt very long lived (as far as I know), according to what I've read the king was even abolished in 1439, add that sweden wasnt even independent until the 1500s.
Great Wrath was horrid for both sweden and finland. The swedish army had been defeated by the russians. They left to protect the mainland. Its not like sweden sacrificed finland as a scapegoat, the soldiers defended it, but failed. Finland also wasnt the only one affected, as a city in sweden proper, umeå, was burned to the ground. I honestly dont know what the army would have done, the russians were hindering any counteroffensives, and its not like the swedes were the ones doing the invading and selling.
Yes, finns werent swedes, and they werent treated as swedes in sweden sadly. But they werent treated as nothing, its absurd to call it colonizing. By modern standards, yes, its pretty bad, but not horrible, finland even had its own provitional government, altought I dont know when that government was granted nor how much power it was given.
This became a lot longer than I expected, it also seems I didnt know as much in detail as I thought, but oh well, I should study more. Thanks
@KKmies Well, honestly, I can’t respond/read to it all. It has been a fun “debate” if you can call it that. Seems there’s a lot of history to learn.
I still wouldn’t call what the swedes did colonizing, because as far as I know when sweden formed a few finnish lands were also in the nation originally, you can correct me if Im wrong.
Thought it was pretty horrible, swedes and finns did mostly get along after Swedish independence. Im not gonna pretend Im at the same level as you, that I can argue/debate with points you make. I thank you for showing me some insight and detail.
I would like to add that the sami whom had grown separate from the finns in northern sweden did make a deal to join sweden or something similar, of course this was later.
@KKmies oh so just like India have done ti Kashmir
but, that is more the government and proproganda
like Russia trying to say Ukraine is there
or Israel saying anything about land
It undoubtedly helps that Sweden benefits from the lighthouse as much as Finland.
I love how peaceful this was
"Why on earth would a border be drawn like this?"
Belgium and Netherlands: oh, that's just for beginners - nothing compared to Baale-Nassau
if that land was in the balkans:ww3
The swedes and Finns are brothers, as they are to us Dane’s - this would never trigger a crisis… give it a rest..
All of us here in the north are brothers and sisters. Good thing our fighting days are behind us lol
But we are rivals in sports of course
🇫🇮:Its my lighthouse, and u dont touch it sweden.
🇸🇪:Okay
You don't need to fight a war when you get along fine with your neighbours.
Right Putin?.......oh wait
Trump's global agenda.
if ukraine loves them, then why ukraine killing russians
@@mweh6915 because they violently invaded their country, committing all sorts of war crimes along the way.
i mean Finns and Swedes are mates so they wouldn't really fight lol
They gave us the land the fatherland if finland
@@itsleksa8230uh... Finland got their independence from Russia😐
@@GutsEnthusiast bro but we were inpedent in russia alredy and we won civil war against reds/soviet/russia suporters
@@GutsEnthusiast finaly got internet so i can send message bc i am in lapland
Finland and Sweden have so much space and land that there is no reason to argue. Sweden has 267 000 islands, Finland has 180 000 lakes and same amount of islands, most of them uninhabited, why on earth would we fight for a rock in the sea?
Canada n Danemark joins the room*
We have reached peak Scandinavia. Especially the part where it includes people who are not Scandinavian but Scandinavian enough.
@@killerbunny7206Finns are not Scandinavian enough at all
They wouldn't have gone to war even if they found a gold mine in the middle of the boarders
Thats how grown ups solve land borders
There’s a border like this between Tennessee and Kentucky. There was a horse track/farm that wanted to be on the Kentucky side, so a notch was cut out.
It gets even weirder on de Belgium - Netherlands border
Fun fact, Åland a finish owned territory has a few Swedish units in and around it. The Swedish national guard has a partially (by partially a mean a small number) of units stationed in Åland that recruits ppl who live there. So Sweden has a few units recruiting Finn’s in finish owned territory.
Whoa, I didn’t know that!
@KKmies The swedish navy as well as P18 which operates in Swedish territory but throughout history and even today they go to Swedish majority areas in Åland and recruit ppl as well as having military exercises. However since its a Swedish regiments and units it does not interfere with the demilitarized status as they are not there to pose as a military defense force but more of symbolism. The Swedish and finish navy I believe had a exercise August 18th this year actually around Åland. However the Swedish units and battalions does exclusively exist in Åland as its more symbolism rather than defense.
Edit: so they have stationed troops there however it’s not enough to withstand an invasion. And their basically not armed.
Åland is demilitarized...
@@Oliverii just bc their demilitarized does not mean military staff does not operate there. The demilitarized zone in the Korea peninsula for example is one of the most militarized zones of the world. Demilitarized means that no military power can claim territory of that land and hold it. And Sweden has not done that, we have held exercises with the Finnish on the island, we don’t own it with a military presence.
@@therealboi1335 du bor där eller
Sweden was like: yeah you keep maintaining that shit
Haha, probably true.
@@GEOfocusChannel yeah good luck , Sweden army 25k. Finland one million .
@@Lowkicksfordayzfinland and sweden are the 2 most friendly countries to eac other
Ah, Scandavians, so civilized, logical and reasonable .... until you attack them ...
Well Finland is not in Scandinavia
Finland and Sweden: see we can fix island-boarder-problems without war...
''looks at the UK and Argentina - Ukraine and Russia''
... Greece and Turkey
Most wars between two countries: Sweden and Denmark.
This is both stupid and surprisingly smart at the same time 😂
Looks like a rather nice roomy lighthouse.
Its our little brother so its fine 🇸🇪🇸🇪
Atleast they came to an agreement without war
I love it: wisdom prevailed. However they could do a better job to simplify the border line.
Wow! Interesting!
Is the Lighthouse still operational?
I love your videos ❤ thanks.
Swedish army 25 k . Finland army one million . Russia got their asses kicked in Finland . That was finland at its poorest and smallest army . Now the biggest in Europe . Sweden has some of the smallest in europe .
I think someone has just taken an few sips of koskenkorva
So if anyone didn’t know Sweden has the most islands just saying cuz I see memes about Britain but I’m it’s true Britain will fight for a worthless rock I think the nordics are just nicer anyways have a good day/night from a Swede
If this would have happened in middle east..
I think that means they are married now.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to draw a straight line and just give the West side to Finland and East side to Sweden? Just because Sweden is to the West of the island and Finland is to the East doesn't mean they NEED to divide the island East-West like that.
Yeah, that sounds like a good solution. It's not like they get much use out of the island anyway.
But how would you draw the maritime border then?
@@GEOfocusChannel These islands are sometimes important for fishing rights since a certain amount of ocean within x distance from your land becomes your territorial waters, and ocean near land is generally at a higher elevation so there is more sunlight reaching the ocean bottom allowing sea weed to grow and a rich ecosystem with more to fish.
Finland and Sweden therefore might want fishing rights closer to their own borders which would explain why they don't swap halves.
Hard to make maps then, like it just randomly flips?
That is just on paper border anyway. Whoever runs that lighthouse obviously have free range of the island and no one cares. Fences are what you build on borders where you don't trust your neighbours.
“Yeah sure Finland let’s swap the land. It’s totally not about us avoiding the responsibility of maintenance and at the same time keep the benefits of having a lighthouse there.”
Denmark and canada: uhhhhhh
you could make an excellent video about the czechs "annexing" kaliningrad joke, it would be awesome
Don't you mean Královec?
Nice reference
well i guess spain and morocco disagree about that they almost started a war for a rock and they are still arguing about those rocks in the coast of morocco to this day
Me not knowing the LangFocus guy also does geography
Responsible act
🇫🇮🤝🇸🇪
The UK feeling Offended 😬
why not just switch sides
Meanwhile we fight wars over bucket
Look at borders of US Indian Reservations if you want to see strange borders...until you notice that the borders are drawn so there is no real water supplies inside the reservations.
Nothing beats baarle-hertog
You think this is a strange border? You should take a look at the town of Baarle located in the Netherlands and Belgium
Why on Earth would a border be drawn like this? It's simple, I blame the british
In the Balkans your neighbour would shoot you if your fence is a meter into his property
War is always a dumb idea regardless the land mass
Tell that England
Was it so hard to give that extra land?
The Navy has billions of islands so how does Andy 11 keep an eye on them
What happened to us finland
The light house was build by Russia when they owned finland
Finland should annex that piece of real estate on Åland that belongs to Putin.
Let the Ålanders worry about that and regret the demilitarization when the Russians storm the beach
@@alksi1 Or if Finland "forgets" the treaty from 1921 and start recruiting Ålanders and militarize Åland. I bet Sweden, Germany, France, UK et al wouldn't mind. NATO could then do some recon an prepare for how to reinforce the defence. What would Russia think? Who cares? They have abandoned all international law.
So with Åland, Gotska Sandön, Gotland and Bornholm NATO has quite an advantage in the Baltic.
and then there are Canada and denmark
Wouldn't it have been easier to draw a straight line across the island? Then just swap sides. If it's uninhabited, then what's the big deal?
Cuz the west side is closer to sweden
Churchill want war...
I'm from Finland 🇫🇮
Mäkin!🇫🇮🇫🇮
@@Brash_Candicoot jEe
Slow progress is progress
The United States would happily disagree. Fighting over a small rock is what we do, just look at the Pig War.
if you think that’s strange look at the dutch belgian border
This would make much more sense in flat earth map
Flat earthers unite!
No the Russians built the light house and then Sweden and Finland made the boarders
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
It would be very different story with terrorist Russia
How petty humans are.
What is with Nordic countries and borders 😭
We like our normal looking borders
Better than straight lines all across
Or we could have secretly invaded it
Thats not Sweden
And why not
Super,💯🇩🇰🇺🇦
Yinyan
There is an other problém. If the Lighthouse would become swedish, Sweden had the due to maintain the Lighthouse!
During the cold war,there have been stations on the border between Germany and Czechoslovakia,which were divided in the middle of the station building!🤣🤣
Argentina: you know that island is so barren nobody would want it so its mine.
Britain: DONT TOUCH MY ROOOOOOCK
👁️ 👃. 👁️
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☕️🍪
🦷🦷🦷🦷
Why didn't they just flip who owned what side but agreed to maintain current maritime borders.
its not that strange.
So petty
this ain't finalnd
Yes it is
Lol that was the old me sorry@@glorpri
But betwen US and Canada. Point Roberts close to Vancouver is even more stupid and strange. Ofcourse Point Roberts should belong to Canada.
Yes, I’ve been there and to the beach on the Canadian side. At low tide you could just go for a quiet stroll and end up getting arrested by immigration officials, totally unaware that you had crossed the border. Before 9-11 I don’t think it was enforced along the beach, but now it seems it is.
@@GEOfocusChannel I have studied the Canadian US border and nowere is it like on Point Roberts. Totalay stupid! Why just there?
How about no?
Like why do you clowns act like American territory needs to look a certain way in order to not offend your sensibilities?
The U.S. isn't going to cede territory and its citizens than you would expect Canada to do so
@@WillmobilePlus Nobody really cares that much. It's just a weird way to draw a border.
And there are some practical considerations that made themselves very evident during covid-19. People were basically trapped in that little exclave. They need to have special arrangements for border crossing.
It's cool, though. I walked up to the border on foot, sat down and had a cross-border chat with an American sitting in a lawn chair 6 feet away.
@@GEOfocusChannel Yea its strange that the stright line didnt stop a few miles out in the Strait of Georgia and then bend about 60-70 degree to the south and link up to the border north of Patos Island. Im wounder when they draw upp this line and why i became like this.
Yes, until it turns out there's oil under that lighthouse
Ok im Swedish ,where in hell did you get that map from . Scandinavia have never ever looked like that on a map . Come on man .
Guess it’s also in mutual benefit to have a lighthouse up and running
They are scandinavian.
"Bjørn, can I have that island, I could really use it."
"Sven, we are not even using that island. You can give us fishing rights or something."
"Oh can we share the island and your side has a lighthouse shaped hole?"
Well Finland is not in Scandinavia
I am surprised. Finnish tend to be war prone. Always wanting conflict
What
I think you're confusing Finland with someone else.
You're confused cuz finland has only had two wars I think
One key thing is that there has mostly never been any border control between Swe/Fin anyways... not even when 40 000 illegal isis and aq come from turkey trough all of Europe from north Swe to Fin...
Is not your problem
Sweden is à Pride civil country with the patient the smatness the sense of justice and the tolerance of à saint the opposite of anglosaxon peoples
Finland are east Sweden.
Nah dom är bara våra små syskon.