"After Sigurdur has given [the dragon] his mortal wound, he starts asking him [the dragon] trivia questions, as one does after one has murdered someone..." (another good laugh)
The last thing you said about not locking knowledge in an ivory tower really is something I love. That is how it's supposed to be. All experts, professors and doctors should have a youtube channel, just about ;)
Probably right after we get rid off the notion of copyright and all the patents in existence are free to look up for anyone - but wait, we live in an age where it is technically illegal to download that funny cat picture because of digital copyright.
I know, right? As a Ravenclaw I love the idea that knowledge is meant to be shared and acquired at any time, and I'd love to follow more professorly youtube channels :)
i agree. Infact i say that to people all the time. Should someone ask me for help with something i know how to do or with anything really i always say " knowledge not passed on is dead knowledge." Which i believe true. Hoarding such knowledge on anything and taking it with you upon death kills the power of that knowledge. As the all father is always on the hunt for knowledge so should we be willing in spreading and growing the knowledge of others.
I love that you had the words on the screen while reading them out loud. It's definitely helpful to read along while hearing it. Interesting anecdote about the potential of a piano falling through the ceiling. Might not be too far-fetched. I live in Boulder, and a dog fell through the ceiling of my office this week. XD. He was fine, by the way. Thanks for another great video.
I like your agenda. I appreciate your videos a lot. At the Natural History Museum of Utah we currently have a 'Vikings' exhibit from the Swedish National Museum (perhaps you've seen its sister exhibit in Denver!). Our museum decided to hire some reenactors to portray norse people from 1000 years ago for the general public and I've leaned heavily upon your videos to ensure that they are as historically accurate as possible. So a hearty thanks for that.
I have to say, I really appreciate this channel. It's always a good day when I see you pop up in my subscriptions.. Thank you so much for providing all the information you do, and for all your work making these videos.
A geek moment - I love how he asks us to note the comparison with the Old Norse word 'fate' Orlog with the Dutch oorlog 'war' by using the latin abbreviaton 'cf' for confer. Old Norse-Latin-Dutch - I love languages
I always enjoy and appreciate your videos. Thank you for your summary at the end of your beliefs on passing on knowledge. Thank you for being a bridge for some of us who walk a different path to meet your mind and touch historical depths that would be difficult with out you.
The three ladies have names that I a Dutchman can understand. Urdr stands for the past. The dutch word "Oer" is related to the ancient past. Verdandi stands for becoming, for the now. the dutch "worden" is becoming. and Skuld is nearly the dutch "Schuld" what stands for both Guilt and Debt. As the future is a debt we have to our children.
"worden" is becoming? Thats interesting, because your neighboring tribe, the Saxons called Odin "Woden" and it is a typical saxon tradition to give yourself a name of what you, or your children should be in the future. So, if you are a coward, you will give your son a name like "Markmuth" like Mark is brave. Understood?
"Worden" is becoming and is also close to the word "Woorden" for words. Maybe words are what we give things to make them become what we want them to become. I could be wrong though. I am no lingual expert.
Erik Stoop That was terrific. Appreciate it. Makes me wonder what the original Doric dialect meaning for the Fates and the Furies actually meant in the reference to that actual culture and language. I say Doric because the Greek of the Spartans was Doric not Attic(Athenian) Greek. In English we tend to be positional and ignore the original meaning of the word. There is an old story of a Norse observing a small bird flying into and out of the rafters of a longhouse,saying that is a metaphor for a man's life and fate,flying out into the darkness the equivalent of death. We come in and we leave,life is brief. They were brave men,but must have made for unbelievably difficult neighbours. Warriors or gangsters ? Take your pick on the perception.
Tarja Nevalainen There is a phrase in the old Scots tongue,sort of . He let ( him) dree his wierd. As in,let him find his fate. I thought wierd would be directly Celtic, but the Lowlands of Scotland had many interactions with different language sources. The similarity of the word I find too strong to ignore. Thanks for your comment.
Thank you Dr. Crawford for these excellent informative videos. I have your translation of the Poetic Edda, and will be purchasing your newest book soon, as well as supporting you on Patron. You seem to truly have a genuine heart of a teacher.
your videos are truly a gift to the world :) though i just finished reading a different translation of the poetic edda, i got both of your books, and am looking forward to see how different the translation comes across!
Thanks for your effects to educate us about Old Norse mythology, language and related topics. I've downloaded your translation of the "Poetic Edda", on my Kindle app, and love reading it. It's nice to not have to translate a translation. I will be buying your newest translation at my earliest convenience. I hope you keep up the good work.
I really appreciate your dedication to educate those of us unable to access the ivory tower! Thanks for the knowledge, I will definitely buy your books.
Yet another great lecture! I have been on the lookout for sources that help distinguish the Norns from the Moirai, and this helped greatly. I have seen several (modern) artists depicting the Norns as holding a rope (tying the knots of ones life, and cutting the cord of ones life, etc), and a few that indicate weaving, but I don't ever think I have seen one that used the imagery of carving. I think that would be wonderful, and can imagine several ways that it could be depicted. As always...the myths ignite the imagination...thank you for another informative (and as always, funny! ) video.
I find it hard to reconcile the concept of a fixed death-day with that of vengeance for the killing of a relative, which is so very common in many sagas. If someone successfully kills your father, for example, it means he was going to die that day no matter what, so what is the point of taking vengeance upon the killer? Even if the killer had done nothing, your father would still be dead.
"....and everything goes your way, and you fail UP, then you have a good Norn who is watching over you" THAT made me laugh. We all know people who have failed UP, and this concept explains that phenomenon as well as any other!
The word W Y R D has been one oddly intriguing word, in need of translation for years, until this chance occurrence. Have you heard of the three WYRD sisters, that met their fated death day of persecution, by hanging, upon (YYY) a triune row of rooted standing trees. Each tree took a letter y form. Incited an ominous eerie vibe.
Thank you for your videos! Very interesting and informative! I recomend the book about Beowulf that Bo Gräslund at Uppsala university wrote a couple years ago were he argues that the poem is in fact created in a scandinavian context
Berkley is UA-cam the city? hahahaha amazing. Love your work. It's very beneficial. Thank you for being drengr, and for explaining the implications of the idea of fate, and why worry?
About the word Örlog, it has the meaning of war in modern Swedish as well, it's not just in Dutch. More specifically "örlog" is used to denote naval warfare in particular, a "warship" for example is a "örlogsfartyg" and a "naval base" is a "örlogsbas".
It used to have this meaning in modern Norwegian until recently as well. During my Bachelor's thesis I researched a lot of Norwegian newspapers from 1914-1915. "Orlogsfartøy" or "Orlogsfartøye" (Archaic and muddied language at the time) I haven't heard the word used today.
I've watched this video a few times, recently because I was wondering about the Norns for a story I'm writing/illustrating. This is the first time I noticed "Berkeley, being basically UA-cam the city where there is always someone insulting random strangers". Having visited Berkeley many times (it's not too far from where I live) I can verify that this is absolutely true!
I learned recently that the regular English word weird is actually an etymological descendant of wyrd, which explains the homophone. Just goes to show how much meaning can change even when sound doesn’t change terribly much.
Thank you Dr Crawford for another first class video. Have you done a translation of the Prose Edda or is it a future project. I have found an outlet in the UK for your work that does not involve Amazon and will gladly pass the information on to anyone in the UK. I recommend your translation of the Poetic Edda to people that I see that are looking for a modern translation that is easyto follow. Please tell me the roots of the English word doom that also means fate? It is used more in the north where we have more influence in our language from the viking or Norse tribes than the Anglo-Saxon and Norman south.
Thanks for that. I really have no idea as to how the Swedish language relates to the Old Norse but it sounds that it is a possibility. I will follow that line more closely.
Hi, Doctor Jackson Crawford. I usually watch your videos, and seeing some of them a doubt arose. Have you ever read Eric Wódening's book "We are our deeds"? I don't actually know if you are also interested in todays Germanic Heathenry reconstruction, but I would like to know if you think that mæġen (OE)/megin (ON) should have been one of the main concepts in Germanic tribes worldview, to the point that when tribal peoples exchanged gifts, a king gave luck blessings, or the individual/tribe did honored stuff they could thought as earning more mæġen/megin, and then having more personal power, in some way.
Thank you for posting this. This concept of fate or Wyrd is something i find myself pondering often. As the books i like to read are historical fiction based around the viking age peoples and the anglo saxons this concept has captured my thoughts. Bernard Cornwell whom in my opinion is the best ive found in this category always makes mention of a phrase in old english. This phrase is (please forgive me as im likely to spell this incorrectly) "Wyrd bio ful araed" translated to be "Fate is inexorable". I always wondered if that would have been a common saying or something similar in scandinavian structure as their pagan religions were so very similar. Im sure translations are things your asked to do all the time but if you should find the time would you be able to translate this into old norse? It would be something i would be very keen to read/hear. Perhaps incorporate it into a tattoo art piece i am planning for myself. Kind regards sir.
Wyrd bið ful aræd. Nietzsche for as much as he tried to not be Germanic in his philosophy, none the less manifests some core Germanic principles. "My formula for greatness in a human being is amor fati: that one wants nothing to be different, not forward, not backward, not in all eternity. Not merely bear what is necessary, still less conceal it-all idealism is mendacity in the face of what is necessary-but love it."
ONE'S DAY of DEATH & it's implications for behavior: that is VERY clear & VERY interesting. AND there are VERY interesting parallels with the Calvinist doctrine of Predestination & it's implications for behavior.
Hi, I'm brazilian and I'm trying to understand this video. Can anyone help me? In the first 15 seconds he quotes a Robinson Jeffers quote, can someone write it down for me? (It is very difficult to listen because of the accent and I am learning English). Thank youuu
Could the Norse "weaving" of the nornir be the woven like knot designs that they would carve on the wood? I always thought that theirs and celtic knots looked woven.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like comfort in submission to inevitable doom is like a Dark Age version of Nietszche’s philosophy or Nihilism in Warrior context. All wars and deaths will lead to a single inescapable fate of mutually assured destruction where in the end, all comes to nothing. Also, big fan of your channel haha.
It's rather that, we're all going to die, we don't know when, or where, or why, or how, so why live in fear. Live honorably, and uphold thine honor. To live cowardly is to shy away from faith, to be a dog, a doormat, someone to be trampled over, a weak and sick individual. It's not that people shouldn't be afraid of dying, it's not something to look forward to, but it's inevitable that one will die so, to live in fear of death, is viewed as being weak, as it hinders you from growing as a person.
Someone else mentioned Swedes once hired Dutch ship builders ( which we were very good at for centuries), "Oorlogsvaartuig" is the dutch version of that word and means the same. But I'm no expert and was not present at the time, so I don't know who first came up with those terms :)
The variation in the concept of the Norns from three Norns to innumerable Norns is similar to the variation in the concept of the three Gina’s in Sanskrit
I have learned a lot from this video as well as the the reply underneath. I am interested to know how this all applied to women Generally they dont go to Valhalla? where do they go? They dont usually fight so how can they have a good death? Perhaps it does not matter.
Funny how áskunngar sounds/looks a lot like askunngen in Swedish. I couldn't find a translation of kunngar, is it related to kunnr (kin) or a different word?
While watching this video I began to fry eggs, and one had two yolks. Is there really any connotation between double yolks and death in norse mythology or is this a modern construction?
A norn question if i may. We know that ones fate is set from the day of ones birth and the "threads of ones life" are set. We know that people sought to seek the approval of the gods or at least to keep them in favour by keeping them entertained as the gods ever loved mischief. My question being is it not contradictory to strive to please the gods to grant favour upon you, extend your life, save the life of another, ect but also believe so strongly in the concept of fate and the norns? We know from the storys of odin how he wished he had not been shown his own fate and that even the gods themselves are not exempt from the fate of the norns. So is there evidence anywhere that shows the gods can influence or change what the norns set in place for us here on midgard, "the greater and lesser children of heimdall"?
I work in a jail and there a lot ositru/arian brother hood guys. Some of them have beautiful Thors hammers tattooed on their chest. I was told about snory snorison and odin as they have a lot of time to read. Anyway they encouraged me to grow my hair out and explore my tribal identity. Isn't that interesting?
Could the notion of norns watching over individuals sort of been related to ancestor worship? This would explain why there could be norns for different races, because obviously different races have different ancestors.
Mightn’t the ‘miserable norn’ concept mean that the norns happened to be miserable on the day of one’s birth, and grumpily carved all kinds of mischief into one’s fate?
Actually I do speak Dutch, One interesting might be how you use the word Oorlog/War, namely that you "feed" it The act of doing a War is called Oorlog voeren - War Feeding One says: wij/ik zijn in Oorlog - we/I are at war (we/I are in War) Or: wij/ik voeren Oorlog - we/i are at war (we/I feeding War) One important not is that: voeren can just as well mean to Lead or Direct someone in a autorotative way
Perhaps the anthropomorphic vision of norms painted by mythology is actually an allegory for a force rather than a being embodied like that of a humanoid being.
This is something that you may not have the background to know the answer to, Dr. Crawford, but to what extent do you think Shakespeare's "Wyrd/Weird" Sisters are a very late reflection or evolution of the Medieval Norns? That's before you get into the debate over how much of the Macbeth witches is Shakespeare and how much is Thomas Middleton. (You can make a good case that in addition to Hecate and the witches' songs, every line that they have that isn't direct dialogue with Macbeth or Banquo is a Middleton interpolation, so their characterization as "witches" instead of beings describing persons fates is an overlay by the latter author.) You can make a good case that Shakespeare read the Gesta Danorum in Latin as well, so if there are any Norn appearances in that work...
Hello, my firstname Urte is extremely rare in Germany and I have learned many years back, that Urte comes from Urd. Would you agree to this? The way we pronounce Urte in German sounds to me as having derived from the way you pronounce Urdr here in the video. Thanks, I am looking forward to your expert opinion.
Very interesting. I agree with your dislike of 'wyrd' though I always looked on it as a translation of urðr not a substitute. WRT your translations. I've read the Saga of the Volsungs and I must say I loved it. I have the Edda on order. Do you have one of the Prose Edda? And I would love to see a book on the physical and linguistic evidence of the Eddas and the Sagas. I have a few questions. First about fate vs. destiny. I thought that the Norse concept was less like fate, though you translate the word urðr as fate, and it is certainly not ván, but closer to the idea of destiny. That is, fate is something that is sealed and unchangeable while destiny is more like a goal or a recipe that requires action on someone's part to fulfill. (Granted many of the men in the sagas say that it is useless to change fate, though it was the seiðr-kona using spindle, distaff and other 'weaving technology' to change destiny which is then fed back through Yggdrasil into the Urðarbrunnr, the well of destiny as it were. I thought one wove ørlǫg/skǫp (auðna). Is this incorrect? One does not weave destiny or fate?) If auðna is unchangeable then what exactly would the vǫlva be able to do? Why would their spá be so sought after in the sagas and poems. Mind you the men may ignore their women's words and say, 'Engi má viði skǫpum vinna' but the witches/seers are still feasted and elevated, literally. So, this then brings us to what is magic in the sense of the Norse if the fate of men is fixed? It would seem a useless profession but apparently it was not. So, it is truly the more modern or Roman concept of fate, something that is unchangeable and unavoidable, or is it more like destiny, something you have to work for. I understood that all things had consciousness, much like what the Buddhists think, and that the seiðr-kona changed the destiny of those objects. Snorri says that the light elves are as bright as the sun and the dark elves are blacker than pitch. But I always thought the dark elves were dwarfs. I think Snorri gets a lot of things confused. :-) As you translated in the Saga of the Vǫlsungs: "Guðrún did not wish to live after this, but her death-day had no yet come." Well, it would seem that everything is fixed. I'm having trouble with that. Great point about the fated death-day. But that only works for men because women go to Hel or possibly they become Valkyrie. And in a nutshell, that's why men go around saying, 'Engi má viði skǫpum vinna'. Some women say it too in the Saga. Or are we talking about THE Vǫlva and not just any human vǫlva. That is the one who weaves fate or destiny to begin with?
Thanks. Got my response on Patreon. I'm a Patron and he's pretty prompt. Mostly I just ask specific questions on the sagas or eddas. Funny that a people who thinks you can't avoid your fate is always seeking from seers the future.
Mark LaPolla Now you mention it,the ancient Greeks had a very similar duality,as well as the three Fates being very very similar to the Norns. Human curiosity as to the future is a universal trait ? Accepting one's fate is not the same as wondering ? Planning for the future and accepting what comes I suppose are two different things. The struggles of Odysseus were admired in the culture, wily Odysseus again and again wriggling out ñ
"After Sigurdur has given [the dragon] his mortal wound, he starts asking him [the dragon] trivia questions, as one does after one has murdered someone..."
(another good laugh)
Such deadpan 😄
The last thing you said about not locking knowledge in an ivory tower really is something I love.
That is how it's supposed to be. All experts, professors and doctors should have a youtube channel, just about ;)
Probably right after we get rid off the notion of copyright and all the patents in existence are free to look up for anyone - but wait, we live in an age where it is technically illegal to download that funny cat picture because of digital copyright.
Alaplaya9 oh yes there is something fishy about copyright.
I know, right? As a Ravenclaw I love the idea that knowledge is meant to be shared and acquired at any time, and I'd love to follow more professorly youtube channels :)
i agree. Infact i say that to people all the time. Should someone ask me for help with something i know how to do or with anything really i always say " knowledge not passed on is dead knowledge." Which i believe true. Hoarding such knowledge on anything and taking it with you upon death kills the power of that knowledge. As the all father is always on the hunt for knowledge so should we be willing in spreading and growing the knowledge of others.
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I miss these videos. Straightforward but simple.
I love that you had the words on the screen while reading them out loud. It's definitely helpful to read along while hearing it.
Interesting anecdote about the potential of a piano falling through the ceiling. Might not be too far-fetched. I live in Boulder, and a dog fell through the ceiling of my office this week. XD. He was fine, by the way.
Thanks for another great video.
I like your agenda. I appreciate your videos a lot. At the Natural History Museum of Utah we currently have a 'Vikings' exhibit from the Swedish National Museum (perhaps you've seen its sister exhibit in Denver!). Our museum decided to hire some reenactors to portray norse people from 1000 years ago for the general public and I've leaned heavily upon your videos to ensure that they are as historically accurate as possible. So a hearty thanks for that.
Dane Crowton I went to that exhibit in Utah, it was great!
That's what we love to hear! Thanks so much for visiting.
I'm impressed by your quotation of an important American poet.
You yourself are drengr dr jackson. Thank you for sharing your wisdom. A cheerful norn for you to sir.
I have to say, I really appreciate this channel. It's always a good day when I see you pop up in my subscriptions.. Thank you so much for providing all the information you do, and for all your work making these videos.
A geek moment - I love how he asks us to note the comparison with the Old Norse word 'fate' Orlog with the Dutch oorlog 'war' by using the latin abbreviaton 'cf' for confer. Old Norse-Latin-Dutch - I love languages
I always enjoy and appreciate your videos. Thank you for your summary at the end of your beliefs on passing on knowledge. Thank you for being a bridge for some of us who walk a different path to meet your mind and touch historical depths that would be difficult with out you.
The three ladies have names that I a Dutchman can understand. Urdr stands for the past. The dutch word "Oer" is related to the ancient past. Verdandi stands for becoming, for the now. the dutch "worden" is becoming. and Skuld is nearly the dutch "Schuld" what stands for both Guilt and Debt. As the future is a debt we have to our children.
"worden" is becoming? Thats interesting, because your neighboring tribe, the Saxons called Odin "Woden" and it is a typical saxon tradition to give yourself a name of what you, or your children should be in the future. So, if you are a coward, you will give your son a name like "Markmuth" like Mark is brave. Understood?
"Worden" is becoming and is also close to the word "Woorden" for words. Maybe words are what we give things to make them become what we want them to become. I could be wrong though. I am no lingual expert.
In German "to become" is also "werden", and "dept" is also "Schuld". I think it´s fairly possible :)
Erik Stoop That was terrific. Appreciate it. Makes me wonder what the original Doric dialect meaning for the Fates and the Furies actually meant in the reference to that actual culture and language. I say Doric because the Greek of the Spartans was Doric not Attic(Athenian) Greek. In English we tend to be positional and ignore the original meaning of the word.
There is an old story of a Norse observing a small bird flying into and out of the rafters of a longhouse,saying that is a metaphor for a man's life and fate,flying out into the darkness the equivalent of death. We come in and we leave,life is brief.
They were brave men,but must have made for unbelievably difficult neighbours. Warriors or gangsters ? Take your pick on the perception.
Tarja Nevalainen There is a phrase in the old Scots tongue,sort of .
He let ( him) dree his wierd. As in,let him find his fate. I thought wierd would be directly Celtic, but the Lowlands of Scotland had many interactions with different language sources. The similarity of the word I find too strong to ignore. Thanks for your comment.
I love that you included an image of the actual text. Very cool.
Excellent, as always. Thank you
I could watch and listen to you talk all day
I am glad you have the Patreon logo up. I will support your efforts. Thanks again for these great videos.
Thank you Dr. Crawford for these excellent informative videos. I have your translation of the Poetic Edda, and will be purchasing your newest book soon, as well as supporting you on Patron. You seem to truly have a genuine heart of a teacher.
your videos are truly a gift to the world :) though i just finished reading a different translation of the poetic edda, i got both of your books, and am looking forward to see how different the translation comes across!
Thank your so much for your work!!!
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This was excellent--thank you so much!
Fantastic explanation of the intrinsic cultural values of 'reckless courage', appreciate this very much!
Thanks for your effects to educate us about Old Norse mythology, language and related topics. I've downloaded your translation of the "Poetic Edda", on my Kindle app, and love reading it. It's nice to not have to translate a translation. I will be buying your newest translation at my earliest convenience. I hope you keep up the good work.
Informative, Valuable. Your work is aprechiated greately
Just bought both books, thank you for your work
I really appreciate your dedication to educate those of us unable to access the ivory tower! Thanks for the knowledge, I will definitely buy your books.
Yet another great lecture! I have been on the lookout for sources that help distinguish the Norns from the Moirai, and this helped greatly. I have seen several (modern) artists depicting the Norns as holding a rope (tying the knots of ones life, and cutting the cord of ones life, etc), and a few that indicate weaving, but I don't ever think I have seen one that used the imagery of carving. I think that would be wonderful, and can imagine several ways that it could be depicted. As always...the myths ignite the imagination...thank you for another informative (and as always, funny! ) video.
Thank you for your videos.
I love your videos!
Great video! One of my favorite Norse subjects.
I find it hard to reconcile the concept of a fixed death-day with that of vengeance for the killing of a relative, which is so very common in many sagas. If someone successfully kills your father, for example, it means he was going to die that day no matter what, so what is the point of taking vengeance upon the killer? Even if the killer had done nothing, your father would still be dead.
Nice presentation. Thanks
Great thanks!
Thank you!
Thank you very much!
Love your books
"....and everything goes your way, and you fail UP, then you have a good Norn who is watching over you"
THAT made me laugh. We all know people who have failed UP, and this concept explains that phenomenon as well as any other!
thank yew dr. crawford
The word W Y R D has been one oddly intriguing word, in need of translation for years, until this chance occurrence.
Have you heard of the three WYRD sisters, that met their fated death day of persecution, by hanging, upon (YYY) a triune row of rooted standing trees. Each tree took a letter y form. Incited an ominous eerie vibe.
That comment in the end about knowledge got my sub and like.
Thank you for your videos! Very interesting and informative!
I recomend the book about Beowulf that Bo Gräslund at Uppsala university wrote a couple years ago were he argues that the poem is in fact created in a scandinavian context
You have a wonderfully dry sense of humor.
thank you.
Berkley is UA-cam the city? hahahaha amazing. Love your work. It's very beneficial. Thank you for being drengr, and for explaining the implications of the idea of fate, and why worry?
About the word Örlog, it has the meaning of war in modern Swedish as well, it's not just in Dutch. More specifically "örlog" is used to denote naval warfare in particular, a "warship" for example is a "örlogsfartyg" and a "naval base" is a "örlogsbas".
thanks
It used to have this meaning in modern Norwegian until recently as well. During my Bachelor's thesis I researched a lot of Norwegian newspapers from 1914-1915. "Orlogsfartøy" or "Orlogsfartøye" (Archaic and muddied language at the time) I haven't heard the word used today.
another smh thing about this word is that people just can't decide whether to put the umlauts
Could be borrowed from or at least influenced by the Dutch or Low German cognates too, if the word in Old Norse didn't have this particular meaning
Probably borrowed from Dutch oorlog. When Sweden broke the union with Denmark and suddenly was in need of a navy mainly Dutch shipbuilders was hired.
Thanks
I've watched this video a few times, recently because I was wondering about the Norns for a story I'm writing/illustrating. This is the first time I noticed "Berkeley, being basically UA-cam the city where there is always someone insulting random strangers". Having visited Berkeley many times (it's not too far from where I live) I can verify that this is absolutely true!
I learned recently that the regular English word weird is actually an etymological descendant of wyrd, which explains the homophone. Just goes to show how much meaning can change even when sound doesn’t change terribly much.
For some Reason this makes me think about King Arthur and Merlin.
In swedish we still use “Örlog” in the word “örlogsfartyg”, meaning ship of war.
I do recommend reading his books as well.
Robinson Jeffers... wow. Wish you had been one of MY professors, back-a-long.
Thank you Dr Crawford for another first class video. Have you done a translation of the Prose Edda or is it a future project.
I have found an outlet in the UK for your work that does not involve Amazon and will gladly pass the information on to anyone in the UK. I recommend your translation of the Poetic Edda to people that I see that are looking for a modern translation that is easyto follow.
Please tell me the roots of the English word doom that also means fate? It is used more in the north where we have more influence in our language from the viking or Norse tribes than the Anglo-Saxon and Norman south.
Thanks for that.
I really have no idea as to how the Swedish language relates to the Old Norse but it sounds that it is a possibility. I will follow that line more closely.
Interesting...
Hi, Doctor Jackson Crawford. I usually watch your videos, and seeing some of them a doubt arose.
Have you ever read Eric Wódening's book "We are our deeds"? I don't actually know if you are also interested in todays Germanic Heathenry reconstruction, but I would like to know if you think that mæġen (OE)/megin (ON) should have been one of the main concepts in Germanic tribes worldview, to the point that when tribal peoples exchanged gifts, a king gave luck blessings, or the individual/tribe did honored stuff they could thought as earning more mæġen/megin, and then having more personal power, in some way.
Thank you for posting this. This concept of fate or Wyrd is something i find myself pondering often. As the books i like to read are historical fiction based around the viking age peoples and the anglo saxons this concept has captured my thoughts. Bernard Cornwell whom in my opinion is the best ive found in this category always makes mention of a phrase in old english. This phrase is (please forgive me as im likely to spell this incorrectly) "Wyrd bio ful araed" translated to be "Fate is inexorable". I always wondered if that would have been a common saying or something similar in scandinavian structure as their pagan religions were so very similar. Im sure translations are things your asked to do all the time but if you should find the time would you be able to translate this into old norse? It would be something i would be very keen to read/hear. Perhaps incorporate it into a tattoo art piece i am planning for myself.
Kind regards sir.
Wyrd bið ful aræd. Nietzsche for as much as he tried to not be Germanic in his philosophy, none the less manifests some core Germanic principles.
"My formula for greatness in a human being is amor fati: that one wants nothing to be different, not forward, not backward, not in all eternity. Not merely bear what is necessary, still less conceal it-all idealism is mendacity in the face of what is necessary-but love it."
That is also very much Stoic philosophy, the idea of aligning yourself with fate, with what is, and enjoying it.
ONE'S DAY of DEATH & it's implications for behavior: that is VERY clear & VERY interesting.
AND there are VERY interesting parallels with the Calvinist doctrine of Predestination & it's implications for behavior.
Interesting, sort of like a Nordic version of Pascal's Wager (with respect to what you said about the incentive to be courageous).
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Hi, I'm brazilian and I'm trying to understand this video. Can anyone help me? In the first 15 seconds he quotes a Robinson Jeffers quote, can someone write it down for me? (It is very difficult to listen because of the accent and I am learning English). Thank youuu
Watching your videos just makes me realize I pronounce ON vowels in a violently swedish way and I really need to work on that lol
Could the Norse "weaving" of the nornir be the woven like knot designs that they would carve on the wood? I always thought that theirs and celtic knots looked woven.
Any advice for a layman looking to start a study of Old Norse? Any recommended texts?
Richard Wagner's Norns (Ring Cycle) certainly weave and cast - he seemed to conflate them with the Moirai.
what's the difference between Hell & Velhela ( I don't know how it's spelled
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it sounds like comfort in submission to inevitable doom is like a Dark Age version of Nietszche’s philosophy or Nihilism in Warrior context. All wars and deaths will lead to a single inescapable fate of mutually assured destruction where in the end, all comes to nothing.
Also, big fan of your channel haha.
It's rather that, we're all going to die, we don't know when, or where, or why, or how, so why live in fear. Live honorably, and uphold thine honor. To live cowardly is to shy away from faith, to be a dog, a doormat, someone to be trampled over, a weak and sick individual.
It's not that people shouldn't be afraid of dying, it's not something to look forward to, but it's inevitable that one will die so, to live in fear of death, is viewed as being weak, as it hinders you from growing as a person.
In Swedish "örlog" is still used as something relating to the navy.
Örlogsfartyg = Naval vessel
Someone else mentioned Swedes once hired Dutch ship builders ( which we were very good at for centuries), "Oorlogsvaartuig" is the dutch version of that word and means the same. But I'm no expert and was not present at the time, so I don't know who first came up with those terms :)
The variation in the concept of the Norns from three Norns to innumerable Norns is similar to the variation in the concept of the three Gina’s in Sanskrit
I have learned a lot from this video as well as the the reply underneath. I am interested to know how this all applied to women Generally they dont go to Valhalla? where do they go? They dont usually fight so how can they have a good death? Perhaps it does not matter.
LMAO @ "Berkeley being UA-cam the city..." 🤣🤣🤣
Funny how áskunngar sounds/looks a lot like askunngen in Swedish. I couldn't find a translation of kunngar, is it related to kunnr (kin) or a different word?
I find the norns intruiging Im reading magnus chase and the norns are mentioned they seem soo mysterious. Are they similar to greek fates.
While watching this video I began to fry eggs, and one had two yolks.
Is there really any connotation between double yolks and death in norse mythology or is this a modern construction?
Have you translated the codex runicus
A norn question if i may. We know that ones fate is set from the day of ones birth and the "threads of ones life" are set. We know that people sought to seek the approval of the gods or at least to keep them in favour by keeping them entertained as the gods ever loved mischief. My question being is it not contradictory to strive to please the gods to grant favour upon you, extend your life, save the life of another, ect but also believe so strongly in the concept of fate and the norns? We know from the storys of odin how he wished he had not been shown his own fate and that even the gods themselves are not exempt from the fate of the norns. So is there evidence anywhere that shows the gods can influence or change what the norns set in place for us here on midgard, "the greater and lesser children of heimdall"?
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Hmmm. Your mention of the golden threads brought to mind the Greek fates, weaving golden threads.
I work in a jail and there a lot ositru/arian brother hood guys. Some of them have beautiful Thors hammers tattooed on their chest. I was told about snory snorison and odin as they have a lot of time to read. Anyway they encouraged me to grow my hair out and explore my tribal identity. Isn't that interesting?
Very interesting, skuld in afrikaans(which derives from dutch) means "what you owe" someone...
Hei, nog ‘n Afrikaner wat Jackson Crawford kyk!
Ja dat dacht ik ook
practicing my skaldic poetry; I died on my death day with my love, and battle dagger my sword beside her.(close?)
nothing escapes fate .
Could the notion of norns watching over individuals sort of been related to ancestor worship? This would explain why there could be norns for different races, because obviously different races have different ancestors.
I think about these things often, because I believe in a predetermined universe.
I don't know what the future holds and I don't claim to know.
Mightn’t the ‘miserable norn’ concept mean that the norns happened to be miserable on the day of one’s birth, and grumpily carved all kinds of mischief into one’s fate?
Actually I do speak Dutch,
One interesting might be how you use the word Oorlog/War, namely that you "feed" it
The act of doing a War is called Oorlog voeren - War Feeding
One says: wij/ik zijn in Oorlog - we/I are at war (we/I are in War)
Or: wij/ik voeren Oorlog - we/i are at war (we/I feeding War)
One important not is that: voeren can just as well mean to Lead or Direct someone in a autorotative way
Perhaps the anthropomorphic vision of norms painted by mythology is actually an allegory for a force rather than a being embodied like that of a humanoid being.
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This is something that you may not have the background to know the answer to, Dr. Crawford, but to what extent do you think Shakespeare's "Wyrd/Weird" Sisters are a very late reflection or evolution of the Medieval Norns? That's before you get into the debate over how much of the Macbeth witches is Shakespeare and how much is Thomas Middleton. (You can make a good case that in addition to Hecate and the witches' songs, every line that they have that isn't direct dialogue with Macbeth or Banquo is a Middleton interpolation, so their characterization as "witches" instead of beings describing persons fates is an overlay by the latter author.)
You can make a good case that Shakespeare read the Gesta Danorum in Latin as well, so if there are any Norn appearances in that work...
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This is a bit similar to the Turkish concept of kismet.
Lev för dagen. För Nornorna väver tråden för ditt öde. 🇸🇪
I noticed that Verdandi looks very similar to the French word for Friday vendredi. Is there any connection?
Not really. It means "day of Venus." And Friday is Frigg's day, which makes sense since Venus and Frigg were equated to each other often.
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Hello,
my firstname Urte is extremely rare in Germany and I have learned many years back, that Urte comes from Urd. Would you agree to this? The way we pronounce Urte in German sounds to me as having derived from the way you pronounce Urdr here in the video.
Thanks, I am looking forward to your expert opinion.
Apparently Urte is derived from Greek Dorothea, also Dorthe.
My fights and battles are internal lol
The good old days.
I think I have a happy Norn, that is usually drunk but has brief bouts with sobriety.
Hahahaha
hahaha i think so too.
Perhaps, and I may be wrong, it's not so much a fated day and time as it is a fated event.
Very interesting. I agree with your dislike of 'wyrd' though I always looked on it as a translation of urðr not a substitute. WRT your translations. I've read the Saga of the Volsungs and I must say I loved it. I have the Edda on order. Do you have one of the Prose Edda? And I would love to see a book on the physical and linguistic evidence of the Eddas and the Sagas.
I have a few questions. First about fate vs. destiny. I thought that the Norse concept was less like fate, though you translate the word urðr as fate, and it is certainly not ván, but closer to the idea of destiny. That is, fate is something that is sealed and unchangeable while destiny is more like a goal or a recipe that requires action on someone's part to fulfill. (Granted many of the men in the sagas say that it is useless to change fate, though it was the seiðr-kona using spindle, distaff and other 'weaving technology' to change destiny which is then fed back through Yggdrasil into the Urðarbrunnr, the well of destiny as it were. I thought one wove ørlǫg/skǫp (auðna). Is this incorrect? One does not weave destiny or fate?) If auðna is unchangeable then what exactly would the vǫlva be able to do? Why would their spá be so sought after in the sagas and poems. Mind you the men may ignore their women's words and say, 'Engi má viði skǫpum vinna' but the witches/seers are still feasted and elevated, literally. So, this then brings us to what is magic in the sense of the Norse if the fate of men is fixed? It would seem a useless profession but apparently it was not. So, it is truly the more modern or Roman concept of fate, something that is unchangeable and unavoidable, or is it more like destiny, something you have to work for. I understood that all things had consciousness, much like what the Buddhists think, and that the seiðr-kona changed the destiny of those objects.
Snorri says that the light elves are as bright as the sun and the dark elves are blacker than pitch. But I always thought the dark elves were dwarfs. I think Snorri gets a lot of things confused. :-)
As you translated in the Saga of the Vǫlsungs: "Guðrún did not wish to live after this, but her death-day had no yet come." Well, it would seem that everything is fixed. I'm having trouble with that. Great point about the fated death-day. But that only works for men because women go to Hel or possibly they become Valkyrie. And in a nutshell, that's why men go around saying, 'Engi má viði skǫpum vinna'. Some women say it too in the Saga. Or are we talking about THE Vǫlva and not just any human vǫlva. That is the one who weaves fate or destiny to begin with?
Mark LaPolla If you want him to respond,he now does so for his Patreon people. Not suggesting,merely explaining.
Thanks. Got my response on Patreon. I'm a Patron and he's pretty prompt. Mostly I just ask specific questions on the sagas or eddas.
Funny that a people who thinks you can't avoid your fate is always seeking from seers the future.
Mark LaPolla Now you mention it,the ancient Greeks had a very similar duality,as well as the three Fates being very very similar to the Norns. Human curiosity as to the future is a universal trait ? Accepting one's fate is not the same as wondering ? Planning for the future and accepting what comes I suppose are two different things. The struggles of Odysseus were admired in the culture, wily Odysseus again and again wriggling out ñ
And yet, the Norse magic is all about influencing and knowing the future. And to top it off, magic's use is conferred ni∂.
Is "meyjar" cognate with "mulier?"
Don't think so, maybe from P.I.E i don't know. Meyjar is cognate with maiden I believe. From proto-germanic Magwi (girl) Maguz (boy)
I used to live on the Norns way, literally. Nornornas väg