GUYS! On Reddit, atalkingfish informed me how wrong I was about the bass part for the second section. It IS 13/4 polymeter like I said, but it ain't just 8th notes and rests, its actually way more complicated than that. Although it's nearly impossible to hear in the mix on the original album, you can see/hear him play it live or hear it on isolated stems. SORRY!
Signals Music Studio very cool vid, anyway! I’d like to see more of this kind of thing. Creative ways to work interesting things into ones own compositions.
I remember the first time I’ve heard that song, it was almost a year ago, I was playing RockBand4 and there it was as the most difficult song in the game so I played it and in the moment it started my mind blew, the heavy riffs, the Drum beats and the way they played with the tempos during the song is just fu... brilliant and beautiful
Get Michelangelo to paint your guitar for you. Not that guitar noob, the Sistine Chapel guy. And you need a preamp that controls how hot the sun is or something like that.
Dream Theater themselves had a band called Nightmare Cinema. The band members played other instruments. Petrucci played drums, Myung played the keyboards, Derek played guitars and Portnoy played bass. LaBrie was the singer Also they adopted different names, just for the meme: Johnny James, Juice Malouse, Nicky Lemons, Max del Fuvio and Abdul Matahari, in the same order as above
About the bass in the second half. Myung is not just playing root notes. He is playing a tapping lead which is nothing like what you showed. You can see it on live performances of this song + the isolated bass track which you can find online. It does follow the rhythm you outlined but the notes are all wrong on what you showed.
It took me 18 years to understand Dream theater musicality. I would need another 18 more to understand the analysis. It's truly amazing. The decoding is phenomenal.
Just thought I'd point out the bass part in the last 8 measures is missing the 16th note tapping between the roots. Plus he's also doing 16th notes of the root and octave. At least I'm pretty sure
I have a couple of music teaching YT heroes and I just can't understand how come that I haven't found you to put on their list. You really deserve it. Going to fix that right now...
I've always hated Dream Theater for their lack of "soul", but after seeing your video I think would be fun to play that kind of music, not so fun to listen to or to non-musicians. Thank you, you changed my perspective!
Dude! You’re a genius I have never analyze music to that degree dream theater specially when I seen you do that I know I do you know what you’re talking about so good job dude
JAFO-PTY most people who don’t like DT do it because of james. I think silver lining is a beautiful album. Except I could barely listen to it without his cringy voice. It’s even worse live.
I love it Been a long time since I did this with music. The "rip off" was awesome! Even though I'm very familiar with the Dream Theater song, I think what you did stands up as its own very well.
This. This is exactly what I need in my life. Thank you. I'm definitely subscribing and happy to see a (relatively) new face coming up in the burgeoning world of hardcore music science on youtube. A couple of comments: I love the very concise, practical breakdowns like this. I'll have to watch more of your videos but it seems like you and Adam Nealy share a little bit of space. It's this specific deconstruction and reverse engineering that is unique, special, and exactly what I need to help when the writing doesn't come so easy as it gives a concise, in depth look into how some of my inspos do it. Thank you. Your recording room, combined with this music, gives me a weird sense of nostalgia for stuff that you're spookily young-seeming to be evoking... Dude, your voice. You've found your home my friend. Your voice is perfect for this sort of thing. Now, may I say something not so nice? Feel free not to read on. Ready? Here goes: Again, I'll have to listen to other stuff of yours since this could be something exclusive to this video... But man, that guitar tone... wow. It reminds me of when the random guy at guitar center plugs in the cheap ESP with active pickups into the Metal Zone pedal at the Boss display... All fizz, all buzz, all cheap, and not nearly up to par with the amazing stuff you're giving us. Now, you didn't ask for this (what I would generously call) "advice," so feel free to completely ignore it, but if I may: I would hope you have a guitar with passive pickups. Let's maybe use that UNLESS we know for sure the guy we're emulating plays active pickups (JP does not). Next, if I may, what are you playing through? Might I suggest a hyper-simple and cheap solution that will get you squared away for a million videos to come: Positive Grid Bias. You'll have all the amp and effects options you need for absolutely anything. Again, this is unsolicited, so ignore it at your leisure. For all I know you've got 23 high end guitars and 12 amazing amps covering Marshall to Mesa and Shaw to Dr Z, and just chose this tone because it's exactly what you felt was appropriate for this video. If so, I get it and I'll see myself out. Anyway, thanks again for the amazing content, and you've got yourself a subscriber for sure!
A 4th and a Root can be thought of as a powerchord that has been inverted. I love the sound of them, they're very "chunky" but still avoid any context of major or minor.
I'd endorse it! Like if I want to play a D powerchord, instead of doing a 5th fret powerchord on the 5th string, instead, I would smash my finger across the 5th fret on both the 6th AND 5th string. It sounds like a deeper more brutal version of the same 2 notes. With enough distortion and low end, you can almost hear a low D being formed from the harmonics.
First time I’ve ever seen one of your videos, first time even hearing a dream theater song, and I fully enjoyed how you presented the breakdown of the music, how smoothly you talked about the elements of the riff and how you didn’t come off as a music snob. Great video! Keep it up brother.
That’s totally cool, I don’t think you’re song is a rip-off at all, it’s totally different time -sig, and different chords. That’s great how you broke it down like that! 👍
I just discovered your channel yesterday and I fell in love with your videos! gosh, these are AMAZING VIDEOS! I subscribed instantly!! also you have a intervals series and that's something I have been looking for recently so that was a coincidence lol, keep up the great work!
I love the way you explain music theory. Thank you a lot. For someone who doesn't have any knowledge besides basic chords, you've taught me valuable stuff today. I've seen many artists in UA-cam but you're explanations are so easy to understand. Thank you once again.
I can do better :P 8+5+8+5+8+8+6+5 (8ths). kick drum at the start and end of every measure. El Guit outlining A LOT of sus2 chords. Keyboard playing in 53/8 (I'll find a pattern, don't worry). Sad part is I don't have a bass... (I do the drums in FLStudio)
This is exactly what I think Avenged Sevenfold did when they wrote songs from HTTK album like Sheperd Of Fire and Heretic. It's like they reverse-engineered Enter Sandman and Symphony of Destruction respectively
Awesome stuff man, really cool. The final composition sounded more like Rush than DT hahahaha, maybe it's because it reminds me Rush's BigMoney. Anyways, it's still really cool stuff :)
Is there a name for the musical technique where one voice walks up or down and another voice stays the same? Two examples I can think of are: The opening of Down Together by The Refreshments. The vocals sing a straight flat opening lyric while the bass walks down. And Metropolis Part I by Dream Theater. At about 1:40 the guitar chugs on a single note while the synth walks up (sounds like in semi tones). Just wondering if there is a term for this technique?
LOL! The ride pattern was the first thing I picked out and it was the last thing you mentioned. :D Also I'd like to emphasize that it IS accompanying Myungs bass time-wise (or rather they are forming this pattern that flips on it's head). Nice analysis otherwise!
I've written a ton of songs this way, without knowing it was actually a thing... I always just called it ripping off _x lol.... the key is to make it unnoticeable.
The refinement of music is wonderful. Born 1951 I grew up in a wonderful time of creativity in music. It was often rough and ready ( ua-cam.com/video/jex9iq7mR6M/v-deo.html ). Actually This album I linked to released in 1971 by Jeff Beck was a refinement of music for that time. I find change a challenge because music is so often copy cat in style. You are a refreshing study in what makes it all work. Actually I have been stuck in the seventies for too long and I think the greats were saved for this time .
"awake" is the only DT album that i've ever been able to get into.. it was the first and only DT album i've ever bought, something about those songs are so memorable. i've tried listening to other DT music but i can't quite enjoy it as much..
By what your are saying, every member in DT is way above the rest of others bands because they can play the more technical and complex keys and rhythm while other bands just play straight forward and steady rhythm and keys.
For so many years people keep misunderstanding and abusing from the term. Sound engineer. In fact. It's sound technician . The real sound engineer create the electronics parts. thats It's in fact an electronic engineer who know about acoustic maths etc. Some dudes moving knots and downloading apps to record a guitar and claims to be sound engineer. It's like say that a DJ is a trained musician. It's a science to do the mixing and an lot of a knowledge And deserve all my respect.
The best way to uncomplicate music and incorporate ideas in your own is to kidnap actual band members from other bands and force them to drink redbull.
Reverse engineering is a great way to build up a better foundation and understanding of theory and practical approaches. This was a great video and thank you for putting in the time to make it. Now time to reverse engineer some Blotted Science
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GUYS! On Reddit, atalkingfish informed me how wrong I was about the bass part for the second section. It IS 13/4 polymeter like I said, but it ain't just 8th notes and rests, its actually way more complicated than that. Although it's nearly impossible to hear in the mix on the original album, you can see/hear him play it live or hear it on isolated stems. SORRY!
Signals Music Studio very cool vid, anyway! I’d like to see more of this kind of thing. Creative ways to work interesting things into ones own compositions.
I was about to comment about the bass being actually different lmao
Not good enough. Thumbs down from me
First, name the song right. If you check the beginning of the video it says “The Sleeper and the Miracle” #UNLIKE
That's fine, SMS. The point of the lesson remains the same, and well done.
Time to reverse engineer Dance Of Eternity. Should be a piece of cake.
I remember the first time I’ve heard that song, it was almost a year ago, I was playing RockBand4 and there it was as the most difficult song in the game so I played it and in the moment it started my mind blew, the heavy riffs, the Drum beats and the way they played with the tempos during the song is just fu... brilliant and beautiful
Thanks for the video
9:10 sounds like something out of a newer super monkey ball game lol
👍🏼🙋♂️
You have to grow a big beard in order to unlock the Petrucci powers
Another thing Petrucci can do that I can't :(
dont forget to lift
but dont forget to shave your neckbeard or it will absorb your petrucci powers
Actually Grizzly arms are required to unlock full achievement
Get Michelangelo to paint your guitar for you. Not that guitar noob, the Sistine Chapel guy. And you need a preamp that controls how hot the sun is or something like that.
Did you say Dream Theater? Subscribed!
So...what's easier or harder?, string theory, quantum mechanics or dream theater writting process?
JorgGamingCR how about animals as leaders
I though animals as leaders just played what came to their minds.
I think String Quantum Mechanics Theory is actually the name of the next DT album
@@bcepni00 That's also Dream Theater for ppl who don't understand their music
@@psychedelicpain420 I guess so. I'm definetly used to DT but not yet to AAL.
Do this for every Dream Theater track. I will make a dream theater clone band. *Dream Cinema*
SRNF black metal version.
nightmare arena.
unfunny
Dream Theater themselves had a band called Nightmare Cinema. The band members played other instruments. Petrucci played drums, Myung played the keyboards, Derek played guitars and Portnoy played bass. LaBrie was the singer
Also they adopted different names, just for the meme: Johnny James, Juice Malouse, Nicky Lemons, Max del Fuvio and Abdul Matahari, in the same order as above
Everyone already knows this. @@doriangrayest
@@Josh-it6uy I didn't
Reverse engineer Opeth :D
Grå Tusmørke YES
Need more thumbs up on this
moore
YES PLEASE
Their acoustic stuff is especially interesting.
Nicely done, plus you have a killer voice for this sorta thing.
Great video btw, makes dream theater sound less impossible
Edit: a word 😉
I feel the other way around. Like would be easier to just close my eyes and copy Petrucci (yeah, easier to say than do)
Start by spelling it right :P "Dream Theater"
Shit...
But keep in mind this is only 16 measures...
Dude please do prog song breakdowns! Gained a sub bro!
Okay. You've covered Dream Theater...
Time for Symphony X
I vote for Nickelback! I cant understand their music.
hahahaha!!!!
@@JakobStrand Nickelback is music????
A Symphony X analysis would be awesome
About the bass in the second half. Myung is not just playing root notes. He is playing a tapping lead which is nothing like what you showed. You can see it on live performances of this song + the isolated bass track which you can find online. It does follow the rhythm you outlined but the notes are all wrong on what you showed.
I found your channel this morning, loved your stuff, subscribed, then an hour later, you break down one of my favorite DT songs. This is insane
I literally found this channel yesterday and subscribed right away
That is awesome, I'm happy you had that experience, something like that happening to me would make me really excited.
0:48 Oh no bass player not play right part
For those unaware, the bass also plays the part at 4:43.
Yesssss, just listen to john myung isolated bass track. And he also play that part like that time stamp lol
Yeah, i need that pie recipe: cherry, molasses, salt...what else?
thats it. its a disgusting pie, not recommended
Signals Music Studio lmao
@@SignalsMusicStudio Thanks, I'm now titling one of my songs "Salted Molasses and Cherries" because of this.
Don't forget the balls and chunk!
It took me 18 years to understand Dream theater musicality. I would need another 18 more to understand the analysis. It's truly amazing. The decoding is phenomenal.
Agreed! On all points ..
Now, you need to do one from both Fates Warning & Queensryche, and you'll have completed the ProgMetal trifecta!
What are you talking about??? That two bands cant even come close to Symphony X. Smh
Just thought I'd point out the bass part in the last 8 measures is missing the 16th note tapping between the roots. Plus he's also doing 16th notes of the root and octave.
At least I'm pretty sure
Thank you! I knew there was something off with the bass.
yeah, he completely missed that, he definitely does tap octave notes
The Miracle and the Sleeper, not The Sleeper and the Miracle.
I have a couple of music teaching YT heroes and I just can't understand how come that I haven't found you to put on their list.
You really deserve it.
Going to fix that right now...
This was fantastic! I love this! Subbed!
I've always hated Dream Theater for their lack of "soul", but after seeing your video I think would be fun to play that kind of music, not so fun to listen to or to non-musicians. Thank you, you changed my perspective!
Dude! You’re a genius I have never analyze music to that degree dream theater specially when I seen you do that I know I do you know what you’re talking about so good job dude
poor James, always the joke punchline!
JAFO-PTY most people who don’t like DT do it because of james.
I think silver lining is a beautiful album. Except I could barely listen to it without his cringy voice. It’s even worse live.
I love it
Been a long time since I did this with music.
The "rip off" was awesome! Even though I'm very familiar with the Dream Theater song, I think what you did stands up as its own very well.
share this channel!!!..these videos are inspiring and fresh!!
buddy you are such a pleasure the way you break things down that's great and i really appreciate it
This. This is exactly what I need in my life. Thank you. I'm definitely subscribing and happy to see a (relatively) new face coming up in the burgeoning world of hardcore music science on youtube. A couple of comments:
I love the very concise, practical breakdowns like this. I'll have to watch more of your videos but it seems like you and Adam Nealy share a little bit of space. It's this specific deconstruction and reverse engineering that is unique, special, and exactly what I need to help when the writing doesn't come so easy as it gives a concise, in depth look into how some of my inspos do it. Thank you.
Your recording room, combined with this music, gives me a weird sense of nostalgia for stuff that you're spookily young-seeming to be evoking...
Dude, your voice. You've found your home my friend. Your voice is perfect for this sort of thing.
Now, may I say something not so nice? Feel free not to read on. Ready? Here goes:
Again, I'll have to listen to other stuff of yours since this could be something exclusive to this video... But man, that guitar tone... wow. It reminds me of when the random guy at guitar center plugs in the cheap ESP with active pickups into the Metal Zone pedal at the Boss display... All fizz, all buzz, all cheap, and not nearly up to par with the amazing stuff you're giving us. Now, you didn't ask for this (what I would generously call) "advice," so feel free to completely ignore it, but if I may: I would hope you have a guitar with passive pickups. Let's maybe use that UNLESS we know for sure the guy we're emulating plays active pickups (JP does not). Next, if I may, what are you playing through? Might I suggest a hyper-simple and cheap solution that will get you squared away for a million videos to come: Positive Grid Bias. You'll have all the amp and effects options you need for absolutely anything. Again, this is unsolicited, so ignore it at your leisure. For all I know you've got 23 high end guitars and 12 amazing amps covering Marshall to Mesa and Shaw to Dr Z, and just chose this tone because it's exactly what you felt was appropriate for this video. If so, I get it and I'll see myself out.
Anyway, thanks again for the amazing content, and you've got yourself a subscriber for sure!
Thats a great and interresting videos. I would be interested for sseeing the same with opeth
What do you call that prog sounding chord with a perfect fourth and an eight? How does it differ from a power chord in terms of "color"?
A 4th and a Root can be thought of as a powerchord that has been inverted. I love the sound of them, they're very "chunky" but still avoid any context of major or minor.
What if i use them instead of power chords? Because they sound a lot more EPIC lol
I'd endorse it! Like if I want to play a D powerchord, instead of doing a 5th fret powerchord on the 5th string, instead, I would smash my finger across the 5th fret on both the 6th AND 5th string. It sounds like a deeper more brutal version of the same 2 notes. With enough distortion and low end, you can almost hear a low D being formed from the harmonics.
Thanks!
Or just learn inverted power chords
Your song at the end sounds like a Sonic Adventure 2 late game song to me haha
First time I’ve ever seen one of your videos, first time even hearing a dream theater song, and I fully enjoyed how you presented the breakdown of the music, how smoothly you talked about the elements of the riff and how you didn’t come off as a music snob. Great video! Keep it up brother.
"...and then I threw in a C major for good luck." This literally made me laugh, idk why.
That voice does not belong with that body lol.
Great vid
Please do an analysis of Stream of Conciousness by DT!
sounds like something out of the mario kart 8 soundtrack
@@hc3550 we always knew he was a prog head
Such a well done video.
That’s totally cool, I don’t think you’re song is a rip-off at all, it’s totally different time -sig, and different chords. That’s great how you broke it down like that! 👍
I just discovered your channel yesterday and I fell in love with your videos! gosh, these are AMAZING VIDEOS! I subscribed instantly!! also you have a intervals series and that's something I have been looking for recently so that was a coincidence lol, keep up the great work!
Okay that it! Im subscribing!
I love the way you explain music theory. Thank you a lot. For someone who doesn't have any knowledge besides basic chords, you've taught me valuable stuff today. I've seen many artists in UA-cam but you're explanations are so easy to understand. Thank you once again.
Dream Theater is on another plane from the rest of the world.
and chester too
I see what you did there
Analysis? Indeed! Leaps and Bounds- in short order... I can see this is the beginning of a beautiful student teacher relationship....thanks bro....
0:50 Dude that drum kit is about 195 pieces too small...
just like liquid tension exp
I can do better :P 8+5+8+5+8+8+6+5 (8ths). kick drum at the start and end of every measure. El Guit outlining A LOT of sus2 chords. Keyboard playing in 53/8 (I'll find a pattern, don't worry). Sad part is I don't have a bass... (I do the drums in FLStudio)
Brilliant! This is real Jedi level stuff to me but now I appreciate Dream Theater even more.
love it! please analyse/breakdown for the dance of eternity..
This is exactly what I think Avenged Sevenfold did when they wrote songs from HTTK album like Sheperd Of Fire and Heretic. It's like they reverse-engineered Enter Sandman and Symphony of Destruction respectively
Awesome stuff man, really cool. The final composition sounded more like Rush than DT hahahaha, maybe it's because it reminds me Rush's BigMoney. Anyways, it's still really cool stuff :)
Did anybody else realize that this guy voices “Pooploser69” from Minecraft n00b adventures? 😂
Really enjoyed this!
I didn't understand the complexity of this song before, but now I have achieved a much deeper level of ignorance.. 😂
Is there a name for the musical technique where one voice walks up or down and another voice stays the same? Two examples I can think of are: The opening of Down Together by The Refreshments. The vocals sing a straight flat opening lyric while the bass walks down. And Metropolis Part I by Dream Theater. At about 1:40 the guitar chugs on a single note while the synth walks up (sounds like in semi tones). Just wondering if there is a term for this technique?
3:14 WRONG John Myung plays a tapping rhythm there, it's pretty complicated actually
NNNNNNEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDD.
LOL! The ride pattern was the first thing I picked out and it was the last thing you mentioned. :D Also I'd like to emphasize that it IS accompanying Myungs bass time-wise (or rather they are forming this pattern that flips on it's head). Nice analysis otherwise!
Check my unfinished demo video Exceed - termite part 1. I was influenced by DT back then in 2001 after listened to scene from a memory album.
Wait..did you say Kevin Moore on the keys...dude this is Jordan Rudess..NEVER confuse the two
nice do a full dream theater song like this its sound realy good
If Adam Neely was a metalhead...
I've written a ton of songs this way, without knowing it was actually a thing... I always just called it ripping off _x lol.... the key is to make it unnoticeable.
The refinement of music is wonderful. Born 1951 I grew up in a wonderful time of creativity in music. It was often rough and ready ( ua-cam.com/video/jex9iq7mR6M/v-deo.html ). Actually This album I linked to released in 1971 by Jeff Beck was a refinement of music for that time. I find change a challenge because music is so often copy cat in style. You are a refreshing study in what makes it all work. Actually I have been stuck in the seventies for too long and I think the greats were saved for this time .
I like yours better. (Never liked dream theater, or zappa but love ELP and Genesis, go figure).
I still can't get wtf you're saying but I love it.. please do other videos about polyrithm and polymetrics maybe beginning with the noob version:)
"awake" is the only DT album that i've ever been able to get into.. it was the first and only DT album i've ever bought, something about those songs are so memorable. i've tried listening to other DT music but i can't quite enjoy it as much..
except somehow your riff sounds major while theirs still sounds ambiguous. the magic of johnny p. good post doe!
By what your are saying, every member in DT is way above the rest of others bands because they can play the more technical and complex keys and rhythm while other bands just play straight forward and steady rhythm and keys.
For so many years people keep misunderstanding and abusing from the term. Sound engineer. In fact. It's sound technician . The real sound engineer create the electronics parts. thats It's in fact an electronic engineer who know about acoustic maths etc. Some dudes moving knots and downloading apps to record a guitar and claims to be sound engineer. It's like say that a DJ is a trained musician.
It's a science to do the mixing and an lot of a knowledge And deserve all my respect.
Love the Dream Theater ripoff you made, it's like if Yes made a song from a 3D Sonic.
Your song was "very Falling into Infinity" 😀 Great video, I really enjoyed it.
Same thing with alternating upbeats and downbeats is happening in Leprous - Mirage. Would be cool to see some Leprous' songs taken apart!
Can you please do something simillar to Pink Floyd's Echoes? This song has a total different feel from any other song I ever heard
Actually not what John Myung did in the 2nd half. He kevin moore switched what they were doing and myung was taping it
holy crap I didnt know you can use polyrhythms, i've been doing this all along, and because of it i've been trying to train myself not to do that
Can you please do another dream theater video! Maybe something a little more modern? This sounds awesome though, I love it!
Right, I'll watch itba few more thousand times and get it lol love your stuff dude!
The best way to uncomplicate music and incorporate ideas in your own is to kidnap actual band members from other bands and force them to drink redbull.
Its a great concept to reverse engeneer songs.
The rhythm of your speech reminds me of Barack Obama. Great content too!!!
How would you describe the estructures of the songs? I mean, Are these songs raphsodys?
This is disgusting to play. For me at least. My ears want to punch in the face beacuse im playing polirythm
Each instrument is like "Fuck you I'm not playing along!"
Grow a beard, grow out your hair, get fat: BOOM, you're John Petrucci
Reverse engineer Dream Theater, shuffle it, add your own flavor and you get Rush.
Plz reverse periphery
but will you ever breakdown the real prog known as "symphony x"?
More progressive!!
are you related to applegreen? the lieberia guy who helped the liberian man? coz your face and the way you speak is quite the same i think.
The entire A Dramatic Turn of Events album was DT “reverse engineering” Images and Words
ERIC & CINDY Crowder lul
adding those 3rds on the first half of the "rip off" made it soun more satrianish than DTish... cool and tasty food for thought... and listening
That part of the song sounds almost exactly like Floods by Pantera
Reverse engineering is a great way to build up a better foundation and understanding of theory and practical approaches. This was a great video and thank you for putting in the time to make it. Now time to reverse engineer some Blotted Science
No disrespect, but why does your face look like CGI?
Do cockroach king
Or cockring coach
Very cool! the end result is quite nice (maybe not as good as metropolis tho :P ! )
Oh, the same thing Petrucci did for the first album after Portnoy left.