Yes, I know what mons are good or bad for raids before watching this video, but I just wanted to see what kind of shinanigan people were actually using in r5. It was both educational for less experienced people and funny for people with more experience. Worth watching!
I feel like the reason alot of people bring these monsters is because that's what they have and they're trying to make r5 work when they simply arent ready for it yet...
I mean to be fair to bagel back before the twins existed lots of people, including myself, were using woosa in their gb10. He was the one making my first spd team possible. Think it was somehting like Akhamamir Galleon Bethony Woosa Sigmarus, how things have changed lol
I use a bruiser comp that does a ton of damage: FL: Skogul, Raviti, Colleen, Xiong Fei BL: Mihyang, Kro (Or xiao lin) Skogul does a ton of damage and reduces attack bar. Raviti's shield is soo tthiKKKKK and have him tuned to cleanse before dps units go (he is on vio, put cleansers on vio). Colleen provides constant debuffs and I have her tuned to go before dps units to provide attack buff if rngesus allows after raviti cleanse. Xiong Fei brings a lot but I have him built to be faster than most of the team so he can defence break first, he is built on crit damage and is around 200spd. Mihyang is the faster of my cleansers, its easier to get more hits when you can spread your cleanses with two mons (one fast, one slow: though most don't opt for a two cleanse team) Kro or Xiao Lin: Kro I find actually provides some cycling with his kit and more debuffs than Xiao... so I think with 2a he is a clear winner... but it really doesnt matter, dps is dps.
Jewbagle... I enjoyed this video so much because I'm early game and selecting my raid mons is the height of my interest. I tried 2 teams in R1 tonight. My: FL: Fire Panda, Fedora, Skogul, Kona (BL) Hwa, Colleen. 2nd team: My GB10: Vero, Bella, Lushen, Hraesvelg, Sig... plus a Woosa I was lucky enough to pull. Team 1 performed well. Was never the flaw... yet could never really carry R1. ( Oh it will... we know.) Team 2: It already has my best runes... hits like a truck, tanks like a noob boss, and carries R2 It's why you see these units! It's also why I love this vid, and R3 poops in my hat. But for real newer players 9/10 play on results. If advice is time consuming to develop.
Sometimes I wonder if people forget - that new players - working their way through the missions - will end up pushing through the raid levels trying to get the rewards... they dont know whats good till they've tried - and stating 'these are good instead' is only useful to them IF they have them... I was playing around on did that and ended up clearing r1-4 with some monsters that have no business in raids and only 2 of them 6 stars - if i was new though, I wouldnt have a clue. Rina's contribution (if she doesnt die) is to prevent the backline receiving damage - is they're dead because thats the tankiest unit he has - then she's a sound choice. Endgame players have choice pick raid teams. progressing players can be working towards them, but have to make do in the meantime.
They should be doing research before they enter raids. It is very possible to make F2P consistent r5 teams. Getting a few new monsters with rewards doesn't mattee if your runes are shit.
Hey JewBagel! Been watching your videos for years and you’re such a great figure to have in the community! It bugs me to hear that you think that individuals aren’t listening when you provide them with knowledgeable information that can be used to improve their own game :/. You aren’t talking to a rock I promise! People really hear you ☺️. You don’t have to be nice all the time. Be stern! Information in this game is so valuable. Lacking that information can be the difference between you loving the game or hating it and moving on to something new. I know it took me some time lol. But yeah ☺️ long story short.... Be more assertive when providing information and have a higher exception for those viewing your content. Some people listen to learn. Others just want attention 😂. Weed them trolls out! And keep doing what you’re doing. We love you ❤️💯
Unless I am wrong, he has been talking about R5 raid. he is just stressing that some unit does not make sense in R5. it is like bringing a flower monster to R5, you can but it does not make much sense. Its like bringing ramagod to b10, fun but not efficient. Also, important to noob to know what monster to build if they plan to go Raid or R5. Imagine building rina and chow and find it is not efficient for Raid R5...... TIme to rebuild more 6 Star.
It's hilarious how he's dying inside while explaining cause he doesn't want to offend people who use these monsters lmao such a nice guy, ur one of the best buddy and everything u say is a free lesson for us, if people don't wanna take ur advises it's their loss
I came back just to mention how on Briand he mentions don't let your team get to the point of dying and now the meta for R5 is BJR5 where the whole point it to make sure units die. It is funny how things can shift over time time. But great video for people who cant make BJR5.
I could see pung used in an early GB 10 team if pulled early. S2 blocks beneficial effects, great for the boss. S3 could be used on the waves leading up to the boss, just need a galleon for it to work. Haha but better stuff to use that could safer for an early team for that floor
Great video about a tough spot. I see people that like to use the best runed mons that make no sense with skills. Good breakdown of units to use at the end.
Dryad. Water version is not horrible. But she must have all skills finished and requires another healer. But she is okay for boss. And i never maked the wind gumi because im lazy and do not want to skill her up so i use the wind archer who is not terrible either. She needs excellent runes though which is a problem.
Thank you! Getting to that stage now on the game and have been looking for units to put in. A lot of which I haven't built but guess it's something to do for the next year . .. .
The boss strips all buffs and heals by the amount that he strips. Colleen is better. Bigger heal, attack buff up all the time, and also brings a heal block
@@RiftyLuca 1 unit cleance dont do a thing, if u rly need more heals just bring bella,... actualy i used Ariel just to keep my team alive, and still second team need chasun to survive,...
This video actually made me laugh thanks bro keep up the great work, but I have a complaint what's up with all them ADs... 5 ads bro in your video that's crazy felt like this 23 min went for almost an hour -.-
Welp...now to just take a break from rifts and gather rift mons. Because I admit I used cami and Vero so much...Due to shelving xeong Fei for later to rune and because I have way too many monster to work on runes but this video has enlightened me a bit. I'll work on my raid team
I’m not going to lie, I use Ariel on my second team as a tank and primary healer since I have Colleen on my main team. He may not be that effective, but he works and he keeps my team alive. (I’m not going to build a second Colleen for raids lol)
I'm surprised I didn't see conrad in this list for guys you should bring. He has an 820% multiplier for his third skill. Put him on rage and blade and he could do a number on enemies on rift. Wind anubis is also good. His revival skill allows him to just increase his attack by 100% when coming back so if it stacks he could have about 4K attack when it is maxed out. I use wind anubis on vampire runes.
I’m guessing they use these weird picks because 1) they have their best runes. Like the pungbaek you used for the first example, it probably has his best runes and is his highest damage unit. 2) they don’t have anything better built/runed up. Take Rina for example not many people new people now will 6* a Darion and skougal is dependent on pulling him and ask YD how hard it was to get him. 3) they aren’t strong enough to be there so they do what they can and depend on others to carry them. That’s why woosa would be there. Woosa has shield, heal, is tanky, and immunity. 4) they have no idea what their doing, get carried so doesn’t really matter
and this is exactly the issue. you don't just go matching public r5 parties when you're not ready and expect to be carried. that's for private rooms where your friends/guildies are willing to carry you. there's a reason there are multiple raid levels; they're there to cater to people who don't have the optimal units/stats for higher levels of raids.
So what you think about Bastet? Solid Front Line...Def Leader Skill...Sustain with Shield...Atk Break + Def Break + Glancing + Heal Break Debuffs....yeah she doesnt really do some dmg, but isn't she actually usefull for front line? Here my Team: FL: Bastet, Chasun BL: Xiao Lin, Delphoi, Hwa, Colleen Is solid, but I guess to much heal? Any suggestions? Got every nat4 except Diaz....and got a build Lui Mei...but kinda don't know where to use her or if I should use her. + Brandia available as well...but no other strong nat5
I'm afraid to go passed r2... mostly because I haven't yet 6 starred any of my raid units, but also because I don't feel like I have the "optimal" comp. This video helps a little bit, but I still don't feel confident in my choices. The big one that gets me is you've said that any KFG will work... and yet I've read any KFG but water is trash for raids. I'm lucky enough to have water on my alt, but I only have fire and (access to when fused) wind on my main. Either of those better than Su or Ran for dps?
Oh yeah Atenia also a support unit that attack breaks and heal blocks. Heals on 3rd skill but also additional heal with heal block. Would have better stats than colleen too but yeah doesn't have the attack buff colleen provides. & Colleen likely lands the buffs more.
"Dias", lol You're still fkn Awesome dude! Ever thought of a kitkat, pooping strawberries? The FLAVOR!!!!!! (okay no more drinking for this guy) But serious note...... verde in Raid? I see this all the time..... Yay or Nay?
Boss brings Oblivion -> Verde becomes useless. Also, he brings 0 debuffs to the table and doesn't do that much damage usually. He is bad, don't bring him. Only passive-reliant monsters you want in raids are Darion and Dias.
Here’s the thing though, I do use woosa in r5 frontline, but I have reasoning. F: woosa - skogul - mei hou B. Colleen - anavel - xaio lyn/hwa ^ team does a lot of damage 1. (The big one) He replaces darion, shields block enough 2. Don’t have a Bastet for alternative shields 3. While rageful roar does strip, his 3 turn immunity does help more than raviti.
Only thing I'd like to add is you really should have talked more about leader skills throughout this. You brought it up a little bit but it wasn't written on screen anywhere and it was only really brought up in bits and pieces with specific monsters. Leader skills are important enough for making beginner R5 teams that they deserve some focus in the video. A lot of the monsters you brought up as bad R5 options have some relevant leader skills and that's likely why people are bringing them. So in their replacement section should be options for better monsters with similar or better leader skills IMO. *For CR* Whoever was using Pung probably wanted a CR lead. That could be replaced by Hwa or Theomars while also getting more DPS and a relevant debuff. *Resistance* is the most restrictive leader skill but if you don't have Dias then Tesarion is by far the best option. Briand is probably the next best after Tesa but even then you're likely better off running Tesa as a DD and Darion/XF on the frotnline than you would be with Briand frontline and a different DD. Veromos and Verad are likely there for HP lead but I don't think you mention that *Defense* lead is generally better because the boss doesn't def break and the his frontline only attack hits harder if your monsters have lower def. Also there are a *lot* of good defense leaders out there with Xiong Fei and Bastet being great frontline debuffers, Riviti and Fedora being usable cleansers, and Skogul being a good frontline DD.
What do You think about vampire/def Ragdoll as frontline? hits not bad when on low HP, thus self heals and also if only is not oblivioned speeds up the team significantly.
Yo bagel just wanted to ask for a first team what combination of roles do u need in ur team like 1 dps is enough or do i need 2 maybe 1 cleanser or 2 I tried bastet skogul bella front (over 25khp and 1.2 def each) and brandia mihyang lisa back and it isn't there yet but also the two cleansers are not skilled up so it explains a bit why it's not working
it's nice to see that all the monster i planned to use in raid are in the recommanded list (dias 2a bella collen lisa xiao lin brandia) however, i might just switch brandia for hwa for more atb reduction and more consistance in the slow and a lead skill it's ridiculus how my only aviable lead is res x)
Soha is an amazing Cleanser for 3rd skill can be a sheild tank on the front line. Freeze doesn't work but can still do big damage. 2nd Awakened wind Pixie is Glancing slow buffs and atb reduction I feel she is under valued. It's about value monsters with good runes. Having mons that don't "help" actually hurts you
Y u no mention Akhamamir for raid over Pungbaek and Lushen?? That spd scaling can get some insane damage on his s1, and his S3 on a rage build is so nice. Maybe outshined by 2A Kro now, but still not a bad.option for those without a 2A Kro.
what about Feng on front row? Gret defence, retaliation, armour break and team heal...Abigail on dps...got some nice armour break as well as atack gage reduction on 2 attacks with multiple hits...Arang has huge nuke with multiple debuffs and sustain with shield.
I once raided with a person who brought mo long in front. Asked and said that he saw the fire and wind one used as front but he didnt have em so used water instead. XD
@6:30 His name is "Dias", with a "s", not "Diaz". @11:00 A lot of players new to Raid and whatnot aren't aware that damage based on the boss's max HP doesn't work, so a lot of them are probably choosing Camilla as a hybrid tank-DPS.
Hum... I was planning to use this team... Front : Delphoi; Darion, Briand // Back : Mihyand, Lisa, Colleen ... So should I remove Briand ? (Res lead, Anti heal, break att,revive) and what should I put instead then ? Of course, I don't have Dias
I raided R3 with a guy who used Woosa. We died twice and the third time I hit up the raid chat and said don't pick Woosa. Guy said, "I know what I need him for." To which I responded, "The boss will keep healing and we are gunna keep dying because it gets a permanent atk buff." Guy didn't listen. We only won that battle because I had to use a meme team with the twins.
I'm gonna be real here for a sec, I THOUGHT that "HP Proportionate damage" was talking about monsters like Warbear, Beast Monk, or others of that same kind
When I bring Woosa, he's not on my team to immunity/cleanse although the immunity is nice if the debuff attack does cut in. He's there for double buffs + shield to get +3 on Baleygr. But then again, I rarely run R5 in pubs any more as my one of my alts is fine enough to take the 3rd slot.
The vero part hurts me. None of the monsters that cleanse have good enough runes to survive r3. My vero is the only cleanser that can survive. But if you’re able to do r5 and you’re still using vero for cleanse...that’s an issue lol.
ariel isnt terrible for cleanse and heal but i do understand for no debuffs and not much damage. Except konamiya not only is less tanky but heals less s 3 cleanse is similar cooldown and while resurge is useful ariel cleanse s3 also increases all atk bar by 20% and the bonus after heals which can stack with fire panda. I mean harder to skill up though definitely. But not that bad to tank and or cleanse. I commonly see 4 support units and two dps units. Ariel works well id say and then diaz fire panda and colleen then something like xiao lin isnt terrible along with argen or brandia if you have her, or twins are ok, spectra kind of, for 2a and definitely 2a kro is very good. Theres options depending on what you have. but as i have mentioned ariel isnt that bad though the extra heals is kinda bad when the boss takes them. I did forget about delphoi who is also good though id feel ariel would be better but maybe not. and then i did forget about loren all those debuffs she brings and ok dmg.
How do you feel about Felleria (Light Dryad)? Cleanse that transfers debuffs to the boss, passive that shields or heals the entire team each turn, ATB reduction.
I use her, darion and XF anavel frontline, works like a charm and i feel like she reduced the rune requirements for R5 for me, love her and she is not even skilled up yet, just 1 skill up in skill 3
The boss’ main damaging skill ignores buffs except endure. He also strips and increases his attack for every buff he stole. You’re just feeding him stacks
@@Hyperdisk that's not what I said. Giving these units spd and hp brings more sustentability to the damage output bc they will attack more often and less lokely to die. I gave my Lyn, my Lushen runes, and the result is 5-7k difference in damage. No big difference when she does 600k dmg to the water boss on spd cd hp.
@@NicoSic1990 If you bring other mons and have meh spd stats/hp stats in the subs you don't need to take as many turns because you do more dmg. Between my sig and lyn i two shot the water boss using Atk/CD/Atk. Based off your original comment though it seemed like you were thinking their attacks scaled off their own max hp.
so i dont use woosa, but i do use velajuel. good front line tank, immunity and cleanse, plus his second skill does good damage if it crits. only on woosa part so idk if you mentioned him but figured i would anyway.
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The Raid Boss cant sleep? Must be a hard time for him...
That's why he's so angry
He also doesnt get frozen, so he wouldnt make a good icecream
He also doesn’t get stunned so... idk
That would explain everything.
.............. Alright so 8:13
Let's take some time to talk about the person who brought leo into raids
I wanted to raise this. Literaly just making it worse for all players since he limits everybody except the boss
especially with stella who needs the speed for her S3..
"But man its only 6* i summoned of course ill take into raid for everyone to see"
I feel this was an April fools joke.
Yes, I know what mons are good or bad for raids before watching this video, but I just wanted to see what kind of shinanigan people were actually using in r5.
It was both educational for less experienced people and funny for people with more experience. Worth watching!
I feel like the reason alot of people bring these monsters is because that's what they have and they're trying to make r5 work when they simply arent ready for it yet...
exactlyyy
Rina
Why: ....
Better picks: xiong fei
Player: But bagel, i have xiong fei there with rina, more heals 😂
"this is not giant B10" bold of you to assume anyone had woosa for their first gb10 clear
I mean to be fair to bagel back before the twins existed lots of people, including myself, were using woosa in their gb10. He was the one making my first spd team possible. Think it was somehting like Akhamamir Galleon Bethony Woosa Sigmarus, how things have changed lol
I pulled him the day after first gb10 clear xD
I use him for gb10 and raids lol
I used him in my first gb10 clear
It's incredible how little R5 changed and how relevant this video is after 2 years of existence
11:28 Didn't know Darion was supposed to be in the backline. Now it all makes sense to me.
I use a bruiser comp that does a ton of damage: FL: Skogul, Raviti, Colleen, Xiong Fei BL: Mihyang, Kro (Or xiao lin)
Skogul does a ton of damage and reduces attack bar.
Raviti's shield is soo tthiKKKKK and have him tuned to cleanse before dps units go (he is on vio, put cleansers on vio).
Colleen provides constant debuffs and I have her tuned to go before dps units to provide attack buff if rngesus allows after raviti cleanse.
Xiong Fei brings a lot but I have him built to be faster than most of the team so he can defence break first, he is built on crit damage and is around 200spd.
Mihyang is the faster of my cleansers, its easier to get more hits when you can spread your cleanses with two mons (one fast, one slow: though most don't opt for a two cleanse team)
Kro or Xiao Lin: Kro I find actually provides some cycling with his kit and more debuffs than Xiao... so I think with 2a he is a clear winner... but it really doesnt matter, dps is dps.
Jewbagle... I enjoyed this video so much because I'm early game and selecting my raid mons is the height of my interest.
I tried 2 teams in R1 tonight.
My: FL: Fire Panda, Fedora, Skogul, Kona (BL) Hwa, Colleen.
2nd team: My GB10: Vero, Bella, Lushen, Hraesvelg, Sig... plus a Woosa I was lucky enough to pull.
Team 1 performed well. Was never the flaw... yet could never really carry R1. ( Oh it will... we know.)
Team 2: It already has my best runes... hits like a truck, tanks like a noob boss, and carries R2
It's why you see these units! It's also why I love this vid, and R3 poops in my hat.
But for real newer players 9/10 play on results. If advice is time consuming to develop.
You do have to remember how many new players werent around /didnt get the diaz HoH, i hate that im likely gonna be stuck with darion
I thought darion was better cuz armor break on s1?
I use darion in r5 to works really good
Who's diaz? i looked it up and i only get results for dias the dark death knight
@@hekirb3382 That's the correct spelling (Dias, not Diaz. Silly Bagel)
I like Darion actually more on paper because his damage reduction is better.
I feel like Delphoi deserves an honorable mention for a good cleanser
James Seyed-Ashraf she was on his list......
Sometimes I wonder if people forget - that new players - working their way through the missions - will end up pushing through the raid levels trying to get the rewards... they dont know whats good till they've tried - and stating 'these are good instead' is only useful to them IF they have them... I was playing around on did that and ended up clearing r1-4 with some monsters that have no business in raids and only 2 of them 6 stars - if i was new though, I wouldnt have a clue. Rina's contribution (if she doesnt die) is to prevent the backline receiving damage - is they're dead because thats the tankiest unit he has - then she's a sound choice.
Endgame players have choice pick raid teams. progressing players can be working towards them, but have to make do in the meantime.
They should be doing research before they enter raids. It is very possible to make F2P consistent r5 teams. Getting a few new monsters with rewards doesn't mattee if your runes are shit.
these r5 and rta vids are so helpful! thx bagel!! keep up the quality content~~
I’ve seen
Veromos galleon lushen pung
I mean what the hell
Hey JewBagel! Been watching your videos for years and you’re such a great figure to have in the community! It bugs me to hear that you think that individuals aren’t listening when you provide them with knowledgeable information that can be used to improve their own game :/. You aren’t talking to a rock I promise! People really hear you ☺️. You don’t have to be nice all the time. Be stern! Information in this game is so valuable. Lacking that information can be the difference between you loving the game or hating it and moving on to something new. I know it took me some time lol. But yeah ☺️ long story short.... Be more assertive when providing information and have a higher exception for those viewing your content. Some people listen to learn. Others just want attention 😂. Weed them trolls out! And keep doing what you’re doing. We love you ❤️💯
Unless I am wrong, he has been talking about R5 raid. he is just stressing that some unit does not make sense in R5. it is like bringing a flower monster to R5, you can but it does not make much sense. Its like bringing ramagod to b10, fun but not efficient. Also, important to noob to know what monster to build if they plan to go Raid or R5. Imagine building rina and chow and find it is not efficient for Raid R5...... TIme to rebuild more 6 Star.
Yeah the topic is so good bagel thanks for the video already before watching.
It's hilarious how he's dying inside while explaining cause he doesn't want to offend people who use these monsters lmao such a nice guy, ur one of the best buddy and everything u say is a free lesson for us, if people don't wanna take ur advises it's their loss
Rina, Camilla, Ramagos, Verad, Zeratu, and Chow.
God tier team
Rama can tank and do dmg similarly to skogul and people use skogul
I came back just to mention how on Briand he mentions don't let your team get to the point of dying and now the meta for R5 is BJR5 where the whole point it to make sure units die. It is funny how things can shift over time time. But great video for people who cant make BJR5.
Omg you were right my first thought was "who the fk brought pung!?" I love my pung but he is not raid or even dungeon material
I could see pung used in an early GB 10 team if pulled early. S2 blocks beneficial effects, great for the boss. S3 could be used on the waves leading up to the boss, just need a galleon for it to work. Haha but better stuff to use that could safer for an early team for that floor
He’s good for gb10 speed clears
I keep pung in storage where he is great
@@jordanmarco7137 except its not good for giant theres like million better units 😂
“Not dungeon material” this aged like milk lol
Great video about a tough spot. I see people that like to use the best runed mons that make no sense with skills. Good breakdown of units to use at the end.
Dryad. Water version is not horrible. But she must have all skills finished and requires another healer. But she is okay for boss. And i never maked the wind gumi because im lazy and do not want to skill her up so i use the wind archer who is not terrible either. She needs excellent runes though which is a problem.
Thank you! Getting to that stage now on the game and have been looking for units to put in. A lot of which I haven't built but guess it's something to do for the next year . .. .
Have you considered adding monster thumbnails on your slides, such as the one at 18:15 ?
I like this kind of educational video very much, not sure if I missed them but if you could make more like these for other areas would be nice.
I think the cleanser that you forgot about and accidentally put Kona twice for was Delphoi.
Fire Undine is like another Colleen but has a smart heal and S2 is heal block plus heal for one ally. Easy to put front line with nat4 stats
What is with Fran? 2 Heals, one cleanse, one debuff, atk bar reduce
The boss strips all buffs and heals by the amount that he strips. Colleen is better. Bigger heal, attack buff up all the time, and also brings a heal block
@@RiftyLuca 1 unit cleance dont do a thing, if u rly need more heals just bring bella,... actualy i used Ariel just to keep my team alive, and still second team need chasun to survive,...
This video actually made me laugh thanks bro keep up the great work, but I have a complaint what's up with all them ADs... 5 ads bro in your video that's crazy felt like this 23 min went for almost an hour -.-
I got no ads lol
Welp...now to just take a break from rifts and gather rift mons. Because I admit I used cami and Vero so much...Due to shelving xeong Fei for later to rune and because I have way too many monster to work on runes but this video has enlightened me a bit. I'll work on my raid team
Wow this is so helpful!!
Thank you Jewpapa
You're the best!
I hope people watch this and make better r5 teams....public r5 gets real weird;-) thanks. Great video!
oh my god i have been waiting for this video!!!
You leave my Woosa alone. That boy was MVP back in the day for me. XDDD
And the light dryad is a FANTASTIC cleanser becuase her passive lets her act like an aoe khmun
I’m not going to lie, I use Ariel on my second team as a tank and primary healer since I have Colleen on my main team. He may not be that effective, but he works and he keeps my team alive. (I’m not going to build a second Colleen for raids lol)
yup for surviving purpose, Ariel is really good.
i use both ariel and colleen, or else my team start falling after 3rd jump
I'm surprised I didn't see conrad in this list for guys you should bring. He has an 820% multiplier for his third skill. Put him on rage and blade and he could do a number on enemies on rift. Wind anubis is also good. His revival skill allows him to just increase his attack by 100% when coming back so if it stacks he could have about 4K attack when it is maxed out. I use wind anubis on vampire runes.
I just pulled Amelia (Water Unicorn) -- Should I make her my new Cleanser?
Good question. I have also Lisa. Amelia > Lisa?
Tyvm bagel! I have been struggling with making an r5 team for so long. I have been having some trouble determining which mons are best for ot
I’m guessing they use these weird picks because
1) they have their best runes. Like the pungbaek you used for the first example, it probably has his best runes and is his highest damage unit.
2) they don’t have anything better built/runed up. Take Rina for example not many people new people now will 6* a Darion and skougal is dependent on pulling him and ask YD how hard it was to get him.
3) they aren’t strong enough to be there so they do what they can and depend on others to carry them. That’s why woosa would be there. Woosa has shield, heal, is tanky, and immunity.
4) they have no idea what their doing, get carried so doesn’t really matter
and this is exactly the issue. you don't just go matching public r5 parties when you're not ready and expect to be carried. that's for private rooms where your friends/guildies are willing to carry you. there's a reason there are multiple raid levels; they're there to cater to people who don't have the optimal units/stats for higher levels of raids.
So what you think about Bastet? Solid Front Line...Def Leader Skill...Sustain with Shield...Atk Break + Def Break + Glancing + Heal Break Debuffs....yeah she doesnt really do some dmg, but isn't she actually usefull for front line? Here my Team:
FL: Bastet, Chasun
BL: Xiao Lin, Delphoi, Hwa, Colleen
Is solid, but I guess to much heal? Any suggestions? Got every nat4 except Diaz....and got a build Lui Mei...but kinda don't know where to use her or if I should use her. + Brandia available as well...but no other strong nat5
I'm afraid to go passed r2... mostly because I haven't yet 6 starred any of my raid units, but also because I don't feel like I have the "optimal" comp. This video helps a little bit, but I still don't feel confident in my choices. The big one that gets me is you've said that any KFG will work... and yet I've read any KFG but water is trash for raids. I'm lucky enough to have water on my alt, but I only have fire and (access to when fused) wind on my main. Either of those better than Su or Ran for dps?
Ran also gives a very much needed atb reduction on s3. I'd say to stick with her for now. Or farm a Loren (light cowgirl)
9:36 delphoi is also very good because she grants immunity and she cleanses :) plus she has debuff and can tank.
Did you do R1? This looks like ppl are just doing the raid daily with literally the only 6 units they have built
I see stuff like this all the time in R4/R5. Com2us removed the requirement of needing 30% contribution to move on
Oh yeah Atenia also a support unit that attack breaks and heal blocks. Heals on 3rd skill but also additional heal with heal block. Would have better stats than colleen too but yeah doesn't have the attack buff colleen provides.
& Colleen likely lands the buffs more.
Thanks for this video! I found it really helpful
"Dias", lol You're still fkn Awesome dude! Ever thought of a kitkat, pooping strawberries? The FLAVOR!!!!!! (okay no more drinking for this guy) But serious note...... verde in Raid? I see this all the time..... Yay or Nay?
Boss brings Oblivion -> Verde becomes useless.
Also, he brings 0 debuffs to the table and doesn't do that much damage usually.
He is bad, don't bring him. Only passive-reliant monsters you want in raids are Darion and Dias.
I'm not quite up to R5 but I want to say that people underestimate Colleen as she is the best 2* monster!
Awesome video, thanks man this is so helpful.
JEW!!! You forgot delphoi in the cleanse part :)
Here’s the thing though, I do use woosa in r5 frontline, but I have reasoning.
F: woosa - skogul - mei hou
B. Colleen - anavel - xaio lyn/hwa
^ team does a lot of damage
1. (The big one) He replaces darion, shields block enough
2. Don’t have a Bastet for alternative shields
3. While rageful roar does strip, his 3 turn immunity does help more than raviti.
@Shadoww Nemesis01 you a bit late
@Shadoww Nemesis01 also, never seen anyone kicked for woosa and you cant be kicked when you double slot lead :/
@Shadoww Nemesis01 party leader*
@Shadoww Nemesis01 also, that was when I was new to r5 and didnt do bjr5
@Shadoww Nemesis01 welp, in all the time I still did double slot I can assure you most people honestly didnt give a damn about woosa... just sayin
Only thing I'd like to add is you really should have talked more about leader skills throughout this. You brought it up a little bit but it wasn't written on screen anywhere and it was only really brought up in bits and pieces with specific monsters. Leader skills are important enough for making beginner R5 teams that they deserve some focus in the video. A lot of the monsters you brought up as bad R5 options have some relevant leader skills and that's likely why people are bringing them. So in their replacement section should be options for better monsters with similar or better leader skills IMO.
*For CR* Whoever was using Pung probably wanted a CR lead. That could be replaced by Hwa or Theomars while also getting more DPS and a relevant debuff. *Resistance* is the most restrictive leader skill but if you don't have Dias then Tesarion is by far the best option. Briand is probably the next best after Tesa but even then you're likely better off running Tesa as a DD and Darion/XF on the frotnline than you would be with Briand frontline and a different DD. Veromos and Verad are likely there for HP lead but I don't think you mention that *Defense* lead is generally better because the boss doesn't def break and the his frontline only attack hits harder if your monsters have lower def. Also there are a *lot* of good defense leaders out there with Xiong Fei and Bastet being great frontline debuffers, Riviti and Fedora being usable cleansers, and Skogul being a good frontline DD.
Dude ty for this video. I loved it
What do You think about vampire/def Ragdoll as frontline? hits not bad when on low HP, thus self heals and also if only is not oblivioned speeds up the team significantly.
Yo bagel just wanted to ask for a first team what combination of roles do u need in ur team like 1 dps is enough or do i need 2 maybe 1 cleanser or 2
I tried bastet skogul bella front (over 25khp and 1.2 def each) and brandia mihyang lisa back and it isn't there yet but also the two cleansers are not skilled up so it explains a bit why it's not working
it's nice to see that all the monster i planned to use in raid are in the recommanded list (dias 2a bella collen lisa xiao lin brandia)
however, i might just switch brandia for hwa for more atb reduction and more consistance in the slow
and a lead skill
it's ridiculus how my only aviable lead is res x)
"Watching Video to feel personally Attacked" Jk. Good topic because there always something to learn about this game.
Soha is an amazing Cleanser for 3rd skill can be a sheild tank on the front line. Freeze doesn't work but can still do big damage. 2nd Awakened wind Pixie is Glancing slow buffs and atb reduction I feel she is under valued. It's about value monsters with good runes. Having mons that don't "help" actually hurts you
Probably gonna regret this, but what do you think of chasun as a healer... chandra probably out of the picture lol... bernard of any use?
Don’t forget Delphoi op r5 cleanser/healer/tank!
This needs to be a PSA on every page SW related.
What burns me is people that have been playing for 2+ years doing crazy stuff like this
Can we get one of these for guild defense or just more guild content in general because I can never find any.
Y u no mention Akhamamir for raid over Pungbaek and Lushen?? That spd scaling can get some insane damage on his s1, and his S3 on a rage build is so nice. Maybe outshined by 2A Kro now, but still not a bad.option for those without a 2A Kro.
what about Feng on front row? Gret defence, retaliation, armour break and team heal...Abigail on dps...got some nice armour break as well as atack gage reduction on 2 attacks with multiple hits...Arang has huge nuke with multiple debuffs and sustain with shield.
Good stuff. Thanks Bagel.
I once raided with a person who brought mo long in front. Asked and said that he saw the fire and wind one used as front but he didnt have em so used water instead. XD
Ima be honest... 4:00 that might of been me. My raid team when I was like 10 months in had lushen next to Benard
I use: Hwa, Chloe, water horus, seara, water sky dancer, light penguin (for his cleanse and defense break)..
@6:30 His name is "Dias", with a "s", not "Diaz".
@11:00 A lot of players new to Raid and whatnot aren't aware that damage based on the boss's max HP doesn't work, so a lot of them are probably choosing Camilla as a hybrid tank-DPS.
Great. So get aware. There's no shortage of guides out there. One should understand basic mechanics before wasting other peoples' energy.
@@spidafly537 Bruh, I wasn't making excuses for those people. I know all that. I'm just offering a possible explanation.
Diaz, the Fark Feath Knighf
Hum... I was planning to use this team... Front : Delphoi; Darion, Briand // Back : Mihyand, Lisa, Colleen ... So should I remove Briand ? (Res lead, Anti heal, break att,revive) and what should I put instead then ? Of course, I don't have Dias
I raided R3 with a guy who used Woosa. We died twice and the third time I hit up the raid chat and said don't pick Woosa. Guy said, "I know what I need him for." To which I responded, "The boss will keep healing and we are gunna keep dying because it gets a permanent atk buff." Guy didn't listen. We only won that battle because I had to use a meme team with the twins.
Amarna is good for cleanse as well as defense down and branding debuffs.
I'm gonna be real here for a sec, I THOUGHT that "HP Proportionate damage" was talking about monsters like Warbear, Beast Monk, or others of that same kind
Bagel kun are u gonna make a vid on dagora 2a ?:3
Wing Sylphid's shield is awesome it absorbs everything except the crush of doom
"Damage based on enemy debuffs" AKHAMAMIR!!!!
Unfortunately, Akhamamir's 3rd skill is AoE, which considerably lowers its damage potential.
UraBless yeah i know, im just kidding hahahahaha akhamamir is useless :(
Thnx bagel this was a big help
Front: Xiong fei + Nyx
Back: Delphoi + Chasun + Kro 2A + Mihyang
I use skogull in R5 alot, is it me or the Ai doesn’t do second skill even when it is up more often?!🙂
Does Fran make Sense as a healer instead of colleen? If you run loren for the heal block?
Kona so good. Double honorable mentions
If vero wasnt a fusion everyone would say he's god tier
When I bring Woosa, he's not on my team to immunity/cleanse although the immunity is nice if the debuff attack does cut in. He's there for double buffs + shield to get +3 on Baleygr.
But then again, I rarely run R5 in pubs any more as my one of my alts is fine enough to take the 3rd slot.
The vero part hurts me. None of the monsters that cleanse have good enough runes to survive r3. My vero is the only cleanser that can survive. But if you’re able to do r5 and you’re still using vero for cleanse...that’s an issue lol.
Wb Louise (wind Paladin) as a frontliner? She’s tanky, provides great heal and reduces atb pretty nicely. Second skill tho...
ariel isnt terrible for cleanse and heal but i do understand for no debuffs and not much damage. Except konamiya not only is less tanky but heals less s 3 cleanse is similar cooldown and while resurge is useful ariel cleanse s3 also increases all atk bar by 20% and the bonus after heals which can stack with fire panda. I mean harder to skill up though definitely. But not that bad to tank and or cleanse. I commonly see 4 support units and two dps units. Ariel works well id say and then diaz fire panda and colleen then something like xiao lin isnt terrible along with argen or brandia if you have her, or twins are ok, spectra kind of, for 2a and definitely 2a kro is very good. Theres options depending on what you have. but as i have mentioned ariel isnt that bad though the extra heals is kinda bad when the boss takes them. I did forget about delphoi who is also good though id feel ariel would be better but maybe not. and then i did forget about loren all those debuffs she brings and ok dmg.
Remember: this video has been made 2 years ago, when Ariel couldn't cleanse
How do you feel about Felleria (Light Dryad)? Cleanse that transfers debuffs to the boss, passive that shields or heals the entire team each turn, ATB reduction.
I use her, darion and XF anavel frontline, works like a charm and i feel like she reduced the rune requirements for R5 for me, love her and she is not even skilled up yet, just 1 skill up in skill 3
i use Felleria in my r5 team and absolutely love her. The shield or extra heal help with the survivability. In my eyes one of the better cleansers
I also use light homie (keep the shield, dont get last skill) and vella for lense. the lh shield is really nice and the atr and other stuff is nice.
The boss’ main damaging skill ignores buffs except endure. He also strips and increases his attack for every buff he stole. You’re just feeding him stacks
"Downhill battle" lolol
Are you saying Diaz on purpose? Some inside joke I am out of the loop on?
#4 will shock you!!
Hey Bagel, can you make a video on units with Hp scaling damage? I've seen so many Lyns and Sigmarus with ATK/CD/ATK builds it hurts.
Lyn and Sig scale based off enemy max hp. Increasing Lyn and Sigs max hp does not boost their attacks.
@@Hyperdisk that's not what I said. Giving these units spd and hp brings more sustentability to the damage output bc they will attack more often and less lokely to die. I gave my Lyn, my Lushen runes, and the result is 5-7k difference in damage. No big difference when she does 600k dmg to the water boss on spd cd hp.
@@NicoSic1990 If you bring other mons and have meh spd stats/hp stats in the subs you don't need to take as many turns because you do more dmg. Between my sig and lyn i two shot the water boss using Atk/CD/Atk.
Based off your original comment though it seemed like you were thinking their attacks scaled off their own max hp.
I think Naomi (wind martial cat) deserves to be mentioned in this video, since she is waaaay better than Aeilene as a dps raid unit.
you were new once in this game man lol
thanks for all the tips though
Ardella, Stella, Bethony
All other good units. I run two R5 teams and usually if the other person has a good team, I'm always around 1:30.
XIAO LIN XIAO LIN XIAO LIN AND SO ON...
OMG you are so obessed with XIAO LIN ...
She is by far the best R5 dmg dealer so its not rly that wierd
so i dont use woosa, but i do use velajuel. good front line tank, immunity and cleanse, plus his second skill does good damage if it crits. only on woosa part so idk if you mentioned him but figured i would anyway.
He’s good to use