Why Your Vintage Cartier Is Fake and Unsellable.

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  • Опубліковано 8 січ 2023
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    Cartier! How do you wear a Cartier? What are the RULES of a Cartier? Why is Christian obsessed with a small square watch? Well...we touch on that rather extensively. Cartier made so few watches for so long that's it's incredible to find a genuine vintage one...but...even if the case is Cartier, the movement is Cartier, and the dial is Cartier...it could still be very much fake. Why? How? Find out today!
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  • @TheoandHarris
    @TheoandHarris  Рік тому +5

    Skip the waitlist and invest in blue-chip art for the very first time by signing up for Masterworks: masterworks.com/s/theoharris

  • @markreynolds9135
    @markreynolds9135 Рік тому +18

    There is a lot of wiping of noses going on. Coke anyone?

  • @Adskie
    @Adskie Рік тому +30

    Fellas, love the channel. Topic request. You guys often mention in passing about how wild and different the watch industry used to be in the mid 20th century. I would love to hear your take on the history of it.

  • @MDSkai
    @MDSkai Рік тому +8

    You 2 are a nice morning coffee duo. Good start to a Monday

  • @orangehand7929
    @orangehand7929 Рік тому +37

    Not sure if this was purposeful or not, but funny that you discuss Goldberger and the fake Cartier Crash article by Perezcope in the same episode, but don’t discuss his most recent article exposing one of Goldberger’s most famous watches, the Unicorn Daytona, which sold at Phillips for $6million is a Frankenstein put together with incorrect and potentially fake parts.

    • @rajratansingh2399
      @rajratansingh2399 Рік тому +1

      The watch is not fake but, its been restored by Goldberger.. from the screws to the scratches... but not fake..

    • @ethanguiel7699
      @ethanguiel7699 Рік тому +2

      You're in luck, theres a Theo and Harris episode on just that

    • @orangehand7929
      @orangehand7929 Рік тому +1

      @@ethanguiel7699 yup the one that came after this one!

  • @spslayback
    @spslayback Рік тому +7

    Take a drink every time one of them touches their noses.

  • @This_is_me_2024
    @This_is_me_2024 Рік тому +5

    ❄❄Had a big coke binge night?

  • @vnctmrn
    @vnctmrn Рік тому +5

    A LOT of super rare comex and daytonas and all those rare vintage watches you see on instagram are totally frankensteined from real and fake/vietnam parts.

  • @JoeyJiggles
    @JoeyJiggles Рік тому +1

    That Constellation is amazing!

  • @WINDINGCROWNS
    @WINDINGCROWNS Рік тому +1

    @Michael , your "How Bizarre" comment in the OMC (voice) didn't go unnoticed. 😂

  • @kylena7533
    @kylena7533 Рік тому

    The intro was hilarious! HOW DO YA NOT KNOW!?!?!

  • @MrIcanfly1234
    @MrIcanfly1234 Рік тому +23

    legendary goldberger and his fake white gold daytona

    • @MrIcanfly1234
      @MrIcanfly1234 Рік тому +11

      jose (perezscope) mentioned in a podcast that philips or some auction house offered to hire him and when they wouldnt pull the watches he thought were bullsht he left

    • @CartierCrash
      @CartierCrash Рік тому

      Is there any info on this I can find?

    • @MrIcanfly1234
      @MrIcanfly1234 Рік тому +1

      @@CartierCrash www.scottishwatches.co.uk/2023/01/09/scottish-watches-podcast-429-fake-rolex-watches-and-exposing-the-auction-world-with-perezcope/?fbclid=PAAabpGoi8JJbgwoWJ4Q8YNbh-eQc1QxlX_u_iv4DNmZ5IlQR-pWeyIpGbXyk
      He mentions it in this episode

    • @simongoddard8490
      @simongoddard8490 Рік тому +3

      @@CartierCrash check out todays Scottish Watches Podcast (episode 429)

    • @CartierCrash
      @CartierCrash Рік тому

      @@MrIcanfly1234 I just listened whilst at work. That is insane.

  • @YippeeKiYayMrFalcon
    @YippeeKiYayMrFalcon Рік тому +7

    It's because you kept saying "Porsh". If you had said "Porsche" (Porsh-uh) she would've been "OH YES! OF COURSE!"

  • @okfinn1
    @okfinn1 Рік тому +6

    Hey guys, love the videos, wondering if you could do one on how to settle on a watch while looking. I find myself switching between watches too frequently to end up buying one, and feel like this might be relatable for some

    • @peterb.1273
      @peterb.1273 Рік тому +1

      Most relatable comment ever. I have been back and forth for like 2 months and the only reason I haven’t pulled the trigger is because I see so many I like.

    • @bretkindsvatter3574
      @bretkindsvatter3574 Рік тому +1

      Same here Finn

  • @drfranke
    @drfranke Рік тому +6

    STOP PICKING YOUR NOSE!!

  • @mikelboudica5389
    @mikelboudica5389 Рік тому +3

    by minute 3:00 the blond guy has touched his nose around 10 times and the guy with glasses about 3. They messed up by mentioning that in the last episode, now is just impossible not to get annoyed by it.

  • @mannyprieres7150
    @mannyprieres7150 Рік тому +5

    This is so interesting! Funny thing, I've heard that Andy Warhol's art has had similar problems. Back in the day of the Warhol Factory, it was rumored that his assistants would make paintings on the side to giveaway or sell to people back door style. The paintings were screen prints, so it was easy to do. They are coming from the legit source but not authorized by the artist. Anyways love the channel and hope all is well.

    • @MaartenAnna
      @MaartenAnna Рік тому

      Hell even Rembrandt let his students make paintings in his name.

  • @youeverseethesehandsfly5334
    @youeverseethesehandsfly5334 Рік тому +3

    People who's entire body language revolves around the watch on their wrist, cannot be trusted.

  • @Rosay__
    @Rosay__ Рік тому

    Very interesting discussion. Curious to hear your thoughts on Perez and the Unicorn…. Thanks guys!

  • @memonion4515
    @memonion4515 Рік тому +7

    If it's confirmed to be made by a Cartier watchmaker within the Cartier factory who was a friend of another Cartier employee and just sold it off the books then it adds a really cool story to that watch. IMO it makes the watch much more interesting than other crashes that were just commissioned by some rich Cartier clients.

  • @watchcurtisn
    @watchcurtisn Рік тому +1

    That GMT is everything...

  • @Leby69
    @Leby69 Рік тому +3

    The Cartier ghost watches are an interesting bunch

  • @user-fi5fr9us2t
    @user-fi5fr9us2t Рік тому

    Finally an interesting show, no bashing! YEY! Follow this line...

  • @augieonorato2377
    @augieonorato2377 Рік тому

    Blackberry Gingerale, that is a classy choice

  • @evano8312
    @evano8312 Рік тому

    Michael, with your comment about the lugs on the Zenith Chronomaster OG was that the 2018 or 2021 version because there is a lug thickness change 🤨

  • @300IQPUG
    @300IQPUG Рік тому +3

    Christian is whats EVERYTHING wrong with the watch world

  • @zulu6ix290
    @zulu6ix290 Рік тому +1

    Micheal - oh a new scene… better rubs my nose 1000 times

    • @watchingu83
      @watchingu83 Рік тому

      So F’n annoying. Can’t even watch the episode watching him wipe his nose like a coke head the entire 30 minute video. RIDICULOUS

  • @Fitzi9r
    @Fitzi9r Рік тому

    I love this channel. This is quickly becoming my favorite thing to watch on UA-cam.

  • @akinigiri
    @akinigiri Рік тому

    I do not know how the 911 looks like well. What is the diff with a carrera? What is the diff with the cayman? I know there is an SUV like one, cayene. My father had a small one and the suv at some point when I was young but I just never got beyond this point.

  • @dimman77
    @dimman77 Рік тому

    Allegedly Jose did have a background in replica/counterfeit Panerai way back in the day...

  • @gluon8760
    @gluon8760 Рік тому

    Guys , I really like you. You are so funny 😂

  • @dude...are-you-sure
    @dude...are-you-sure Рік тому

    I can understand why Anna don't know what Porsche is. She has absolutely no interest in cars except as a form of transportation. Now if it were watches then it'll be different. Lol

  • @44daggers44
    @44daggers44 Рік тому +5

    Shout out to Anna! How is she doing these days?

    • @44daggers44
      @44daggers44 Рік тому

      Ps the blue john mayer Casio is awesome :)

  • @juanfelipemv
    @juanfelipemv Рік тому +5

    Which one of these clowns is Theo and which one is Harris ?

  • @m.e.p.r
    @m.e.p.r Рік тому

    I see that Michael purchased a Speedmaster Pro over the holidays. I'm guessing the hesolite version

  • @russellis6993
    @russellis6993 Рік тому +1

    Unicorn fake Daytona elephant in the room with Goldberger ...

  • @samstraughan9054
    @samstraughan9054 Рік тому +1

    I'm reminded of fake Vemeer's that were auctioned and sold as authentic for some period of time...Now it is the case that these fakes are themselves collectible, and fetch quite a premium, simply because they were accepted for so long as real...the 'artist' became collectible as the creator of the fakes.

    • @JeanSuki
      @JeanSuki Рік тому +1

      Mind you, the story of Han van Meegeren who painted the fakes is also super interesting. He had too prove in court that he could paint the fakes, because he was charged with selling Vermeers to N*zi Germany.

  • @jthink1984
    @jthink1984 Рік тому +1

    Saw a guy in the gym yesterday wearing a gold Tank Louis on alligator strap. Fuckin legendary.

  • @BonnerRepublik
    @BonnerRepublik Рік тому

    Check out the Scottish Watches podcast with Perezcope that came out today (January 9).

  • @Uprightwatches
    @Uprightwatches Рік тому

    I heard since the vintage market is so valuable that other countries are making vintage watches and I think that’s what’s happening with a lot of them when we say I’ve never seen this type before or so many flaws I think they’re making fake ones over seas especially very expensive ones but of course it’s not gonna turn out right

    • @omar10213245
      @omar10213245 Рік тому

      i have a vintage Calatrava made by the government of Mozambique. It's godawful.

  • @imjulesgabriel
    @imjulesgabriel Рік тому

    The Porsche story would hold up better if any of them knew how to pronounce Cartier. Shes not interested in cars, hes not interested in language/words.

  • @mydentalhouse
    @mydentalhouse Рік тому +2

    Lay off the white coffee guys..

  • @bjoernaltmann
    @bjoernaltmann Рік тому

    Under no circumstances would a real Cartier have cast hallmarks. Casting hallmarks is a crime in any case. In the UK, precious metal items over a certain weight have to be sent to an Assay Office - London in this instance - to be hallmarked. It cannot be done by anyone else or in a different manner.

  • @calvinontime
    @calvinontime Рік тому

    Curious how many under-the-table Cartiers are on Chrono24 right now...

  • @thewatchbro
    @thewatchbro Рік тому

    It's true. I bought a fake one from ebay without knowing it was fake. I sent it in for authentication and they came back and said "sorry." This was before the bay guarantee though. So I gave it to my 9 year old lol

  • @Peter-2704
    @Peter-2704 Рік тому +3

    Perezcope made an appearance on today's Scottish Watches Podcast. Check it out.

  • @rickjason215
    @rickjason215 Рік тому

    No minimum on the bidding? There are hundreds of parts that can be compared to known Cartiers.

  • @Joe-xo3xy
    @Joe-xo3xy Рік тому

    concerning Goldberger: I will like to differentiate between a merchant and a collector; No way did Goldberger spend a load of money on watches simply for a recreational purpose. I do think ppl who collect to purposely sell are not collectors

  • @SelectBlendHAF
    @SelectBlendHAF Рік тому

    Love the show. Could you guys stop hitting the table or move the mic? Really love the show again.

  • @jamesnewton3739
    @jamesnewton3739 Рік тому +1

    Love the jacket Christian, Where is it from?

  • @foodie1986
    @foodie1986 Місяць тому

    that cartier would be worth so much more.

  • @Dr.K-MD.DMD.
    @Dr.K-MD.DMD. Рік тому

    Vacheron does custom watches

  • @Joyhappyfree
    @Joyhappyfree Рік тому

    How we looking on those podcasts boys? You could probably just use the audio from your videos and upload them 😉 t

  • @mozangeles631
    @mozangeles631 Рік тому

    Damn … beat me to it 😒

  • @Bleppity
    @Bleppity Рік тому

    Masterworks is a very high risk investment vehicle.

  • @67whitegoat4
    @67whitegoat4 Рік тому +1

    I’m sorry, you don’t know what a 911 is!? We’re done. I can’t be with you anymore.

  • @Arc1517
    @Arc1517 Рік тому

    Christian has the WG Pepsi warmed you up to modern sports watches at all?

  • @MaartenAnna
    @MaartenAnna Рік тому

    S#$% my father in law owns a tank, we need to up the insurance... 😉

  • @stevelangsdorf7307
    @stevelangsdorf7307 Рік тому +5

    Christian, how many tries did it take to get that exact fold in your jacket collar for the fake casual look, just saying 🤔

  • @stevelangsdorf7307
    @stevelangsdorf7307 Рік тому +2

    Michael, I am really enjoying watching you become the Alpha right before our very 👀 eyes.

  • @TheDryDown
    @TheDryDown Рік тому +2

    Please turn in your watch douche cards for not referring to him as Auro Montanari :) nice episode gents.

  • @gislisnbjornsson690
    @gislisnbjornsson690 Рік тому +2

    WHAT IS UP WITH THE NOSE TOUCHING!!!!!

  • @maripetluk
    @maripetluk 4 місяці тому

    You could be more interesting. If you were not what you are. But the fact that I'm watching you two right now is not speaking in my favour. So keep on rolling!

  • @samuelburton5576
    @samuelburton5576 Рік тому +1

    ????!!!!! Really

  • @jameskearney1185
    @jameskearney1185 Рік тому

    Ayo the 911 is the best car ever

  • @christopherhoglund4962
    @christopherhoglund4962 Рік тому

    …the same way we don’t notice a new haircut or shoes.

  • @Benzo1818
    @Benzo1818 Рік тому +4

    WTF is always going on with them rubbing. picking & itching their noses???...God Damn!?🤨

    • @omar10213245
      @omar10213245 Рік тому

      nose candy for breakfast makes for an itchy afternoon. . .

  • @gabrielw7929
    @gabrielw7929 Рік тому

    I enjoy the channel… air purifier sponsor pronto, to clear the allergens.

  • @AceAlvarezNYC
    @AceAlvarezNYC Рік тому

    I would’ve broken up with her on the spot 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @danryan4137
    @danryan4137 Рік тому

    If she hasn’t seen a Mini Cooper……Dump her😂

  • @artteelange5045
    @artteelange5045 Рік тому

    Who's Theo and who's Harris?

    • @rudyvasquez3917
      @rudyvasquez3917 Рік тому

      I love this comment lol

    • @omar10213245
      @omar10213245 Рік тому

      Harris is the one in glasses. Not sure who Theo is, unless he's talking about the son on the Cosby show.

    • @rudyvasquez3917
      @rudyvasquez3917 Рік тому

      @@omar10213245 this guy lmao hahahaha

  • @birkrum4630
    @birkrum4630 Рік тому

    Perez did it on purpose to get a chrash for less than 400k

  • @greggoodrich7161
    @greggoodrich7161 Рік тому +2

    Drinking game: drink every time Jeff and Mutt scratch their noses. Shotgun if they start scratching each other’s noses.

    • @omar10213245
      @omar10213245 Рік тому +3

      cocaine can be itchy

    • @BBGinCDM
      @BBGinCDM Рік тому +3

      Thinking exact same.
      That ain't a cold.
      And pure distraction from otherwise great video.

  • @fark69
    @fark69 Рік тому +5

    I'd hate to be a girl dating the tan one. You'd have to hear him talk about cars and watches all the time and if you don't know as much about these things as some basement dwelling moderator of the carsandwatches subreddit he doesn't talk to you the rest of dinner. Yikes

    • @BAF605
      @BAF605 Рік тому +4

      I think they both bat for the other team.😉😉

    • @nathanf1934
      @nathanf1934 Рік тому +5

      I honestly thought they were together.

    • @Adskie
      @Adskie Рік тому

      Well aren’t y’all a bunch of negative wankers 🙂

  • @matthewteh2000
    @matthewteh2000 Рік тому

    first view dang

  • @defenderwhatsright7863
    @defenderwhatsright7863 Рік тому +4

    the stories and content is fine but can you stop picking your nose and eating on cam its pretty grubby , relaying to viewers your personal hygiene is below par . Also don't spit out your drink on cam please ? ! 🙄

  • @FrankieJames14
    @FrankieJames14 Рік тому +1

    Dear Theo, I had to stop watching because you literally picked your nose… I mean you always mess with your nose ( which annoyed me always) but in this vid
    I threw up in my mouth.