Marvel Comics #1 (The Human Torch) - Atop the Fourth Wall
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Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara checks out the original Marvel superhero - the Human Torch!
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Originally released November 19th, 2018.
ORIGINAL DESCRIPTION: Got to love how scientific research in comic books doesn't really need to have any specific purpose.
The funny thing is, if Marvel wanted to spite Fox they could've used this guy as an excuse to at least get the Human Torch into the MCU, kinda like how they found a loophole to get Quicksilver.
Given they made the Guardians of the Galaxy into household names, they could have pulled it off.
He actually did have a cameo in Captain America First Avenger, you can see him as an exhibition at the Stark Expo.
@@PeterWritingThings Huh, really? Guess I've got an excuse to watch it again. Also, assuming the show's still going (I don't actually know if it is), five says he ends up in Agents of Shield at some point.
I doubt that. Quicksilver isn't a name you can trademark on its own, just if you create a fancy logo. Also, Quicksilver is licensed in both the X-Men and Avengers franchises. I doubt very much the Human Torches are likewise split in the licensing agreement.
Does anyone really want a movie about this guy? There are over a thousand characters and only a couple dozen will get their own movie. I can't see this guy as a priority, especially when they couldn't even get a Johnny Storm solo series off the ground.
... But then again Sony thinks people want a Morbius movie.
"I, Professor Horton, have a difficult problem in my latest discovery"
"I was studying a rare species of flower that started talking to me, calling itself a Who. There's a fellow doctor interested in publishing the story"
“A fellow doctor? Who?”
Alexis Rodriguez
Dr Seuss, famed author.
@@daelen.cclark I think he was making a Doctor Who joke...
@@MorganWick it was a joke about the dr seuss book horton hears a who
I was referring to the comment the person I was responding to was directly replying to, not the top-level comment.
When you think about it, it's incredibly fitting for Human Torch to be the first superhero of Marvel. In MU, this was public's first encounter with the supernatural: Screaming in terror at the man on fire.
And for the second one to be an neurotic half-naked asshole.
What?
@@kyleweaver9830 Marvel from the start has been defined as world where public treats the heroes with fear and where superheroism isn't just an adventure, but a burden.
@@markuscriticus8278it kinda does explain the difference between marvel and DC. In the marvel universe the first super powered being was a man on fire burning everything it touched. In the DC universe the first encounter with super powered beings was Superman or the JSA truly heroic characters showing that the people had nothing to fear
Before Dr. Doom... before Loki... before Thanos... Marvel's first ever villain was Sardo, a guy in a yellow suit!
@@painvillegaming4119 Eh, I always thought of Namor as more of an antihero than a straight-up villain like Sardo.
@@MeliesCinemagician namor killed innocents people and went on killing sprees he was a bad guy
@@frankspick7544 True, but he was acting on behalf of Atlantis, and he's worked alongside other heroes multiple times in the past.
Was it before The Leader?
@@MeliesCinemagician that was afterwards
11:39 Golly, Professor Horton's creation really is incredible! Super-strength, leaping tall buildings in a single bound and now deflecting bullets with his invulnerable skin? What creature on earth could possibly top this man of steel?
There’s a much more recent comic where the Torch speculates that Horton actually wanted him to burn, to be a weapon against the Nazis. And he certainly was a weapon against them, in marvel canon Hitler did not commit suicide, the Torch roasted him alive.
Since Horton is Jewish, I do wonder if that makes the Torch kind of a golem?
@@Ombratrak132 I vaguely recall reading that comic, though I can't remember the name off the top of my head...
Now that you mentioned golems, though, I am reminded of that one alternate universe in Millenial Visions where Horton build thousands of robotic-looking Human Torch automata to destroy the nazis. I loved those books.
Tbf he doesn't have super strength or invulnerable skin. I mean maybe things change but I'm reading the original comics now and he's pretty vulnerable when he loses his flame.
@@dreadpiraterobin8379 Still, being immune to bullets means he's quite a bit less vulnerable than the vast majority of superheroes. Unless they ignore that in the future, which is always a possibility with these old comics.
I get it!
The original Torch actually made a very brief appearance in 'Captain America: The First Avenger' during the Stark Expo. You know the original Human Torch could actually have been a good character for a TV spin-off like 'Agent Carter'. Wake him up from the glass tube and have him fight the remnants of HYDRA and other enemies, trying to fill the void left in Cap's 'death'.
As the first Marvel superhero, you'd think he'd get a lot more respect. I mean Superman's the first DC superhero and I challenge you to find someone who doesn't know who he is.
You would almost think that his appearance in Captain America the First Avenger would be a nod to the Fantastic 4 movies.
multilad816 You forgot Jessica Jones, Runaways and Cloak and Dagger. Plus, Daredevil has sadly been canceled, though you might’ve already known that by now.
@@ZemeckisTEN I completely forgot cloak and dagger was a thing
@@skywaffles6674 I haven’t. But it doesn’t matter anyway because all of the MCU TV Shows before WandaVision are non-canon. Fucking stupid if you ask me.
The intro music is a mashup of the music from the MCU intros and the intro to the Justice League animated series...
THIS IS AMAZING.
It is, much better than 2nd one.
Thank You! ^^
I thought it sounded familiar!
"Our civilization does not know how to stop fire!"
Meanwhile in California
If you think about it, considering that the Human Torch burns without any kind of fuel being used, (the skin appearing unscathed and therefore impossible to have been the fuel supports this), the Scientist did kind of make the greatest discovery ever. Whether that be a fuel that will never run out when on fire or perhaps even fusion or fission considering the radiation thing.
That’s revolutionary since it basically means a source which could be used to fuel power stations forever without needing to be replaced.
Yeah, that scientist pretty much took thermodynamics out behind the shed and taught it the true meaning of Christmas. Dude should have gotten a Nobel Prize or something.
I assumed it was made out of Lithium, and would burn out eventually if he didn't find a way to control it. Now why on Earth anyone would build an android out of Lithium is the real question.
This can't be right
Where's the gorgeous Alex Ross artwork, with Human Torch narrating the very beginning and the rest being narrated by a super likable journalist?
This is the second time now I'm going to recommend everyone and their mom reads "Marvels".
"Because this is the Golden Age and we don't care." Imagine if Countdown was part of the golden age 😂😂
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It still wouldn’t have made a good story.
"If you enjoy what you do, if you are interested in what you do, I really think that’s the best situation." - Stan Lee
My favorite quote of the Man himself,
Excelsior!!
I spent the WHOLE review waiting for "I've got it...ARSON!"
Good, informative video!
One note, though. I think it’s a little ungenuine to say to say that Johnny Storm was the more popular of the two. His solo book lasted only a few years and is widely considered the weakest of the ongoing 60s Marvel titles. People who bought the FF did so was Ben Grimm, the villains, and the Kirby concepts. Replace Iceman with Johnny and I don’t think it misses a beat.
The OG Torch had the lead feature for all 92 issues of Marvel Mystery, was the only character besides Cap to have a long running series named after him, and was the second most popular character Timely had in the Golden Age. His premise is way more fascinating and identifiable and it’s time everyone gives him, as well as Burgos, the admiration and attention they deserve.
only character besides cap to have a long running series?
Sub-Mariner Comics ran for longer than Human Torch Comics did.
wasn't there a venture bros episode where they ran into the "not the fantastic four", complete with a guy who, when exposed oxygen, burst into flame and started screaming?
Yup.
Yep, and their Mr Fantastic was originally played by Stephen Colbert, and later by Bill Hader.
@@EnsignRicky011 Is that where Conan O'Brien's alter ego, The Flaming C came from? :P
And somehow, their interpretation of Mr. Fantastic is basically what happens when any writer makes Mr. Fantastic the apathetic scientist who prioritize results to their work instead of caring about the effects of what happens around him and making him sound as empathetic as Sektor from Mortal Kombat, especially that "apology" letter he sent to his wife in civil war.
Yep.
Mr. Impossible = Mr. Fantastic expy, but a complete smug jackass.
Sally Fantastic = Sue Storm expy, only she can only make her skin invisible.
Ned = Ben Grimm/The Thing expy, but intellectually handicapped, mental level of a 5 year old, maybe.
Sally's brother is the Human Torch expy, who combusts when exposed to air and screams in pain.
Awww, that's a genuinely sad out-of-universe backstory for the Torch. Shame how comic creators so often get screwed over. . .and yes, this is a very serviceable origin for Marvel's first super-hero! I mean, it's pretty GOOFY, but it was written in the 30s, what do you want. I'll take goofy but good-hearted over unnecessarily grimdark any day.
RIP mr. Stan Lee 1922-2018
EXCELSIOR!!!
ΝΙΚΟΣ ΝΙΚΟΣ the introduction kinda say he was a dick hahaha ( i mean in business )
@@user-bn2oi1fd8l People change. Not every sweet old man was kind throughout their entire life
Another Greek too? Nice!
"Suck it Einstine! I invented a robot that's always on fire!" Best line of Novemebr 2018 right there XD
Little fun fact is that there is a Easter egg in the first Captain America movie about this version of the Human torch when we first meet Howard Stark.
Last time I was this early, the continuity alarm was working properly.
Target Cube Productions Never then
Yeah, he can't seem to fix it.
@@cjermevpg6372
He doesn’t even want to fix it. He repurposed it as a popcorn alarm.
Here's what I would've gone with for the Dr. Horton joke.
"I have discovered a race of intelligent microscopic life-forms, existing in their own civilization localized entirely on this tiny-spec. They call themselves "Whos" and their town, "Whoville." They can talk to me too; I swear I heard them!"
6:35
*Vetega:* Check out the forehead on that guy.
*Tien:* Your the one to talk.
*Vetega:* I heard that Tri-Clops.
I love the original Human Torch. Always preferred him to Johnny Storm, actually. A really good tribute to him as Marvel's first hero is from the graphic novel, Marvels by Kurt Busiek and Alex Ross.
Avengers/Invaders was also really good and did a ton to flesh out and expand the character of Jim Hammond. Someone had the really cool idea of him being a technopath, which he never would have realized in his own time because other machines were too simple, but when he and the Invaders get thrown into the future, he realizes that he can connect mentally to other complex machines and him talking about the idea of A.I. rights was pretty interesting.
He's usually one of the best characters in the Invaders books
Good book marvels. It did what astro city did
Hey Disney how about an Avengers story where they find Jim Hammond burried in the ground, and Cap recognize him as one of his old Howling Commandos who had been set up for sabatoge during the war
4:19 During my travels I came across a Dandelion that contains an entire civilization of people called Whos. STOP LAUGHING AT ME!
May Stan Lee rest in peace
EXCELSIOR!!
His probably being treated like a other god has made his own universe
Screw Bill Maher!
he's watching us as the watcher
Jouta Kujo i’m more surprised linkara never made a video addressing stan’s death or such. Being a big name in the industry and such, i thought linkara would do a in memory of video or such or even a next time video where he even mentions it. He just goes on and never mentions that stan died at all
Dude I was first introduce to the original Human Torch with the amazing book, Marvels.
Hopefully one day Linkara will one day talk about that comic~
im amazed that horton made this robot. especially with the tech at the time. which was vacuum tubes and giant tape wheals
*Two* new Atop the Fourth Wall episodes on the same day?
*WHAT NEW SPORE OF MADNESS IS THIS?*
The fantastic kind my friend.
To Stan the Man Lee. May his legacy never vanish
Ben Dyson I mean his had a lot of time to build it
"I CALL IT...LOGAN PAUL."
If I created Logan Paul I'd say there was something horribly wrong with my creation.
That Logan Paul joke got me good, since I figured you'd be the *last* person I'd expect to make a joke like that lol
So, Phineas Horton, the guy who created Vision… basically created a Fire-type variant of Neutro? Okay, I’ll admit it. That’s AWESOME!
"Horton hears a ho-God no!"
LEWIS YOU'RE BACK!
And he brought a new intro for Secret Origins Month
in the beginning of marvel, there was nothing, but then, there was a flame
I like to think that most "as you all know" speeches begin that way because the person speaking is well aware that someone listening was not paying attention last time and is repeating himself so said person can save face and get up to speed.
"Horton hears a OH GOD NO!" LOL XD
16:00 Clearly Professor Horton's funding was coming from Whoville.
The "as you know" cliché exists for reasons beyond hackneyed writing. It's used to establish a foundation for a conversation so that new information can build off of that. Granted, it's typically used a lazy shortcut to exposit to the audience, but there are legitimate uses for this expression.
I love the new opening title... I especially love the fact that it uses the Earths Mightiest Heroes designs! Kudos for one of the best marvel animated shows ever!
I just love the new intro to Secret Origins Month! Just thinking about it takes me back to when I enjoyed Marvel Studios' new intro. Now that I think about it, Marvel Studios and Atop the Fourth Wall have one thing in common...........their tenth anniversary. I think this is a match made in heaven for 2018!
I love that new intro for secret origins month.
Thank You! ^^
Double Feature and awesome new intro for Secret Origins Month
It's good to know where this version of the Human Torch came from after having encountered him in Lego Avengers, which only has characters from the MCU and ones that could potentially be in the MCU at the time.
15:00: "Now he's radioactive! That can't be good!"
That first draft of that Dr. Seuss book “Horton hears a oh god no” really didn’t take off. Maybe he needs to change the title
He has an interview in Human Torch Comics #2 where he talks about his publisher hounding him for a new character on an exceptionally hot summer day.
Marvel should really bring back the first Human Torch. Yet with a new or enhanced origin. As their first superhero, I think he deserves a revamp for the future
I'd be down to see a Booster Gold retrospective. I love the character and Linkara's great at going in-depth with history and the best stories from previous characters.
The human touch is basically Mewtwo minus the hatred
"Liquidar" might be "Liquid AR", or liquid Argon gas. Argon is a gas like Helium or Neon, totally chemically inert, so It is used as a shielding gas for arc welding. Like helium, it is stored pressured to a liquid.
And the reason the nitrogen gas puts out the flame is, well, for the same reason. Mostly chemically inert, it essentially starves the flames of oxygen to react with.
Was going to say this, well put
Golden age Human Torch: probably most well known for canonically assassinating Hitler.
I kinda wish this Human Torch got more exposure, I like the idea of an android superhero that has fire power.
I have been waiting for 6 days. I was not disappointed. Love the new intro!
First off: Fair Well True Believer. Excelsior.
The comic Interesting. Very educational.
I’m with you that the guy should have a bigger push but where to begin and where to place him?
Now I really hope "Fair Well True Believer. Excelsior." is his epitaph.
I love how the Secret Origins month logo is like Marvel’s logo. I like to think it was made in memory and honor of Stan Lee.
Professor Horton latest discovery: Do you hear the Who?
Sorfy. Hit accidentally while scrooli g.
Awesome episode as always. Sounds like this origin was a fun read so I just might do some research on the golden age Human Torch, Timely Comics/Marvel's first superhero. Just so you know that me and the wife danced to the closing theme of this episode. Have a great week and a Happy Thanksgiving.
+Linkara-AtopTheFourthWall After hearing his Origin I'd like to see a modern re-imaging of him in the MCU.
Horton didn't hear a who or give a who." ;3
Based on a few quick Google searches:
Depending on composition, glass melts around 1400-1600° Celsius, or around 2500-2900° Fahrenheit.
Steel melts at around 1370°C, again around 2500°F, so in the same ballpark as the lower-end glass (albeit about 50°F lower).
If the Torch can so easily melt steel, then he probably would've melted the lower-end glass. However, one could assume that Professor Horton knew this, and so used glass of higher melting point for the tube, thus preventing it from melting in the short time HT was on fire.
"Hey, guys I created the first Replicant, and when it's not burning uncontrollably it's indistinguishable from a human being."
"Eww, just thrash it. There's no future in sentient robots or permanent sources of heat!"
But at least I can see how annoying it would be if Johnny Storm's fire acted like actual fire. Yeah, it's fake thathe can grab stuff and like be in a closed room without making it unbearably hot, but jeez.
R.I.P. Stan "the Man" Lee #Excelsior
I rather liked the idea of him being re-made into Vision. So I actually just stick with that one rather then acknowledge later changes.
Also, the new Secret Origins intro looks AWESOME. :) Suck it indeed, Content ID!
The villain's pointlessly convoluted plan sounds like something Flintheart Glomgold would do.
Huh, AT4W sure has ramped up it's budget in 10 years. Though I suppose that's to be expected.
Flashy Starwinger he has 728 fan backers paying a total of $2,771 a month. Pretty good for a budget.
Ronnie Alley that does sound rather well for a budget.
Flashy Starwinger indeed
The Human Torch caught on fire because he was removed from his original package, turns out Action Figure Collectors stop a couple thousand of domestic fires a year just by keeping the toys in mint condition.
9:36 According to Kurt Busiek's Marvels, Horton attached a learning device to the Human Torch when he placed him in the tube, because he hoped that he could fix the whole burst into flame issue and that the Torch could become a part of society.
Sorry. Hit by accident while scrolling.
Also, if he burts into flames when in contact with air, that makes it a chemical fire, which means the firefighters were lucky that he didn't erupt into a massive fireball
Ah, the Golden Age.
The Jim Hammond version of Human Torch from Heroes for Hire was groovy.
I first heard about this guy when I read Marvels. In there, the scientist had the Torch listen to tapes so he could hear about the outside world while underground. I guess racketeering was part of the lessons? XP
Rest in Peace Stan Lee. Nuff said...
So... the first The Human Torch was some sort of arson android?
Oh Boy, 2 episodes in 1 day!? Must be Thanksgiving!
Ah, the Bronze Age. I was more of a DC guy but that's still when I got into comics. And the new Secret Origins Month intro was better so Content ID did do one thing right in making that happen.
Dude this is the Golden Age.
This review was. The review he announced for next time was Bronze.
Burning all of his artwork instead of trying to sell it, not the most logical thing to do.
I want the human torch to become more well-known
Honestly I prefer the OG Torch over the FF one I can't help it I love the tin man with a heart trope video was well worth the wait
If the human torch is so hot, why is his fire red? That the least hot fire.
This is like Dracula going into the science of lifesaving blood transfusions only for the discovery of different blood types a few years later
OMG the Vision thing was SO freaking convoluted. _Avengers Forever_ was basically "ok, look, some of this crap just didn't make sense. We know it didn't make sense. So here's this magical device that makes stuff which doesn't make sense...make sense."
Also, fun trivia bit: OG Torch appeared in a scene in _Captain America: The First Avenger_
@@MinscFromBaldursGate92 I don't know if continuity porn is a real thing or not, but if it is? That's my fetish. #DontContinuityShameMe
Awesome job on the new Secret Origins Month logo, and I agree that UA-cam should shove their content ID right back up their ass.
3:55- COMEDY! HORROR! SCIENCE FICTION!
6:03- I was also thinking about Neutro. Just pray that Doctor Insano doesn't create his own version of The Human Torch.
8:52- I know I should be offended, because this is a 9/11 joke......but you pulled that off really damn well.
15:11- And what he does best is pretty nice for people like me.
It was tords "truthers" of 9-11 not tord 9-11 it self.
Arguably my favorite month of reviews from you lewis. Your retrospective looks are always so insightful and interesting
Love the new SOM origin. RIP Stan Lee
Maybe now he can team up with Monty Oum, Walt Disney, and Satoru Iwata (I imagine there are no language barriers in the afterlife).
@@JaelinBezel you would be right
I wonder if there will ever be a day when every captain marvel can appear in a comic together
RIP Stan Lee :(
A torch's a torch. No matter how hot.
good to see you back, I was getting worried. Great video, as always
For some reason all I could think about was the unintentional unfortunate imagery with the phone line on fire at 7:33... But anyhow, amazing video as usual! ^_^
8:30 THAT'S SAR-DÔ! No mister! Accent on the do!
6:33 oh NOW your wondering about his head?!
Sing it with me now!
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You know what would be cool, a human torch movie. Maybe that's what's coming in Phase 4 of the MCU.
Heya, Linkara! Glad you are still doing what you like (me too, btw). Here to wish you a great game and to remind you i miss the vest/long cape-like coat. Cheers.
RIP Stan the Man.
Man, had to rewatch that new secret origins intro a few times and bask in its glory.
10:28 Have you watched James Bond movies??? The criminals in those films are incredibly successful, yet they still want more!!! One of the films is actually called "The World Is Not Enough".
"Best in the world at what he does"? Chris Jericho? Didn't realize he was old enough to have a Bronze Age Comic. 😉😂 Just kidding, couldn't resist. But seriously, looking forward to it.