Not strictly curbside. Now there are always exceptions, and diff rules in different areas. But I receive deliveries frequently from both, they gladly will fork materials into garages, up to decks, into back yards as long as it's clearly communicated from step one to them. It gets miscommunicated sometimes, and sometimes you get complete ass hat delivery guys. But they are not lowes and depot employees, they are third party contractors, the delivery guys themselves have zero communications with the retailer, they get their orders from the company they work for/their bosses.
I worked for Lowe's doing that for 7 years, if I could help people out by getting the supplies where they wanted them I would. I even had a few occasions when it was slow that I would lift shingles up to the roof, and wait while they unloaded them. I figured if it wasn't hurting me, I had no problem helping them.
Then you have never died on the inside because you have to carry a bunch of 70 pound bundles of shingles which isnt necessary these days , that becomes the hardest part of the job , but thats why you dont let a homeowner order materials
I tried roofing one Summer here in Phoenix. To heck with it lol. Those guys are beasts tho. You gotta be tough to do that job in 115 degree heat. The city noise ordinance didn't let us start any earlier than 6 am but occasionally we got a job at the city outskirts and could start at 3 or 4 am so we weren't in the heat
For real, other day it was 96 and I was taking breaks every 15 minutes I must’ve drank ten bottles of water in the first 3 hours it cools you off in those 4 minutes but after that you feel like you haven’t drank water, it wasn’t even shingle roof it was a flat roof but those buckets of silicone coatings are 90 pounds each climbing the ladder with it 😵😵💫
"Roofing is a young man's job." I believe it. I sometimes think of that same expression when I watch TowTrucker's videos. To do that work you have to get down on the ground to hook up chains to the undersides of cars and trucks in the scorching heat and rainstorms. No job for old guys with bad knees! I do respect the older fellows that do such hard work tremendously, though.
I usually drop paperwork and take the picture before I drive away to put up the forklift. I’ve come back to some of the material missing because they already started moving it in. Learned that lesson quick.
I film with my phone so that's why I do that. If I'm not filming, I do it that way. I have actually used a few videos for customers lying about being shorted on pallets for some bigger multi truck deliveries. The managers like it, which I was worried about it being some kind of issue, but there's another guy that's done it for 6 years, and he even films at the load ups so no problems yet. I film every unattended drop now, even if I don't post it because of customers lying or last time saying I dropped it in the wrong spot. I started before the pictures ever were a thing and that changed saved me a few times now people are lying so much I film almost everything. But I've worked in Cali mostly the last 3 years so the people have changed too. Not for the best always
I bought 5 rooms of floor tile and Lowe’s asked if I wanted delivery for 50 bucks extra and I asked if they are going to stack it in the house and he said yes so yes I got it. When the drivers showed up they asked where I wanted it stacked and I said come in and I’ll show u and he said no I mean at the curb. I told him what lowes told me and they laughed and said lowes workers don’t know what they’re talking about. I told him ok just take it back and tell them about it. You should have saw the look on his face when I told him that. He said let me call my boss then here they started coming in the house with it and they was pissed
Id be pissed too. The driver is always getting screwed over. The drivers dispatcher probably told them curbside and paid them for that. Then when they get there it's more work for free or $20 bucks extra. May be small to the customer but for a driver time is money. ANY extra delay means a smaller paycheck...
I worked in a mom and pop flooring store for 25 years. Our prices on flooring was slightly higher, but not by much...and our installers worked solely for us. They came to the store, loaded all the flooring...and at the job site...they unloaded everything into the house. No delivery fee or extra fee for labor of getting the goods into the home. The home owner didn't have to worrying about how to get sometimes thousands of pounds of material from a truck into their home.
Randy my man.... you sound like a jerk. I feel bad for that delivery driver. Most only deliver curbside, due to liability. You made the dude work more than he was paid for. They should have charged you a return fee and let you deal with it. You were 100% in the wrong and proud about it....
I was always told. If it's not worth 60,000$ my salary at the time don't do it. If helping a roofer out is worth your job. Do it. I'm sure that roofer will help pay your bills while you are looking for a job.
No people have every right to do their own jobs and order what they need to get the shit done otherwise it won't get done and houses will fall apart because people don't have money to pay these contractors ridiculous prices. If that's what you're trying to get to let me correct your mistake
@@bobboby2400as a contractor, we'd not agree to do the project unless we're ordering all the material. This is a prime example of why. There are rare exceptions to that rule, but for 99% of all material, we must order and figure out delivery. But you're right, a client can do it their way, but usually only bottom of the barrel contractors would agree to do the project that way. Way too much risk using client supplied material,and I'd say the client is unwittingly taking on a ton of risk. Especially if they're very cost conscious, those are the ones most at risk
@@bobboby2400 That's just a dumb thing. Letting customers buy their own materials results in substandard work because the customer always goes for the cheapest options which are mostly the options where the materials are not of the best quality. In my country the contractors have better prices than the customer can get at DIY stores because they buy in bulk and get discounts. Customers pay the same or even less for materials but get Class A materials.
@@williamgeardener2509contractors are the ones going cheap as possible. They make more when they choose cheap materials. So keep over paying for a worthless finished product
The roofers I work around on construction sites have a gas powered lift they mount to an extension ladder and send the squares of shingles to the roof.
@georgestone2083 They already lose money on every delivery, which I guarantee you 99% of people don't know that. HD is not a specialty store. There's special trucks that do drywall too. They just can't have everything.
Not my job but I might've offered to split up those pallets into about 3 loads and lifted it up to the roofline so they could pull it easier and faster. Not sure if you're allowed to do anything out of the ordinary like that just figured since you said it was gonna be 115° it might've helped them out. Homeowner might even pay for your time. Can't fault you for not hassling with it tho, probably the smartest move.
most shingles warehouses offered free roof delivery when possible 😂 the contractor should include a hand loading fee for packing shingles up 1 or 2 stories, I've loaded houses by carrying shingles up through the house and passing them out a skylight to get on top of a three story roof (it was new construction) a laddervatory and or a shingles converyer is worth the money well spent loading a roof in the morning is good exercise 💪
It is the costumers decision there the one paying they could do it their self if they want to and just order the stuff to build otherwise shit won't get done. If they have to hire somebody do it for you it's going to cost you too much cuz they charge ridiculous prices.
Talking about safety, but drives back to the truck with his forks in the air. Whenever possible the forks stay as low to the ground as possible. That's forklift 101. Also, he could have lifted the shingles up, and the guys could have taken the shingles off and spread them over the roof.
In the late 70’s I worked for a lumber yard and did the deliveries. I was 18. I lived off my tips because the deliveries were supposed to be curbside and I’d put the material wherever the contractor wanted it. If it was super labor intensive I would give them a number, CASH, to put it where they wanted. The homeowner would also give me a tip. The contractors started ordering more from our location because of the specialty deliveries. They would request that I do the delivery. The boss made me the steady delivery guy and I got promoted to lead yard man. He gave me a healthy raise. If you apply yourself you’ll always have a job and your boss will take care of you.
Not true... I've had jobs where my performance was outstanding and was not compensated fairly for my time (salary), and terminated when expressing my displeasure with the situation. Some companies want something for nothing, and some supervisors feel threatened I think... My personal experience
@@philtheheaterguy951yes, I showed up everyday and worked my tail off between 50 to 60 hours a week, and that was just the hours I put in on the clock, not including all the work I had to do from home covering shifts and making the schedule etc... the SALARY I was making was an absolute joke and I was completely being taken advantage of. I tried to communicate this with the company and I was terminated... Yes, I was an excellent employee and fired. I know it's hard for your simple mind to comprehend anything beyond what you experience in your own world, but people are taken advantage of everyday by people that have the power to do so... I know, whether you want to realize it or not
What Roofing Contractor has the Homeowner ordering their shingles? Dumbest thing ever...."I know. Lets get the 75yo retired schoolteacher to order our supplies. What could go wrong?"
Check the label on the packaging for your shingles. I fairly certain that the large pallet wax already stacked with as many bundles as is allowed. By putting the small pallet on top of it you may have exceeded the weight for the bottom layer of shingles on the large pallet. I had this happen on a hot day and the bottom two-three layers of shingle bundles. We’re so compressed they tore when trying to separate them. The cost went back to the loader.
Never drive with forks way in the air either. Also, could have lifted the pallets up, and they could take the shingles off the pallet and it would have been easier on their backs.
When I was about 20 I helped a buddy roof a fairly big house. He said we would carry the bundles up and pocket the $100 conveyor fee. It damned near killed me, what awful work! Now 40 years later, the same buddy can hardly walk anymore, after doing 40 years of stupid hard manual labor. Not worth it.
That's all on the roofing contractor, not getting things straight with owner beforehand. On the flip side "What is a "roofing truck" ? LOL Years ago , I did about 20 roofs and it seemed like it was me. Toting shingles up a ladder is good exercise, 😎, in the summer , even better. Two -stories is "Nirvana".
Had a roofing company set up a shingle and replacement wood for the deck and the company that was to drop off the supplies showed up and were starting to drop it on the curb but I told him that I wanted on the right side edge of my driveway . When the contractor arrived he asked where the supplies were and I told him and he was upset but if they sat on the curb for 2-3 hours someone could come by and help themselves and I told him that and he agreed. They used the left side for their dump truck and they had a device similar to that used by bricklayers and in a little over 6 hours they had my roof and deck off and then put back on, with underlayment and everything . It was hard to believe but they had a crew of about 25 on or around the house.
Man I remember me and a buddy had to take out 3 full pallets out on the fuckin Box truck because it was one of those customers and we had no flatbed guys at the time. Of course we get there and its a 1/4mi long downhill driveway at 45 degrees cannot back down had to carry each one down one or two at a time shit sucked ass
@terrymoody8638 so what if hes not a roofer. Hes got a forklift, the roofers dont, since the pallet is on the forklift, the forklift is only inches away from the house, all he needed to do was pull the lever and raise the pallet up instead of down, and just wait 2-3 minutes for them to unload the pallet, and then a nice gesture waive and everything is good.
@terrymoody8638 if im driving a backhoe tracker down a dirt road and there 2-3 guys digging a ditch with shovels, im not going to just drive right past them. Im gona back up to that ditch and scoop out that dirt for them. So what if its fuel and wear n tare, its just helping the guys out.
@@johnperez93640 What happens if the lift falls over? What if one of the workers falls off the house while unloading? What if the drivers boss is checking up on him? I worked for Lowes and they did check on you on occasion.
He literally explains before the end of the video. They purchased curbside delivery, so the device he brought could effectively deliver to the ground. He didn't bring another device that's made to lift really really high and not tip over. Some people don't like risking their lives, property, health, and other peoples' property just because of someone else's lack of forethought and emotional blackmail.
They are actually lucky it was delivered up next to the home and not curbside as ordered. The delivery driver would be responsible for repair had the concrete driveway cracked since his order was for curbside and should not have been off of the street!
Better roofers are now using conveyor ladders - all they have to do is load a couple of bundles on the lift and run the motor up to the roof where they're unloaded. Repeat as needed, no manual hauling of the bundles up the ladder.
As a G.C., my experience is you’re better off to hire a reputable Roofing Contractor that supplies all the materials, labor, Permits, debris disposal and Insurance (fully inclusive). As that puts the onus on them for scheduling, delivery and most importantly… help with Product Warranty. In my state, if you (as Owner) provide the materials, then the Contractor is only responsible for labor and proper installation as per Code, I.e. if you have a premature / defective shingle failure, it is the responsibility of the purchaser to deal with any claims through the manufacturer. Not to mention, most Contractors that work for “Labor Only” know these things and or aren’t sound enough financially to supply the materials for the job. IMO, the normal 15% profit / mark-up isn’t worth the hassle to coordinate the things Homeowners are usually unfamiliar with. JS
Why do people always stand in the way as if they are driving the forklift with their eyes and body position telling you how to do your job with blind hope?….. lol “MOVE!”
My comment is just lift the top pallet up to the height of the roof for the roofers to unload would be muchly appreciated and maybe even get you a tip. Nobody these days wants to do any more than the minimum required. A google says the lift height is 10 feet on a Moffett lift ,which is higher than that roof is. Ask the roofing guy for your hourly rate to sit while he unloads the pallet. You could even get off the lift if you are worried about stuff falling. Just my 2 cents and it might get you a delivery job every day with that roofing crew.
The roof is higher than 10ft. Maybe on the side of the house but in front of the garage that is close to 15-20ft . Not the driver or the customers fault. 100% contractors fault. For not bidding the job with the right equipment.
Then the customer should of ordered the correct equipment to get the pallets on the roof with ease. worth the extra money and saves your roofers back for the day
The whole point of my channel is to teach new operators the basics and contract requirements. I don't always practice myself what I preach. I get 2 weeks to train only so I make these videos for all the different situations I run across. Just in case a new guy needs help or just learns before he runs into the situation. Crazy but I haven't had this actual situation in 3 years and I use to get it all the time in Vegas.
@@ugabuga1361 I paused the video at 3:00 and the chain link fence is 6 foot, the roof straight up the wall is 9 feet and the peak is around 13 feet. My reference for the fence is from 3:50 with the man standing at the gate and then I just measured the screen shot, so it could be done. My point really is if you look at this situation as an opportunity to have a repeat customer. He sees you as an asset to his job you can soon have a lot of repeat customers and have no worries about getting work. Less stress of being an owner operator. Being always booked ahead is way easier on the mental aspect of business. Better sleep etc.
In that situation, with that low of a roof, if the roofing company made it worth the while and if your boss ok'd it, would you be willing to sit on site with the pallets boomed up so the guys could unload from the roof and not have to fight the ladder?
Roofing work is hard on the body and any mechanical advantages to lessen the strain is helpful , and appreciated. No conveyor belt to roof top is on the roofing contractor trying to save a buck .
Is there a reason you couldn't have raise it up and let them unload it onto the roof? Probably would have taken there crew 5 minutes to un pallet it all.
You could have drove straight into where he wanted so much room to drop it closer and back put…why back up and turn and go in from the side? It’s paved how would you flip over? As it that slanted?
I bet when they ordered it they did not order curbside and your company probably agreed to rooftop only to get the sale and played stupid once it arrived ! Happens every time !
I worked for Lowes for 10 years delivering with a Moffit and would in this case always lift the shingles. That is a low enough roof that should not have been a problem. This guy is just being a butt.
I've never done roofing, but until I did this job, I didn't even know there were other trucks with booms to deliver to the roofs. I have no idea if you could rent a conveyor but I've seen other types of jobs that one would be handy also.
What's a pound is heavy why are you double stacking them? And do you normally video all deliveries? Also, you seemed to hit the garage side with the flashing. Then you complain about the customer? Did you take pictures of the damage to the garage? Any damage is still damage that was not needed. Also, where is the angery customer mentioned i. Click bait title?
I roofed for 9 years. Gave the the work ethic and balls to climb cell towers nowadays. Best job you could ever have a a young man is a roofer, or even hard working laborer.
I work for abc supply and I sometimes load with the moffet. sometimes being a jerk makes company business slow then your ass will be at home because customers rather go somewhere else instead of dealing with you.
No rhe driver should had lifed the load up fr those guys, I'm a roofer an never had a problem with any supply store or drivers putting them up th e re fr us to unload. That was just a jerk that's all.
I drive flatbed for the orange company and roofers always try that shit with me and I don’t know how many times iv almost gotten in fights over it so I got a GoPro 13 with the head mount and all that shit stopped..general contractors are the worst they want you to move there shit around so you can put your product down and when you say no it’s the same old story..try to get you fired or cus you out
Lowes and HD only offered curbside. I had gone thru a roofing supply company and paid the fee for rooftop. The roofers greatly appreciated it.
Not strictly curbside. Now there are always exceptions, and diff rules in different areas. But I receive deliveries frequently from both, they gladly will fork materials into garages, up to decks, into back yards as long as it's clearly communicated from step one to them. It gets miscommunicated sometimes, and sometimes you get complete ass hat delivery guys. But they are not lowes and depot employees, they are third party contractors, the delivery guys themselves have zero communications with the retailer, they get their orders from the company they work for/their bosses.
@@ProToolsApproved was only going by what they told me. I don’t doubt you
I’m a contractor in Missouri, my experience most of the delivery guys will unload it wherever you want it if they can.
I worked for Lowe's doing that for 7 years, if I could help people out by getting the supplies where they wanted them I would. I even had a few occasions when it was slow that I would lift shingles up to the roof, and wait while they unloaded them. I figured if it wasn't hurting me, I had no problem helping them.
Incorrect, depending on how much you order, HOME DEPOT has a minimum to order the roofload truck for their deliveries, because it's a third party.
My father was a roofer for 35 years. he carried every bundle himself. one thing he always told me. dont become a roofer! so i became a carpenter.
My father was a carpenter, so I became an electrician.
MY FATHER IS A LAWYER SO I BECAME A CRIMINAL 😂😂😂
Nobody looked upset to me.
Right
Then you have never died on the inside because you have to carry a bunch of 70 pound bundles of shingles which isnt necessary these days , that becomes the hardest part of the job , but thats why you dont let a homeowner order materials
The roofers l work around have motor lifts that mount to a ladder and raises the shingles onto the roof.
I tried roofing one Summer here in Phoenix. To heck with it lol. Those guys are beasts tho. You gotta be tough to do that job in 115 degree heat. The city noise ordinance didn't let us start any earlier than 6 am but occasionally we got a job at the city outskirts and could start at 3 or 4 am so we weren't in the heat
For real, other day it was 96 and I was taking breaks every 15 minutes I must’ve drank ten bottles of water in the first 3 hours it cools you off in those 4 minutes but after that you feel like you haven’t drank water, it wasn’t even shingle roof it was a flat roof but those buckets of silicone coatings are 90 pounds each climbing the ladder with it 😵😵💫
Get so hot on the roof in this arizona heat
I’m used to being cooked for 8-10hr straight now here in AZ. Start early and hydrate like a mfer and you should be okay.
Roofing is a young man’s job.
Been there done that eff that
I'm 60 and still roofing.
I'm 63yr old and roofed my house by myself and went and picked up my roofing by myself
@@edyates7601 roofing is not a weak man's game. My boss is 67 and on the roof with me.
@@ipman4715 it's not a easy job my hat's off to the hard working men that do it for a living
"Roofing is a young man's job."
I believe it. I sometimes think of that same expression when I watch TowTrucker's videos. To do that work you have to get down on the ground to hook up chains to the undersides of cars and trucks in the scorching heat and rainstorms. No job for old guys with bad knees! I do respect the older fellows that do such hard work tremendously, though.
I usually drop paperwork and take the picture before I drive away to put up the forklift. I’ve come back to some of the material missing because they already started moving it in. Learned that lesson quick.
I film with my phone so that's why I do that. If I'm not filming, I do it that way. I have actually used a few videos for customers lying about being shorted on pallets for some bigger multi truck deliveries. The managers like it, which I was worried about it being some kind of issue, but there's another guy that's done it for 6 years, and he even films at the load ups so no problems yet. I film every unattended drop now, even if I don't post it because of customers lying or last time saying I dropped it in the wrong spot. I started before the pictures ever were a thing and that changed saved me a few times now people are lying so much I film almost everything. But I've worked in Cali mostly the last 3 years so the people have changed too. Not for the best always
I bought 5 rooms of floor tile and Lowe’s asked if I wanted delivery for 50 bucks extra and I asked if they are going to stack it in the house and he said yes so yes I got it. When the drivers showed up they asked where I wanted it stacked and I said come in and I’ll show u and he said no I mean at the curb. I told him what lowes told me and they laughed and said lowes workers don’t know what they’re talking about. I told him ok just take it back and tell them about it. You should have saw the look on his face when I told him that. He said let me call my boss then here they started coming in the house with it and they was pissed
Id be pissed too. The driver is always getting screwed over. The drivers dispatcher probably told them curbside and paid them for that. Then when they get there it's more work for free or $20 bucks extra. May be small to the customer but for a driver time is money. ANY extra delay means a smaller paycheck...
I worked in a mom and pop flooring store for 25 years. Our prices on flooring was slightly higher, but not by much...and our installers worked solely for us. They came to the store, loaded all the flooring...and at the job site...they unloaded everything into the house.
No delivery fee or extra fee for labor of getting the goods into the home.
The home owner didn't have to worrying about how to get sometimes thousands of pounds of material from a truck into their home.
That’s a great story!!
Yeah. Story. @@calvinreichelderfer7989
Randy my man.... you sound like a jerk. I feel bad for that delivery driver. Most only deliver curbside, due to liability. You made the dude work more than he was paid for. They should have charged you a return fee and let you deal with it. You were 100% in the wrong and proud about it....
I was always told. If it's not worth 60,000$ my salary at the time don't do it. If helping a roofer out is worth your job. Do it. I'm sure that roofer will help pay your bills while you are looking for a job.
Jobs should always be set up by the contractor only. The customers only job is to sign the contract and write a check to the contractor.
No people have every right to do their own jobs and order what they need to get the shit done otherwise it won't get done and houses will fall apart because people don't have money to pay these contractors ridiculous prices. If that's what you're trying to get to let me correct your mistake
@@bobboby2400as a contractor, we'd not agree to do the project unless we're ordering all the material. This is a prime example of why. There are rare exceptions to that rule, but for 99% of all material, we must order and figure out delivery. But you're right, a client can do it their way, but usually only bottom of the barrel contractors would agree to do the project that way. Way too much risk using client supplied material,and I'd say the client is unwittingly taking on a ton of risk. Especially if they're very cost conscious, those are the ones most at risk
@@bobboby2400 That's just a dumb thing. Letting customers buy their own materials results in substandard work because the customer always goes for the cheapest options which are mostly the options where the materials are not of the best quality.
In my country the contractors have better prices than the customer can get at DIY stores because they buy in bulk and get discounts. Customers pay the same or even less for materials but get Class A materials.
@@williamgeardener2509contractors are the ones going cheap as possible. They make more when they choose cheap materials. So keep over paying for a worthless finished product
@@kennethstegall1075 You're making the mistake of applying American standards to Dutch companies. A common mistake.
Whoever invented sideshift should have a Nobel Prize!
I drive a forklift everyday, I totally agree.
@@joeparson9967 I've operated a forklift numerous times, but only one time had sideshift, and I thought I was in heaven.
@@toddburgess6792 it may not move very far but it does help.
Roof top delivery let's you roof into your late 70's. Old school running shingles up ladder done by 50...
The roofers I work around on construction sites have a gas powered lift they mount to an extension ladder and send the squares of shingles to the roof.
I always hated loading shingles with a ladder. After a while they tend to get heavy.
They are really heavy even when I help the stores build some half pallets for orders that aren't ready.
Why don't they invest into a conveyor truck maybe a boom truck.
@georgestone2083 They already lose money on every delivery, which I guarantee you 99% of people don't know that. HD is not a specialty store. There's special trucks that do drywall too. They just can't have everything.
@@georgestone2083 search laddervator
Not my job but I might've offered to split up those pallets into about 3 loads and lifted it up to the roofline so they could pull it easier and faster. Not sure if you're allowed to do anything out of the ordinary like that just figured since you said it was gonna be 115° it might've helped them out. Homeowner might even pay for your time. Can't fault you for not hassling with it tho, probably the smartest move.
If something happens its on him cant really do that nowadays
most shingles warehouses offered free roof delivery when possible 😂 the contractor should include a hand loading fee for packing shingles up 1 or 2 stories, I've loaded houses by carrying shingles up through the house and passing them out a skylight to get on top of a three story roof (it was new construction)
a laddervatory and or a shingles converyer is worth the money well spent
loading a roof in the morning is good exercise 💪
Don't let the costomer make those kinds of decisions!!!!
It is the costumers decision there the one paying they could do it their self if they want to and just order the stuff to build otherwise shit won't get done. If they have to hire somebody do it for you it's going to cost you too much cuz they charge ridiculous prices.
You did the right thing, my friend!…
Talking about safety, but drives back to the truck with his forks in the air. Whenever possible the forks stay as low to the ground as possible. That's forklift 101. Also, he could have lifted the shingles up, and the guys could have taken the shingles off and spread them over the roof.
In the late 70’s I worked for a lumber yard and did the deliveries. I was 18. I lived off my tips because the deliveries were supposed to be curbside and I’d put the material wherever the contractor wanted it. If it was super labor intensive I would give them a number, CASH, to put it where they wanted. The homeowner would also give me a tip. The contractors started ordering more from our location because of the specialty deliveries. They would request that I do the delivery. The boss made me the steady delivery guy and I got promoted to lead yard man. He gave me a healthy raise. If you apply yourself you’ll always have a job and your boss will take care of you.
You are Penske material. !!!
I wasn't amazed by the fact that we had the same attitude...we're the same age! Lol.
Not true... I've had jobs where my performance was outstanding and was not compensated fairly for my time (salary), and terminated when expressing my displeasure with the situation. Some companies want something for nothing, and some supervisors feel threatened I think... My personal experience
@@gha5243 You were such an outstanding employee that you boss fired you. That makes sense.
@@philtheheaterguy951yes, I showed up everyday and worked my tail off between 50 to 60 hours a week, and that was just the hours I put in on the clock, not including all the work I had to do from home covering shifts and making the schedule etc... the SALARY I was making was an absolute joke and I was completely being taken advantage of. I tried to communicate this with the company and I was terminated... Yes, I was an excellent employee and fired. I know it's hard for your simple mind to comprehend anything beyond what you experience in your own world, but people are taken advantage of everyday by people that have the power to do so... I know, whether you want to realize it or not
What Roofing Contractor has the Homeowner ordering their shingles? Dumbest thing ever...."I know. Lets get the 75yo retired schoolteacher to order our supplies. What could go wrong?"
Have not heard of that before either, but then maybe they do things differently in different states.
People don't realize how heavy one full pallet of shingles weighs. And to put a full pallet on one area of a roof. Good way to go through the roof.
3,400lbs
Do you think? Do you think a "conveyor belt" truck just loads the whole pallet onto its conveyor? Again...Do you think?
Oh the joys of being a local delivery driver !!! :)
Check the label on the packaging for your shingles. I fairly certain that the large pallet wax already stacked with as many bundles as is allowed. By putting the small pallet on top of it you may have exceeded the weight for the bottom layer of shingles on the large pallet. I had this happen on a hot day and the bottom two-three layers of shingle bundles. We’re so compressed they tore when trying to separate them. The cost went back to the loader.
Great video
Never drive with forks way in the air either. Also, could have lifted the pallets up, and they could take the shingles off the pallet and it would have been easier on their backs.
When I was about 20 I helped a buddy roof a fairly big house. He said we would carry the bundles up and pocket the $100 conveyor fee. It damned near killed me, what awful work! Now 40 years later, the same buddy can hardly walk anymore, after doing 40 years of stupid hard manual labor. Not worth it.
Sometimes it is not worth the risk
That's all on the roofing contractor, not getting things straight with owner beforehand.
On the flip side "What is a "roofing truck" ? LOL Years ago , I did about 20 roofs and it seemed like it was me.
Toting shingles up a ladder is good exercise, 😎, in the summer , even better. Two -stories is "Nirvana".
And you get strong doing it you learn a lot of things you get a awesome tan
lol
Amazing stacking. Not your first time 👍
Never let the customer do the material order that's the contractors job
Had a roofing company set up a shingle and replacement wood for the deck and the company that was to drop off the supplies showed up and were starting to drop it on the curb but I told him that I wanted on the right side edge of my driveway . When the contractor arrived he asked where the supplies were and I told him and he was upset but if they sat on the curb for 2-3 hours someone could come by and help themselves and I told him that and he agreed. They used the left side for their dump truck and they had a device similar to that used by bricklayers and in a little over 6 hours they had my roof and deck off and then put back on, with underlayment and everything . It was hard to believe but they had a crew of about 25 on or around the house.
Man I remember me and a buddy had to take out 3 full pallets out on the fuckin Box truck because it was one of those customers and we had no flatbed guys at the time. Of course we get there and its a 1/4mi long downhill driveway at 45 degrees cannot back down had to carry each one down one or two at a time shit sucked ass
Should have had a pickup truck go there from the owner to load up the pickup to bring it down. Don't work harder just work smarter
That's too much. Bodybuilders don't even move that much weight at a gym in 1 day. You had to be Sore the next day.
100 💯 😎 Bud..Keep Trucking..
Wow! I dont understand why the guy didnt lift the pallets to the roof for the roofers. Thats messed up.
Not his job. He delivers. He's not a roofer. Roofers have equipment that does that. They are to cheap to buy the equipment not his problem.
@terrymoody8638 so what if hes not a roofer. Hes got a forklift, the roofers dont, since the pallet is on the forklift, the forklift is only inches away from the house, all he needed to do was pull the lever and raise the pallet up instead of down, and just wait 2-3 minutes for them to unload the pallet, and then a nice gesture waive and everything is good.
@terrymoody8638 if im driving a backhoe tracker down a dirt road and there 2-3 guys digging a ditch with shovels, im not going to just drive right past them. Im gona back up to that ditch and scoop out that dirt for them. So what if its fuel and wear n tare, its just helping the guys out.
@@johnperez93640 What happens if the lift falls over? What if one of the workers falls off the house while unloading? What if the drivers boss is checking up on him? I worked for Lowes and they did check on you on occasion.
He literally explains before the end of the video. They purchased curbside delivery, so the device he brought could effectively deliver to the ground. He didn't bring another device that's made to lift really really high and not tip over. Some people don't like risking their lives, property, health, and other peoples' property just because of someone else's lack of forethought and emotional blackmail.
I made a shingle elevator for my contractor, he liked it so much he bought it from me. 😊
They are actually lucky it was delivered up next to the home and not curbside as ordered. The delivery driver would be responsible for repair had the concrete driveway cracked since his order was for curbside and should not have been off of the street!
Better roofers are now using conveyor ladders - all they have to do is load a couple of bundles on the lift and run the motor up to the roof where they're unloaded. Repeat as needed, no manual hauling of the bundles up the ladder.
As a G.C., my experience is you’re better off to hire a reputable Roofing Contractor that supplies all the materials, labor, Permits, debris disposal and Insurance (fully inclusive). As that puts the onus on them for scheduling, delivery and most importantly… help with Product Warranty. In my state, if you (as Owner) provide the materials, then the Contractor is only responsible for labor and proper installation as per Code, I.e. if you have a premature / defective shingle failure, it is the responsibility of the purchaser to deal with any claims through the manufacturer. Not to mention, most Contractors that work for “Labor Only” know these things and or aren’t sound enough financially to supply the materials for the job. IMO, the normal 15% profit / mark-up isn’t worth the hassle to coordinate the things Homeowners are usually unfamiliar with. JS
Why do people always stand in the way as if they are driving the forklift with their eyes and body position telling you how to do your job with blind hope?….. lol “MOVE!”
Click bait no one upset
what else would exspect from youtube , all liars as usual
I block channels that resort to clickbait.
Each one of them bundles is 90 lbs there isn't a cloud in the sky and they have to carry each one up a latter one at a time....their definitely mad
That’s only 18 trips up the one story ladder.
Those guys shouldn’t be too upset, roofing is a damn fine job.
Were gonna act like we didn’t hear break the pallets lmao
Homeowner did not save any money. The roofers will most likely charge an extra fee for having to take it up the ladder.
I do.
My comment is just lift the top pallet up to the height of the roof for the roofers to unload would be muchly appreciated and maybe even get you a tip. Nobody these days wants to do any more than the minimum required. A google says the lift height is 10 feet on a Moffett lift ,which is higher than that roof is. Ask the roofing guy for your hourly rate to sit while he unloads the pallet. You could even get off the lift if you are worried about stuff falling. Just my 2 cents and it might get you a delivery job every day with that roofing crew.
The roof is higher than 10ft. Maybe on the side of the house but in front of the garage that is close to 15-20ft . Not the driver or the customers fault. 100% contractors fault. For not bidding the job with the right equipment.
Then the customer should of ordered the correct equipment to get the pallets on the roof with ease. worth the extra money and saves your roofers back for the day
The whole point of my channel is to teach new operators the basics and contract requirements. I don't always practice myself what I preach. I get 2 weeks to train only so I make these videos for all the different situations I run across. Just in case a new guy needs help or just learns before he runs into the situation. Crazy but I haven't had this actual situation in 3 years and I use to get it all the time in Vegas.
@@ugabuga1361 I paused the video at 3:00 and the chain link fence is 6 foot, the roof straight up the wall is 9 feet and the peak is around 13 feet. My reference for the fence is from 3:50 with the man standing at the gate and then I just measured the screen shot, so it could be done. My point really is if you look at this situation as an opportunity to have a repeat customer. He sees you as an asset to his job you can soon have a lot of repeat customers and have no worries about getting work. Less stress of being an owner operator. Being always booked ahead is way easier on the mental aspect of business. Better sleep etc.
Your comment is worth 2 cents.
I used to put shingles on roof of one story like that. No problem
In that situation, with that low of a roof, if the roofing company made it worth the while and if your boss ok'd it, would you be willing to sit on site with the pallets boomed up so the guys could unload from the roof and not have to fight the ladder?
This is why i do the ordering of my materials
Great commercial for buying roofing from roofing supplier.
If those were set on a stack of 10-12 pallets, one guy could simply hand the bundles to another to distribute them on the roof.
the way it should be done
Roofing work is hard on the body and any mechanical advantages to lessen the strain is helpful , and appreciated. No conveyor belt to roof top is on the roofing contractor trying to save a buck .
Is there a reason you couldn't have raise it up and let them unload it onto the roof? Probably would have taken there crew 5 minutes to un pallet it all.
WOW! They were so angry that you should have feared for your life, drama queen!
3:14 That's a sign of a very experienced forklift driver. Rookies would go forward and flip or tilt the forklift forward...
You could have drove straight into where he wanted so much room to drop it closer and back put…why back up and turn and go in from the side? It’s paved how would you flip over? As it that slanted?
If it's not rooftop delivery, sorry, it's on the ground
I bet when they ordered it they did not order curbside and your company probably agreed to rooftop only to get the sale and played stupid once it arrived ! Happens every time !
Then why did he not have the truck with the conveyor to take them up to the roof.
@@63076topher Because they don't have one , it's just a sales pitch !
How much do one (1) of those Bundles Weigh ? 75lbs.-100lbs. ? Delivery to Top of Roof is Well Worth the Money. 🤔
I don't even ask for help loading my trailer when I pick up my materials.
I worked for Lowes for 10 years delivering with a Moffit and would in this case always lift the shingles. That is a low enough roof that should not have been a problem. This guy is just being a butt.
This channel is for training new operators on how to do their jobs according to the contract. What could be done isn't the goal of the Channel.
Exactly. I delivered for years and put many loads up to guys on one story like this. No problem
how true
Its only rooftop delivery from lowes or homedepot if the shingles is special order an the other company will rooftop deliver them
They can just rent one of those conveyors can't they? I've hauled roofing up a ladder a few times. That was enough for me.
I've never done roofing, but until I did this job, I didn't even know there were other trucks with booms to deliver to the roofs. I have no idea if you could rent a conveyor but I've seen other types of jobs that one would be handy also.
I'm not sure but don't they have a ladder that has a chain driven platform that hauls stuff up to the roof🤔
Why won't pay for the extra? Is it that much money?
You could have raised it up to roof level and let them take it off. Your paid by the hour , why should you care?
Pallets can be heavy, so I'll stack them together so I only have to make one trip.
He wanted you to raise it up to roof line so he could grab it.
Roofers mad they have to do the job they are hired to do? You don't say?
What's a pound is heavy why are you double stacking them? And do you normally video all deliveries? Also, you seemed to hit the garage side with the flashing. Then you complain about the customer? Did you take pictures of the damage to the garage? Any damage is still damage that was not needed. Also, where is the angery customer mentioned i. Click bait title?
Which roofer was upset? I must have missed that part of the video.
I would have raised the load up to the roof so that the workers could have unloaded it into the roof, and then hung out with the lady inside.
I roofed for 9 years. Gave the the work ethic and balls to climb cell towers nowadays. Best job you could ever have a a young man is a roofer, or even hard working laborer.
I understand not putting all the weight on the roof but you couldn't raise it up so they can take it off
Where was the upset person?
customer needs to stay out of it. If you go cheap shit happens
You want heavy try a full unit of cement panels for the siding of the house
You fine the delivery perfectly if you put all that weight on the roof it would fall through and cause alot of damage the roofers are just lazy
Some delivery company have a boom to deliver, I think it's dumb but they are out there ...
Everyone is at fault here for lack of communication.
In my best Donald Trump voice, “you’re all fired”
I tell them that's my partner in a different truck. He's running about 15 minutes behind me.
... " stack it up "
Was " stack it down " an option ?
What ever happened to those ladders that could elevate a bundle or two at a time?
This is the contractors fault for not ordering the material?
I work for abc supply and I sometimes load with the moffet. sometimes being a jerk makes company business slow then your ass will be at home because customers rather go somewhere else instead of dealing with you.
Then the roofers should've ordered it
Extra 20-30 minutes? You could've raised it high nuff to unload the peak. If not? You have no business running that forklift. I love yall kiddo
I didn't bid for road side so ull pay the difference or I don't do job
You did your job but always have Camara in lap an take pictures before you leave..... roofers have hydraulic ladders to bring up bundles as needed..
No rhe driver should had lifed the load up fr those guys, I'm a roofer an never had a problem with any supply store or drivers putting them up th e re fr us to unload. That was just a jerk that's all.
Could've been a 2 story home.
Wrong title.Nobody was upset.Quit trying to make a seem dramatic for every video
Then you should find another occupation.
Roofer should of ordered the shingles and delivery.
What about a ladder lift?
I haven't seen that. But now I'm gonna have to look it up.
@@moffett.flatbed.training The roofers should have one.
I drive flatbed for the orange company and roofers always try that shit with me and I don’t know how many times iv almost gotten in fights over it so I got a GoPro 13 with the head mount and all that shit stopped..general contractors are the worst they want you to move there shit around so you can put your product down and when you say no it’s the same old story..try to get you fired or cus you out
If a boom truck was in the bill they should upcharge
Could have easily backed up onto the road and put the pallet where he wanted it on the driveway
Also don’t see anyone upset
This is why you don't let customers work with you.
Why couldn’t you raise the pallet up and just let them off load it in 5mins bro. Everyone wants to go home early
Because they DID NOT pay for that they paid CURBSIDE he gave them more than the paid for by pulling it into the driveway.
Who uses oakridge when duration is only a few bucks more per square. Amateurs.
Hire a roofing company with a conveyer belt