Did anyone else catch the audio loop at 1:45? He says the line about grit and punch twice in a row. Just thought my coffee hadn't kicked in yet, but nope. It's definitely the same line.
If you've ever edited audio, you know how easy it is to make that kind of mistake. It may have been a second take, and whoever edited the video left it in. Or it was the same take and it accidentally got pasted in twice while chopping audio and moving it around. I've heard podcasts that had a whole 10 minute chunk repeated. I thought I was going crazy.
It does happen fairly often, it's not an uncommon thing when editing an audio. Try doing a long podcast as suggested in the replies here. You can get it sections or possibly almost all of it looping.
Spot on. Showgirls is a savage, funny (on purpose), cartoonishly vulgar and massively ironic takedown of Show Biz, specifically the rags-to-riches myth (genre) that permeates not just entertainment, but American culture in general. A recurring theme here is the increasing inability of critics to understand satire, especially as time goes on. Also, Keanu Reeves: always really thought that performance was hilarious (on purpose). HIs character has no "agency" (his entire function in the plot is to give Dracula a photo and react to his strange castle and behavior) so reading lines like a Cali stoner makes perfect sense.
I was an extra in Showgirls when I was fresh off the bus in Los Angeles way back when. I thought it was an awesome experience. And I always enjoyed the movie, but perhaps I was biased.
People are really weird! Showgirls is a move whit grate actors, that did their job exactly as they were supposed to. It`s a movie, not a documentary , is supposed to be exaggerated. I love the movie when it came out and still do.
As a story, it was little more than soft core porn. The writing was silly, and it could have been much more enjoyable if it hadn't (at least ostensibly) taken itself so seriously. I'd compare it to Mega Shark Versus Giant Octopus: a movie that was clearly meant to be silly, but it undermined itself by trying to be thoughtful and by offering few clues or intentional jokes for people to find humor in the implausibility. If it had taken the Sharknado route of laughing at itself, and ditched all the soap opera backstabbing drama, I don't have a shred of doubt that it would be remembered much more fondly today than it is. To my view, it is rightly remembered as a joke that isn't funny.
The lesson from Solo is that mysterious characters don't benefit from having that mystery removed. Han is appealing because he's taciturn and closed off. By showing us his back story, the storytellers cheapened what was compelling about his character in the first place.
YES!!! That is the same mistake that the prequels made regarding the Force (setting aside the urban legend that Chuck Norris was the Force in the entire franchise)!!! Rule #1-DON'T SHOW THE MCGUFFIN!!! We never saw in the box in "7," or the briefcase in "Pulp Fiction," or even ever saw "The Maltese Falcon." Solo's mystery helped drive the series because we never knew why he did what for-until he fell in love with Leia. These things help tell the story, don't show us what's behind the curtain.
I agree totally! I know this is a bit of a stretch, but I had this exact same problem with Prometheus - just like Han Solo, part of the Xenomorph's appeal from the Alien franchise is the audience doesn't know how it came to be. When a character is so iconic, no backstory can do him/her/it justice. Best to leave it to the imagination than ruin it entirely by explaining it - even if the explanation is well-done.
@sagefoole couldnt disagree more. Shows you lack any creativity and dont know how to end or start a story. The only reason han worked was cause it was Harrison Ford. You learn Luke's story. You learn obi wans story. You learn anakins story. You learn leias story. The only person you dont learn about is han. But it's on par with George. Almost all his "writing" is elementary at best and down right stupidity at worst.
I want REDEMPTION for Elizabeth Berkeley. Just like Faye Dunaway in Mommie Dearest, SHE DID HER JOB AND SHE DID IT WELL FOR WHAT THE ROLE REQUIRED. People truly think actors have that much control over their performances. I view Showgirls as a twisted fractured fairy tale lowkey. Nomi is our princess who will do what it takes to become the queen. Elizabeth was OVER-EXAGGERATED AF. Yes, director “steered her wrong” in YOUR opinion; but I think people were too focused on the OUTLANDISH-NESS of the entire project and they just made Elizabeth the scapegoat. Idk how you can’t see that her acting FITS the wackiness and EXTRAVAGANT nature of the piece. Also, it was the 90s. Ppl were still trying to hold on to decency that was dying FASTER AND FASTER., so they more than likely projected all of their hate onto the character of Nomi and Elizabeth for playing her. I.E NOT MY JESSIE SPANO. She definitely took the most heat tho. Joe was still able to make movies. I love the risks she took. I loved her commitment to this crazy project. And I love that of everything that happens, SHE is the one to watch. That’s what great acting is suppose to do. If ya don’t like the movie, that’s your opinion to have. But for her career to be STOPPED because of it was ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS IMO. Elizabeth deserves a huge apology from THE WORLD. SN: the Versace conversation is damn near David Lynch excellence.
Whatever, my guy... Showgirls was a shitty movie. Like it's literally a single step above soft core porn. In production value, acting, screen writing, the whole shabang. And Elizabeth Berkley was so miscast in that role that it wasn't even funny. Until you saw it for yourself, then it's hilarious... that movie fucking sucks and it gets worse every year that it isn't purged from existence.
@@deandrenicholas2545 great viewpoint! That’s what most people say. I happen to feel the exact opposite. Most people just don’t get camp either. Never have.
@@Tanstaafl_74 not necessarily true cause most of “the business” is run by idiots. I can totally see her not getting another shot; not everyone needs a comeback Ironically, we see my first point in Showgirls! 😂
Starship Troopers also satirized the Baywatch/ Friends/ Beverly Hills 90210 aesthetic of 1990s American TV shows. Though it's not nearly as obvious 25 years in hindsight, the dark humor involved in turning vapid pretty young things into screaming gory messes was obvious to anyone with eyes and a brain at the time of that film's release.
In the original novel by Robert Heinlein, Johnny Rico turns out to be Philippino. His wealthy parents owed a house in Buenos Aires, among other places, but still spoke Tagalog at home.
I'd argue Val Kilmer never was hated for his performance in Batman Forever, it was a big summer hit in 1995, made a lot of money...unfortunately this success lead to Batman and Robin, and Batman Forever has never been forgiven since. But, this view is not the "consensus" for the internet age of discussion. Bob Kane spoke highly of Kilmer's interpretation too.
It's a pity Val Kilmer never nailed it as Batman, as Bruce Wayne however, I couldn't fault his performance. The opposite is true for Michael Keaton, a lousy turn as Bruce Wayne, but as Batman, the only actor to beat him in a live-action movie was Christian Bale.
@@universalAxisno thank yoy. The only Batman that was worse than Kilmer is Clooney. Batman Forever was not a good film. Neither of the Shumacher Batman movies were any good at all...
Yeah Batman Forever was fine. Not sure what he's on about there. It wasn't the greatest Batman movie ever but it's certainly not worth dumping on. Kilmer did a perfectly fine job of what the script allowed him to do showing Wayne's suave side pretty well. He did a pretty generic job of playing Batman (as opposed to Wayne) but the script didn't exactly allow for much more than that and honestly it was good enough for what ended up being a decent popcorn movie.
The bad thing is they left dialog in the script that matched what the book Reacher actually could do. When the girl from the auto store gets murdered, when investigating there is a line something to the effect "Do you know if there's anyone staying here that could kill someone with a single blow?" which with Alan Ritchson's Reacher makes sense, but Tom Cruise not so much. Plus there was the bar fight scene too just with the way he fought it was like giantman-fu that felt out of place.
The problem with the movie was the marketing. It was marketed as a family friendly action movie as opposed to a self-aware parody. A lot of people didn't like that. It also wan't the change of direction in Schwarzenegger's movies. That was Kindergarten Cop 2 years earlier.
I liked several of these movies though I wouldn't call any of them genius. I do think poor Elizabeth Berkley got screwed (no pun intended) for Showgirls. The direction, Paul Verhoeven, TOLD her to overact and kept making her do it until it was ridiculously over the top and made it appear she couldn't act. He ruined her career for years because of that crap
That's such bullshit, we all watched Saved by The Bell, we all know Berkley can't act for shit. She did what pretty much every teenage girl who got famous in a wholesome family friendly show does: Got sexeh! Or at least tried.
I loved last action hero. I loved when he first came out of the movie, and he was chasing the bad guy, the bad guy car jacked someone, and Schwarzenegger started shooting at the car. When the car didn't blow up by bullets he looked at his gun like it was broken, because he was surprised that the car didn't blow up
You severely underestimate the stupidity of the average American movie going audience at the time. People not understanding the satire was mostly a problem there, and much less so for international audiences.
My guy there are fascists *today* who don't realize (or refuse to realize) that Starship Troopers (and similar works like The Boys and Helldivers) are satirizing them and their worldviews.
@@TimberWolf99 Having witnessed only overseas military adventures employing disproportionately black, brown, and poor white soldiers, most American fascists have contempt for military personnel (and often for any kind of earnestness, in general). Why would they object to the satire in Starship Troopers? The in-universe propaganda makes them feel vicariously clever.
i didn't realize for most of the runtime, because i went into it expecting a serious film. i thought it was a serious film that was just weird and bad for a while there. same thing happened with the Princess Bride, tho
0:14 Well put! 😎 A lot of people need to give subjectivity some serious thought. Pleased to say I haven't seen any damaging trends from this channel's audience, though.
I saw Starship Troopers in highschool when it came out in the cinemas. I knew going in it was a satire on fascism. How critics of the time may have missed that is baffling.
David Arquette As Gordy "The Law" Briggs Ready To Rumble (2000) as a young Wrestling fan I loved this movie It was entertaining also I watched WWE Smackdown every Friday In High School David Arquette made that movie very funny and I found his performance not too offensive honestly
Dolph Lundgren as Frank Castle in The Punisher. He played Frank Castle with a cold detachment, as though something was dead inside of him. While this was because of his self-admitted limited acting ability, it fit the character perfectly.
@@johnnygrandomstuff5882 That was another role suited for Lundgren. He was both simultaneously inhuman yet crazy and that level of being off was perfect for him. And did you ever notice how the actress who played the reporter had her head tilted to varying degrees in damn near EVERY shot she's in?
So 2 things 1 I absolutely love last action hero, the movie is great and it's a shame it wasn't as loved then as I love it now And 2 the way George lazenby reacts to Tracy's death in ohmss is the most devastated I've ever seen James bond and made me feel for the character. I haven't seen a such heartbreaking bond moment from then till no time to die
Once again I am forced to accept that my tastes in movies is diametrically opposed to the mainstream. I thought Val Kilmer was the best of all the Batmans. And though I got the symbolism in Starship Troopers I thought Casper Van Diem played his part with the appropriate degree of stick-up-my-butt tunnel vision that I have associated with the Nazi agenda.
00:50 "Reacher?" Really? The Amazon show's actor *looks* more like the book character, but *acts* so vastly differently, especially by comparison to Tom Cruise's portrayal in the films, I'm sincerely a bit baffled. Looks matter more than writing & acting to many, I guess? 🤷🤷♂🤷♀
For the Tom Cruise version, they changed some things to suit him better. For example, the fight outside the bar-that was just for Cruise. People who liked the books complained because that wouldn’t have happened. In the books, he’s so big and intimidating that those three men would have run off scared. But since Cruise is smaller, they doubt him and he proves them wrong. That’s the difference and why you didn’t notice it just watching the movie.
I've defended so many of these roles throughout my life, and it's so refreshing to see more people finally understand and appreciate that none of these were bad, and many of them were genuinely great performances.
The one that I always thought should be on a list like this is Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker. I've heard so many people rail against that portrayal of the pre- Darth Vader (partly the script and partly his performance) as a whiny little punk, but I think that;s exactly what he should have been. Let's face it, bullies are nothing more than self absorbed punks who happen to have been endowed with a disproportionate amount of power and use it to torment others because of their own psychological shortcomings. They nailed it. And that doesn't make the eventual Darth Vader character any less frightening.
My issue with Hayden wasn't that he was a whiny punk; its that a block of wood emotes in a more natural way. Natalie was just as bad in some scenes. I blame Lucas these days, though
The funny thing about Cruise as Reacher is he nails everything BUT the appearance. The problem is that Reachers appearance is a large part of the character. He is supposed to be a guy that us visibly imposing and intimidating, someone that is ridiculously strong. Watching Cruise carry himself in this manner, which he totally does, is a little distracting. As is portions of dialog that refer to him looking strong enough to kill a girl with one punch. I love the movie, but it was a poor casting choice on those grounds.
Poor Lazenby! OHMSS is a cracking film, Savalas is awesome and Lazenby gets to crack probably one of the best Bond one liners, right at the start before the credits when the girl scarpers, he ponders with a wry smile, 'This never happened to the other fella!' Brilliant.
LOVE seeing On Her Majesty's Secret Service on this list! This has always been one of my favorite Bond films and is on my yearly Christmastime Action Flicks watchlist. Also, Last Action Hero & Starship Troopers - but both finally started getting their much deserved respect a few years ago.
Paint Your Wagon will always be one of my favorites. Great music. Clint and Lee Marvin are both funny. I'm glad someone else is showing the Musical some love.
Showgirls is a brilliant movie. Great story, nice cast, good performances. And Elizabeth Berkley is GORGEOUS. Also, Starship Troopers is a great movie too in every aspect. James Bond were never my thing. I find them boring and nonsensical. But with good cast most of them. I prefer the Johnny English type of movies.
There's a difference between the cartoonish Bonds (Moore & Brosnan) and the more grounded, gritty Bonds (especially early Connery & early Craig). The latter don't deserve to be brought down by the silliness of the former.
@@smartalek180 I know. But Bond's movies never "got" me for some reason. I don't hate them but I will not watch them if I can do something better. You know, I really liked the vintage Get Smart tv series. That was great.
George Lazenby was actually offered the role of James Bond after the one movie he made but he turned down the offer. That is why they persuaded Connery to come back
i think keanu's sort of 'vaguely present' acting style WORKS better here. First bits, he's tired, a bit disoriented, and sort of on the edge nerves wise. Later, he's LITERALLY drained of his vitality. Last action hero, too. It's not meant to be his normal roles then, but a bit of a deconstruction.
Here's an interesting story. When Showgirls was released on blu-ray it was immediately pulled from shelves at Wal-Mart. I liked the movie, and since I was working in electronics at the time, I managed to purchase it before the recall. It was recalled for explicit material. Meanwhile, just on the other isle there was a movie called, The Human Centipede. A few weeks later, Scary Movie 2, a movie that depicted a clown puppet dragging a guy underneath a bed, by a snaking penis, with the clown being sexualy assaulted buy the guy, was place in the family section. BTW. Years later I saw a video claiming Showgirls was a racist film. OK. Where did everyone's brains go? This entire story is absolutely absurd. However, it is real. Oh, and the story of Showgirls is more realistic than people want to acknowledge.
Never realised last action hero was considered a flop until it was on a what culture list a little while back. First saw it as a kid, loved it, friends love it, family love it. One of his best roles
None of those performances were SECRETLY GENIUS. Those are examples of "Movies that aren't so bad, according to our author". From a headline like this, I expected to learn about actors putting extreme effort, like method acting or body change, into a role that won them a Razzie or something. Performances, not movies. Hated, not underappreciated. Genius, not "quite okay".
Is it bad that I always liked most of these performances? Also... AsterISK not Asterix... Asterix is a Franco-Belgian cartoon Gaul from 1959, an Asterisk is a *
I think it's a mistake to dwell on a director's intentions. It's just not a good sign for a movie when there is a decades long debate about whether or not it is satire.
The only reason Lazeby is remembered like that is because that movie was as 60s as it gets. Imagine Connery in those costumes. The movie wasn't bad, it just suffered for its time.
i've seen those kinds of editing mistakes in lots of UA-cam videos across many types of channels. It's nothing to do with AI, it's just the person reading the script doing more than 1 take, and then 2 takes being included by accident. its super sloppy and annoying every time it happens. the weird pronunciation is just how this presenter talks; weird accent
when 'paint your wagon' was released, it wasn't a big deal that eastwood sang. he didn't have his big tough rep quite as firmly in place as his co-star - lee marvin - and lee was actually the target of people remembering one thing about that movie. for the same reason you acribe to clint. he sang, and quite memorably.
Trying to justify Keanu's performance in Dracula is just stupid. Yes we all love him, but that performance is terrible and by far the worst of the film.
In fairness to Reeves, it's not his performance that's bad, so much as his accent. It's just that his accent is so overwhelmingly awful, it overshadowed the rest of his performance, which was basically okay. His performance is on par with Winona Rider's, but her accent isn't nearly as bad as his, so it's not as jarring.
@@gregbasore2108I lay the blame fully on Coppola. The moment he heard Reeves's accent, he should have done a quick rewrite and either A. Have Reeves speak naturally and change the character to be American or B. Let Reeves keep the accent and explain Harkness was an Englishman who was schooled in the US during his teenage and early 20s, resulting in a Trans-Atlantic accent. A couple lines of dialogue could have easily fixed the problem.
I didn't hate Casper Van Dien's performance in Starship Troopers. Denise Richards' performance on the other hand... Context: I did get most of the satirical aspects of the film at the time (NPH's gestapo uniform was a bit blatant, let's face it), but the I'll admit the Nazi propaganda film references did sail over my head; I remember thinking the barracks looked too 'clean' for instance, but I now see why. But I'd recommend anyone who's not seen that film in a long time to give it a rewatch with that in mind because the CGI has aged like a fine wine in that respect. Still can't appreciate Denise Richards, though.
Another correction for WhatCulture, Paint Your Wagon is a great movie with brilliant and is better known for Wanderin' Star and Clint Eastwood singing 😎👍🏻
I thought that Kilmer played Bruce Wayne well, the issue why Batman Forever probably made him regret it is the over the top acting of Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey.
Keanu Reeves performance in Bram Stoker's fit perfectly for his character and Last Action Hero is such an underrated movie but as always that's just my opinion
Thank you for the nod to Val kilmer. I always loved Batman forever and I thought you did a pretty darn good job I figured if he had done another film you would have gotten a feel for his character getting flushed out all the way
Paint your wagon makes me 100% certain that if someone ever makes a Clint Eastwoood bio-movie, Hugh Jackman should play him; he's tough enough, can sing, can act, and most importantly it resembles Eastwood (IMO)
I really liked Val Kilmer’s performance in Batman Forever, too. I hope that the Schumaker director’s cut is released one day (though that is unlikely). Another performance that could have made the list is Jared Leto in House of Gucci. I know, that one is really hated, but, like I’ve heard someone say, he seemed to be the one person on the cast to have “gotten the memo” (knew what the movie should have been going for).
I agree with a lot of points made in this video but there are 2 stand out movies here that I think get way too much flak. Batman Forever and Last Action Hero. Allow me to explain; Possibly because I was in the pre-teen/mid-teen demographic when these movies released and therefore the exact target audience but I personally love these films. Batman Forever has the perfect mix of camp comic book over the top performances and action emblematic of 90's films, think about The Mask, a film hated by comic book purists but fondly remembered by most kids from the 90's. BF also keeps some of the dark brooding from the Burton films, introduces Robin with a suitably tragic back story. Really it's the villains that sell it, Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones are pitch perfect, for this film, that doesn't mean they are the quintessential portrayals of those characters but they turn in the best performances for the film they were making. Imagine swapping Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger, 2 amazing Jokers but they would be totally wrong in each others films. Then we have Last Action Hero, to me this film is Schwarzenegger's Demolition Man, it's quotable, it's got great action, it's got social and pop culture commentary, genuinely good performances by every cast member. It's magical, it's fantasy, it's fun. 'nuff said.
Never had a problem with Jack Reacher as played by Tom Cruise. Just another case where people stupidly get worked up over "It's not true to the book!" when the movie is just perfectly fine on its own merits.
Listened to the narrator repeating himself verbatim in the Tom Cruise/Reacher segment, like he did not really have anything else to say. However, he is a Simpsons fan, which says it all IMO.
Starship Troopers is probably the worst movie I've ever loved. With it's abysmal acting, terrible script and the white-washing of the characters. But it's such a fun spectacle because of it's top notch special effects. They blew me away in '97, and they still look great almost 30 years later.
I rank On Her Majetys' Secret Service as weakest in Bond franchise, and Lazenby is only part of problem. But it's not complete disaster. For example Diana Rigg is perfect as countess Tracy. She's my favorite bondgirl, no wonder 007 married her.
I actually enjoyed the Solo movie and think it suffered from poor PR vs being bad itself. As someone said Eckhart was playing a young Hans Solo not a young Harrison Ford and the word of mouth killed it vs people giving it a chance.
The only Tom cruise movie I like is Legend and as for Val kilmer and Nicole Kidman i loved their performances in Batman Forever, then agian I was the age demographic at the time.
I dunno, maybe, just maybe, some people expected the movie to bear some relationship to THE BOOK IT WAS SUPPOSEDLY BASED ON! It isn't, in fact everything about the film especially Verhoven's admission that he did not read the book, is an insult to everyone who ever read the book and the memory of Robert A. Heinlein who also wrote Stranger in a Strange Land aka "the hippie bible" and invented waterbeds and robotic manipulator arms (Waldos, a term he also created), and 37 plus other things he created in enough detail in his books for the patent office to give him the patent.
The Siskel and Ebert (the most popular critics at the time) review can be found on UA-cam, if you are curious. The satire went over their heads. It seems that they had watched so many low-budget, bad sci-fi movies, that their first reaction was that this was just a high-budget, bad sci-fi movie. The satire part went over their heads. They just complained about an overly long movie with uninteresting aliens.
I think that its funny how Tommy Lee Jones couldent stand Jim carrys buffoonery but he portrayed two face as more comically homicidal then serious homicidal.
I liked Solo, just really can’t get on board with Emily Clark in anything, and seriously hated things like the way he got “solo” as a name. uhhhgh really?
I still really like the Han Solo movie i think to me it is atill one of the best Star Wars movies since Disney took over i have not been a big fan of the rest of rhem really Solo is awesome
Yeah it's well known Verhoeven had no idea what the premise was for Heinlein's novel so he just made up a thing with the writers and it totally back-fired. The casting of Van Dein did kind of jar as chisel-jawed Argentinian with the Book's Johnny Rico being Fillipino
I've always heard it the other way around, i.e. that Verhoeven hated the message of the story and deliberately made the movie version a mockery of the book.
Critics don't know anything!!! 10) I liked "Jack Reacher!" 09) Never saw "Paint Your Wagon," 08) "Starship Trooper" was pretty damn good! Then again, I saw the lampooning, 07) Keanu Reeves did well as Harker, but his accent was lacking... 06) OK, "Rambo III" was milking the franchise too far. "First Blood" did tell a very important tale, but was a bit of 80's machismo, 05) I enjoyed "Solo: A Star Wars Story" but I am really tired of the whole Disney-fication of Star Wars-to the point that I've bailed on anything Star Wars, 04) Kilmer did a poor job as Batman, but he was great as Bruce Wayne and Jim Carrey was great as the Riddler, 03) Lazenby didn't doo too bad a job as Bond, but as the host noted; he had to follow Connery and that was a Herculean task for anyone, 02) I love "The Last Action Hero!" It was the pinnacle of parody films!!! 01) OK, "Showgirls" is a guilty, campy, naughty pleasure...
I think it was generally understood at the time that Starship Troopers was a satire on military propaganda films. But it was named after, and took a lot of material from, an influential and important novel by Robert Heinlein. In order to mock its source material it started by decerebrating Heinlein's story - and while the novel was problematic in many ways and dated, especially by its sexism, it wasn't dumb. The central character is Filipino, and the film wants to look like a Nazi propaganda film, so that was switched to white. Anything intellectual, like the discussion of the governmental system, is removed. The director cared so little for his source material he didn't bother to read it. He didn't like the idea of fighting a technological arthropod eusocial opponent so he replaced it with farting bugs. Stripped of Heinlein's name and story it might have been an OK film but to rope in the novel just to present a dumbed-down version as a straw man was tasteless.
Did anyone else catch the audio loop at 1:45? He says the line about grit and punch twice in a row.
Just thought my coffee hadn't kicked in yet, but nope. It's definitely the same line.
It happens a lot
If you've ever edited audio, you know how easy it is to make that kind of mistake. It may have been a second take, and whoever edited the video left it in. Or it was the same take and it accidentally got pasted in twice while chopping audio and moving it around.
I've heard podcasts that had a whole 10 minute chunk repeated. I thought I was going crazy.
I came to the comments to make sure I wasn’t the only one that heard that. 😂
@@jasoncowgill752 the only one that heard that. 😂
It does happen fairly often, it's not an uncommon thing when editing an audio. Try doing a long podcast as suggested in the replies here. You can get it sections or possibly almost all of it looping.
Spot on. Showgirls is a savage, funny (on purpose), cartoonishly vulgar and massively ironic takedown of Show Biz, specifically the rags-to-riches myth (genre) that permeates not just entertainment, but American culture in general. A recurring theme here is the increasing inability of critics to understand satire, especially as time goes on. Also, Keanu Reeves: always really thought that performance was hilarious (on purpose). HIs character has no "agency" (his entire function in the plot is to give Dracula a photo and react to his strange castle and behavior) so reading lines like a Cali stoner makes perfect sense.
I was an extra in Showgirls when I was fresh off the bus in Los Angeles way back when. I thought it was an awesome experience. And I always enjoyed the movie, but perhaps I was biased.
People are really weird! Showgirls is a move whit grate actors, that did their job exactly as they were supposed to.
It`s a movie, not a documentary , is supposed to be exaggerated. I love the movie when it came out and still do.
As a story, it was little more than soft core porn. The writing was silly, and it could have been much more enjoyable if it hadn't (at least ostensibly) taken itself so seriously. I'd compare it to Mega Shark Versus Giant Octopus: a movie that was clearly meant to be silly, but it undermined itself by trying to be thoughtful and by offering few clues or intentional jokes for people to find humor in the implausibility. If it had taken the Sharknado route of laughing at itself, and ditched all the soap opera backstabbing drama, I don't have a shred of doubt that it would be remembered much more fondly today than it is. To my view, it is rightly remembered as a joke that isn't funny.
I'm sure you must have some interesting stories about making the movie.
The lesson from Solo is that mysterious characters don't benefit from having that mystery removed. Han is appealing because he's taciturn and closed off. By showing us his back story, the storytellers cheapened what was compelling about his character in the first place.
Force awakens did far more damage to Han than solo story ever did.
YES!!! That is the same mistake that the prequels made regarding the Force (setting aside the urban legend that Chuck Norris was the Force in the entire franchise)!!! Rule #1-DON'T SHOW THE MCGUFFIN!!! We never saw in the box in "7," or the briefcase in "Pulp Fiction," or even ever saw "The Maltese Falcon." Solo's mystery helped drive the series because we never knew why he did what for-until he fell in love with Leia. These things help tell the story, don't show us what's behind the curtain.
we see all we need of Han is just from him meeting Greedo and shooting first - he didn't need more
I agree totally! I know this is a bit of a stretch, but I had this exact same problem with Prometheus - just like Han Solo, part of the Xenomorph's appeal from the Alien franchise is the audience doesn't know how it came to be.
When a character is so iconic, no backstory can do him/her/it justice. Best to leave it to the imagination than ruin it entirely by explaining it - even if the explanation is well-done.
@sagefoole couldnt disagree more. Shows you lack any creativity and dont know how to end or start a story. The only reason han worked was cause it was Harrison Ford. You learn Luke's story. You learn obi wans story. You learn anakins story. You learn leias story. The only person you dont learn about is han. But it's on par with George. Almost all his "writing" is elementary at best and down right stupidity at worst.
I want REDEMPTION for Elizabeth Berkeley. Just like Faye Dunaway in Mommie Dearest, SHE DID HER JOB AND SHE DID IT WELL FOR WHAT THE ROLE REQUIRED. People truly think actors have that much control over their performances.
I view Showgirls as a twisted fractured fairy tale lowkey. Nomi is our princess who will do what it takes to become the queen. Elizabeth was OVER-EXAGGERATED AF. Yes, director “steered her wrong” in YOUR opinion; but I think people were too focused on the OUTLANDISH-NESS of the entire project and they just made Elizabeth the scapegoat. Idk how you can’t see that her acting FITS the wackiness and EXTRAVAGANT nature of the piece. Also, it was the 90s. Ppl were still trying to hold on to decency that was dying FASTER AND FASTER., so they more than likely projected all of their hate onto the character of Nomi and Elizabeth for playing her. I.E NOT MY JESSIE SPANO. She definitely took the most heat tho. Joe was still able to make movies.
I love the risks she took. I loved her commitment to this crazy project. And I love that of everything that happens, SHE is the one to watch. That’s what great acting is suppose to do.
If ya don’t like the movie, that’s your opinion to have. But for her career to be STOPPED because of it was ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS IMO. Elizabeth deserves a huge apology from THE WORLD.
SN: the Versace conversation is damn near David Lynch excellence.
Well, she never could act. If she could act she would have made a comeback.
Whatever, my guy... Showgirls was a shitty movie. Like it's literally a single step above soft core porn. In production value, acting, screen writing, the whole shabang. And Elizabeth Berkley was so miscast in that role that it wasn't even funny. Until you saw it for yourself, then it's hilarious... that movie fucking sucks and it gets worse every year that it isn't purged from existence.
@@deandrenicholas2545 great viewpoint! That’s what most people say.
I happen to feel the exact opposite. Most people just don’t get camp either. Never have.
@@Tanstaafl_74 not necessarily true cause most of “the business” is run by idiots. I can totally see her not getting another shot; not everyone needs a comeback
Ironically, we see my first point in Showgirls! 😂
Starship Troopers also satirized the Baywatch/ Friends/ Beverly Hills 90210 aesthetic of 1990s American TV shows. Though it's not nearly as obvious 25 years in hindsight, the dark humor involved in turning vapid pretty young things into screaming gory messes was obvious to anyone with eyes and a brain at the time of that film's release.
I just realized that Johnny Rico was from Argentina as well. With what starship troopers is based on, that makes things darkly hilarious
In the original novel by Robert Heinlein, Johnny Rico turns out to be Philippino. His wealthy parents owed a house in Buenos Aires, among other places, but still spoke Tagalog at home.
@@user-mg5mv2tn8q oh wow! That’s interesting!
I'd argue Val Kilmer never was hated for his performance in Batman Forever, it was a big summer hit in 1995, made a lot of money...unfortunately this success lead to Batman and Robin, and Batman Forever has never been forgiven since. But, this view is not the "consensus" for the internet age of discussion. Bob Kane spoke highly of Kilmer's interpretation too.
Totally agree!
It's a pity Val Kilmer never nailed it as Batman, as Bruce Wayne however, I couldn't fault his performance. The opposite is true for Michael Keaton, a lousy turn as Bruce Wayne, but as Batman, the only actor to beat him in a live-action movie was Christian Bale.
Yeah: I don’t mind Kilmer in the role; just Joel as director.
@@universalAxisno thank yoy. The only Batman that was worse than Kilmer is Clooney. Batman Forever was not a good film. Neither of the Shumacher Batman movies were any good at all...
Yeah Batman Forever was fine. Not sure what he's on about there. It wasn't the greatest Batman movie ever but it's certainly not worth dumping on. Kilmer did a perfectly fine job of what the script allowed him to do showing Wayne's suave side pretty well. He did a pretty generic job of playing Batman (as opposed to Wayne) but the script didn't exactly allow for much more than that and honestly it was good enough for what ended up being a decent popcorn movie.
I enjoyed Reacher and had no problems with Cruises acting. He just didn't match the physical description of Reacher
The bad thing is they left dialog in the script that matched what the book Reacher actually could do. When the girl from the auto store gets murdered, when investigating there is a line something to the effect "Do you know if there's anyone staying here that could kill someone with a single blow?" which with Alan Ritchson's Reacher makes sense, but Tom Cruise not so much. Plus there was the bar fight scene too just with the way he fought it was like giantman-fu that felt out of place.
Last Action Hero is a top 10 Schwarzenegger film and one of the best 90s action films, don't even @ me
Gonna @ you anyway because I agree.
The problem with the movie was the marketing. It was marketed as a family friendly action movie as opposed to a self-aware parody. A lot of people didn't like that.
It also wan't the change of direction in Schwarzenegger's movies. That was Kindergarten Cop 2 years earlier.
Agreed. When I got around to watching it to see a "bad movie", I thought:" Wait a minute, I like this one".
Just seeing Arnie as Hamlet makes this worth watching! And there's much more than that. I love this movie :)
Agreed
I liked several of these movies though I wouldn't call any of them genius. I do think poor Elizabeth Berkley got screwed (no pun intended) for Showgirls. The direction, Paul Verhoeven, TOLD her to overact and kept making her do it until it was ridiculously over the top and made it appear she couldn't act. He ruined her career for years because of that crap
That's such bullshit, we all watched Saved by The Bell, we all know Berkley can't act for shit. She did what pretty much every teenage girl who got famous in a wholesome family friendly show does: Got sexeh! Or at least tried.
I think everyone was coked to the gills on that set which didn’t help.
@@Chiller11 I'd believe that
I love Dracula. Johnny Depp was almost cast as Jonathan Harker, curious how it would have turned out.
I loved last action hero. I loved when he first came out of the movie, and he was chasing the bad guy, the bad guy car jacked someone, and Schwarzenegger started shooting at the car. When the car didn't blow up by bullets he looked at his gun like it was broken, because he was surprised that the car didn't blow up
I refuse to believe anyone didnt realise Starship troopers was satire when they saw it.
You severely underestimate the stupidity of the average American movie going audience at the time. People not understanding the satire was mostly a problem there, and much less so for international audiences.
My guy there are fascists *today* who don't realize (or refuse to realize) that Starship Troopers (and similar works like The Boys and Helldivers) are satirizing them and their worldviews.
@@TimberWolf99 Having witnessed only overseas military adventures employing disproportionately black, brown, and poor white soldiers, most American fascists have contempt for military personnel (and often for any kind of earnestness, in general). Why would they object to the satire in Starship Troopers? The in-universe propaganda makes them feel vicariously clever.
I didn't, I watched it when I was 17, I just thought it was a comic style movie about the future when humans fought alien races of insects
i didn't realize for most of the runtime, because i went into it expecting a serious film. i thought it was a serious film that was just weird and bad for a while there. same thing happened with the Princess Bride, tho
I've always felt On Her Majesty's Secret Service and George Lazenby's performance were very underrated.
(Timothy Dalton, too.)
Timothy Dalton is often regarded as one of the best in acting department for Bond actors
Timothy Dalton is a great actor who suffered from awful scripts. Licence to kill was the lowpoint of the entire franchise.
0:14 Well put! 😎 A lot of people need to give subjectivity some serious thought. Pleased to say I haven't seen any damaging trends from this channel's audience, though.
I saw Starship Troopers in highschool when it came out in the cinemas. I knew going in it was a satire on fascism. How critics of the time may have missed that is baffling.
I love that Paul Verhoeven is on here twice for his campiness.
David Arquette As Gordy "The Law" Briggs Ready To Rumble (2000) as a young Wrestling fan I loved this movie It was entertaining also I watched WWE Smackdown every Friday In High School David Arquette made that movie very funny and I found his performance not too offensive honestly
There are a lot of problems with this, of course, but my head canon is that the Jack Reacher shown is a vacationing Ethan Hunt.
Dolph Lundgren as Frank Castle in The Punisher. He played Frank Castle with a cold detachment, as though something was dead inside of him. While this was because of his self-admitted limited acting ability, it fit the character perfectly.
Dolph lundgren as sgt Andrew Scott in universal soldier is fucking awesome
@@johnnygrandomstuff5882 That was another role suited for Lundgren. He was both simultaneously inhuman yet crazy and that level of being off was perfect for him.
And did you ever notice how the actress who played the reporter had her head tilted to varying degrees in damn near EVERY shot she's in?
I dont care what anyone says, i loved Showgirls. The camp made it what it is and its a fun watch. Not every movie has to be so serious.
So 2 things
1 I absolutely love last action hero, the movie is great and it's a shame it wasn't as loved then as I love it now
And 2 the way George lazenby reacts to Tracy's death in ohmss is the most devastated I've ever seen James bond and made me feel for the character. I haven't seen a such heartbreaking bond moment from then till no time to die
Once again I am forced to accept that my tastes in movies is diametrically opposed to the mainstream.
I thought Val Kilmer was the best of all the Batmans.
And though I got the symbolism in Starship Troopers I thought Casper Van Diem played his part with the appropriate degree of stick-up-my-butt tunnel vision that I have associated with the Nazi agenda.
I partially disagree-Val Kilmer was one of the best Bruce Waynes ever...
He’s grown younger is the Keanu line that lingers in my head from Dracula. I know I’m one of the few but I enjoy him in the movie!
00:50 "Reacher?" Really?
The Amazon show's actor *looks* more like the book character, but *acts* so vastly differently, especially by comparison to Tom Cruise's portrayal in the films, I'm sincerely a bit baffled. Looks matter more than writing & acting to many, I guess? 🤷🤷♂🤷♀
I loved the 1st Reacher movie too, it didn't matter that Tom didn't look the part because he's such a great actor and gave wonderful presence.
For the Tom Cruise version, they changed some things to suit him better. For example, the fight outside the bar-that was just for Cruise. People who liked the books complained because that wouldn’t have happened. In the books, he’s so big and intimidating that those three men would have run off scared. But since Cruise is smaller, they doubt him and he proves them wrong. That’s the difference and why you didn’t notice it just watching the movie.
I've defended so many of these roles throughout my life, and it's so refreshing to see more people finally understand and appreciate that none of these were bad, and many of them were genuinely great performances.
The one that I always thought should be on a list like this is Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker. I've heard so many people rail against that portrayal of the pre- Darth Vader (partly the script and partly his performance) as a whiny little punk, but I think that;s exactly what he should have been. Let's face it, bullies are nothing more than self absorbed punks who happen to have been endowed with a disproportionate amount of power and use it to torment others because of their own psychological shortcomings. They nailed it. And that doesn't make the eventual Darth Vader character any less frightening.
My issue with Hayden wasn't that he was a whiny punk; its that a block of wood emotes in a more natural way. Natalie was just as bad in some scenes. I blame Lucas these days, though
@@eldupont3095 Yeah, I noticed that, too. I want very much to like the movies, so I just chalk that up to his(the character) being emotional stunted.
The funny thing about Cruise as Reacher is he nails everything BUT the appearance. The problem is that Reachers appearance is a large part of the character. He is supposed to be a guy that us visibly imposing and intimidating, someone that is ridiculously strong. Watching Cruise carry himself in this manner, which he totally does, is a little distracting. As is portions of dialog that refer to him looking strong enough to kill a girl with one punch.
I love the movie, but it was a poor casting choice on those grounds.
Poor Lazenby! OHMSS is a cracking film, Savalas is awesome and Lazenby gets to crack probably one of the best Bond one liners, right at the start before the credits when the girl scarpers, he ponders with a wry smile, 'This never happened to the other fella!' Brilliant.
LOVE seeing On Her Majesty's Secret Service on this list! This has always been one of my favorite Bond films and is on my yearly Christmastime Action Flicks watchlist.
Also, Last Action Hero & Starship Troopers - but both finally started getting their much deserved respect a few years ago.
Paint Your Wagon will always be one of my favorites. Great music. Clint and Lee Marvin are both funny. I'm glad someone else is showing the Musical some love.
Showgirls is a brilliant movie.
Great story, nice cast, good performances.
And Elizabeth Berkley is GORGEOUS.
Also, Starship Troopers is a great movie too in every aspect.
James Bond were never my thing.
I find them boring and nonsensical.
But with good cast most of them.
I prefer the Johnny English type of movies.
There's a difference between the cartoonish Bonds (Moore & Brosnan) and the more grounded, gritty Bonds (especially early Connery & early Craig).
The latter don't deserve to be brought down by the silliness of the former.
@@smartalek180 I know. But Bond's movies never "got" me for some reason.
I don't hate them but I will not watch them if I can do something better.
You know, I really liked the vintage Get Smart tv series.
That was great.
It’s Berkeley and James.
@@jamiethal1319 Correct both times. Thanx. Writing fast makes mistakes....
Now fixed. 👍👍
George Lazenby was actually offered the role of James Bond after the one movie he made but he turned down the offer. That is why they persuaded Connery to come back
i think keanu's sort of 'vaguely present' acting style WORKS better here. First bits, he's tired, a bit disoriented, and sort of on the edge nerves wise. Later, he's LITERALLY drained of his vitality.
Last action hero, too. It's not meant to be his normal roles then, but a bit of a deconstruction.
Here's an interesting story. When Showgirls was released on blu-ray it was immediately pulled from shelves at Wal-Mart. I liked the movie, and since I was working in electronics at the time, I managed to purchase it before the recall. It was recalled for explicit material. Meanwhile, just on the other isle there was a movie called, The Human Centipede. A few weeks later, Scary Movie 2, a movie that depicted a clown puppet dragging a guy underneath a bed, by a snaking penis, with the clown being sexualy assaulted buy the guy, was place in the family section. BTW. Years later I saw a video claiming Showgirls was a racist film. OK. Where did everyone's brains go? This entire story is absolutely absurd. However, it is real. Oh, and the story of Showgirls is more realistic than people want to acknowledge.
Paint Your Wagon is the only musical film I like - and I consider it one of Eastwood's best roles.
Personally, I thought it was just okay, but my mother could watch that movie over and over.
Defense of Keanu Reeves in Dracula: "hehe, Keanu sound funny."
Did I just hear a reference to Bowling For Soup' s Val Kilmer?
I love Bowling for Soup! They played a show in Knoxville, TN and hung out and drank a few beers with me and my friends afterwards. Super nice guys!
Never realised last action hero was considered a flop until it was on a what culture list a little while back. First saw it as a kid, loved it, friends love it, family love it. One of his best roles
None of those performances were SECRETLY GENIUS. Those are examples of "Movies that aren't so bad, according to our author".
From a headline like this, I expected to learn about actors putting extreme effort, like method acting or body change, into a role that won them a Razzie or something.
Performances, not movies. Hated, not underappreciated. Genius, not "quite okay".
0:00 anyone else think John Rambo walking in here reminds them of SF6 intros?
I'm man enough to admit that I love "Last Action Hero"" and I have since I was a kid.
Is it bad that I always liked most of these performances?
Also... AsterISK not Asterix... Asterix is a Franco-Belgian cartoon Gaul from 1959, an Asterisk is a *
I think it's a mistake to dwell on a director's intentions. It's just not a good sign for a movie when there is a decades long debate about whether or not it is satire.
The only reason Lazeby is remembered like that is because that movie was as 60s as it gets. Imagine Connery in those costumes. The movie wasn't bad, it just suffered for its time.
Is this commentary AI generated? There's repeated dialog and terrible pronunciation throughout the list.
i've seen those kinds of editing mistakes in lots of UA-cam videos across many types of channels. It's nothing to do with AI, it's just the person reading the script doing more than 1 take, and then 2 takes being included by accident. its super sloppy and annoying every time it happens. the weird pronunciation is just how this presenter talks; weird accent
when 'paint your wagon' was released, it wasn't a big deal that eastwood sang. he didn't have his big tough rep quite as firmly in place as his co-star - lee marvin - and lee was actually the target of people remembering one thing about that movie. for the same reason you acribe to clint. he sang, and quite memorably.
Trying to justify Keanu's performance in Dracula is just stupid. Yes we all love him, but that performance is terrible and by far the worst of the film.
It wasn't a terrible performance, he was just terribly miscast. He wasn't miscast in Speed or the Matrix Trilogy or the John Wick movies.
I think Keanu Reeves is one of the best human beings in Hollywood but his acting range is relatively limited. He was just miscast.
In fairness to Reeves, it's not his performance that's bad, so much as his accent.
It's just that his accent is so overwhelmingly awful, it overshadowed the rest of his performance, which was basically okay.
His performance is on par with Winona Rider's, but her accent isn't nearly as bad as his, so it's not as jarring.
@@gregbasore2108I lay the blame fully on Coppola. The moment he heard Reeves's accent, he should have done a quick rewrite and either
A. Have Reeves speak naturally and change the character to be American or
B. Let Reeves keep the accent and explain Harkness was an Englishman who was schooled in the US during his teenage and early 20s, resulting in a Trans-Atlantic accent.
A couple lines of dialogue could have easily fixed the problem.
Don't y'all remember what this story is about and why that character might had been like that?
This episode was more a critique of criticism.
I didn't hate Casper Van Dien's performance in Starship Troopers. Denise Richards' performance on the other hand...
Context: I did get most of the satirical aspects of the film at the time (NPH's gestapo uniform was a bit blatant, let's face it), but the I'll admit the Nazi propaganda film references did sail over my head; I remember thinking the barracks looked too 'clean' for instance, but I now see why. But I'd recommend anyone who's not seen that film in a long time to give it a rewatch with that in mind because the CGI has aged like a fine wine in that respect. Still can't appreciate Denise Richards, though.
You are wrong: ALL musicals _are_ jarring aberrations
Another correction for WhatCulture, Paint Your Wagon is a great movie with brilliant and is better known for Wanderin' Star and Clint Eastwood singing 😎👍🏻
HellDrivers 2 also made people give StarShip Troopers a 2nd look which then lead people to Finally Realize the Sub Plot you spoke of
I thought that Kilmer played Bruce Wayne well, the issue why Batman Forever probably made him regret it is the over the top acting of Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey.
George Lazenby as James Bond is second only to Daniel Craig.
Your rant on Rambo III makes no sense and says _nothing_
Keanu Reeves performance in Bram Stoker's fit perfectly for his character and Last Action Hero is such an underrated movie but as always that's just my opinion
Thank you for the nod to Val kilmer. I always loved Batman forever and I thought you did a pretty darn good job I figured if he had done another film you would have gotten a feel for his character getting flushed out all the way
Paint your wagon makes me 100% certain that if someone ever makes a Clint Eastwoood bio-movie, Hugh Jackman should play him; he's tough enough, can sing, can act, and most importantly it resembles Eastwood (IMO)
1:42 to 1:59 loopy
"Realeased in 1969 when musicals were falling out of favor..."
Apparently some people didn't get that memo. Unfortunately
I really liked Val Kilmer’s performance in Batman Forever, too. I hope that the Schumaker director’s cut is released one day (though that is unlikely).
Another performance that could have made the list is Jared Leto in House of Gucci. I know, that one is really hated, but, like I’ve heard someone say, he seemed to be the one person on the cast to have “gotten the memo” (knew what the movie should have been going for).
I agree with a lot of points made in this video but there are 2 stand out movies here that I think get way too much flak. Batman Forever and Last Action Hero. Allow me to explain;
Possibly because I was in the pre-teen/mid-teen demographic when these movies released and therefore the exact target audience but I personally love these films. Batman Forever has the perfect mix of camp comic book over the top performances and action emblematic of 90's films, think about The Mask, a film hated by comic book purists but fondly remembered by most kids from the 90's. BF also keeps some of the dark brooding from the Burton films, introduces Robin with a suitably tragic back story. Really it's the villains that sell it, Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones are pitch perfect, for this film, that doesn't mean they are the quintessential portrayals of those characters but they turn in the best performances for the film they were making. Imagine swapping Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger, 2 amazing Jokers but they would be totally wrong in each others films.
Then we have Last Action Hero, to me this film is Schwarzenegger's Demolition Man, it's quotable, it's got great action, it's got social and pop culture commentary, genuinely good performances by every cast member. It's magical, it's fantasy, it's fun. 'nuff said.
Reeves plays himself no matter what role it is
that was pretty generous about Solo
Never had a problem with Jack Reacher as played by Tom Cruise. Just another case where people stupidly get worked up over "It's not true to the book!" when the movie is just perfectly fine on its own merits.
Listened to the narrator repeating himself verbatim in the Tom Cruise/Reacher segment, like he did not really have anything else to say. However, he is a Simpsons fan, which says it all IMO.
allegory schmallegory.
No amount of explanation will ever convince me that Starship Troopers and Showgirls aren’t atrocious.
Height difference aside, Cruise as Jack Reacher is pretty good actually.
Whenever my friends and I watch starship troopers, we make fun of it the whole time. However it is a fun movie.
Anyone who hated Starship Troopers is not someone that I want to know.
Starship Troopers is probably the worst movie I've ever loved. With it's abysmal acting, terrible script and the white-washing of the characters. But it's such a fun spectacle because of it's top notch special effects. They blew me away in '97, and they still look great almost 30 years later.
I rank On Her Majetys' Secret Service as weakest in Bond franchise, and Lazenby is only part of problem.
But it's not complete disaster. For example Diana Rigg is perfect as countess Tracy. She's my favorite bondgirl, no wonder 007 married her.
“… running around some blue inferno…” -Johnathan Harker
I actually enjoyed the Solo movie and think it suffered from poor PR vs being bad itself. As someone said Eckhart was playing a young Hans Solo not a young Harrison Ford and the word of mouth killed it vs people giving it a chance.
His name is Alden Ehrenreich. Please fix your comment.
The only Tom cruise movie I like is Legend and as for Val kilmer and Nicole Kidman i loved their performances in Batman Forever, then agian I was the age demographic at the time.
So, by "secretly genius," you meant "maybe not as bad as you thought they were."
Stallone never won an oscar, he was just nominated trice
I was 11 or 12 when I saw Starship Troopers, and Dina Meyer is still hot today, so I definitely did not see the parallels back then😅
Personally, I believe that the Joker's /Costume/ was pretty bad in Suicide Squad....But Jared Leto's performance as Joker was pretty fucking solid.
How cod anyone have taken Starship Troopers be taken seriously?
I dunno, maybe, just maybe, some people expected the movie to bear some relationship to THE BOOK IT WAS SUPPOSEDLY BASED ON!
It isn't, in fact everything about the film especially Verhoven's admission that he did not read the book, is an insult to everyone who ever read the book and the memory of Robert A. Heinlein who also wrote Stranger in a Strange Land aka "the hippie bible" and invented waterbeds and robotic manipulator arms (Waldos, a term he also created), and 37 plus other things he created in enough detail in his books for the patent office to give him the patent.
The Siskel and Ebert (the most popular critics at the time) review can be found on UA-cam, if you are curious. The satire went over their heads. It seems that they had watched so many low-budget, bad sci-fi movies, that their first reaction was that this was just a high-budget, bad sci-fi movie. The satire part went over their heads. They just complained about an overly long movie with uninteresting aliens.
@@jfess1911 I stopped caring what Siskel and Ebert thought about movies in 1986.
You repeated the same sentence twice at 1:45 to 2:16.
I think that its funny how Tommy Lee Jones couldent stand Jim carrys buffoonery but he portrayed two face as more comically homicidal then serious homicidal.
Let's be serious though the real reason Solo failed was on the shoulders of the pile of shit that was The Last Jedi
I loved Tom Cruise in Jack Reacher. Haven’t watched the sequel…..yet.
Talking about Kilmer in Batman Returns is rather pointless. The real issue with that movie and its successor are very obviously Schumacher
I liked Solo, just really can’t get on board with Emily Clark in anything, and seriously hated things like the way he got “solo” as a name. uhhhgh really?
On her majesty’s secret service was a great film!
I didn’t know that people hated Jack Slater and Johnny Rico.
Clint Eastwood sang in Bronco Billy too.
I still really like the Han Solo movie i think to me it is atill one of the best Star Wars movies since Disney took over i have not been a big fan of the rest of rhem really Solo is awesome
I was skeptical at Dracula, I knew you’d lost your mind when you praised Keaton’s Batman. One of the absolute worst live action Batman.
Lazenby was a great Bond in a great film.
Yeah it's well known Verhoeven had no idea what the premise was for Heinlein's novel so he just made up a thing with the writers and it totally back-fired. The casting of Van Dein did kind of jar as chisel-jawed Argentinian with the Book's Johnny Rico being Fillipino
I've always heard it the other way around, i.e. that Verhoeven hated the message of the story and deliberately made the movie version a mockery of the book.
Critics don't know anything!!!
10) I liked "Jack Reacher!"
09) Never saw "Paint Your Wagon,"
08) "Starship Trooper" was pretty damn good! Then again, I saw the lampooning,
07) Keanu Reeves did well as Harker, but his accent was lacking...
06) OK, "Rambo III" was milking the franchise too far. "First Blood" did tell a very important tale, but was a bit of 80's machismo,
05) I enjoyed "Solo: A Star Wars Story" but I am really tired of the whole Disney-fication of Star Wars-to the point that I've bailed on anything Star Wars,
04) Kilmer did a poor job as Batman, but he was great as Bruce Wayne and Jim Carrey was great as the Riddler,
03) Lazenby didn't doo too bad a job as Bond, but as the host noted; he had to follow Connery and that was a Herculean task for anyone,
02) I love "The Last Action Hero!" It was the pinnacle of parody films!!!
01) OK, "Showgirls" is a guilty, campy, naughty pleasure...
Last Action Hero was awesome. Critics be damned.
I think it was generally understood at the time that Starship Troopers was a satire on military propaganda films. But it was named after, and took a lot of material from, an influential and important novel by Robert Heinlein. In order to mock its source material it started by decerebrating Heinlein's story - and while the novel was problematic in many ways and dated, especially by its sexism, it wasn't dumb. The central character is Filipino, and the film wants to look like a Nazi propaganda film, so that was switched to white. Anything intellectual, like the discussion of the governmental system, is removed. The director cared so little for his source material he didn't bother to read it. He didn't like the idea of fighting a technological arthropod eusocial opponent so he replaced it with farting bugs. Stripped of Heinlein's name and story it might have been an OK film but to rope in the novel just to present a dumbed-down version as a straw man was tasteless.
Someone shouod remake Showgirls into a TV show
Paint Your Wagon is a good movie