Tallstar made Onewisker deputy because he wanted peace between Windclan and Thunderclan and feared Mudclaw would be too bloodthirsty, ironically Onestar became Mudclaw 2.0
okay but let's be real, Mudclaw wasn't that bad. He HAD every right to think he should have been deputy, and had tons of experience. We don't know for sure but I'm betting he would have actually done a better job than Onestar
I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard. What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has. It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat! I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself. Firestar is a great Leader, but ‚only’ as much as his broken, broken Culture allows. He’s a ‚relatively’ good Leader as much as he’s restrained: His World literally does not consider things like Trade or Peace-Offerings Moral. Both Concepts are EVIL-HERESY-OF-EVILNESS. If both sides have something the other wants and suffers withuot it, the Books present 2 Options ‚War or Peace-in-the-sense-of-suffering-in-Solemn’.
And what is even worse about onestar is that he insults bramblestar in crowfeathers trail in the worst possible way. Bramblestar comes to windclan and wants to talk about the tunnels and that he wants to team up with him and the only thing he does is saying that bramblestar should piss of and that he is just like tigerstar. Like, COME ON he wants to help you and you insult him in the worst way you could!?
Tbh brambleclaw is a jerk In the books like the new prophecy (I’m on the power of three so don’t kill me) he keeps saying he is nothing like tiger star BUT he trains with him in the dark forest to become deputy and his ambition to be leader, he also wanted firestar to make him deputy, when grey stripe was gone.. In the book The sight around page 94 (uh I cant remember if it’s hollypaw, lionpaw or jaypaw) but they saw him climb on the high rock because he is suspicious of he’s clan mates if thy would betray him Ye and he treats squirrelflight trash
@@sapphirewingsxx6123 yes I know he is a jerk but I think it's just dumb to insult bramblestar in that moment when his clan is suffering from that animals 🤷🏻♀️
Yeah, Bramlestar is a jerk, but for once he was completely in the right. He was going out of his way to try and help windclan, but no, Onestar brings up something that had been put away years ago just to insult him. When he tried to help. And like half of windclan was injured. He had every right to be mad at Onestar
Bramblestar is a jerk but he's not Tigerstar! Firstly, I don't remember Bramblestar murdering anyone to become leader. Secondly, he was trying to prove he WASN'T like Tigerstar. Thirdly, he never took the chance to kill anyone for his ambition, and then in Sunset, he killed Hawkfrost instead of Firestar. I'm not defending him, he sucks, but some of you are saying that because he's a jerk he's on the same level which is not true.
Onestar never served as a deputy, never had Tallstars direct mentorship, or the chance to adjust into a leadership role. He's a horrible, incompetent leader because he has no idea how to be a leader, never learned, and is too arrogant to ever even conceive his incompetency by accepting criticism, from anyone.
The reason he did that because cats thought the only reason he became leader because firestar announced it and everyone thought they where friends. Still didn't make it right
The best thing is that Stoneteller would *HATE* the title of “Worst Clan Leader” more for the fact that it called him a ‘Clan Leader’ rather than the fact that it called him the ‘Worst Leader’.
XDDDD OH MY GOD YOU'RE RIGHT! He's so blind by his hatred towards the clans who are DIRECT DESCENDANTS of the tibe. So to call him the worst clan leader would Sting so much more because they're never gonna let him forget that like it or not? The tibe and the clans are strongly related.
Ikr, like did becoming a leader make him a terrible person too?? He got mad at his former friend for offering him help, like bRUH! He used to be so nice before he became leader, what happened??
I agree. What sad is that Tallstar chose him so he could have harmony with the other clans. Onestar did the exact opposite of that. Tallstar probrably regrets it a lot.
“Ah Bramblestar, the only cat on this list I don’t loathe with every fiber of my body” *Looks at Moonkitti’s recent video* Yeah that opinion’s probably gonna change..
You know, the best way to remedy the situation (because the Erins are never going to admit they screwed up their relationship so much) is to reveal Ashfur was manipulating Bramblestar for a while now. At least that will give us a...gray-ish slate to go from
One thing I think isn't touched upon enough with Onestar is that he prevented his medicine cat from doing his job- helping ShadowClan- because of a problem he created- Darktail. Medicine cats STAND ALONE from Clan conflict, it's part of THEIR code. The first 3 or 4 arcs make it clear that leaders have little to no say in how medicine cats do their job. They can cross borders as needed without challenge and are allowed to- even REQUIRED to- help any and all injured cats they come across. I mean, Echosong tried to use her knowledge on the injured Twoleg kit both because she was once a kittypet and because she is a medicine cat and really tore into Leafstar for her prejudice against making Frecklewish her apprentice simply because she (Frecklewish) was a Daylight warrior. Cinderpelt defied her own mentor to help Littlecloud and Whitethroat, not only sparking a passion for healing in Littlecloud but also a close, lifelong friendship between them. I hate when Leaders tell their medicine cats what the can and cannot do, who they can and cannot treat. That is for the MEDICINE CATS to decide, the leaders have such little say in the matter, if any. I think Firestar and Bluestar were lucky that medicine cats aren't allowed to cause harm to others, because I have no doubt in my mind that Yellowfang and Jayfeather would have torn into them (and possibly any warriors being reckless or just plain not listening) with more than just strong words when their leaders were acting up, ESPECIALLY Yellowfang. So when Onestar KNEW he had the herb ShadowClan so desperately needed and refused to allow the medicine cats to do their job, I nearly screamed and threw my book. He had no right. I was BEGGING Jayfeather to tell him off in his usual way or for Kestrelflight to actually stand up to him for once. I was like "dude, innocent cats are DYING and you can help! What happened to not leaving kits to suffer? Because kits were either sick, in danger of becoming sick, orphaned, or in danger of becoming orphans! How tf is this not against the code?" And his reasoning in the end really made me want to punch him in the face. Like, you are the reason this cat not only is the way he is, but also the reason for his very EXISTENCE and you want to pass the responsibility for him off on to others? That isn't how this works! You made a mess, now rub your nose in it and go sit in timeout.
@@ccappa2001 very carefully lol I think I just posted a longer one in the comments of Moonkitti's (did I spell that right?) video on how Bramblestar is abusive to Squirrelflight.
@@CreeketsCreek lok thanks! I don't see it discussed a lot, so I often wonder if I'm wrong or not. Then I remember everything we saw/learned from the POV of Leafpool and Jayfeather and think "well, I'm wrong, then some of the best medicine cats in history are also wrong, so then I don't want to be right." I mean, Leafpool saved a drowning RIVERCLAN apprentice when RiverClan's own medicine cat apprentice froze because of how new she still was. StarClan TOLD Jayfeather where to get herbs ThunderClan desperately needed when borders were closed and approved of him taking what WindClan wasn't using. So obviously being a medicine cat extends beyond borders and is a role that is/should be out of the leader's control. Medicine cats almost always seem to be the most empathetic cats of the Clans, so it must have been pure torture for Kestrelflight to know a) cats are in trouble, b) he could help, and c) his own leader is holding him back from doing what he as a medicine cat needs to do. And Onestar putting him in that awkward, emotionally and mentally painful position to begin with is just wrong on him as a leader. And because it was all for such a selfish reason, that makes it so much worse. I'm not saying he should have gone to the Dark Forest over that (though his entire leadership overall SHOULD have been brought to question by his own StarClan trial) but they should have banished him to the edges of StarClan's territory to a while as punishment. I REALLY hope the cats most dear to him (Tallstar, his parents, ect.) at least ignore him as much as they can to show how absolutely disappointed they are in him. Darn, I'm going off another rant, sorry!
with the oakstar/mapleshade situation: i personally think if he wanted to punish her, he should've just exiled mapleshade and kept her kits for another queen to nurse. who and why would someone want to exile kits? for being born, something they literally can't control? idk, just my opinion (sorry for the bad english, main language is french)
@Nantsin Berry oh yeah, on the topic of that, wtf was the deal with starclan in that book? Why would they send an omen knowing it could result in three children drowning for no reason? I know starclan being incompetent is a running gag of this franchise but here they´re honestly just as awful as mapleshade herself.
Lets not forget the time bramblestar literally *threatened* to take his wife’s position from her and replace her as deputy only because she disagreed with his actions. He not only refuses to listen to others, but threatens and berates to get his way. He’s a horrible leader and a horrible mate! He was so much better as an apprentice and kit. Edit: Even when tigerstar was committing bloodshed and ordering to kill kits leopardstar was still all “imma get in his pants at some point OwO” like wtf. She was a horrible leader, she let her emotions guide her which 9/10 lead to horrible decisions. Like when she got with tigerstar hoping he’d want in her pants!
I would have LOVED to see a cat that was extremely close to Stonefur forcibly humble Leopardstar. Like, when she gets nasty at a gathering "hey, Leopardstar, remember that time you allowed a tyrant to kill your most loyal warrior because you had the joys for him?" Or when she's rambling about Graystripe being a traitor, "oh, you mean like how you betrayed Stonefur, Mistyfoot, Feathertail, and Stormfur?" Like a cat who made it obvious they were loyal to RiverClan and not Leopardstar- showing her own a very cold level of respect because she is the leader StarClan chose for RiverClan, but not a tiny bit more than that.
. . . *Oakstar kinda broke the warrior code-* Like, in the warrior code, it says to take care of kits, no matter the origin So, kicking Mapleshade and her kits out kinda breaks the warrior code
Well.. it actually says they can't *neglect kits that are in pain or in danger,* which was not the case for any of Mapleshade's kits at the time of her exile.
Even thought the code says injured, it probably extends to or putting in danger, in which he broke the code. Oh wait, the leaders word is law... we can’t win guys
@@itisamystery.5090 oakstar knew it was floodseason. He did it because he hated mapleshade. He could have taken a different approach. One approach was to exile mapleshade in better circumstances. Another was not to punish her kits maybe give her kits to a different queen to be raised. Not only did he exile mapleshade but he ultimately caused the death of her kits. Where was she supposed to go? She couldnt have gone anywhere but Riverclan.
@@V_Rosez The best approach here would have actually been _not_ hooking up with a cat from a rival clan, and thus not breaking the code in the first place herself― but I digress.
@@itisamystery.5090 same with Bluestar. Same with Graystripe. If bluestar didnt mate with someone from a different clan her kit wouldnt have died and if graystripe didnt shag silverstream she would still be alive but I digress
I can't wait to hear someone rant about fictional cats. There is just something enjoyable about someone getting worked up about something but useing logical or rational facts.
The way Dawnpelt died is truly horrific. Being lead away in the night and slaughtered trying to escape. She was alone and terrified and no one came to help her and her fate remained unknown for such a long time.
If Blackstar was still alive when Darktail arrived, I bet he’d be like “I’ll be right back” and take some of his elite warriors with him...so he can siege hell on Darktail and his goons
I had the same thought pretty much. If Blackstar had been alive you know that Darktails rampage would have ended faster than Redtail could die. That leader never f****d about. One of the reasons I love Blackstar.
Gonna make a quick prediction and see how close I can get to the list when it comes out. We’ve seen quiet rage roast onestar and leopardstar over how bad they are, so they’re guaranteed to appear on the list somewhere. I doubt she’ll include evil leaders since it would be kind of a cop-out, so brokenstar, tigerstar and a few others are out too. We also know she hates tigerheartstar, not sure if he’ll be on the list or not though, since most of his bad actions happened before he became leader. Oakstar and darkstar were jerks, and oakstar literally sent three children off to their deaths, so I’m guess he’ll be on there. There’s also Darkstar, who added a really trash rule to the warrior code. So, predictions for this list are I’m guessing at least the majority of these cats will be on the list: Leopardstar Onestar Oakstar Tigerstar 2 electric boogaloo Darkstar (windclan) Darkstar (riverclan) Edit: also bluestar and rowanstar, almost forgot about them. Thanks for reading this massive block of text. :> Edit: wow, a lot of my predictions were true. That’s a poggers moment. I completely forgot how nasty stoneteller was lmao
Another thing about Bramblestar HE NEVER EVER LISTENS TO HIS DEPUTY OR HIS MEDICINE CATS FOR ANYTHING. ESPECIALLY HIS DEPUTY AND WIFE. I think Leopardstar was manipulated by wanting to be on the powerful side and the fear of what would happen if she wasn't more than love and pride, although she certainly had a huge pride issue and love MIGHT have played a part (although I still don't buy it.) Regardless, she was willing to sacrifice the lives of her clanmates to keep her place in Tigerclan rather than stand up for them and at the very least that shows callousness. OAKSTAR ALSO RAIDED TWOLEG PLACE TO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF KITTYPETS FOR NO REASON??? You gotta admit... Tallstar had no reason to believe he was so so wrong about Onewhisker. We all thought that was a good choice... until... well.. It was too late.
I still remember reading a part where Stormfur was bummed because he couldn't convince Stoneteller to try it his way and got Brook and him banished and Brook pretty much says "Don't worry he's old he'll die soon, then a new Stoneteller will be picked and we can go back" I reread that just to make sure I read it right and was thinking "Dude Brook, that's savage" 0_0
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Okay I recently read Dotc and I'll defend Clear Sky. Yes he is a massive fucktward and has made some horrible descions but I think having Quiet Rain in A Forest Divided not only developed her character but Clear Sky's aswell. After she died I think he genuinely tried to make up for his actions to make her proud, even in her afterlife. And even with the terrible choices before hand, I could sorta see where he was coming from. Though I will say he is VERY lucky that his angel of a brother forgave him for everything. He shouldn't have got away completely with everything. I personally belive he's had the most fulfilling redemption arc I've ever read in this series.
Let's see here, bright stream, storm, led to the death of turtle tail, and refused to help slate when she was sick. DO YOU THINK JUST THANKING GRAY WING AND SAVING ONE OF HIS KITS WOULD MAKE UP FOR EVERYTHING YOU DID TO HIM!!??
"The word of the clan leader is the warrior code." Honestly what's really pathetic about this one is that a leader was so crappy this rule had to come into existence.
Reading Leopardstars honor.....lets just say that this code allows her to pull all the racist and hothead bullshit she does. Just...the fact a kittypet tom, aka *AN OUTSIDER & MINORITY IN THE TRUEST SENSE* understands the way of a warrior better than clanborn cats is a testiment to how fucked up some of the cats are!
To be fair, I don't think anybody saw that onestar would change so drastically upon being named leader. It appeared like onestar was a good idea as a leader because he **was** Firestar's friend but... welp we learned now didn't we?
I think all the clans should work together and share their territories. They will still be separate clans, but equal clans. They'd be like-a huge group of cats put into smaller groups for organization purposes having multiple leaders because of the sheer number of cats in the clans. They could have outside-clan relationships, which I rlly think would help against the whole inbreeding thing.
It's a cool idea but I personally don't think it would work, the clans themselves are already too big. And while your plan may work in theory, people are always going to come along and corrupt the structure set in place. Imagine if this was the situation when tigerstar rose to power, this would only have given him even more influence. And the clans competing as separate nation states is what gives them distinct cultures morals, and ideals. It also gives a series of checks and balances, by encouraging friendly competition we help make sure no one clan gains too much power or influence. A leader will do what is best for their faction, and that isn't always what is best for the other three clans or even what they want. The individual clans should be able to function as their own entities. I of course respect your opinion and it was a great idea, I just personally disagree.
Okay but can we also acknowledge how Clear Sky abandoned his kit after he took Storm from Grey Wing, finds out she died because he drove her out w/ his actions & then lets his son go 3 times. He then becomes mates w/ the she-cat who used Thunder (Clear Sky's son) as a toy. Clear Sky had kits with a cat who emotionally hurt his son. He lost 2 mates by the time he got with her. Storm died because she stood up to Ckear Sky. Clear Sky took almost all of the only cats Grey Wing loved. He took Storm from him, got Turtle Tail killed & got Thunder to go with him multiple times. By the time Grey Wing was happy he was dead.
The only cat I like on this list is clearsky, I agree with everything you have said about him, I just personally find him REALLY interesting and enjoy his pov
Me too! He’s kinda similar to Mapleshade actually. Everything that goes wrong in their pov is their fault and they blame others for it. But I really enjoy reading about them
This is for me to keep track. But anyone else is free to use these timestamps. Quick warning, there will be spoilers. Villains don’t count. Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction 03:35 Bramblestar (Thunder) 10:13 Darkstar (Sky) 13:27 Skystar/Clear Sky (Sky) 17:52 Leopardstar (River) 21:56 Oakstar (Thunder) 35:18 Raggedstar (Shadow) 40:24 Swiftstar (Wind), Redstar (Thunder), Birchstar (River) and Dawnstar (Shadow) 44:43 Onestar (Wind) 52:50 Rowanstar (Shadow) 01:00:34 Stoneteller (Tribe) I have an honorable mention for RiverClan: Mistystar in The Broken Code arc.
Also, Michah's death motivates Moth Flight to make the Medicine Cat cant have kits rule. Also Pinestar. Raggedstar was probably hoping Brokenstar would be a good leader since he grew up similarly being rejected for being born half kittypet. Tallstar must be rolling in Starclan.
Dude, Onestar literally denied Thunderclan's help too, and then proceeded to insult Bramble (WHO LITERALLY TRIED HELPING THEM-) and proceeded to attempt drive the stoats into TC's territory- AHHH And yeah, Onestar sucks so much omg
Hdid Gdyxj Stupid excuse. You can deny someone’s help, but don’t try to ENDANGER their clans and INSULT them. (And mock them for their kin, which is a soft spot)
When I first read the scene where Quiet Rain roasts Clear Sky... I can't express how satisfied I felt (but then she died and forgave him and this sucks. Seriously, he's such an asshole who never learns his lesson, and everyone loves him or comes to love him. How?)
And here's the worst part for Stone Teller: He could've been fixed in Dawn. Unlike the other books he was actually good there. He was quite generous to the clan's when they stayed, he let TallStar make CrowPaw into a warrior within their home, and overall was a good person. And guess what? Into the trash that goes. What could've been a changed Stone Teller ended up being an absolute douche with no development whatsoever. This is really the only cat on this list I would want a novella for the sole purpose of figuring out what the hell made him change so rapidly.
@@FluttercordFOREVER Fair enough. I figured it wasn't something the authors agreed on because there wasn't really confirmation until recently and there was more evidence against than for. It seemed like a headcanon but you guys are right.
@@FluttercordFOREVER It might've been more of a solidifying the alliance thing/I think this is a smart move thing more than a "I'm in love" thing. At least, that's what I'm hoping because her being in love with him is just... so dumb.
Tallstar before death: "I want Onewhisker to be leader to avoid needless conflict." *The book Eclipse happens* Shrewclaw and Mudclaw: *laughing maniacally in the background while Tallstar is just facepalming*
Because of your drawing style, it has inspired me to continue drawing. Before I kept seeing other people's better drawings so I gave up. But now, I realized that it doesn't matter your drawing style just matters that you like it.
@@ivypoolstherapist1919 they only fucked Tigerstar because the guys built like if Chris Hemsworth were a cat. Also, he may have allowed his ambition to drive him, but he wasn't completely insane.
@@OverTheMoon891 Sasha actually wasn't with Tigerstar knowing he was evil. She was a kitty pet, then loner, that had no idea. He just seemed very charming to her. She ended up eventually leaving him, and though she always loved him, knew he was messed up. Tigerstar was charismatic.
@@MidnightWhisper ?? I didn't say she was? I said he was handsome af and thats why he got all the babes xD that has nothing to do with whether or not he was evil or if they knew about that. 😂
I would have loved deadfoot as a leader. And I forgive him for one reason, at the time one star and firestar where friends, and one star was a level headed, good warrior, but he changed.
I'd like to say that Bramblestar actually was possessed...by the writers themselves. Remember that Erin Hunter, the "author" of the series, is actually a pseudonym for a team of seven different people who worked together to create this. With so many characters to keep track of, it's no wonder the writing for some individuals is highly inconsistent.
@@hexveil So didn't Bramble, but Leafpool got a sign of Starclan, that brambleclaw should be made leader and convinced Firestar. Screw you, Starclan...
While I 100% agree with you about MOST of the things you said about Leopardstar (she was a terrible leader, way too proud, irrational, made absolutely terrible decisions on behalf of RiverClan and cause them to be the WORST Clan for generations, but banishing and threatening Graystripe is at the very tip of the iceberg for me. Graystripe was a traitor. There's no way around it, no matter how much people loved him, they can't ignore the facts. He didn't raise a single claw to protect his kits and pledged his loyalty to RiverClan and Leopardstar when he decided to be a complete mouse-heart and follow his kits to RiverClan. Leopardstar was testing him. She saw through hus disloyalty from miles away, and in the end, he chose Fireheart over his own offspring and betrayed RiverClan in more ways than one. So yeah, threatening to kill Graystripe for abandoning his adopted Clan wasn't super detrimental to Leopardstar for me, it was everything she did AFTER that made me hate her and her "leadership," if you can even call it that. I wouldn't even blame Graystripe for this if we hadn't seen this exact same thing happen with Dovewing and seeing her make the right choice and lie in the nest she made for herself. She made the decision that it was more painful to not be with Tigerheart than it was to not be a part of ThunderClan, so she followed him and their kits to ShadowClan and remains loyal to him and her new Clan to this day. Graystripe chose Fireheart over his kits and his Clan, that makes him a traitor and puts Leopardstar in the right.
The reason Stoneteller thought Stormfur was the chosen cat and ignored Feathertail was because the scene before then had all 6 cats go through a waterfall within the cave, causing Feathertail's fur to go almost black from being wet instead if it's usual silver colour. So Stoneteller assumed Stormfur was the chosen one since his fur stayed gray/dark silver when it was wet.
Don’t laugh at Tallstar’s words, he didn’t know. Onewhisker treated ThunderClan in a very friendly way for seasons, and that’s what Tallstar knew about him. Mudclaw was openly hostile so he thought he saw what could happen if Mudclaw was leader.
I don't want to edit my Bluestar comment further with another topic, but... I think it was the right decision to exile Sky Clan back in the past. And I'm a huge fan of Sky Clan myself. When the four leaders decided to exile them, they named one of their reasons as "there might not be enough prey during leafbare", and there's one leafbare in particular that makes me think they were right, that might've killed ALL the clans if Sky Clan was still around. We hear from that leafbare in several stories, but mostly from Gorsetails and Redstars stories - the terrible leafbare that left kits fighting over bones to feed on and killed off several cats in Thunder Clan, including the leader Dawnstar. In Tallstar's Super Edition we hear that Wind Clan only survived a certain leadbare because the diggers were able to hunt rabbits, and in Crookedstar's Super Edition we hear the Elders talking of a leafbare where the river was frozen so much, that they had to live off the scrawny prey they could find in the woods. We never know how Shadow Clan fared during that leafbare, but I don't think they were off much better, meaning, if prey was barely enough for 4 Clans to survive, imagine how devestating this leafbare would've been, if Sky Clan was also there, fighting for prey. The decision to exile Sky Clan was cruel, but it might've saved all Clans, only that no Clan now does remember what could've been if Sky Clan had been around.
Appledusk was the one who cheated on both Mapleshade and Reedshine. Reedshine loved her mate to where the point of even advocating for him despite the fact that he was cheating jerk being exposed so that the current RiverClan leader ( Who’s name I forgot ) wouldn’t severely punish or exile him. Mapleshade knew it was against the code and assumed that she could bypass the code just because she was a “good warrior”. She’s also the one who decided on crossing the rushing river in the storm which I believe Appledusk, who’s still a jerk had to rescue her from. Oakstar’s still a jerk. All Ravenwing did was his job, and it was petty of Mapleshade to murder him just because he was doing his job and reporting the code being broken.
But he didn't have to do that. he didn't have to exile the kits then. we know there are different ways to punish cats for cross clan relationships he could have done any of them but he decided to take it out on the kits. That is what's wrong, he took it out on helpless kittens. Not saying what Mapleshade did was justified but he probably should have lost one of his lives to Mapleshade. He was a horrible leader.
StarTheAngel After Mapleshade lied by omission about the kits being his dead sons. After she broke the code because she believed herself to be above it. Mapleshade decided to get her kits in the river, not Oakstar.
Bramblestar abused Squirrelflight (see Moonkitti's video "Bramblestar is worse") so he was never good at all. He's always been the boring cardboard cut-out that he is.
Nooo. He was good as an apprentice, then everything after that he is SOOOOOO BADD. HE SUCKS SO MUCH AFTER THE FIRST SERIES. HE CAN GO TO THE DARK FOREST.
I mean, Mapleshade essentially caused what happened to her (she fell in love with a cat who killed her leader’s son, she lied about the father of her kits, she chose to cross the river knowing it would be rough) so pretty much everyone in Mapleshade’s Vengence is terrible (minus the kits, Ravenwing was doing his job, Frecklewish couldn’t really do anything, and Reedshine was innocent)
I hate when someone says ravenwing was doing his job when the warrior code says protect the kits, what it's more important. Being a good medicine cat don't Made him a good cat
So true about that Barnes and Nobles bullshit! Had to find extra scenes online that explains so much in future books! Don’t even live near any of that store either! Here I thought needletail was being a brat til I read that scene. It made so much sense!
Alright alright alright, lemme back you up there. No, Oakstar was not directly responsible. Even if he still cast Mapleshade out, she had other options. She could've gone to the ShadowClan or WindClan border until the floods died down, or gone straight to Four Trees until the floods ended. In the end, it was *her* choice to being them across the river, and *that's* what's what killed them. Please keep in mind that I haven't read Mapleshade's Vengeance, so if ant of these options are debunked in the book, please tell me.
From what I remember the other clans wouldn’t of liked her in their territory, river clan was about it, she couldn’t live around the twolegs because of conflict between them and her former clan, the kits did quite a lot of walking already and were likely too exhausted to really anywhere, and she was banished so she couldn’t just stay there in thunderclan. Crossing was pretty much it, oakstar likely knew this and should of known of flood season! He sent kits to their potential death. If a predator attacked them maple wouldn’t be able to fight it off. Not to mention banishing helpless kits who did nothing wrong without even knowing if they’ll be safe after leaving goes against the warriors code! You always help a kit in trouble, protecting kittens is very important no matter where they came from. He banished them, putting them in danger, he broke the code. He was responsible for their deaths. They were too young to be banished like that! The least he could of done was given her and her kits some guards to escort them to their new home to ensure the kits would be ok, then when they can’t cross allow her to stay till the river calms. The fact he didn’t do this and let petty anger and revenge cloud his mind proves he’s not fit to be a leader.
Can't imagine you would be thinking rationally after getting kicked out of your home, everyone turning against you, your former friend physically attacking you and also having three kids to take care of. Yeah, no wonder she wasn't thinking rationally
This video was awesome! You’ve really improved your editing, writing, and the over all video quality a lot and I’m just really stoked to have not missed the premiere! Talking to my fellow RageClan members was fun! I love your stuff and your videos are even more fun to watch live! I agree with a lot of your choices. But I think a few more cats should have been there: Pinestar Bluestar I understand you couldn’t include everyone because of rule 2, but I just think those leaders sucked as well.
AGREED! Although maybe this is just me but bluestar is the worse offender, her self destructive actions nearly lead to her clan collapsing and get naming bright heart after her disability was just down right cruel!
@@Cloverrfrostt Greypaw: want to join thunderclan? Bluestar: starclan had abandoned us! You! One eye! Smallear! Your disabilities disgrace the clan, go form now on you shall be half blind and deaf! Rusty: I mean... It um looks like fun but um I just remembered I am getting married to my fiance here in a few hours so um BAI!
Yeahhhh While i was reading Moonrise i kept thinking "isn't Feathertail literally a silver cat? Preeeetty sure she's the chosen one" And i was right... I may of cried when she died
Time to put there bad names in order I will start and there has to be different people to put these bad names in order. Also put the leaders name before the bad names. 10. Bramblestar= Dumbstar
You know, with seeing all this, Tigerstar wasn’t actually that terrible of a leader for Shadowclan. If he’d have not committed all those murders he’d probably have been half decent, but at least he was a better mate to Goldenflower and Sasha than Bramblestar is to Squirrelflight :/
It was actually confirmed that Tigerclaw never loved Goldenflower, and just wanted a legacy. Goldenflower did love him, though. And we never got to know how it must’ve been for her to learn Tigerclaw never actually cared about her. Healthy relationships in warriors are never seen up close. Only the toxic ones. And that sucks.
This is kinda random but- I hate it when leaders are to reliant on star clan, and get scared when they don’t get a message for a moon or few weeks. It annoys me and makes me think they don’t rely on their clan mates and would be the cat to sit around and wait for star clan to save the day during a battle/fight. It makes me think they are clingy and don’t know how this effects clanmates and other clans.
You didn't mention that Mappleshade lied to Oakstar when she said her kits were Birchface's. Mappleshade didn't just lied about kits' origins but also used Birchface's death as an alibi for herself. Oakstar's choice is understandable as a father who had the illusion to see his dead son in those kits who at last are the kits of the one who murdered his son.
While Mapleshade was definitely in the wrong, it was still cruel of him to punish the kits for it. They were innocent. He could've punished her without abandoning kits. Part of the warrior code is also to help kits regardless of clan. He was a leader and shouldn't have let his emotion get the better of him and partly cause kits to die. I'm not saying Mapleshade is innocent, but he was one of the most wrong characters in the book as well.
i despise bramblestar. he’s an idiot, and only a firestar wannabe. i wish the erins made a cat who actually deserved the position leader, like hollyleaf (this is my opinion, and feel free to reply who you think should’ve been made leader instead of bramblestar or simply just think he’s an okay leader). think draikinator’s hollystar au. not only would’ve that given brambleclaw some good character growth, but i (i bet along with at least a few others) REALLY wanted to see hollyleaf become leader while i was reading Power of Three. and cmon who else thinks it’s stupid the erins brought her back from the dead only to kill her immediately. if you’re still reading this, thanks for listening to me ramble on about fictional cats-
Honestly I think squirrelflight would of been cool leader! She comes up with cool ideas and I want her to be in power over bramble for once. He’s such an arrogant prick to her..Since he’s leader he just pushes her around as he pleases, if she was leader I feel like she might be willing to put her foot down and refuse to take his abuse. Brackenfur would of also been super nice!
You forgot to mention the Oakstar didn’t broke the Warrior code once, but twice. By expecting Thunderclan territory, up to the kittypet territory for no reason. Meaning his warriors can attack Kittypets in their own yard
You did Leopardstar dirty, my man. She's an amazing, complex and believable character and it's terrible to see how pretty much universally disliked she is. She starts as the only surviving kit of a litter, she's spoiled from the start and always told she's special and going to achieve a lot. She faces a hardship that is a unique situation of having a father who decides to become a medicine cat (i'd love to see a Leopardstar novella exploring what it meant for her). She's very ambitious and everyone expects a lot from her, which can be awfully stressful. I think every "gifted child" can relate. After Crookedstar's death, as a freshly made inexperienced leader, she has to make a very difficult decision about allying with Tigerstar. And because of wanting to prove herself and be the best leader possible for her clan, she makes a terrible mistake. Does something that is every one of her fears. (Also theres no romamtic motivation for that at all, it's not canon) Was it absolutely frustrating to see her not take any action when Stonefur was killed and mixed clan cats discriminated against? Yes. But that's also what's tragic- she couldn't really do anything, if she opposed Tigerstar it'd only lead to more bloodshed in a battle between her and his warriors. She chose what she thought was a lesser evil. After Tigerstar's death, she clearly wanted to make up for her mistakes, but didnt know how to. She worried about Feathertail not feeling at home in RiverClan, but didnt know how to talk to her. TW SUICIDE MENTION But she sure felt guilty, to the degree that in the battle with the fox she was going to sacrifice herself to save hawk, feather and storm. looking at her words, i think it can be even interpreted as a suicide attempt after the guilt has been eating her for all that time, she saw it as the only way to make herself worth something. But in the end, Feathertail saw that and forgave her. Later Leopardstar didn't have a role that big but from what we saw, she was a pretty okay leader though. Not the greatest, but also far from the worst. She learned from her mistakes, made up for them as much as it was possible and was a good leader later. Imo Leopardstar's character arc is one of the most powerful ones in the entire warriors series and she deserves way more appreciation
Onestar’s super addition should’ve been about taking accountability. I can imagine him appearing in the starclan court, the main head honchos there, onestar, assuming they are just going to give him a pat on the back like what actually happens, goes towards them, but sees smoke glaring at him, as she is there to testify against him. He feels a tiny bit regretful, at everything he did to smoke, but can’t think for long as the trial soon starts. Starclan points out his many faults and all he’s done, and eventually does mention one or two redeeming qualities, but they eventually end up deciding he doesn’t deserve starclan, so he goes down to the dark forest, angry and bitter about his placement, pretty much all alone after the great battle, he can only ponder his life, or try to lick starclan’s boots to bring him up, but can never set aside his own pride to be good enough to return. The end could show tall star looking back on his mistake of switching out mud claw, the two sides of his brain fighting on if he made the right decision, mudclaw or onewhisker? Until Jake sees him and consoles him, that even if he can’t change his past decisions, he can still warn the living cats not to do what he did.
I'm suprised that ripplestar wasn't here He was a shadowclan leader, he lead an suprise attack on the other clans on a gathering he almost kills the thunderclan leader but lighting hit him and he died. After that the code of "the clans stand on equal ground on a gathering."
I think she didn't include him because the book clearly potrayed him as the bad guy unlike the leaders on this list who were all seen as good guys despite their terrible actions.
Yeah at least she was willing to die for Feathertail and the others in "A Shadow in RiverClan" and begged her to leave her there and save herself. She still had issues but that was somewhat of a redemption and the sole reason she was forgiven.
You know, I just LOVE when a character (Bramblestar) goes through some MAJOR character development only to forget said development and regress to their starting stage as the books go on!! (I'm being sarcastic)
Just wanted to give you a heads up Quiet Rage, that the link to your patreon leads to a 404 page because the "I" from your next sentence got attached to it! Just wanted to let you know so could edit it so that people can use the link :)
Can I say I think Firestar is overrated and to perfect for the story, like he has no problems, or the ones that he does have, they are always solved? He shouldn’t have got to spend time with Spottedleaf, he doesn’t deserve her. I think Squirrelflight is a great character in comparison. She dosnt always get what she wants and has actual problems. Tdlr: ChipperSkies rants about Firestar being a stupid character and Squirrelflight being awesome (I’m getting a Squirrelflight plushie for Christmas and she’s my favorite character :D)
i think the exact same thing! he is a HUGE HUGE HUGE mary sue (b-but male-), he’s in a bazillion prophecies, everyone loves him, and he gets away with literally everything! he’s just not a believable character. squirrelflight is great though, as she’s one of the most personality packed characters in the books. she’s believable and relatable, and that’s what i love about her-
Oakstar also knew Mapleshade can't go to twolegs place because Thunderclan was making raids on cats living there so they would kill her and kits and he knew damn well it was flood season..he basically send her kits to death
As much as Oakstar sucks I'm here to debug what you just said. That incident happened in Pinestar choice wayyy after Mapleshades death, therefore Mapleshade actually could've gone to the two leg place back then Plus we don't actually know what his true intentions were since he never said go to the river he just said to take her kits and leave- I don't agree with his actions, he still sucks but again we don't know what his true intentions were and what he did with the twolegs was years after Mapleshades death
Blackstar is my favorite shadowclan leader. People hate him cause he followed both brokenstar and tigerstar but he was being a loyal deputy. He is a great leader.
You are literally so underrated,I love watching your content.I have ADHD so I rarely actually finish videos but I am proud to say I always finish watching yours.
I think leopardstar is better than skystar because at least she feels guilt for what she did. Skystar didn't feel shame And I want to hug tallstar now. Oh and wasn't Rowanstar the cat who the fandom didn't know if they where a Tom or she-cat and died quickly? Or, that's how I felt about him. And so glad blackstar didn't make it on the list. Even though he did bad things as well
Long ago, the Four Clans lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when Rowanstar became leader. Also, Onestar. It's Sharptooth.
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SkyClan: You’ll never see me AGAINNNN
Harmony?in warrior cats?
Then Firestar said, YOU KICKED A CLAN OUT BECAUSE THEIR WERENT ENOUGH TREES!?!?!
Tallstar made Onewisker deputy because he wanted peace between Windclan and Thunderclan and feared Mudclaw would be too bloodthirsty, ironically Onestar became Mudclaw 2.0
What if Mudclaw was possessing Onewhisker after he became Leader as revenge?
@@mediatorraptor3349 Could be, Onewisker and Onestar feel like two different cats
@@startheangel9760 that would make for an interesting au.
okay but let's be real, Mudclaw wasn't that bad. He HAD every right to think he should have been deputy, and had tons of experience. We don't know for sure but I'm betting he would have actually done a better job than Onestar
@@slashercat8649 yeah, That least he wouldn't just raid a clan while his clan is starving or retreat on a fight with rogues
I feel sorry for tallstar, he was so hopeful.
Yeah, I liked Tallstar, I can even say he was better than the mental health issue ThunderClan blue leader
@@snackeater4990 I know, i was just comparing ;-;
Poor guy. I bet he wishes he could change that. Same as cookedstar.
I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard.
What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has.
It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat!
I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself.
Firestar is a great Leader, but ‚only’ as much as his broken, broken Culture allows. He’s a ‚relatively’ good Leader as much as he’s restrained: His World literally does not consider things like Trade or Peace-Offerings Moral.
Both Concepts are EVIL-HERESY-OF-EVILNESS.
If both sides have something the other wants and suffers withuot it, the Books present 2 Options ‚War or Peace-in-the-sense-of-suffering-in-Solemn’.
@@mushroomdad229 agreed
And what is even worse about onestar is that he insults bramblestar in crowfeathers trail in the worst possible way. Bramblestar comes to windclan and wants to talk about the tunnels and that he wants to team up with him and the only thing he does is saying that bramblestar should piss of and that he is just like tigerstar.
Like, COME ON he wants to help you and you insult him in the worst way you could!?
I mean... bramblestar is a jerk to squirrelflight
Tbh brambleclaw is a jerk
In the books like the new prophecy (I’m on the power of three so don’t kill me) he keeps saying he is nothing like tiger star BUT he trains with him in the dark forest to become deputy and his ambition to be leader, he also wanted firestar to make him deputy, when grey stripe was gone..
In the book The sight around page 94 (uh I cant remember if it’s hollypaw, lionpaw or jaypaw) but they saw him climb on the high rock because he is suspicious of he’s clan mates if thy would betray him
Ye and he treats squirrelflight trash
@@sapphirewingsxx6123 yes I know he is a jerk but I think it's just dumb to insult bramblestar in that moment when his clan is suffering from that animals 🤷🏻♀️
Yeah, Bramlestar is a jerk, but for once he was completely in the right. He was going out of his way to try and help windclan, but no, Onestar brings up something that had been put away years ago just to insult him. When he tried to help. And like half of windclan was injured. He had every right to be mad at Onestar
Bramblestar is a jerk but he's not Tigerstar! Firstly, I don't remember Bramblestar murdering anyone to become leader. Secondly, he was trying to prove he WASN'T like Tigerstar. Thirdly, he never took the chance to kill anyone for his ambition, and then in Sunset, he killed Hawkfrost instead of Firestar.
I'm not defending him, he sucks, but some of you are saying that because he's a jerk he's on the same level which is not true.
Onestar never served as a deputy, never had Tallstars direct mentorship, or the chance to adjust into a leadership role. He's a horrible, incompetent leader because he has no idea how to be a leader, never learned, and is too arrogant to ever even conceive his incompetency by accepting criticism, from anyone.
It reminds me of-
@@unchartedraider7547 Which cat?
The reason he did that because cats thought the only reason he became leader because firestar announced it and everyone thought they where friends. Still didn't make it right
Indeed
And it's partly his fault about darktail
The best thing is that Stoneteller would *HATE* the title of “Worst Clan Leader” more for the fact that it called him a ‘Clan Leader’ rather than the fact that it called him the ‘Worst Leader’.
XDDDD OH MY GOD YOU'RE RIGHT! He's so blind by his hatred towards the clans who are DIRECT DESCENDANTS of the tibe. So to call him the worst clan leader would Sting so much more because they're never gonna let him forget that like it or not? The tibe and the clans are strongly related.
Hekk I gotta say it
I hate Onestar. When he was Onewhisker, he was pretty cool tho.
I have to agree with you
Ikr, like did becoming a leader make him a terrible person too?? He got mad at his former friend for offering him help, like bRUH! He used to be so nice before he became leader, what happened??
same
I agree. What sad is that Tallstar chose him so he could have harmony with the other clans. Onestar did the exact opposite of that. Tallstar probrably regrets it a lot.
_couch_ smoke & darktail _couch_
“Ah Bramblestar, the only cat on this list I don’t loathe with every fiber of my body”
*Looks at Moonkitti’s recent video* Yeah that opinion’s probably gonna change..
I just watched that I’m honestly gonna watch a lot of rants about warrior cats stuff
Lol your not wrong
She actually said 'Every fibre of my being. Lol get grammared
You know, the best way to remedy the situation (because the Erins are never going to admit they screwed up their relationship so much) is to reveal Ashfur was manipulating Bramblestar for a while now. At least that will give us a...gray-ish slate to go from
My oc is named bramble claw lOL
As soon as OneStar went to StrarClan you know TallStar beat him and berated him as an failure to the clan.
is that true :0 he deserved it tho
@@fearlesswolf5633Its not confirmed and we will probably never know but I like the idea.
Definitely 😂😂😂
Mudclaw would have been a better leader than Onestar
Nah, Tallstar was too nice. Ashfoot- who had to bow down to and deal with his stupidity on a daily basis for so long-on the other hand....
One thing I think isn't touched upon enough with Onestar is that he prevented his medicine cat from doing his job- helping ShadowClan- because of a problem he created- Darktail. Medicine cats STAND ALONE from Clan conflict, it's part of THEIR code. The first 3 or 4 arcs make it clear that leaders have little to no say in how medicine cats do their job. They can cross borders as needed without challenge and are allowed to- even REQUIRED to- help any and all injured cats they come across. I mean, Echosong tried to use her knowledge on the injured Twoleg kit both because she was once a kittypet and because she is a medicine cat and really tore into Leafstar for her prejudice against making Frecklewish her apprentice simply because she (Frecklewish) was a Daylight warrior. Cinderpelt defied her own mentor to help Littlecloud and Whitethroat, not only sparking a passion for healing in Littlecloud but also a close, lifelong friendship between them. I hate when Leaders tell their medicine cats what the can and cannot do, who they can and cannot treat. That is for the MEDICINE CATS to decide, the leaders have such little say in the matter, if any. I think Firestar and Bluestar were lucky that medicine cats aren't allowed to cause harm to others, because I have no doubt in my mind that Yellowfang and Jayfeather would have torn into them (and possibly any warriors being reckless or just plain not listening) with more than just strong words when their leaders were acting up, ESPECIALLY Yellowfang. So when Onestar KNEW he had the herb ShadowClan so desperately needed and refused to allow the medicine cats to do their job, I nearly screamed and threw my book. He had no right. I was BEGGING Jayfeather to tell him off in his usual way or for Kestrelflight to actually stand up to him for once. I was like "dude, innocent cats are DYING and you can help! What happened to not leaving kits to suffer? Because kits were either sick, in danger of becoming sick, orphaned, or in danger of becoming orphans! How tf is this not against the code?" And his reasoning in the end really made me want to punch him in the face. Like, you are the reason this cat not only is the way he is, but also the reason for his very EXISTENCE and you want to pass the responsibility for him off on to others? That isn't how this works! You made a mess, now rub your nose in it and go sit in timeout.
how the heck did you type this
@@ccappa2001 very carefully lol I think I just posted a longer one in the comments of Moonkitti's (did I spell that right?) video on how Bramblestar is abusive to Squirrelflight.
You literally just spat so much straight truth right now. PREACH
@@CreeketsCreek lok thanks! I don't see it discussed a lot, so I often wonder if I'm wrong or not. Then I remember everything we saw/learned from the POV of Leafpool and Jayfeather and think "well, I'm wrong, then some of the best medicine cats in history are also wrong, so then I don't want to be right." I mean, Leafpool saved a drowning RIVERCLAN apprentice when RiverClan's own medicine cat apprentice froze because of how new she still was. StarClan TOLD Jayfeather where to get herbs ThunderClan desperately needed when borders were closed and approved of him taking what WindClan wasn't using. So obviously being a medicine cat extends beyond borders and is a role that is/should be out of the leader's control. Medicine cats almost always seem to be the most empathetic cats of the Clans, so it must have been pure torture for Kestrelflight to know a) cats are in trouble, b) he could help, and c) his own leader is holding him back from doing what he as a medicine cat needs to do. And Onestar putting him in that awkward, emotionally and mentally painful position to begin with is just wrong on him as a leader. And because it was all for such a selfish reason, that makes it so much worse. I'm not saying he should have gone to the Dark Forest over that (though his entire leadership overall SHOULD have been brought to question by his own StarClan trial) but they should have banished him to the edges of StarClan's territory to a while as punishment. I REALLY hope the cats most dear to him (Tallstar, his parents, ect.) at least ignore him as much as they can to show how absolutely disappointed they are in him. Darn, I'm going off another rant, sorry!
In Leafstar’s defense, I kinda get why she’d prefer to have a cat always in camp to be the next medicine cat, but that’s just me
with the oakstar/mapleshade situation:
i personally think if he wanted to punish her, he should've just exiled mapleshade and kept her kits for another queen to nurse. who and why would someone want to exile kits? for being born, something they literally can't control? idk, just my opinion
(sorry for the bad english, main language is french)
yeah I agree
@Nantsin Berry oh yeah, on the topic of that, wtf was the deal with starclan in that book? Why would they send an omen knowing it could result in three children drowning for no reason? I know starclan being incompetent is a running gag of this franchise but here they´re honestly just as awful as mapleshade herself.
@Nantsin Berry
The omen could have been misinterpreted and it's still no excuse to punish the kits
Besides Starclan sucks
Same.
@@ladydead7001 sol calling star’clan idiots is entirely right
Lets not forget the time bramblestar literally *threatened* to take his wife’s position from her and replace her as deputy only because she disagreed with his actions. He not only refuses to listen to others, but threatens and berates to get his way. He’s a horrible leader and a horrible mate! He was so much better as an apprentice and kit.
Edit: Even when tigerstar was committing bloodshed and ordering to kill kits leopardstar was still all “imma get in his pants at some point OwO” like wtf. She was a horrible leader, she let her emotions guide her which 9/10 lead to horrible decisions. Like when she got with tigerstar hoping he’d want in her pants!
There is so much more! I suggest Moonkittis video of Squirrel and Bramble!
Can we blame Ashford for that please the timelines add up close enough Fuck dammit I hate that book
Bramblestar was possessed
I would have LOVED to see a cat that was extremely close to Stonefur forcibly humble Leopardstar. Like, when she gets nasty at a gathering "hey, Leopardstar, remember that time you allowed a tyrant to kill your most loyal warrior because you had the joys for him?" Or when she's rambling about Graystripe being a traitor, "oh, you mean like how you betrayed Stonefur, Mistyfoot, Feathertail, and Stormfur?" Like a cat who made it obvious they were loyal to RiverClan and not Leopardstar- showing her own a very cold level of respect because she is the leader StarClan chose for RiverClan, but not a tiny bit more than that.
@@Prudence77 he wasnt possessed in squirrelflights hope
. . . *Oakstar kinda broke the warrior code-*
Like, in the warrior code, it says to take care of kits, no matter the origin
So, kicking Mapleshade and her kits out kinda breaks the warrior code
Well.. it actually says they can't *neglect kits that are in pain or in danger,* which was not the case for any of Mapleshade's kits at the time of her exile.
Even thought the code says injured, it probably extends to or putting in danger, in which he broke the code. Oh wait, the leaders word is law... we can’t win guys
@@itisamystery.5090 oakstar knew it was floodseason. He did it because he hated mapleshade. He could have taken a different approach.
One approach was to exile mapleshade in better circumstances.
Another was not to punish her kits maybe give her kits to a different queen to be raised.
Not only did he exile mapleshade but he ultimately caused the death of her kits. Where was she supposed to go? She couldnt have gone anywhere but Riverclan.
@@V_Rosez
The best approach here would have actually been _not_ hooking up with a cat from a rival clan, and thus not breaking the code in the first place herself― but I digress.
@@itisamystery.5090 same with Bluestar. Same with Graystripe.
If bluestar didnt mate with someone from a different clan her kit wouldnt have died and if graystripe didnt shag silverstream she would still be alive but I digress
I can't wait to hear someone rant about fictional cats. There is just something enjoyable about someone getting worked up about something but useing logical or rational facts.
Ikr? Gives me chills every time.
To me, it shows how much a person cares about characters and a series/franchise. And I appreciate that!
@Smol Gal I don't think you understood what I have said. I wasn't being sarcastic.
@@rogueturtle I just find it funni that we all care
Every clan leader:
Quiet Rage: Time to end these guys whole career in a few minutes with best details as to why 10 clan leaders suck.
iN a FeW MiNuTeS hUh?
The way Dawnpelt died is truly horrific. Being lead away in the night and slaughtered trying to escape. She was alone and terrified and no one came to help her and her fate remained unknown for such a long time.
Not to mention, her own daughter helped kill her! Yeesh.
😂
@@Whocares158 ?
@@brunettebi4111 Gosh I forgot about that part.
If Blackstar was still alive when Darktail arrived, I bet he’d be like “I’ll be right back” and take some of his elite warriors with him...so he can siege hell on Darktail and his goons
Before probably clawing Darktail’s eyes out and throwing him in the lake 😃
I had the same thought pretty much. If Blackstar had been alive you know that Darktails rampage would have ended faster than Redtail could die. That leader never f****d about. One of the reasons I love Blackstar.
True
Hed have beaten the crap out of the apprentices before standing up, smoothing his hair back, and going “alright back to patrols with you”
Exactly. You can't deny how thorough Blackstar was at dealing with these situations. What a downgrade with Rowanstar
Gonna make a quick prediction and see how close I can get to the list when it comes out.
We’ve seen quiet rage roast onestar and leopardstar over how bad they are, so they’re guaranteed to appear on the list somewhere.
I doubt she’ll include evil leaders since it would be kind of a cop-out, so brokenstar, tigerstar and a few others are out too.
We also know she hates tigerheartstar, not sure if he’ll be on the list or not though, since most of his bad actions happened before he became leader.
Oakstar and darkstar were jerks, and oakstar literally sent three children off to their deaths, so I’m guess he’ll be on there.
There’s also Darkstar, who added a really trash rule to the warrior code.
So, predictions for this list are I’m guessing at least the majority of these cats will be on the list:
Leopardstar
Onestar
Oakstar
Tigerstar 2 electric boogaloo
Darkstar (windclan)
Darkstar (riverclan)
Edit: also bluestar and rowanstar, almost forgot about them.
Thanks for reading this massive block of text. :>
Edit: wow, a lot of my predictions were true. That’s a poggers moment.
I completely forgot how nasty stoneteller was lmao
Scooter Mcpeanuts np
Oakstar doesn't seem important enough
oakstar did literally nothing wrong but ok
Melissa Rodgers he exiled a warrior who deliberately lied about her kids mate who had recently died. that’s completely fair ..
gracie he also exiled three children for no reason, which lead to their deaths.
Another thing about Bramblestar HE NEVER EVER LISTENS TO HIS DEPUTY OR HIS MEDICINE CATS FOR ANYTHING. ESPECIALLY HIS DEPUTY AND WIFE.
I think Leopardstar was manipulated by wanting to be on the powerful side and the fear of what would happen if she wasn't more than love and pride, although she certainly had a huge pride issue and love MIGHT have played a part (although I still don't buy it.) Regardless, she was willing to sacrifice the lives of her clanmates to keep her place in Tigerclan rather than stand up for them and at the very least that shows callousness.
OAKSTAR ALSO RAIDED TWOLEG PLACE TO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF KITTYPETS FOR NO REASON???
You gotta admit... Tallstar had no reason to believe he was so so wrong about Onewhisker. We all thought that was a good choice... until... well.. It was too late.
I still remember reading a part where Stormfur was bummed because he couldn't convince Stoneteller to try it his way and got Brook and him banished and Brook pretty much says "Don't worry he's old he'll die soon, then a new Stoneteller will be picked and we can go back" I reread that just to make sure I read it right and was thinking "Dude Brook, that's savage" 0_0
I have been watching this channel since 7th grade, this channel had taught me that I shouldn't be ashamed or scared to show my opinions. And look at me now! Detention every other day for arguing with my hypocritical teacher! Joking joking but I do frequently contest homework answers because my answer is valid and I know it is. I've also learned to find allies in a world where I normally felt alone. This channel also gave me the courage to express my extroverted nature and make myself a group of friends, something I have been dreaming of since 1st grade! What I'm trying to say is thank you, for inspiring and giving me hope. I am a proud member of rage clan, and I can't wait to see all the new generations of members that are bound to wash in!
Honestly, you should have roasted Clear Sky more. Like, waaaaay more. How many of Grey Wing’s mates did he steal or kill?
exactly, he even stole his son's love interest...
Not to mention he really made some crappy decisions
Okay I recently read Dotc and I'll defend Clear Sky. Yes he is a massive fucktward and has made some horrible descions but I think having Quiet Rain in A Forest Divided not only developed her character but Clear Sky's aswell. After she died I think he genuinely tried to make up for his actions to make her proud, even in her afterlife. And even with the terrible choices before hand, I could sorta see where he was coming from. Though I will say he is VERY lucky that his angel of a brother forgave him for everything. He shouldn't have got away completely with everything. I personally belive he's had the most fulfilling redemption arc I've ever read in this series.
Let's see here, bright stream, storm, led to the death of turtle tail, and refused to help slate when she was sick. DO YOU THINK JUST THANKING GRAY WING AND SAVING ONE OF HIS KITS WOULD MAKE UP FOR EVERYTHING YOU DID TO HIM!!??
He was also a bad father
"The word of the clan leader is the warrior code."
Honestly what's really pathetic about this one is that a leader was so crappy this rule had to come into existence.
Reading Leopardstars honor.....lets just say that this code allows her to pull all the racist and hothead bullshit she does. Just...the fact a kittypet tom, aka *AN OUTSIDER & MINORITY IN THE TRUEST SENSE* understands the way of a warrior better than clanborn cats is a testiment to how fucked up some of the cats are!
To be fair, I don't think anybody saw that onestar would change so drastically upon being named leader. It appeared like onestar was a good idea as a leader because he **was** Firestar's friend but... welp we learned now didn't we?
I think all the clans should work together and share their territories. They will still be separate clans, but equal clans. They'd be like-a huge group of cats put into smaller groups for organization purposes having multiple leaders because of the sheer number of cats in the clans. They could have outside-clan relationships, which I rlly think would help against the whole inbreeding thing.
It's a cool idea but I personally don't think it would work, the clans themselves are already too big. And while your plan may work in theory, people are always going to come along and corrupt the structure set in place. Imagine if this was the situation when tigerstar rose to power, this would only have given him even more influence. And the clans competing as separate nation states is what gives them distinct cultures morals, and ideals. It also gives a series of checks and balances, by encouraging friendly competition we help make sure no one clan gains too much power or influence. A leader will do what is best for their faction, and that isn't always what is best for the other three clans or even what they want. The individual clans should be able to function as their own entities. I of course respect your opinion and it was a great idea, I just personally disagree.
Yes! Exactly what I was thinking about!
You can blame Clearsky for that.
OMG yes, that would just be so nice. No more border battles!
Moonkitti Has a video about that
Okay but can we also acknowledge how Clear Sky abandoned his kit after he took Storm from Grey Wing, finds out she died because he drove her out w/ his actions & then lets his son go 3 times. He then becomes mates w/ the she-cat who used Thunder (Clear Sky's son) as a toy. Clear Sky had kits with a cat who emotionally hurt his son. He lost 2 mates by the time he got with her. Storm died because she stood up to Ckear Sky. Clear Sky took almost all of the only cats Grey Wing loved. He took Storm from him, got Turtle Tail killed & got Thunder to go with him multiple times. By the time Grey Wing was happy he was dead.
The only cat I like on this list is clearsky, I agree with everything you have said about him, I just personally find him REALLY interesting and enjoy his pov
I agree.
Me too! He’s kinda similar to Mapleshade actually. Everything that goes wrong in their pov is their fault and they blame others for it. But I really enjoy reading about them
Yep Pretty Much Agree With You
Yeah I like Clear Sky *because* he's a bad cat. Quiet is completely right he was an awful leader but he undoubtedly made DOTC as thrilling as it was.
This is for me to keep track. But anyone else is free to use these timestamps.
Quick warning, there will be spoilers. Villains don’t count.
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
03:35 Bramblestar (Thunder)
10:13 Darkstar (Sky)
13:27 Skystar/Clear Sky (Sky)
17:52 Leopardstar (River)
21:56 Oakstar (Thunder)
35:18 Raggedstar (Shadow)
40:24 Swiftstar (Wind), Redstar (Thunder), Birchstar (River) and Dawnstar (Shadow)
44:43 Onestar (Wind)
52:50 Rowanstar (Shadow)
01:00:34 Stoneteller (Tribe)
I have an honorable mention for RiverClan: Mistystar in The Broken Code arc.
I’m surprised Blue wasn’t mentioned.
I’m with ya on Misty tho. Good heavens.
Yes Mistystar really grew terrible in The Broken Code
@@Frostfern94 Nooo Bluestar was awesome
@@osumguild6513 I love Bluestar as a power but later on, she was a terrible leader because of her mental health break.
Also, Michah's death motivates Moth Flight to make the Medicine Cat cant have kits rule. Also Pinestar. Raggedstar was probably hoping Brokenstar would be a good leader since he grew up similarly being rejected for being born half kittypet. Tallstar must be rolling in Starclan.
Indeed
Honestly, we need a black star super
edition.
Where's the poll? I want to vote for the Blackstar super edition.
@@dragonquill3182 Poll on here? They removed those.
@@juliaguevara4512 Yeah I looked it up. Looks like Leopardstar won.
@@dragonquill3182 We are getting one aren’t we?
@@Frostfern94 For Leopardstar? Probably.
Dude, Onestar literally denied Thunderclan's help too, and then proceeded to insult Bramble (WHO LITERALLY TRIED HELPING THEM-) and proceeded to attempt drive the stoats into TC's territory- AHHH
And yeah, Onestar sucks so much omg
kinkfur is a cat in warriors
Yeah.
Hdid Gdyxj
Stupid excuse. You can deny someone’s help, but don’t try to ENDANGER their clans and INSULT them. (And mock them for their kin, which is a soft spot)
When I first read the scene where Quiet Rain roasts Clear Sky... I can't express how satisfied I felt (but then she died and forgave him and this sucks. Seriously, he's such an asshole who never learns his lesson, and everyone loves him or comes to love him. How?)
Well, in my opinion his character changend a lot (sorry for grammer, English is not my native language)
It was shown at first, but in MV and SL he went back to being an asshole
And here's the worst part for Stone Teller: He could've been fixed in Dawn. Unlike the other books he was actually good there. He was quite generous to the clan's when they stayed, he let TallStar make CrowPaw into a warrior within their home, and overall was a good person. And guess what? Into the trash that goes. What could've been a changed Stone Teller ended up being an absolute douche with no development whatsoever. This is really the only cat on this list I would want a novella for the sole purpose of figuring out what the hell made him change so rapidly.
"Raggedstar is an entitled parent" is the best description I've ever heard of him.
She didn't fall in love with Tigerstar. That was an author headcanon but not the official reason she joined him.
Actually, they do say she wanted tigerstar as a mate in one of the field guide's!
In “a shadow in river clan” she literally says she hoped he would eventually ask her to be his mate when she joined him
@@FluttercordFOREVER Fair enough. I figured it wasn't something the authors agreed on because there wasn't really confirmation until recently and there was more evidence against than for. It seemed like a headcanon but you guys are right.
@@FluttercordFOREVER It might've been more of a solidifying the alliance thing/I think this is a smart move thing more than a "I'm in love" thing. At least, that's what I'm hoping because her being in love with him is just... so dumb.
@@FluttercordFOREVER tbh I think it would have been more of a political marriage than an actual romance
Tallstar before death: "I want Onewhisker to be leader to avoid needless conflict."
*The book Eclipse happens*
Shrewclaw and Mudclaw: *laughing maniacally in the background while Tallstar is just facepalming*
Because of your drawing style, it has inspired me to continue drawing. Before I kept seeing other people's better drawings so I gave up. But now, I realized that it doesn't matter your drawing style just matters that you like it.
Oakstar also unreasonably attacks kittypets in tbe twoleg place and regurlary sent raids there.
It only happens once in Pinestar’s Choice. (I’m sorry I know this was 3 years ago)
Also, Brokenstar didn't have kits because theres not a she-cat in all 4 of the clans crazy enough to have sex with him. XD
Just go after golden flower or Sasha I’m sure that’ll work out 😃👍🏽
@@ivypoolstherapist1919 they only fucked Tigerstar because the guys built like if Chris Hemsworth were a cat. Also, he may have allowed his ambition to drive him, but he wasn't completely insane.
@@OverTheMoon891 Sasha actually wasn't with Tigerstar knowing he was evil. She was a kitty pet, then loner, that had no idea. He just seemed very charming to her. She ended up eventually leaving him, and though she always loved him, knew he was messed up. Tigerstar was charismatic.
@@MidnightWhisper ?? I didn't say she was? I said he was handsome af and thats why he got all the babes xD that has nothing to do with whether or not he was evil or if they knew about that. 😂
Tallstar i love you.
But i never forgive you for made onewhisker leader, or maybe appeared in his dreams and says
What you did!!!
So... Can I just head canon that onestar has a napoleon complex..
It makes me curious about what would’ve happened if Mudclaw became leader, or maybe even Deadfoot
@@dez2950 ok deadfoot most definitely would have been a good leader
I would have loved deadfoot as a leader. And I forgive him for one reason, at the time one star and firestar where friends, and one star was a level headed, good warrior, but he changed.
Same
3:35 10. Bramblestar (thunderclan)
10:12 9. Darkstar (skyclan)
13:27 8. Clear sky/skystar (skyclan)
17:52 7. leopardstar (riverclan)
21:56 6. Oakstar (thunderclan)
25:19 cooldown (skip to 35:19)
35:19 5. Raggedstar (shadowclan)
40:24 4. Swiftstar (windclan),redstar (thunderclan),birchstar (riverclan),darkstar (shadowclan)
44:43 3. Onestar (windclan)
52:51 2. Rowanstar (shadowclan)
1:00:34 1. Stoneteller (rushing water)
I'd like to say that Bramblestar actually was possessed...by the writers themselves. Remember that Erin Hunter, the "author" of the series, is actually a pseudonym for a team of seven different people who worked together to create this. With so many characters to keep track of, it's no wonder the writing for some individuals is highly inconsistent.
THIS IS WHY FIRESTAR SHOULD HAVE CHOSEN SANDSTORM AS DEPUTY!!!!!!
But I don’t think sand had a apprentice yet
@@hexveil So didn't Bramble, but Leafpool got a sign of Starclan, that brambleclaw should be made leader and convinced Firestar.
Screw you, Starclan...
Sandstorm already had kits so there is no hope, but I wish she was deputy to Firestar. Things would have been happy
Or Cloudtail, or BrightHeart, or literally any other cat then Bramblejerk
if sandstorm became the leader im sure things would have turned out much better and lionblaze wouldn't be in the place of leader
While I 100% agree with you about MOST of the things you said about Leopardstar (she was a terrible leader, way too proud, irrational, made absolutely terrible decisions on behalf of RiverClan and cause them to be the WORST Clan for generations, but banishing and threatening Graystripe is at the very tip of the iceberg for me. Graystripe was a traitor. There's no way around it, no matter how much people loved him, they can't ignore the facts. He didn't raise a single claw to protect his kits and pledged his loyalty to RiverClan and Leopardstar when he decided to be a complete mouse-heart and follow his kits to RiverClan. Leopardstar was testing him. She saw through hus disloyalty from miles away, and in the end, he chose Fireheart over his own offspring and betrayed RiverClan in more ways than one. So yeah, threatening to kill Graystripe for abandoning his adopted Clan wasn't super detrimental to Leopardstar for me, it was everything she did AFTER that made me hate her and her "leadership," if you can even call it that.
I wouldn't even blame Graystripe for this if we hadn't seen this exact same thing happen with Dovewing and seeing her make the right choice and lie in the nest she made for herself. She made the decision that it was more painful to not be with Tigerheart than it was to not be a part of ThunderClan, so she followed him and their kits to ShadowClan and remains loyal to him and her new Clan to this day. Graystripe chose Fireheart over his kits and his Clan, that makes him a traitor and puts Leopardstar in the right.
The reason Stoneteller thought Stormfur was the chosen cat and ignored Feathertail was because the scene before then had all 6 cats go through a waterfall within the cave, causing Feathertail's fur to go almost black from being wet instead if it's usual silver colour. So Stoneteller assumed Stormfur was the chosen one since his fur stayed gray/dark silver when it was wet.
And I agree
Don’t laugh at Tallstar’s words, he didn’t know. Onewhisker treated ThunderClan in a very friendly way for seasons, and that’s what Tallstar knew about him. Mudclaw was openly hostile so he thought he saw what could happen if Mudclaw was leader.
Poor Petalfur... That poor cat didn’t deserve the faith she got...
I don't want to edit my Bluestar comment further with another topic, but... I think it was the right decision to exile Sky Clan back in the past. And I'm a huge fan of Sky Clan myself.
When the four leaders decided to exile them, they named one of their reasons as "there might not be enough prey during leafbare", and there's one leafbare in particular that makes me think they were right, that might've killed ALL the clans if Sky Clan was still around. We hear from that leafbare in several stories, but mostly from Gorsetails and Redstars stories - the terrible leafbare that left kits fighting over bones to feed on and killed off several cats in Thunder Clan, including the leader Dawnstar. In Tallstar's Super Edition we hear that Wind Clan only survived a certain leadbare because the diggers were able to hunt rabbits, and in Crookedstar's Super Edition we hear the Elders talking of a leafbare where the river was frozen so much, that they had to live off the scrawny prey they could find in the woods. We never know how Shadow Clan fared during that leafbare, but I don't think they were off much better, meaning, if prey was barely enough for 4 Clans to survive, imagine how devestating this leafbare would've been, if Sky Clan was also there, fighting for prey.
The decision to exile Sky Clan was cruel, but it might've saved all Clans, only that no Clan now does remember what could've been if Sky Clan had been around.
Mapleshade is the one ultimately responsible for most of what happens in her book.
She never lie about their kits that was an idea from frecklewish.
Well she don't denied but that was for save their kits
Appledusk was the one who cheated on both Mapleshade and Reedshine. Reedshine loved her mate to where the point of even advocating for him despite the fact that he was cheating jerk being exposed so that the current RiverClan leader ( Who’s name I forgot ) wouldn’t severely punish or exile him.
Mapleshade knew it was against the code and assumed that she could bypass the code just because she was a “good warrior”.
She’s also the one who decided on crossing the rushing river in the storm which I believe Appledusk, who’s still a jerk had to rescue her from. Oakstar’s still a jerk.
All Ravenwing did was his job, and it was petty of Mapleshade to murder him just because he was doing his job and reporting the code being broken.
But he didn't have to do that. he didn't have to exile the kits then. we know there are different ways to punish cats for cross clan relationships he could have done any of them but he decided to take it out on the kits. That is what's wrong, he took it out on helpless kittens. Not saying what Mapleshade did was justified but he probably should have lost one of his lives to Mapleshade. He was a horrible leader.
Oakstar exiled Mapleshade in the first place
StarTheAngel After Mapleshade lied by omission about the kits being his dead sons. After she broke the code because she believed herself to be above it.
Mapleshade decided to get her kits in the river, not Oakstar.
"Please don't fight her, she's off her meds"- Fireheart
if you rearrange the letters in Onestar you get treason
t r e a s o n
💀
Bramblestar abused Squirrelflight (see Moonkitti's video "Bramblestar is worse") so he was never good at all. He's always been the boring cardboard cut-out that he is.
Nooo. He was good as an apprentice, then everything after that he is SOOOOOO BADD. HE SUCKS SO MUCH AFTER THE FIRST SERIES. HE CAN GO TO THE DARK FOREST.
@@Cloud_peepon
Agreed, he was good in the first series, a little less in the second,
and after that he’s bad.
I'm pretty sure he changed when he became leader, from what I remember about the writing of his character through the Warriors series
@@Cloud_peepon Yeah, he was interesting in the first arc but after that he sucked.
Exactly! They literally took a perfectly good apprentice from The Prophecies Begin and completely SABOTAGE HIS CHARACTER! Like,what the bloody hell?!
I mean, Mapleshade essentially caused what happened to her (she fell in love with a cat who killed her leader’s son, she lied about the father of her kits, she chose to cross the river knowing it would be rough) so pretty much everyone in Mapleshade’s Vengence is terrible (minus the kits, Ravenwing was doing his job, Frecklewish couldn’t really do anything, and Reedshine was innocent)
I hate when someone says ravenwing was doing his job when the warrior code says protect the kits, what it's more important.
Being a good medicine cat don't Made him a good cat
Erandi Escalante well, she was going against the code for having those kits with a Riverclan cat
Mapleshade was already in love before appledusk kills birchface
@@rudyproductions1226 and the kits deserve being vanished?
@@Amanecer458 Still doesn't change the fact that she broke the code tho. But I still blame Oakstar for banishing those kits for a grudge
StormFur and SquirrelFlight should have been together, they would have been the perfect pair. Could have avoided Ashfur and BrambleClaw
What about Crowfeather?
@@starvoltnexus3139 crowfeather was with leafpool not squirrelflight
Or Shrewpaw , if he survived...
Or Moonlight… too bad she died
So true about that Barnes and Nobles bullshit! Had to find extra scenes online that explains so much in future books! Don’t even live near any of that store either! Here I thought needletail was being a brat til I read that scene. It made so much sense!
That watermelon and beans picture made me irrationally uncomfortable. XD
Imagining Raggedstar with a karen haircut from now on lmao.
Or leopardstar
I hope Bramblestar is on here
@@_justsomeidiot_9406 glares.
@@_justsomeidiot_9406 Espessally since Moonkitti's recent video, I have a huge distain for him
Bramblekit and Bramblepaw are precious ngl
@@ven0pede805 yeah they are but the Erin's had to mess him up :(
Find it ironic how he didn’t want to be an ass like his father and... well...
Alright alright alright, lemme back you up there. No, Oakstar was not directly responsible. Even if he still cast Mapleshade out, she had other options. She could've gone to the ShadowClan or WindClan border until the floods died down, or gone straight to Four Trees until the floods ended. In the end, it was *her* choice to being them across the river, and *that's* what's what killed them.
Please keep in mind that I haven't read Mapleshade's Vengeance, so if ant of these options are debunked in the book, please tell me.
From what I remember the other clans wouldn’t of liked her in their territory, river clan was about it, she couldn’t live around the twolegs because of conflict between them and her former clan, the kits did quite a lot of walking already and were likely too exhausted to really anywhere, and she was banished so she couldn’t just stay there in thunderclan. Crossing was pretty much it, oakstar likely knew this and should of known of flood season! He sent kits to their potential death. If a predator attacked them maple wouldn’t be able to fight it off. Not to mention banishing helpless kits who did nothing wrong without even knowing if they’ll be safe after leaving goes against the warriors code! You always help a kit in trouble, protecting kittens is very important no matter where they came from. He banished them, putting them in danger, he broke the code. He was responsible for their deaths. They were too young to be banished like that! The least he could of done was given her and her kits some guards to escort them to their new home to ensure the kits would be ok, then when they can’t cross allow her to stay till the river calms. The fact he didn’t do this and let petty anger and revenge cloud his mind proves he’s not fit to be a leader.
Can't imagine you would be thinking rationally after getting kicked out of your home, everyone turning against you, your former friend physically attacking you and also having three kids to take care of.
Yeah, no wonder she wasn't thinking rationally
This video was awesome! You’ve really improved your editing, writing, and the over all video quality a lot and I’m just really stoked to have not missed the premiere! Talking to my fellow RageClan members was fun! I love your stuff and your videos are even more fun to watch live!
I agree with a lot of your choices. But I think a few more cats should have been there:
Pinestar
Bluestar
I understand you couldn’t include everyone because of rule 2, but I just think those leaders sucked as well.
AGREED! Although maybe this is just me but bluestar is the worse offender, her self destructive actions nearly lead to her clan collapsing and get naming bright heart after her disability was just down right cruel!
spector wing
Good thing she wasn’t as bad when Fireheart first went to ThunderClan.
@@Cloverrfrostt
Greypaw: want to join thunderclan?
Bluestar: starclan had abandoned us! You! One eye! Smallear! Your disabilities disgrace the clan, go form now on you shall be half blind and deaf!
Rusty: I mean... It um looks like fun but um I just remembered I am getting married to my fiance here in a few hours so um BAI!
spector wing
Is Smudge his fiancé?
@@Cloverrfrostt absolutely is
Man, I knew cats can be jerks, but these guys completely throw that sort of thing out the freaking window
In my opinion;
_It's either Firestar gets boring after becoming leader, or the new prophecy is badly written._
*_Or both_*
Yeahhhh
While i was reading Moonrise i kept thinking "isn't Feathertail literally a silver cat? Preeeetty sure she's the chosen one"
And i was right...
I may of cried when she died
Time to put there bad names in order I will start and there has to be different people to put these bad names in order. Also put the leaders name before the bad names.
10. Bramblestar= Dumbstar
9: darkstar = immaturestar
8. Territoryvoilencestar
6. Exileinnocentkitsstar
5monarchblindidiotstar
4: The 4 other leaders= The holy trinity of eviction
14:15 - ‘He was the founder of the Clans.’
Me: But Gray Wing named them! Take that Clear Sky
You know, with seeing all this, Tigerstar wasn’t actually that terrible of a leader for Shadowclan. If he’d have not committed all those murders he’d probably have been half decent, but at least he was a better mate to Goldenflower and Sasha than Bramblestar is to Squirrelflight :/
No to that last part I know the Erins have absolutely failed on making BrambleFlight Healthy but no
@@starvoltnexus3139 i mean, he sucked but he didn’t abuse them, though its a pretty low bar when it comes to healthy relationships in the series
It was actually confirmed that Tigerclaw never loved Goldenflower, and just wanted a legacy. Goldenflower did love him, though. And we never got to know how it must’ve been for her to learn Tigerclaw never actually cared about her.
Healthy relationships in warriors are never seen up close. Only the toxic ones. And that sucks.
Tigerstar loved killing and was ambitious to take over the forest. What good does this do for shadow clan?
@@pillowmomentI don’t mean to be rude but, source
This is kinda random but-
I hate it when leaders are to reliant on star clan, and get scared when they don’t get a message for a moon or few weeks. It annoys me and makes me think they don’t rely on their clan mates and would be the cat to sit around and wait for star clan to save the day during a battle/fight. It makes me think they are clingy and don’t know how this effects clanmates and other clans.
This was an amazing video! You should do Top ten worst mother's next :3
*Nightcloud*
Only 3 cats come to me
Nightcloud
Lizardstripe
R A I N F L O W E R
YES!!!!
You didn't mention that Mappleshade lied to Oakstar when she said her kits were Birchface's. Mappleshade didn't just lied about kits' origins but also used Birchface's death as an alibi for herself. Oakstar's choice is understandable as a father who had the illusion to see his dead son in those kits who at last are the kits of the one who murdered his son.
While Mapleshade was definitely in the wrong, it was still cruel of him to punish the kits for it. They were innocent. He could've punished her without abandoning kits. Part of the warrior code is also to help kits regardless of clan. He was a leader and shouldn't have let his emotion get the better of him and partly cause kits to die. I'm not saying Mapleshade is innocent, but he was one of the most wrong characters in the book as well.
@@MidnightWhisper I agree with you there.
i despise bramblestar. he’s an idiot, and only a firestar wannabe. i wish the erins made a cat who actually deserved the position leader, like hollyleaf (this is my opinion, and feel free to reply who you think should’ve been made leader instead of bramblestar or simply just think he’s an okay leader). think draikinator’s hollystar au. not only would’ve that given brambleclaw some good character growth, but i (i bet along with at least a few others) REALLY wanted to see hollyleaf become leader while i was reading Power of Three. and cmon who else thinks it’s stupid the erins brought her back from the dead only to kill her immediately. if you’re still reading this, thanks for listening to me ramble on about fictional cats-
Honestly I think squirrelflight would of been cool leader! She comes up with cool ideas and I want her to be in power over bramble for once. He’s such an arrogant prick to her..Since he’s leader he just pushes her around as he pleases, if she was leader I feel like she might be willing to put her foot down and refuse to take his abuse.
Brackenfur would of also been super nice!
*P U R D Y S T A R*
@@thedancingmoonfoxy7272 No I don't think she was
@@scootermcpeanuts6699 BAHAHAHAA YES
too bad he's dead :'C
@@scootermcpeanuts6699 JAVSHWJWJAH YESSS
Kick the beans is actually a fantastic turn of phrase, no need to apologize
You forgot to mention the Oakstar didn’t broke the Warrior code once, but twice. By expecting Thunderclan territory, up to the kittypet territory for no reason. Meaning his warriors can attack Kittypets in their own yard
You did Leopardstar dirty, my man. She's an amazing, complex and believable character and it's terrible to see how pretty much universally disliked she is.
She starts as the only surviving kit of a litter, she's spoiled from the start and always told she's special and going to achieve a lot. She faces a hardship that is a unique situation of having a father who decides to become a medicine cat (i'd love to see a Leopardstar novella exploring what it meant for her). She's very ambitious and everyone expects a lot from her, which can be awfully stressful. I think every "gifted child" can relate.
After Crookedstar's death, as a freshly made inexperienced leader, she has to make a very difficult decision about allying with Tigerstar. And because of wanting to prove herself and be the best leader possible for her clan, she makes a terrible mistake. Does something that is every one of her fears. (Also theres no romamtic motivation for that at all, it's not canon)
Was it absolutely frustrating to see her not take any action when Stonefur was killed and mixed clan cats discriminated against? Yes. But that's also what's tragic- she couldn't really do anything, if she opposed Tigerstar it'd only lead to more bloodshed in a battle between her and his warriors. She chose what she thought was a lesser evil.
After Tigerstar's death, she clearly wanted to make up for her mistakes, but didnt know how to. She worried about Feathertail not feeling at home in RiverClan, but didnt know how to talk to her. TW SUICIDE MENTION But she sure felt guilty, to the degree that in the battle with the fox she was going to sacrifice herself to save hawk, feather and storm. looking at her words, i think it can be even interpreted as a suicide attempt after the guilt has been eating her for all that time, she saw it as the only way to make herself worth something. But in the end, Feathertail saw that and forgave her.
Later Leopardstar didn't have a role that big but from what we saw, she was a pretty okay leader though. Not the greatest, but also far from the worst. She learned from her mistakes, made up for them as much as it was possible and was a good leader later.
Imo Leopardstar's character arc is one of the most powerful ones in the entire warriors series and she deserves way more appreciation
Onestar’s super addition should’ve been about taking accountability. I can imagine him appearing in the starclan court, the main head honchos there, onestar, assuming they are just going to give him a pat on the back like what actually happens, goes towards them, but sees smoke glaring at him, as she is there to testify against him. He feels a tiny bit regretful, at everything he did to smoke, but can’t think for long as the trial soon starts. Starclan points out his many faults and all he’s done, and eventually does mention one or two redeeming qualities, but they eventually end up deciding he doesn’t deserve starclan, so he goes down to the dark forest, angry and bitter about his placement, pretty much all alone after the great battle, he can only ponder his life, or try to lick starclan’s boots to bring him up, but can never set aside his own pride to be good enough to return. The end could show tall star looking back on his mistake of switching out mud claw, the two sides of his brain fighting on if he made the right decision, mudclaw or onewhisker? Until Jake sees him and consoles him, that even if he can’t change his past decisions, he can still warn the living cats not to do what he did.
Bramblestar with a dunce cap is the best thing I've ever seen
About the Bramblestar thing...
You know what he did?
You know what he did?
YOU KNOW WHAT HE DID?
Gave those cats his kits to mentor.
I'm suprised that ripplestar wasn't here
He was a shadowclan leader, he lead an suprise attack on the other clans on a gathering he almost kills the thunderclan leader but lighting hit him and he died. After that the code of "the clans stand on equal ground on a gathering."
I think she didn't include him because the book clearly potrayed him as the bad guy unlike the leaders on this list who were all seen as good guys
despite their terrible actions.
Its gonna be 10 pm for me when this releses.
Ok but imo leopardstar wasn’t nearly as bad as skystar lol
Actually, Skystar should be in the top 3... he’s literally a murderer and has no remorse
Yeah at least she was willing to die for Feathertail and the others in "A Shadow in RiverClan" and begged her to leave her there and save herself. She still had issues but that was somewhat of a redemption and the sole reason she was forgiven.
I just love the way you laugh when reading the end of Tallstar's revenge XD
You know, I just LOVE when a character (Bramblestar) goes through some MAJOR character development only to forget said development and regress to their starting stage as the books go on!!
(I'm being sarcastic)
BlackStar is awesome! He's one of my favorite characters and I love that he is getting the praises he deserves! ❤️
Just wanted to give you a heads up Quiet Rage, that the link to your patreon leads to a 404 page because the "I" from your next sentence got attached to it! Just wanted to let you know so could edit it so that people can use the link :)
let's goooooooo
missed ya quiet! :D
“Good sweaty gumdRoPs bRaMblEsTaR!”
Can I say I think Firestar is overrated and to perfect for the story, like he has no problems, or the ones that he does have, they are always solved? He shouldn’t have got to spend time with Spottedleaf, he doesn’t deserve her. I think Squirrelflight is a great character in comparison. She dosnt always get what she wants and has actual problems.
Tdlr: ChipperSkies rants about Firestar being a stupid character and Squirrelflight being awesome
(I’m getting a Squirrelflight plushie for Christmas and she’s my favorite character :D)
i think the exact same thing! he is a HUGE HUGE HUGE mary sue (b-but male-), he’s in a bazillion prophecies, everyone loves him, and he gets away with literally everything! he’s just not a believable character. squirrelflight is great though, as she’s one of the most personality packed characters in the books. she’s believable and relatable, and that’s what i love about her-
@@kitkat7316 Same!
I love firestar he’s my favorite character.
@@mypsquuylst Oh, that’s totally fine! This is just my personal opinion.
@@Krill_Phil it’s okay and i hope I didn’t make it sound like i don’t like your opinion plus your kinda right 😂
OMG YES I CANT WAIT
I loved this! Mire than worth the wait if you ask me! It always feels good when these leaders get what's coming to them.
Oakstar also knew Mapleshade can't go to twolegs place because Thunderclan was making raids on cats living there so they would kill her and kits and he knew damn well it was flood season..he basically send her kits to death
As much as Oakstar sucks I'm here to debug what you just said. That incident happened in Pinestar choice wayyy after Mapleshades death, therefore Mapleshade actually could've gone to the two leg place back then
Plus we don't actually know what his true intentions were since he never said go to the river he just said to take her kits and leave-
I don't agree with his actions, he still sucks but again we don't know what his true intentions were and what he did with the twolegs was years after Mapleshades death
Blackstar is my favorite shadowclan leader. People hate him cause he followed both brokenstar and tigerstar but he was being a loyal deputy. He is a great leader.
4:05 It hurts. The picture... it hurts like hell
another thing about oakstar: he would attack kittypets in their OWN yards just because they were "capable of causing trouble"
“Please don’t fight her, she’s off her meds” xD
You are literally so underrated,I love watching your content.I have ADHD so I rarely actually finish videos but I am proud to say I always finish watching yours.
Hey Quiet you should moderate the next presidential debate 🤣
It’s nice to see you post another Warrior cats video! Great video and I agree with your choices ☺️
Tbh the analysis of Brokenkit started to make me think of Yandev
LMAO the captions say “his ability to see past Lamborghinis” 😂
I think leopardstar is better than skystar because at least she feels guilt for what she did. Skystar didn't feel shame
And I want to hug tallstar now.
Oh and wasn't Rowanstar the cat who the fandom didn't know if they where a Tom or she-cat and died quickly? Or, that's how I felt about him.
And so glad blackstar didn't make it on the list. Even though he did bad things as well
I’d put medicine cats hove the deputies (as they have WAY more influence over the leader) but your model makes sense.
Because UA-cam won’t let me edit my comments-
Above.
Not hove.