At the last game of the Wimbledon final vs Djokovic, Alcaraz did the oppposite of what JCF would have told him to do, and that was all Alcaraz merit, haters gonna keep crying
Federer and Alcaraz drop shots not in the same league. Federer mostly used it on the backhand. Alcaraz does it on both sides and also disguises it very well.
If Alcaraz can indeed defend his title at Wimbledon, it would be incredibly historic. If he does not, people in social media and the press will declare him as a failure. Again.
Honestly I think the French Open title was huge for shutting down that rhetoric. No matter what happens the rest of the year or what his ranking ends up being, he added to his Slam total, and that’s what’s important.
I don’t think Alcaraz defends his title this year: main reason being the channel Slam (RG and Wimby back to back) is extremely hard to accomplish and happened very rarely in the Open era. He might do it at some point but probably not on his first attempt
@@harrdeeharr Very true. If you look at Sinner's accomplishments at Carlos current age, the biggest tournament Sinner won back then at the same age as Carlos is right now was a 500 ATP title (Washington 2021). Carlos at the same age: won 3 GS, 5 Masters titles, and people in social media and tennis experts still criticize him. It's unfathomable. I just don't get it. 😔
@@BillyBob-xi9ihI wished he could win; but statistically speaking; it is hard. It is a lot to ask for a young player at his age to act like Roger Federer
@@tjg6176 Roger didn't even win his first GS title yet at Carlos current age (21).😭 Roger was a month shy of turning 22 when he won his first GS at Wimbledon 2003. Carlos already won 3 Grand Slams at 21, and people are still criticizing him.😭
Wow! I Wasn't really expecting to watch my comment be addressed in this mailbag haha. I think your analysis of Draper is spot on. I feel that the pressure he'll face at Wimbledon will certainly be a deciding factor in his performance this year. Certainly, his stamina in 5 sets will be another interesting factor. However, I truly do believe he can be really dominant this year and in the future on grass, and I'm looking forward to his growth as a competitor. I didn't really know much about him but watched his recent come up and was quite surprised! You'll definitely be seeing more of me in the mailbag, thanks for getting a response out. Love the channel Gill!
I understand there are fans for all players but the disrespect that Alcaraz gets about his problem solving on court is biased. Coaches are overrated imho. Players still have to perform and execute. Cowches are there to motivate, train and teach technicalities etc. ofcourse strategy is discussed but dont make it sound like players are dummies or robots. Alcaraz has a very high tennis IQ
Honestly the criticism Alcaraz gets is utterly ridiculous! Yes JCF coaches him during a match. But the guy still has to execute! Like give him some credit. He’s 3-0 in grand slam finals.
Carlos is a great player for sure. I am not on court only from watching TV, but recently, a match, commentator said that Carlos’ coach signaled Carlos to adjust his position to return a 2nd serve. Such situation happens often. My impression is that Carlos’ coach does coach more not only game plan, but into a lot of ‘details’. Since coaching is legit, so nothing wrong, but I guess the perception is that Carlos gets more coaching than for instance Sinner or Novak.
It's as if no one sees coaching other than for Carlos. I've watched Steph's dad, Sinner's coach telling him to "do something different", Rune's mom, I could go on... It's just the haters who keep this nonsense going.
I was just going to comment about Queens 2023 and then you brought it up! He came back from a set down in the first round and then ended up winning the tournament without Ferrero, so idk how anyone can say he’s not a problem solver. Even if we bring up AO 2024 against Zverev, where Alcaraz was lost for the first half of the match, he still came back from 2-5 in the 3rd set and won it in a tiebreak. And that was when Zverev was still serving at around 75%. That’s a huge argument toward Alcaraz figuring things out
Hi Gill, for the Olympics question I think you should have also mentioned about Russian and Belarusian players having to play under a neutral flag, with no anthem if they win the gold medal, and having to jump through a lot of hurdles to "prove" their neutrality etc.. So for these athletes the decision-making calculus is tilted even more in favour of not playing. It is no surprise that so many of the athletes that have decided not to play are Russian or Belarusian.
Alcaraz is 21 years old and as you’ve mentioned won major tournaments without his coach present. He’s won majors on the different surfaces and that requires being able to think and problem solve on your own. Whether the coach is there or not makes very little difference. I think some people will try any and everything just criticize him.
Everyone talking about the coaching situation but if I’m a player and I’m paying a coach thousands of dollars a year out of my pocket I would want to utilize that resource as much as possible. It’s one thing to have the info but the player still needs to execute at a high level to win. All other sports have coaches that advise players during the game. Tennis has changed and it’s a resource that players can now access
The Olympic Games tennis tournament is a joke. No ranking points to be gained, 2 out of 3 matches played, and relatively weak competition. The soccer people (FIFA) have it right: participation is restricted to players under 23 years of age. Thus, the Olympic Games football tournament does not interfere with the World Cup. What also bothers me is the American laziness of calling the Olympic Games, Olympics. If one wants to use a single word might as well use the correct one.: Olympiad.
Thank you for addressing the excellent question from marjery3 on the difficulty players have balancing Olympic ambitions with important tournaments. And if they do win, as is the case with Zverev, his Olympic gold is often diminished due to his not having won a GS. One can only continue to marvel at the almost impossible achievement of Steffi Graf in 1988, when she won the only Golden Slam in this history of the sport. It may never be repeated.
Very interesting to see how Jack develops. Perhaps it will be like Sinner, just taking gradual steps. As for Carlos and JCF. Ive noticed that Carlos doesn't always do what JCF says anyway. Also - mid point ferrero has no impact and there are rallies that can really extend. I dont buy it at all. What I do think might have happened is more like a security blanket effect -- JCF has been there for his biggest wins and is like a second father. I also think he feels like he wants to impress him and there's an extra sense of performance.
One might also just say that skipping the Olympics might be a compassionate choice as you give an opportunity to someone else whom it is more important to to experience the Olympics. If I were a professional tennis player (who would be eligible to play the Olympics), that might be the argument that would push me over the edge not to play along with all the other arguments that were mentioned. Give someone else the opportunity to experience it whom it would mean the world to. If you are top 50, you'd probably get more chances to play the Olympics anyway (bit depending what country you're from) It would also be a good defensive argument for all of those who were to judge you for skipping the Olympics
The analytics in tennis has always been there. Maybe not formally, but in tennis you have always played to your strengths, the opponent's weaknesses, the type of court and the conditions. The other major sports in the US have been late to the party regarding analytics. In most industries analytics have been around for many decades, but in major league sports like baseball, basketball and football, they are relatively recent, a couple of decades at the most. And the problem with analytics in the major sports is that because they are so new to the game, those sports all have tremendously overreacted to the stats. In most industries, the stats have been tested out for decades for their efficacy and have been blended back in with the traditional ways of determining how to go about business. Because the three major sports analytics are in their infancy, they have erroneously eschewed a lot of traditional knowledge in favor of the data. Here's the problem with analytics - it is only a mathematical model and, if you don't assume that the model is flawed and needs adjustments, then you are going to go down a rabbit hole you don't want to be going down. We can see that major league baseball, the first of the three major sports to pick up analytics, only a mere two decades or so ago, that it has had to back off from it's analytics driven assumptions. Take base running, for example. Analytics does a very poor job of modelling how base running and speed and stolen bases affect the outcomes of games. So it was pretty much ignored and small ball became ignored. The thing is, small ball always worked and speed is a huge part of the game - it causes pitchers and fielders to unnaturally rush what they are doing and to change what they are doing - but analytics models are unable to quantify these factors. Anyway, baseball made rule changes this year to give teams much more incentive to steal bases and play more small ball - analytics is still in it's infancy in baseball. Same thing with the shift. Way back in the day, teams shifted defensively a lot more, but that was countered by using players who had good bat control who could hit to the opposite field and bunt. When the power game became the vogue, lefty pull hitters became the rage. All you have to do is replace those types of hitters with good bat control hitters. But baseball doesn't want to do that, so it has changed the rules to disallow shifts instead. These are the types of adjustments that are routinely made in industry in response to analytics. And, altho' there has never been formal analytics in tennis, when you think of all of the tennis strategies mentioned on this podcast, they are really analytics based, in essence, and have been around for many decades.
Given that both Sinner and Alcaraz clearly separated themselves from the rest, I was curios about measuring their comparative popularity. I don't know how to set up a poll (probably UA-cam does not have this function in the comments section). Gill attracts quite a large audience and it will be interesting to measure what percentage will root for Alcaraz against Sinner and vice versa. The only idea I have is that whoever reads this and preferes Alcaraz - like this post. And whoever will root for Sinner - like my next post. And then after several days I will compare the results. Again - this post is a placeholder for those who root for Alcaraz when he plays Sinner. Vote.
When alcaraz being so successful (3 grandslams and many other titles) gives him a target on his back symbollically speaking, gence, when draper beat him it is a one-off. You can count alcaraz wiññ wsnt to avenge his loss next time - it is in his dna
On the analytics question, I think the emphasis on serve and +1 forehand has been a product of Craig O'Shannesey and others hammering the analytics on that. I also think the slow death of baseline grinding as a viable strategy is analytics driven, given more favorable win percentages at net. Finally, I think we're seeing and will see more inside out approaches for righties from the ad court to their opponents' backhands, a play that was frowned upon in old school tennis.
Cerundalo always under rated. Guys like Deminuer are like crazy over rated at 4500. Vegas loves Guys they can predict like Zverev winning but you can stay with in +6.5 and make $$. I think they asked him specifically leasing it to 3 sets maybe because he could have won the French Open Maybe it's because they see having Duabetes as a huge disadvantage down the 4th and 5th sets. Noone ever really talks about that he can't take a load of sugar and anytime he takes insulin he's removing blood sugar so I would like you to please tell us as much as you know about how hard it is what he's doing as a guy who goes so deep into slams. Can Dimitriov or Mussetti win a Slam with one hand against guys with such insane back hands. Tsitsipas i lost hope.
Korda!!! he needs to improove when has he win anything big. For his size his serve weak hes good anticipatir decent returner and he can crank up his back hand i saw him hit a 2 handed winner not down the line but like 2 feet from Greikspore as a winner He has nk fire. He needs to take kagea out if the Medvedev Zverev playbook and hit the serve bigger and cranm it. Fritz has the serve its in top categories but he too falls short quite a bit for his nice serve and his great winners he wins the matches he shoukd win. But Noone predicts him to be a favorite.
Not sure I can agree Alcaraz would have a better serve if he didn't grow up on clay, I think it's down to to talent ultimately, it's just one part of his game that he does not have super talent in.
I get why Novak wants to play the Olympics, but I don't really think the Olympics have the status they used to before such focus on Pro sports have become.
OG is not a big title in tennis. OG is huge for swimmers and amateur boxers, but will never be a big deal in tennis or soccer. Claydull will even tell you that.
I would say Chokerrerer fans and Chokerpras fans also think the OG is not that important either, partly because they too never won the singles gold, and partly because it is just not that important.
On analytics, I think in tennis wich is an individual action and reaction game, I think the analytics actually comes to the individual development angle, For example, your serve percentage example, I think the evolution comes from the player who normally has the 70% outide preferance to adjust his game to be more balanced to be more unpredictable, knoing you often hit a specific type of first serve foul to adjust, knowing where you lose most points etc... Knowing the weakest points of your game. I think there is value in knowing opponent tendacies, and in one of matches could give a slight edge, but tennis as a whole you want to be the proactive player where you are dictating not constantlyh trying to be reactive and thinking about what your opponent is doing.
I agree on the olympics, it matter FAR more for players who either dont have as deep a history with tennis as it can do so much for tennis development in a country if they win and get teh publicity of it, or if you are a. 5-30 ranked player who probably wont be winning multiple majors or a career grandslam thus making your career and marketing oportunities boom. If alcaraz or sinner wins the olympics, cool, but both are chasing career grandslams (especially alcaraz who can do it this year) so why push it this year when it doesnt fit the calander, loses you money, and you can double back later in your career. I think this is also a point since the tour is in a transition phase where we have a lot more young players going around, so will always matter for players like nadal or murray more who want one last dance before calling it a day or novak who is chasing more feats for his legacy.
I think that players have the right to choose whether to play the Olympics or not, but they need to understand that they may not get another opportunity. Injuries, a fall in the rankings, etc., may prevent them from playing in the next Olympics.
Jack draper to me is still raw clay, all the tools but just needs to get it al together and more time to mature as a player, will be interesting to see if he can put it all together if he stays fit. On the forehand as well being a 'weakness' this as well is a time issue, if he plays more that will inevitably get better and better due to him being naturally right handed but playing left handed, all well and good in rpactice but it takes high level opponents to crank that development.
Gill, Sinner's serve didn't really improve until last year after the US Open. Alcaraz is only 21 years old and his serve WILL also get better as Sinner's serve did last year, and Sinner is already 2 years older than Alcaraz. End of story.
@@ah925 Astonishing that Alcaraz already won 3 GS, 5 Masters titles at only 21 years old with that manlet tier of height in tennis. Sinner's biggest title at Alcaraz' current age was a 500 ATP title (Washington 2021).
whoah, Gill, face-planted on "analogy". You're a rationalist, you should love analogies. They allow you to compare unlike things indirectly -- by comparing parallel relationships (e.g., A is to B as C is to B -- Sinner's strong work ethic and Carlos's inspirational talent as they relate to the winning record of each. Even more indirect - A is to B as C is to D. You can test an analogy by weighing the relative strengths and relative weaknesses of the comparisons.
Gil's right, Alcaraz is better than 95% + of all players on any given day. where the reliance on on court coaching becomes a liability is when (1) JCF can't be there or (2) JCF doesn't have advice that is helpful when playing that player that falls in the 5%. by not having the ability to problem solve (maybe not ability, but it's certainly a weakness) this does become a dependency rather than a collaboration between Alcaraz/JCF big picture. it happens all of the time; a player is exceptional and then one or two catch up to that player and these small things matter a lot
Counterpoint: last year when coming back from injury he played just 1 lead-up match on grass and got destroyed by Sonego, before getting his revenge during Wimbledon and making it all the way to the 4th round where he lost in 4 sets to the eventual champion. And so far his grass lead-up is going better this year
@@BillyBob-xi9ih yea I get that he’s not all washed up but really he hasn’t QF much more than a 250 since his preinjury day. It’s that he so often mentioned in the same breath as several who are regularly in the top 10-20.
In fairness, at RG you have to look at the amount of tennis Sinner played this year compared to Alcaraz, plus his lack of preparation availability because of his hip injury I think it was a null and void as to the future.
Gill, I think you may need to go back to the drawing board for your explanation of one-hander defense. First, even many two-handers use a one-handed backhand (slice, typically) when they are really pressed. Look at Rafa, for example. Second, the mechanics of the two-handed backhand would seem quite different from those of the forehand, particularly because the range of motion for a forehand is so much greater. Indeed, it is the reduced range of motion for the two-hander that makes it more stable.
I was surprised you didn't name Murray for players who needed to play more aggressively. Probably too late for that now, but I do hope he recovers from his most recent back injury.
Good point to bring up legacy and what you'll tell your grandkids, or at least Patton would think so: ua-cam.com/video/PS5yfhPGaWE/v-deo.htmlsi=UoTLnoJ7inntm53g&t=303
Zhang looking good and has a great chance to win at least three and maybe all the way to five matches at Wimbledon. Eubanks with a very tough loss today. Perhaps an indication to him that it’s 2024 and not 2023 which was a fairy tale for the homie from the Rambling Wreck.
Hoping Draper can do well at Wimbledon, otherwise with the Euros football dominating the news, aside from the downer of Murray's looming retirement, the tournament will struggle for attention and atmosphere in the UK this year.
Regarding the olympics, I want to say 2 things... - Paris should have either made a grass court specificly for this event or use any outdoor stadium they can and put hardcourts. I get that RG is their biggest tennis asset but they should have beed aware of the timing. - Even if the olympics were played on mud courts every single player should be hyped to play it. It is a once in 4 years event that unites all top athletes of the world and if you dont want to be a part of it there is something very wrong with you. Also a match won for yourself on a m1000 or even GS and a match won for your country on the most prestigious event in sports cant be compared.
That's very disrespectful What have you achieved in your life to say about the Greatest tennis player like that Tennis is indebted to these guys Sitting on Couch and saying garbage living on your parents money and be worthless is easy 🤷🏻♂️
Regarding Sinner vs Alcaraz in RG let’s not forget Sinner stayed 3 weeks in bed due to his hip injury and couldn’t train at all. His participation wasn’t even sure. Not saying he would have won but he wasn’t at his best shape obviously
And Carlos missed 2 tournaments due to his wrist (tool) injury. Both are very good tennis players and either of them can beat the other. No excuse is needed
Yeah very overrated. Simply a 3 time gs and 5 time masters winner, youngest ever word number 1 and youngest ever player to win a major on all surfaces. Overrated indeed
Nonsense. A coach doesn't yell out mid point. There's no way a coach can predict where a 3-30 ball rally will go. A player uses their tennis nous. Carlos does that all the time.
At the last game of the Wimbledon final vs Djokovic, Alcaraz did the oppposite of what JCF would have told him to do, and that was all Alcaraz merit, haters gonna keep crying
Federer and Alcaraz drop shots not in the same league. Federer mostly used it on the backhand. Alcaraz does it on both sides and also disguises it very well.
If Alcaraz can indeed defend his title at Wimbledon, it would be incredibly historic. If he does not, people in social media and the press will declare him as a failure. Again.
Honestly I think the French Open title was huge for shutting down that rhetoric. No matter what happens the rest of the year or what his ranking ends up being, he added to his Slam total, and that’s what’s important.
I don’t think Alcaraz defends his title this year: main reason being the channel Slam (RG and Wimby back to back) is extremely hard to accomplish and happened very rarely in the Open era. He might do it at some point but probably not on his first attempt
@@harrdeeharr Very true. If you look at Sinner's accomplishments at Carlos current age, the biggest tournament Sinner won back then at the same age as Carlos is right now was a 500 ATP title (Washington 2021). Carlos at the same age: won 3 GS, 5 Masters titles, and people in social media and tennis experts still criticize him. It's unfathomable. I just don't get it. 😔
@@BillyBob-xi9ihI wished he could win; but statistically speaking; it is hard. It is a lot to ask for a young player at his age to act like Roger Federer
@@tjg6176 Roger didn't even win his first GS title yet at Carlos current age (21).😭 Roger was a month shy of turning 22 when he won his first GS at Wimbledon 2003. Carlos already won 3 Grand Slams at 21, and people are still criticizing him.😭
Wow! I Wasn't really expecting to watch my comment be addressed in this mailbag haha. I think your analysis of Draper is spot on. I feel that the pressure he'll face at Wimbledon will certainly be a deciding factor in his performance this year. Certainly, his stamina in 5 sets will be another interesting factor. However, I truly do believe he can be really dominant this year and in the future on grass, and I'm looking forward to his growth as a competitor. I didn't really know much about him but watched his recent come up and was quite surprised!
You'll definitely be seeing more of me in the mailbag, thanks for getting a response out. Love the channel Gill!
anyone else's perfect scenario is Sinner wins wimbledon?
Only if you're Italian.
No not only if you are Italian, he has plenty of non Italian fans
@Balugo24 tell me your bias without telling me your bias
@Bakugo Perfect for whom? My answer is no.
I understand there are fans for all players but the disrespect that Alcaraz gets about his problem solving on court is biased. Coaches are overrated imho. Players still have to perform and execute. Cowches are there to motivate, train and teach technicalities etc. ofcourse strategy is discussed but dont make it sound like players are dummies or robots. Alcaraz has a very high tennis IQ
Totally agree
Honestly the criticism Alcaraz gets is utterly ridiculous! Yes JCF coaches him during a match. But the guy still has to execute! Like give him some credit. He’s 3-0 in grand slam finals.
Carlos is a great player for sure. I am not on court only from watching TV, but recently, a match, commentator said that Carlos’ coach signaled Carlos to adjust his position to return a 2nd serve. Such situation happens often. My impression is that Carlos’ coach does coach more not only game plan, but into a lot of ‘details’. Since coaching is legit, so nothing wrong, but I guess the perception is that Carlos gets more coaching than for instance Sinner or Novak.
It's as if no one sees coaching other than for Carlos. I've watched Steph's dad, Sinner's coach telling him to "do something different", Rune's mom, I could go on... It's just the haters who keep this nonsense going.
@@yangao2598 The perception is wrong because haters post this nonsense all of the time.
The explanation regarding JCF coaching Alcaraz is spot on👏
I was just going to comment about Queens 2023 and then you brought it up! He came back from a set down in the first round and then ended up winning the tournament without Ferrero, so idk how anyone can say he’s not a problem solver.
Even if we bring up AO 2024 against Zverev, where Alcaraz was lost for the first half of the match, he still came back from 2-5 in the 3rd set and won it in a tiebreak. And that was when Zverev was still serving at around 75%. That’s a huge argument toward Alcaraz figuring things out
Alcaraz can't beat Sinner or Zverev without Ferrero. That's all that matters.
Who just won RG? I didn't see JCF playing each set? Haters take a rest.
@@JH-bb8in moronic take
Hi Gill, for the Olympics question I think you should have also mentioned about Russian and Belarusian players having to play under a neutral flag, with no anthem if they win the gold medal, and having to jump through a lot of hurdles to "prove" their neutrality etc.. So for these athletes the decision-making calculus is tilted even more in favour of not playing. It is no surprise that so many of the athletes that have decided not to play are Russian or Belarusian.
I'm at least glad they're able to participate at all
Alcaraz is 21 years old and as you’ve mentioned won major tournaments without his coach present. He’s won majors on the different surfaces and that requires being able to think and problem solve on your own. Whether the coach is there or not makes very little difference. I think some people will try any and everything just criticize him.
Everyone talking about the coaching situation but if I’m a player and I’m paying a coach thousands of dollars a year out of my pocket I would want to utilize that resource as much as possible. It’s one thing to have the info but the player still needs to execute at a high level to win. All other sports have coaches that advise players during the game. Tennis has changed and it’s a resource that players can now access
JCF is being paid millions. I would want my money's worth for sure.
The Olympic Games tennis tournament is a joke. No ranking points to be gained, 2 out of 3 matches played, and relatively weak competition.
The soccer people (FIFA) have it right: participation is restricted to players under 23 years of age. Thus, the Olympic Games football tournament does not interfere with the World Cup.
What also bothers me is the American laziness of calling the Olympic Games, Olympics. If one wants to use a single word might as well use the correct one.: Olympiad.
Thank you for addressing the excellent question from marjery3 on the difficulty players have balancing Olympic ambitions with important tournaments. And if they do win, as is the case with Zverev, his Olympic gold is often diminished due to his not having won a GS. One can only continue to marvel at the almost impossible achievement of Steffi Graf in 1988, when she won the only Golden Slam in this history of the sport. It may never be repeated.
Stefi was absolutely incredible. To me the GOAT
@@Jalleur14325Her legacy is tainted by the stabbing of Seles in Germany. Serena is the female GOAT imo.
Very interesting to see how Jack develops. Perhaps it will be like Sinner, just taking gradual steps.
As for Carlos and JCF. Ive noticed that Carlos doesn't always do what JCF says anyway. Also - mid point ferrero has no impact and there are rallies that can really extend. I dont buy it at all. What I do think might have happened is more like a security blanket effect -- JCF has been there for his biggest wins and is like a second father. I also think he feels like he wants to impress him and there's an extra sense of performance.
What are coaches for? If you are not working with someone whose advice, energy and supportiveness is missing, they are not doing their job.
One might also just say that skipping the Olympics might be a compassionate choice as you give an opportunity to someone else whom it is more important to to experience the Olympics. If I were a professional tennis player (who would be eligible to play the Olympics), that might be the argument that would push me over the edge not to play along with all the other arguments that were mentioned. Give someone else the opportunity to experience it whom it would mean the world to. If you are top 50, you'd probably get more chances to play the Olympics anyway (bit depending what country you're from)
It would also be a good defensive argument for all of those who were to judge you for skipping the Olympics
Draper did all that to lose today. His game is overrated. He’s similar to Shelton who also won’t sniff a slam unless there’s a world catastrophe
The analytics in tennis has always been there.
Maybe not formally, but in tennis you have always played to your strengths, the opponent's weaknesses, the type of court and the conditions.
The other major sports in the US have been late to the party regarding analytics. In most industries analytics have been around for many decades, but in major league sports like baseball, basketball and football, they are relatively recent, a couple of decades at the most.
And the problem with analytics in the major sports is that because they are so new to the game, those sports all have tremendously overreacted to the stats. In most industries, the stats have been tested out for decades for their efficacy and have been blended back in with the traditional ways of determining how to go about business. Because the three major sports analytics are in their infancy, they have erroneously eschewed a lot of traditional knowledge in favor of the data. Here's the problem with analytics - it is only a mathematical model and, if you don't assume that the model is flawed and needs adjustments, then you are going to go down a rabbit hole you don't want to be going down.
We can see that major league baseball, the first of the three major sports to pick up analytics, only a mere two decades or so ago, that it has had to back off from it's analytics driven assumptions. Take base running, for example. Analytics does a very poor job of modelling how base running and speed and stolen bases affect the outcomes of games. So it was pretty much ignored and small ball became ignored. The thing is, small ball always worked and speed is a huge part of the game - it causes pitchers and fielders to unnaturally rush what they are doing and to change what they are doing - but analytics models are unable to quantify these factors. Anyway, baseball made rule changes this year to give teams much more incentive to steal bases and play more small ball - analytics is still in it's infancy in baseball.
Same thing with the shift. Way back in the day, teams shifted defensively a lot more, but that was countered by using players who had good bat control who could hit to the opposite field and bunt. When the power game became the vogue, lefty pull hitters became the rage. All you have to do is replace those types of hitters with good bat control hitters. But baseball doesn't want to do that, so it has changed the rules to disallow shifts instead. These are the types of adjustments that are routinely made in industry in response to analytics.
And, altho' there has never been formal analytics in tennis, when you think of all of the tennis strategies mentioned on this podcast, they are really analytics based, in essence, and have been around for many decades.
Federer would beat carlos lot more than the other way around no contest
At the same age as Carlos is right now, Federer didn't even win his first Grand Slam yet. No contest.
Given that both Sinner and Alcaraz clearly separated themselves from the rest, I was curios about measuring their comparative popularity. I don't know how to set up a poll (probably UA-cam does not have this function in the comments section). Gill attracts quite a large audience and it will be interesting to measure what percentage will root for Alcaraz against Sinner and vice versa. The only idea I have is that whoever reads this and preferes Alcaraz - like this post. And whoever will root for Sinner - like my next post. And then after several days I will compare the results. Again - this post is a placeholder for those who root for Alcaraz when he plays Sinner. Vote.
I don't think Draper can go 5 sets at Wimbledon repeatedly. We will have to see.
Totally agree. Draper has to enhance his physicality in bid to beat Top players in Grand Slam.
When alcaraz being so successful (3 grandslams and many other titles) gives him a target on his back symbollically speaking, gence, when draper beat him it is a one-off. You can count alcaraz wiññ wsnt to avenge his loss next time - it is in his dna
Novak is very analytic driven as a player. I think he was probably the first to get into it deeply.
Novak and Sinner
I think Cahill said that Agassi was also quite data driven.
Many players have been analytic driven long before Novak.
Draper is a sprinter not a marathon man - he still needs to prove his stamina. Will his serve hold up for 5 sets multiple times?
Also think the mental side still needs work.
On the analytics question, I think the emphasis on serve and +1 forehand has been a product of Craig O'Shannesey and others hammering the analytics on that. I also think the slow death of baseline grinding as a viable strategy is analytics driven, given more favorable win percentages at net. Finally, I think we're seeing and will see more inside out approaches for righties from the ad court to their opponents' backhands, a play that was frowned upon in old school tennis.
Cerundalo always under rated. Guys like Deminuer are like crazy over rated at 4500. Vegas loves Guys they can predict like Zverev winning but you can stay with in +6.5 and make $$. I think they asked him specifically leasing it to 3 sets maybe because he could have won the French Open Maybe it's because they see having Duabetes as a huge disadvantage down the 4th and 5th sets. Noone ever really talks about that he can't take a load of sugar and anytime he takes insulin he's removing blood sugar so I would like you to please tell us as much as you know about how hard it is what he's doing as a guy who goes so deep into slams. Can Dimitriov or Mussetti win a Slam with one hand against guys with such insane back hands. Tsitsipas i lost hope.
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Korda!!! he needs to improove when has he win anything big. For his size his serve weak hes good anticipatir decent returner and he can crank up his back hand i saw him hit a 2 handed winner not down the line but like 2 feet from Greikspore as a winner He has nk fire. He needs to take kagea out if the Medvedev Zverev playbook and hit the serve bigger and cranm it. Fritz has the serve its in top categories but he too falls short quite a bit for his nice serve and his great winners he wins the matches he shoukd win. But Noone predicts him to be a favorite.
Not sure I can agree Alcaraz would have a better serve if he didn't grow up on clay, I think it's down to to talent ultimately, it's just one part of his game that he does not have super talent in.
Spanish players because they grow up on the clay are not traditionally great servers. Rafa is not a serve bot. Do some research about Spanish players.
Zverev can really win back to back Golds given how well he did at the United cup and the Frebch Open. I love the Olympics
I get why Novak wants to play the Olympics, but I don't really think the Olympics have the status they used to before such focus on Pro sports have become.
Chokervic is only a bronze medalist, that's why his fans diminish Olympics.
If Olympics is that important, wonder why no ranking points are given to players. That is one key reason on its ‘low’ importance.
OG is not a big title in tennis. OG is huge for swimmers and amateur boxers, but will never be a big deal in tennis or soccer. Claydull will even tell you that.
I would say Chokerrerer fans and Chokerpras fans also think the OG is not that important either, partly because they too never won the singles gold, and partly because it is just not that important.
@@JH-bb8in Same thing for Baldal fans at ATP finals, Paris and Miami. Roidal has the records of most attempts without winning one.
On analytics, I think in tennis wich is an individual action and reaction game, I think the analytics actually comes to the individual development angle, For example, your serve percentage example, I think the evolution comes from the player who normally has the 70% outide preferance to adjust his game to be more balanced to be more unpredictable, knoing you often hit a specific type of first serve foul to adjust, knowing where you lose most points etc... Knowing the weakest points of your game. I think there is value in knowing opponent tendacies, and in one of matches could give a slight edge, but tennis as a whole you want to be the proactive player where you are dictating not constantlyh trying to be reactive and thinking about what your opponent is doing.
I’m just here to say that your answer to the Olympic Games question was just masterful and so spot on
I agree on the olympics, it matter FAR more for players who either dont have as deep a history with tennis as it can do so much for tennis development in a country if they win and get teh publicity of it, or if you are a. 5-30 ranked player who probably wont be winning multiple majors or a career grandslam thus making your career and marketing oportunities boom. If alcaraz or sinner wins the olympics, cool, but both are chasing career grandslams (especially alcaraz who can do it this year) so why push it this year when it doesnt fit the calander, loses you money, and you can double back later in your career. I think this is also a point since the tour is in a transition phase where we have a lot more young players going around, so will always matter for players like nadal or murray more who want one last dance before calling it a day or novak who is chasing more feats for his legacy.
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I think that players have the right to choose whether to play the Olympics or not, but they need to understand that they may not get another opportunity. Injuries, a fall in the rankings, etc., may prevent them from playing in the next Olympics.
Jack draper to me is still raw clay, all the tools but just needs to get it al together and more time to mature as a player, will be interesting to see if he can put it all together if he stays fit. On the forehand as well being a 'weakness' this as well is a time issue, if he plays more that will inevitably get better and better due to him being naturally right handed but playing left handed, all well and good in rpactice but it takes high level opponents to crank that development.
Gill, Sinner's serve didn't really improve until last year after the US Open. Alcaraz is only 21 years old and his serve WILL also get better as Sinner's serve did last year, and Sinner is already 2 years older than Alcaraz. End of story.
Alcaraz is 5’11 lol. That’s borderline manlet tier in tennis. Carlos’ serve ceiling is nowhere near as high as Jannik’s.
@@ah925 Astonishing that Alcaraz already won 3 GS, 5 Masters titles at only 21 years old with that manlet tier of height in tennis. Sinner's biggest title at Alcaraz' current age was a 500 ATP title (Washington 2021).
A player that definitely ought to be more aggressive is Andy Murray.
whoah, Gill, face-planted on "analogy". You're a rationalist, you should love analogies. They allow you to compare unlike things indirectly -- by comparing parallel relationships (e.g., A is to B as C is to B -- Sinner's strong work ethic and Carlos's inspirational talent as they relate to the winning record of each. Even more indirect - A is to B as C is to D. You can test an analogy by weighing the relative strengths and relative weaknesses of the comparisons.
Gil's right, Alcaraz is better than 95% + of all players on any given day. where the reliance on on court coaching becomes a liability is when (1) JCF can't be there or (2) JCF doesn't have advice that is helpful when playing that player that falls in the 5%. by not having the ability to problem solve (maybe not ability, but it's certainly a weakness) this does become a dependency rather than a collaboration between Alcaraz/JCF big picture. it happens all of the time; a player is exceptional and then one or two catch up to that player and these small things matter a lot
Really Berretini? I feel like we’re all living in the past with this pick.
Counterpoint: last year when coming back from injury he played just 1 lead-up match on grass and got destroyed by Sonego, before getting his revenge during Wimbledon and making it all the way to the 4th round where he lost in 4 sets to the eventual champion. And so far his grass lead-up is going better this year
@@BillyBob-xi9ih yea I get that he’s not all washed up but really he hasn’t QF much more than a 250 since his preinjury day. It’s that he so often mentioned in the same breath as several who are regularly in the top 10-20.
In fairness, at RG you have to look at the amount of tennis Sinner played this year compared to Alcaraz, plus his lack of preparation availability because of his hip injury I think it was a null and void as to the future.
What?
excuses
@janetterceira4201 stop crying
Gill, I think you may need to go back to the drawing board for your explanation of one-hander defense. First, even many two-handers use a one-handed backhand (slice, typically) when they are really pressed. Look at Rafa, for example. Second, the mechanics of the two-handed backhand would seem quite different from those of the forehand, particularly because the range of motion for a forehand is so much greater. Indeed, it is the reduced range of motion for the two-hander that makes it more stable.
I was surprised you didn't name Murray for players who needed to play more aggressively. Probably too late for that now, but I do hope he recovers from his most recent back injury.
But can Draper go the distance physically at this point in his development in 5-setters and going deep into the tournament at Wimbledon?
Good point to bring up legacy and what you'll tell your grandkids, or at least Patton would think so: ua-cam.com/video/PS5yfhPGaWE/v-deo.htmlsi=UoTLnoJ7inntm53g&t=303
Tommy Paul didn't play aggressively enough vs a hobbled Korda today but still did clutch the tiebreak
Ferrero is Alcaraz's lioness blanket. I have always thought that.
And this is a placeholder for those who root for Sinner when he plays Alcaraz. Vote
lot of players cant play on clay but the Olympic experience is first look at federer
Roger had a good serve and a good game and he was beatable,so Alcaraz would be too.
not everyone is USA USA you better believe that taylor s analysis spot on
I don't see Zverev or Medwedew doing much at Wimbledon, despite their big serves. Okay maybe Tier 2 but certainly not winning it.
Agreed, both two of them would not be able to win Wimbledon.
Zhang looking good and has a great chance to win at least three and maybe all the way to five matches at Wimbledon. Eubanks with a very tough loss today. Perhaps an indication to him that it’s 2024 and not 2023 which was a fairy tale for the homie from the Rambling Wreck.
Homie?!?
Actually Korda also belongs in the Tier 3 list at least!
Alcaraz is not #1 in the world.
But he was and that’s the point
and he has 3 grand slams to Sinner´s 1 go figure
@@JayneBangert Sinner will end up with more slams in 10 years.
@@JH-bb8inthat remains to be seen. What is clear is Carlos is the most talented 21 year old we have ever seen
@@Adaobieistyping Lol, you must be a child. Nadal was the most accomplished 21 year old.
Roanic reminds of krychek lol
Hoping Draper can do well at Wimbledon, otherwise with the Euros football dominating the news, aside from the downer of Murray's looming retirement, the tournament will struggle for attention and atmosphere in the UK this year.
euros was gonna dominate anyways and england will be out soon enough
@@Adaobieistyping 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Regarding the olympics, I want to say 2 things...
- Paris should have either made a grass court specificly for this event or use any outdoor stadium they can and put hardcourts. I get that RG is their biggest tennis asset but they should have beed aware of the timing.
- Even if the olympics were played on mud courts every single player should be hyped to play it. It is a once in 4 years event that unites all top athletes of the world and if you dont want to be a part of it there is something very wrong with you. Also a match won for yourself on a m1000 or even GS and a match won for your country on the most prestigious event in sports cant be compared.
Djokovic is washed. This knee injury has sealed his window.
Cheatvak is nothing without his Steroiderade provided to him by his coaches he fired 😂😂😂
That's very disrespectful
What have you achieved in your life to say about the Greatest tennis player like that Tennis is indebted to these guys
Sitting on Couch and saying garbage living on your parents money and be worthless is easy 🤷🏻♂️
@@TopEveryThing-yi3pywell-stated. Hit the nail on the head 👏
@@TopEveryThing-yi3py Saying Djoker's washed is saying the truth. You are just delusional.
@@TopEveryThing-yi3py GOAT is Federer
Regarding Sinner vs Alcaraz in RG let’s not forget Sinner stayed 3 weeks in bed due to his hip injury and couldn’t train at all. His participation wasn’t even sure. Not saying he would have won but he wasn’t at his best shape obviously
And Carlos missed 2 tournaments due to his wrist (tool) injury. Both are very good tennis players and either of them can beat the other. No excuse is needed
@tounoni 3 *
@christ203 stop with excuses Carlos beat Sinner fair and square
Carlitos is overrated. He can't do anything without Ferrero. This gen's coaching makes it a joke
Besides winning Queens 2023 and a few other tournaments yeah
Yeah very overrated. Simply a 3 time gs and 5 time masters winner, youngest ever word number 1 and youngest ever player to win a major on all surfaces. Overrated indeed
@@kianmath71 can't do it without being coached every play :(
@JH-bb8in can you do it WHILE being coached?
Nonsense. A coach doesn't yell out mid point. There's no way a coach can predict where a 3-30 ball rally will go. A player uses their tennis nous. Carlos does that all the time.
Does anybody knows something about Djokovic playing Wimbledon?
@P he’s probably playing Wimbledon unless he decides not too