here in the UK you can legally ride a hired scooter, but you cant ride one you buy yourself. it's almost as if lobbyist's have paid people in the government to make it that way...
We used to have a e-scooter used in our warehouse, shared between the logistics and production manager, so they could get from one end to the other end. Unfortunately it broke and no one has replaced it. It was really useful when I still worked in IT and took it from the front of office to assist dispatch at the rear.
@@EEVblog2 In Germany, it's weird. You can drive such a thing - but only on normal streets and not on the pavement. This makes those things - thanks to their limited power and their tiny wheels - a (for the driver) dangerous obstacle in the traffic. And on the pavement, they are just to powerful, so it's illegal to drive there. Those vehicles are more or less useless here.
I love EEVblogs presentations - always both informative and interesting - plus the superseriously high levels of enthusiasm in his voice - imagine he's the captain on the flight deck explaining about that exploding engine.......
think its strange that retailers can sell electric scooters in NSW that are only legal to ride on Private Property. "In New South Wales it is illegal to ride an electric scooter on any road or any road related area"....
Here in my region in Spain you can use them, but you can't bring them into public transport. There were apparently multiple fires, including in the Barcelona metro, so the transport people issued a recommendation to prohibit carrying electric bikes, scooters, monocycles, etc. inside buses and trains.
The reason for the bans is basically two things. First, the poor ridership - their ease of use and popularity made them a scourge on the sidewalks with many riders crashing into pedestrians and causing lots of injuries. Second, many e-scooter rental companies have been ignoring complaints about their scooters being left everywhere creating a hazard on the sidewalk for other users (especially those in wheelchairs and such because they're often carelessly littered about). It's gotten to the point there are private companies who will clean up the mess and charge the e-scooter companies for return of their littered equipment. E-bikes are a different matter as most bikes either use their own lanes or traffic lanes, so they shouldn't be running into pedestrians and causing injuries. Quite likely what will happen is regulations on how fast they can go - perhaps 20kph is too fast for sidewalks and it may get reduced.
In the UK, they can be ridden on streets as a lot of councils rent them out. But cannot be taken on public transport since 31/01/2023. Local = fine, commuting = no.
e-scooters kinda have a problem of being less safer than a bicycle (you just get yeeted over the bars if you had to break hard or hit a small obstacle), while also being able to be significantly faster at no effort from the driver. I've seem people zooming on those at like 40km/h on shared bike/pedestrian path, none of that looked safe. Outright ban is probably too much but even if you limit them to say 15km/h people will just go around Also do a burnout!
I think those are limited to 15km/h here in germany. Seems to work reasonably well. But nowadays you're not allowed to ride those drunk so.. good old bicycle it is I guess.
@@allesklarklaus147 here in Poland its 20km/h which is *fine* but I was going 30km/h on bike path downhill and I got overtaken by one which is like wtf...
Mate you are ****ing crazy if you ride this without a helmet out on the road. I gained a lot of appreciation for helmets after I started riding motorcycles. It really does not take much for a permanent lights-out (like literally a few km/h).
@@EEVblog2 The former lime scooters in our town had turn signals, but no audible feedback, so unfortunately many people didn't even notice that they were left on, which is... not good. The newer ones no longer have turn signals. For this reason, I don't find it the most useful in the world either... so it's either sound+light or neither. Idk. :)
@@EEVblog2I sure wish mine had turn signals. Can't communicate by lifting a hand like on a bike, as you'll way too easily lose balance without both hands on the handlebars.
Thought about one of these, but decoded to go with a foldable E-bike instead, fits nicely in my Model Y. Easy speed hack, in the controller configuration set the tire diameter to less than the real diameter. Thinks it needs more tire revolutions to go the set speed.
Can you drive your car inside buildings, take it with you, and be greener for the environment? I didn't think so. Stop comparing your car to a different class of transport, you're an ICE car, this is an electric scooter, use your brain!
I have my own e scooter, the Segway Ninebot as a personal one I bought. Here in the United States, it's up to the states to decide the rules. Here in Arkansas, these are legal with 32kmh speed limit, and just stick to using the bicycle lanes or the extreme right side of the road. I was able to ride it anywhere, even inside of buildings! No ban was mandated here yet, except nobody gives a damn, they'll overtake you recklessly sometimes.
Yeah, the fact that they're illegal to ride in public makes them pretty useless. I read one article where they interviewed someone who got a fine, it was over $5,000, which was more than twice the cost of the scooter!
@@EEVblog2 Nope. If you're on the bitumen when/if they want to grab you they'll peg you for the equivalent of riding an unregistered motorcycle. That means everything ADR compliant and the helmet needs to be AS rated motorcycle helmet too. But as I said in another post they typically turn a blind eye if you're not being a wanker on it.
But is it available as a right-hand drive?? 😉 Edit: Bummer about the scooter ban, but not surprising. People were real asses with the rentals here in the 'States when they came out, though we still haven't banned them anywhere I know of.
Progress on legalising e-scooters and other PMDs across Australia is being made. The state transport ministers signed off on an amendment to the Australian Road Rules (ARR) in mid-2021. Generally the states legislate their own road rules to align with the ARR. NSW had a transport minister at the time who wasn't particularly keen on progressing things in that state, maybe things have changed of late. In the mean time, Dave can come down to Victoria if he wants to test his new toy in public (at least during our extended and expanded trial).
Most Sydney cops turn a blind eye if you're behaving yourself. Wear proper gear and keep off the bitumen and on the footpaths, don't do stupid stuff and you'll be ok. I'm in the St George area and never had issues. I had a segway g30 max for a year which range and power wise is compatible to that one and would definitely be a competitor. For prior owners of the G30 max this would be a nice upgrade with the suspension
@@Bob_Burton yeh I don't disagree but the fact anyone can rent one is stupid. The same person ain't going to be any safer because they've rented it. If your gunna ban em it should be a blanket van across the board. Also they like electric bikes are restricted to 15mph. Electric bikes are legal again makes no sense they are essentially the same thing. Could do just as much harm or damage on a bike as a scooter.
In Poland we can drive on bike lanes normally, but on sidewalks we have to limit our scooters to the unspecified speed of pedestrians, which is stupid. I just use my scooter at 30km/h but I'm always careful to slow down even just close to people, for safety. My scooter goes 30km/h because i got it from the netherlands :D
Hey Dave! Why not consider an adult manual kick scooter with large wheels? Not as flashy but they are small and light, you don’t have to charge and good for your health! Stick an inflatable wheel at the front and you can bomb hills really fast too 😀 I ride mine almost everywhere and am also learning to longboard 👍
I've got an electric unicycle (EUC) that I loved commuting on, but I've packed it away after hearing that other local riders were getting clapped with huge tickets. Really insulting given that the same gov't charges us a carbon tax
Same in the UK. Self owned are Illegal (unless you register them and insure). Public schemes have been very successful though (and those are far better up hill than that thing).
I'm surprised there isn't some e-tax on them! My granddaughter loves hers as do the other kids around here, it gets them outside instead of being stuck indoors!
Trust me, you don't really want one of these to go more than 25kph. Even at 25kph, you are one road defect away from breaking your neck. I took a good spill at 10mph and I was lucky...but it still took more than a month to recover from. Keep both hands on the wheel at ALL times. You won't have enough control authority when you need it otherwise.
Wanted to write the same - 25-30 is maximum you can safely do on it. Smaller wheels make it more demanding to the road quality, and there aren't really emergency brakes
done 600km on my electric scooter on quite bumpy roads and I agree with you! tho it's not as scary as you said, haven't had an accident for the entire 600km. Tho always keep both hands on the wheel, had too many close calls signaling with my hand
That "bag hanger" looks more like something to bungee a shoephone for GPS navigation. My e-bike is quite a bit crappier and doesn't have quite the same range, but it was about 1/3 the cost back in 2021 at the height of the ongoing pandemic. Are these things driving inflation? Anyway, the battery management on mine seems dicky; two years in and it looks like one of the cells has gone high resistance.
Nope, the tyres are pretty good on many difference surfaces. The shock give a nice smooth ride. Of course, I haven't taken it on or off-road because that would be illegal....
@@EEVblog2 Try hitting a good sized pothole or sinkhole. I did that with a similar scooter and went right over the handlebars. I am lucky to be alive, but I still haven't fully recovered over a month later and I may have nerve damage in my neck which causes my right hand to go numb and drop things randomly.
@@EEVblog2 Test it on a street with root heave/seams and huge cracks, or older concrete ones with huge gaps and vertical differences between the slabs, various road debris like concrete/asphalt chunks, pine cones, various car parts and what others have said, pot holes. WTF Shocks make it safer? Shocks don't help when your wheel is wedged in a pothole larger than the diameter of the wheel, so the scooter flips forward shock or no shock. Edit: I was once a bicycle commuter, so have lots of experience with the different road conditions than can exist. I will ride a bicycle with wheels larger than 12" around roads with bike lanes or quiet residential side streets, or full size wheels (24" or larger) on "normal" streets that may have some potholes. I also have a kick scooter with 6" wheels that I rode on sidewalks from an era where there were only gasoline powered scooters, even that was sketchy when there were huge root heaves, but since it was a kick scooter, it didn't go nearly as fast as electric scooters. I would NEVER ride an electric scooter in traffic on streets without well maintained dedicated bike lanes.
Dumb laws were meant to be broken. Look at the number of these things getting around in the CBD and inner west as an example. I can sit in a pub on oxford street and watch these things go by all the time. Ride responsibly, at a speed suited to the conditions and wear a helmet and the cops don't bother you. I've been riding mine (emove Cruiser before and inmotion S1 now) for 2 years just fine, never had an interaction with police except one officer holding a pub door open for me to wheel it inside (no I didn't ride it home - short walk home pushing it). Edit: They want $2k for that - my inmotion S1 is built like a tank and would take that 15 degree incline, no sweat, in eco mode! $500 cheaper too.
"Illegal" doesnt seem to stop anyone with this type of thing in my area (Richmond, BC, Canada). I've even seen people writing in to media to complain about the things, police couldn't be bothered to enforce - they have better things to do. I'd rather these than the horrible two stroke engine bike things - which are even more illegal and also not enforced.
@@EEVblog2 I love the way that cloth-headed governments simply roll out the "ban hammer" whenever they encounter something new -- instead of perhaps looking at other jurisdictions/countries where they could learn from the mistakes of others and simply introduce some reasonable guidelines or rules for safe operation. Politicians and bureaucrats -- sigh!
Self healing tyres work (i still have the nail lol). There's 2 versions as I found out (different tyres 30psi or 45psi and sticker colour different)I ended up buying a few last month JB hi-fi i paid $699 each for most of them (display or $100 + more if postage to your door & more with 2yr extended warranty so 3yr total). I've done almost 500km (30psi version although I run at 45psi because at 30 didn't self heal unless higher psi) and no issues. Ill be fitting the Apollo controller for the extra speed (40-44kmh single motor)
I believe People will have issues with the screens cracking putting it down into fold down mode too That's pretty close to where the screen is where it's rubbing I wonder if the charger port is going to be a issue too Definite Should have went with Justible bars And hydraulic dis breaks would be a nice touch 🤔
I'm not sure what to make of the e-scooters. They replace a faster way of getting around than walking for short distances, where a bike is not yet worth it or then can't be transported further for space reasons and jogging is too strenuous. A folding bike is usually a bit too big for public transport, especially the omnibus. However, I do not see why an electric drive must be installed. After all, such an e-scooter must also be disposed of. The problem with not only battery recycling is well known (in Germany, lithium batteries are declared as municipal waste...). For short distances, I would like to have a normal pneumatic scooter, as larger children used to play with before scooters with hard wheels appeared. Moving yourself with muscle power is also good for your health. As for speed, I think that the difference speed of different road users is the danger. An e-scooter that goes 15...25 km/h should be equated with a bicycle. A scooter is still more dangerous in the event of hazard braking, the design disadvantages have already been mentioned. As children, we squatted to brake - but that was a predictable braking and not a hazard braking. I would not want to go 20 km/h on a scooter in traffic ;-) With a folding bike with a similar folding mechanism on the handlebars, the same broke off me at a hazard braking at about 30 km/h. I do not weigh 70 kg. Try the braking but carefully ;-)
Batteries are recycled in germany, not thrown in the waste, what are you on about? "This shows that in the 2021 reporting year, a high proportion of the recyclable materials in used batteries were again efficiently recovered and Germany achieved all the minimum targets set by the EU for the collection and recycling of used batteries."
Redo the tests with a 50kg backpack. In particular when climbing the ramp... The 25km/h limit is probably to be legal in some countries that impose that limit.
Scooters are one of the weirdest thing that happened recently. I last saw them when I was a kid. Then everybody only had skateboards, bmx, mountain bikes.
Pretty sure that thing is illegal in all Australian states, not just NSW because it's also 500 W, seem the manufacturer is trying to argue it's a bicycle not a foot scooter, but they forgot to sell it with one of those removable seats. But the whole e-foot-scooter (and e-bike) thing in Australia is an absolute joke and annoys me to no end. The laws here in Queensland are equally stupid and self contradicting, however here it's the other way around, the power limits for e-scooters are higher than that of bicycles, makes no sense until you realize they changed the laws when one of those e-scooter rental companies paid off the local Brisbane city council after dumping their scooters on the city footpaths. Now there's all those issues where it's legal on a state level and in Brisbane city but illegal in most other cities and towns, but who on earth is going to read that far into it? You can buy it from reputable stores so surely it's legal, right? There were also quite a few news articles back when those things first starting going mainstream and you could buy them at places like JB Hi-Fi, anyone who used it on public roads got slapped with "operating an unregistered, uninsured, unroadworthy R class motorcycle without a license", so thousands of dollars in fines and suspension of your car drivers license, this is why you sometimes see people on e-scooters fleeing from police at any cost and why some police claim they're justified in ramming people off their e-scooter. But the best part is the press photos or social media posts from politicians riding those illegal e-scooters and e-bikes trying to promote themselves only to be criticized for it and quickly delete it.
@@EEVblog2 It's "capable" of 500 W though, the laws here in QLD at least require the motor to be physically limited to a power by design (they know people will do software trickery), this is enforced on the roadside by what power is permanently marked on the motor, as it has 500 W printed on the motor it's 500 W in the eyes of the traffic enforcement officer about to meet their ticket quota for the week on you. Those laws also apply to your Sinclair C5, it doesn't comply with the requirements for e-bikes, so it's illegal to operate on public roads as well.
The price is not right for such thing, a hipster price. The matt/dull black barber finish is everywhere right now and it is nice but I like to see some chrome or color elements to cheer it up a bit.
"many km's All around the carpark of course" - is that a comment on Sydney traffic i.e. one big car park. Either way, the rule sucks. Not sure what the answer is, but i would prefer to see more scooters/bikes and less cars.
Is this the new mailbag format? or are you still gonna do the old ones where you open multiple mailbags in 1 video Sucks that the e-scooters are banned there, here in Sweden they are allowed if you drive on the road and not the sidewalk
I did a poll and people wanted shorter 20min mailbags with only a couple of items or a single item. This thing wasn't main channel electronics related, so it went on the 2nd channel.
So what if there are laws, do it in the name of science! Did anyone try to stop Dr Emmett Brown from driving a Delorian with a flux capacitor through town?
Wow, Congrats with NSW politicians 😮. Here in Norway, where skateboards were banned for plenty of years, up until the 2000s, e-scooters are very welcome. It is such a great way to get around. We had to ban and limit e-scooter rental businesses because it was way to many and if you had to go through Oslo at 06 in the morning, it looked like someone had gotten Bali stomach and sprayed all of downtown with scooters..
Considering you can't ride it on the road, then you will be riding amongst pedestrians, 25kph is about 5 times faster than walking pace. I don't think I want a metal missile spearing down the footpath towards me at 25 or even 10 kph. Fun toy, TOY.......
@@DirkFedermann usually you just look for the word "Straßenzulassung", "StVO" or "Betriebserlaubnis" If one of them checks there's no worries. Just looked and found a dozen which are compliant.
Got a e-scooter from aldi segway ninebot with 20k range has disk on backwheel and uses regen braking on front where the motor is and is smooth and works well and me and my son ride it all over the place no problems with cops this is in south Australia
Yes, SAPOL seem to be pretty lenient at the moment with these, though they're still illegal and any accident will be a huge issue for the rider. Unfortunately, there are a number of yahoos doing dumb and dangerous things on private eScooters and it's only a matter of time before they crack down.
It's a cut down version of the Apollo City 22, with a smaller battery to drop the weight under 25kg, so the Fun Police over here in WA don't steal it from you for some arbitrary weight rule.
Those laws must have some interests behind it. How can a car be legal on street with the possible speed limit being whatever it can and a scooter is *illegal* when anyone that wants one most of the time isn't for the speed and if it is, they don't go faster than the average car
They are having a lot of injuries on footpaths vs pedestrians and deaths with car vs e-scooters here in Western Australia which is fueling these sort of laws here.
Another consideration with these things is some of them require apps on your phone, Xiaomi, Ninebot/Segway etc Very unappealing. I would only consider the various other options like Emove etc
The Segway Ninebot will not go on its own without being paired to your phone either, the app can run in the background though. Your phone essentially acts like a car key, which means whoever will steal it, can't reconnect as new and won't run!
I'm happy those awful things are illegal on the public roads over here. The amount of videos on the tubes with the menacing things on the road is enormous.
them seem cool, though would be more interesting if battery tech was better. A 500W battery pack on an e-scooter or e-bike is considered huge but it doesn't offer much real range, you're charging it every few days if you commute with it, and you'll reach 1000 battery cycles in a year or two. The spec sheet "50 km" range is laughable. it'll do 20 km at best
No evidence for this model in particular, just personal anecdote that it's realistic to halve the manufacturer's claim under real world conditions. My buddy's 100km range e-bike does 40-50km in reality. This industry desperately needs better third party verification
If you use it exclusively in eco mode you may get more than the 50km range. Sport mode draws the programmed maximum current. Thus the fast drop on the battery meter. RTFM
Pretty cool; got a Xiaomi Pro 2 which has been very handy to get around when the car is out of action. Mind you here in the UK the restrictions are pretty silly too. The worst is no escooters to be transported on the bus or underground - just because of isolated incidents of batteries exploding.
We've got one of those too. And I cannot confirm that if you pair the phone app with the scooter it totally doesn't have an option to remove the speed restriction, or can you lock the throttle on so it carries on without your thumb getting tired. Nope.
@NCOT Technology Hi, not sure myself about the app, used it initially for setting up about 3 years ago and then deleted it; don't know what version it is at now. Been eyeing up some of the more powerful dual motor escooters lately for a future upgrade.
I've also got Pro 2, and it is awsome, in Poland you can take it in to the trains for no additional cost if it's folded, so it is really handy, you can't take it into the bus, but even without hacks, the speed in the city centre is comparable. Recently hacked it to go over 50kmh with custom battery
Small, narrow wheels. High center of gravity, and very close to the front wheel to make matters worse. I wouldnt want one even if they throw it after me for free. Just buy a normal scooter. Those things will outlast any electric e-waste...... (especially the old 2T variants, not much that can go bad in those)
In Germany, we call them "Idiot accelerators"... I don't think anybody actually owns one, rental companies just litter the streets of major cities with them. "Join the revolution, make the world greener"? How about you just get a bike and pedal for yourself you lazy buggers. With E-Bikes I can understad it gives mobility back to the elderly people. Those E-Scooters are a waste of resources. Especially since rental companies don't charge them with their own solar power but put load on the grid instead, so that city folk can ride them for 1K instead of taking public transport or, heaven forbid, just walk.
Wow, its strange to hear something is legal in Germany that is illegal in other countries. Usually its the other way around. You can either ride a hired scooter or your personal scooter. However you have to pay something like 20€/Year for an insurance if you want to use your personal scooter on public streets / bicycle lanes. Apparently a lot of accidents happen with these scooters involved (i wonder why). 25km/h is the speed limit here.
Aluminum is nearly the most resource intensive material to harvest on the entire planet. Maybe you should do some research before regurgitating tree hugging rhetoric. Aside from AL, you should probably do more research into how the other material for your "environmentally friendly" scooters are manufactured and/or recycled.
@@EEVblog2 You get to keep it? sorry - but around long enough to be a bit cynical on such stuff.. and your "Mailbag" been a bit swamped with companies sending in stuff for free reviews.I know your stated position on this.. so thats good.. and you did put on only your second channel... but its a big review.. and way you did it just made me feel a bit dirty watching (so I didnt.. just scanned about 5%)..
200w limit for e bikes was a thing in QLD for ever - i think they need to see personal electric transport as a green option - my guess is the loss of rego and road tax that they're miffed about
"Make the world greener" What a crock. I think it would be a better look if these corporation didn't slather their products with virtue signalling that is demonstrably false.
@@EEVblog2 sure in other videos with many items you left a few complex or specials ones with teardown for later... Show me the ones with just one item in it that you don't take apart. This video was indeed a mailbad video and not a mailbag video like you just stated lol. Anyway it's your channel and you can do what you want but as a long time viewer I just expected you to do better than clickbait.
here in the UK you can legally ride a hired scooter, but you cant ride one you buy yourself. it's almost as if lobbyist's have paid people in the government to make it that way...
"You will own nothing and you will be happy" (WEF)
Start your own LLC and rent out your scooter to yourself
Yea I posted the same John. It’s crazy Bs.
yet there’s loads of people running ridiculously fast scooters round my way - some of them seem to have a death wish
This is literally what happened.
We used to have a e-scooter used in our warehouse, shared between the logistics and production manager, so they could get from one end to the other end.
Unfortunately it broke and no one has replaced it.
It was really useful when I still worked in IT and took it from the front of office to assist dispatch at the rear.
We could have used somethign like that in our 180m long production factory I used to work in.
That what they do at Linus media group to get across between buildings.
@@EEVblog2 In Germany, it's weird. You can drive such a thing - but only on normal streets and not on the pavement. This makes those things - thanks to their limited power and their tiny wheels - a (for the driver) dangerous obstacle in the traffic. And on the pavement, they are just to powerful, so it's illegal to drive there.
Those vehicles are more or less useless here.
@@hermannschaefer4777 A bike has to ride on the street too and is about the same speed
I love EEVblogs presentations - always both informative and interesting - plus the superseriously high levels of enthusiasm in his voice - imagine he's the captain on the flight deck explaining about that exploding engine.......
Take it apart!
Deathtrap!
think its strange that retailers can sell electric scooters in NSW that are only legal to ride on Private Property. "In New South Wales it is illegal to ride an electric scooter on any road or any road related area"....
Interesting, not sure how much I trust these things yet. Would love to see a more detailed look at the battery / wiring quality
Here in my region in Spain you can use them, but you can't bring them into public transport. There were apparently multiple fires, including in the Barcelona metro, so the transport people issued a recommendation to prohibit carrying electric bikes, scooters, monocycles, etc. inside buses and trains.
The reason for the bans is basically two things. First, the poor ridership - their ease of use and popularity made them a scourge on the sidewalks with many riders crashing into pedestrians and causing lots of injuries. Second, many e-scooter rental companies have been ignoring complaints about their scooters being left everywhere creating a hazard on the sidewalk for other users (especially those in wheelchairs and such because they're often carelessly littered about). It's gotten to the point there are private companies who will clean up the mess and charge the e-scooter companies for return of their littered equipment. E-bikes are a different matter as most bikes either use their own lanes or traffic lanes, so they shouldn't be running into pedestrians and causing injuries. Quite likely what will happen is regulations on how fast they can go - perhaps 20kph is too fast for sidewalks and it may get reduced.
In the UK, they can be ridden on streets as a lot of councils rent them out. But cannot be taken on public transport since 31/01/2023. Local = fine, commuting = no.
e-scooters kinda have a problem of being less safer than a bicycle (you just get yeeted over the bars if you had to break hard or hit a small obstacle), while also being able to be significantly faster at no effort from the driver.
I've seem people zooming on those at like 40km/h on shared bike/pedestrian path, none of that looked safe. Outright ban is probably too much but even if you limit them to say 15km/h people will just go around
Also do a burnout!
I think those are limited to 15km/h here in germany. Seems to work reasonably well. But nowadays you're not allowed to ride those drunk so.. good old bicycle it is I guess.
@@allesklarklaus147 here in Poland its 20km/h which is *fine* but I was going 30km/h on bike path downhill and I got overtaken by one which is like wtf...
Mate you are ****ing crazy if you ride this without a helmet out on the road. I gained a lot of appreciation for helmets after I started riding motorcycles. It really does not take much for a permanent lights-out (like literally a few km/h).
I see what you did there with the Crocodile Dundee ref: "Now that's a knife"...
You can acivate zero start by pressing the power button 5 times
Fun fact is before legalize (in Hong Kong), so many people are riding these things on the road including "deliveroo" and "food panda" deliver guys.
Daiyve, you might have named your "low burden" DMM the Bandicoot Meter. Now, some scooter guy owns it.
At least there is an audible feedback on the turn signals. I hate the ones (there are many) that has the lights but not the sounds.
How useful is that in practice?
@@EEVblog2 The former lime scooters in our town had turn signals, but no audible feedback, so unfortunately many people didn't even notice that they were left on, which is... not good. The newer ones no longer have turn signals. For this reason, I don't find it the most useful in the world either... so it's either sound+light or neither. Idk. :)
@@EEVblog2I sure wish mine had turn signals. Can't communicate by lifting a hand like on a bike, as you'll way too easily lose balance without both hands on the handlebars.
Thought about one of these, but decoded to go with a foldable E-bike instead, fits nicely in my Model Y.
Easy speed hack, in the controller configuration set the tire diameter to less than the real diameter. Thinks it needs more tire revolutions to go the set speed.
7:38.... RTFM. I bought a used 100,000Km Honda Accord for the same price of that puny scooter 3 years ago and it's still running great.
It was literally an unboxing video.
how much did that Honda cost in insurance,tax, and fuel?
Can you drive your car inside buildings, take it with you, and be greener for the environment? I didn't think so.
Stop comparing your car to a different class of transport, you're an ICE car, this is an electric scooter, use your brain!
I have my own e scooter, the Segway Ninebot as a personal one I bought. Here in the United States, it's up to the states to decide the rules.
Here in Arkansas, these are legal with 32kmh speed limit, and just stick to using the bicycle lanes or the extreme right side of the road. I was able to ride it anywhere, even inside of buildings! No ban was mandated here yet, except nobody gives a damn, they'll overtake you recklessly sometimes.
Yeah, the fact that they're illegal to ride in public makes them pretty useless. I read one article where they interviewed someone who got a fine, it was over $5,000, which was more than twice the cost of the scooter!
$75 fine here.
@@EEVblog2 I think here something that isn't approved for use on public roads will be confiscated and destroyed if used on public roads
@@EEVblog2 Nope. If you're on the bitumen when/if they want to grab you they'll peg you for the equivalent of riding an unregistered motorcycle. That means everything ADR compliant and the helmet needs to be AS rated motorcycle helmet too.
But as I said in another post they typically turn a blind eye if you're not being a wanker on it.
Don't just drive it, take it apart!
Wow, I might be moving to Sydney soon, my plan was to get an e-scooter, bummer, glad I saw your video, otherwise I would have wasted money and worse.
But is it available as a right-hand drive?? 😉 Edit: Bummer about the scooter ban, but not surprising. People were real asses with the rentals here in the 'States when they came out, though we still haven't banned them anywhere I know of.
Progress on legalising e-scooters and other PMDs across Australia is being made. The state transport ministers signed off on an amendment to the Australian Road Rules (ARR) in mid-2021. Generally the states legislate their own road rules to align with the ARR. NSW had a transport minister at the time who wasn't particularly keen on progressing things in that state, maybe things have changed of late. In the mean time, Dave can come down to Victoria if he wants to test his new toy in public (at least during our extended and expanded trial).
We have a legal cap at 250W for both e-scooters and e-bikes. Higher than that and they’re not classed as bikes anymore, but motorcycles.
here is it just a 20km/h speed limit for scooters, e-bikes are 25km/h and 250W
Same thing here in Germany, not allowed to ride it without license plate, blinkers, mirrors (!) and headlights and ... and...
Most Sydney cops turn a blind eye if you're behaving yourself. Wear proper gear and keep off the bitumen and on the footpaths, don't do stupid stuff and you'll be ok. I'm in the St George area and never had issues.
I had a segway g30 max for a year which range and power wise is compatible to that one and would definitely be a competitor. For prior owners of the G30 max this would be a nice upgrade with the suspension
It’s the same in the U.K. Dave. I’d love to have one for local commutes but we have the same bans and trials. It’s absolutely madness.
yeh its a joke but in some cities and town you can rent them. its all about money,
@@HA05GER The dangers involved on riding them on roads is no joke so I am not surprised that they are banned.
@@Bob_Burton yeh I don't disagree but the fact anyone can rent one is stupid. The same person ain't going to be any safer because they've rented it. If your gunna ban em it should be a blanket van across the board. Also they like electric bikes are restricted to 15mph. Electric bikes are legal again makes no sense they are essentially the same thing. Could do just as much harm or damage on a bike as a scooter.
In Poland we can drive on bike lanes normally, but on sidewalks we have to limit our scooters to the unspecified speed of pedestrians, which is stupid. I just use my scooter at 30km/h but I'm always careful to slow down even just close to people, for safety. My scooter goes 30km/h because i got it from the netherlands :D
@@kam_mil Scooters on roads in dedicated lanes would seem reasonable but not on sidewalks
Hey Dave! Why not consider an adult manual kick scooter with large wheels? Not as flashy but they are small and light, you don’t have to charge and good for your health! Stick an inflatable wheel at the front and you can bomb hills really fast too 😀 I ride mine almost everywhere and am also learning to longboard 👍
Aussie model? Is that handlebar at right side?
If you import the US model it goes backward.
I would have expected the Aussie model would ride on the ceiling 😉
@@SystemX1983 Only if you try riding it in the northern hemisphere.
@@UpLateGeek everywhere else except in Australia 😆😂
@@EEVblog2 hahahahaha great thanks for that
I've got an electric unicycle (EUC) that I loved commuting on, but I've packed it away after hearing that other local riders were getting clapped with huge tickets. Really insulting given that the same gov't charges us a carbon tax
Same in the UK. Self owned are Illegal (unless you register them and insure).
Public schemes have been very successful though (and those are far better up hill than that thing).
I'm surprised there isn't some e-tax on them!
My granddaughter loves hers as do the other kids around here, it gets them outside instead of being stuck indoors!
Trust me, you don't really want one of these to go more than 25kph. Even at 25kph, you are one road defect away from breaking your neck. I took a good spill at 10mph and I was lucky...but it still took more than a month to recover from.
Keep both hands on the wheel at ALL times. You won't have enough control authority when you need it otherwise.
yeh, on a bike you have three points of contact, hands,butt,feet, you can do with two. On a scooter you only have two hands and feet
Wanted to write the same - 25-30 is maximum you can safely do on it. Smaller wheels make it more demanding to the road quality, and there aren't really emergency brakes
done 600km on my electric scooter on quite bumpy roads and I agree with you!
tho it's not as scary as you said, haven't had an accident for the entire 600km.
Tho always keep both hands on the wheel, had too many close calls signaling with my hand
That "bag hanger" looks more like something to bungee a shoephone for GPS navigation.
My e-bike is quite a bit crappier and doesn't have quite the same range, but it was about 1/3 the cost back in 2021 at the height of the ongoing pandemic. Are these things driving inflation? Anyway, the battery management on mine seems dicky; two years in and it looks like one of the cells has gone high resistance.
The small wheels are not safe unless the road surface is meticulously maintained... Which means unsafe in most areas.
Nope, the tyres are pretty good on many difference surfaces. The shock give a nice smooth ride. Of course, I haven't taken it on or off-road because that would be illegal....
Not for use in the midwest US.
Test it on a pothole….
@@EEVblog2 Try hitting a good sized pothole or sinkhole. I did that with a similar scooter and went right over the handlebars.
I am lucky to be alive, but I still haven't fully recovered over a month later and I may have nerve damage in my neck which causes my right hand to go numb and drop things randomly.
@@EEVblog2 Test it on a street with root heave/seams and huge cracks, or older concrete ones with huge gaps and vertical differences between the slabs, various road debris like concrete/asphalt chunks, pine cones, various car parts and what others have said, pot holes.
WTF Shocks make it safer? Shocks don't help when your wheel is wedged in a pothole larger than the diameter of the wheel, so the scooter flips forward shock or no shock.
Edit: I was once a bicycle commuter, so have lots of experience with the different road conditions than can exist. I will ride a bicycle with wheels larger than 12" around roads with bike lanes or quiet residential side streets, or full size wheels (24" or larger) on "normal" streets that may have some potholes. I also have a kick scooter with 6" wheels that I rode on sidewalks from an era where there were only gasoline powered scooters, even that was sketchy when there were huge root heaves, but since it was a kick scooter, it didn't go nearly as fast as electric scooters. I would NEVER ride an electric scooter in traffic on streets without well maintained dedicated bike lanes.
Dumb laws were meant to be broken. Look at the number of these things getting around in the CBD and inner west as an example. I can sit in a pub on oxford street and watch these things go by all the time. Ride responsibly, at a speed suited to the conditions and wear a helmet and the cops don't bother you. I've been riding mine (emove Cruiser before and inmotion S1 now) for 2 years just fine, never had an interaction with police except one officer holding a pub door open for me to wheel it inside (no I didn't ride it home - short walk home pushing it).
Edit: They want $2k for that - my inmotion S1 is built like a tank and would take that 15 degree incline, no sweat, in eco mode! $500 cheaper too.
"Illegal" doesnt seem to stop anyone with this type of thing in my area (Richmond, BC, Canada). I've even seen people writing in to media to complain about the things, police couldn't be bothered to enforce - they have better things to do. I'd rather these than the horrible two stroke engine bike things - which are even more illegal and also not enforced.
escooters are legal in richmond since 2021...
technically a car park like that probably counts as a public road
Dave are you sure you turned off your Weller Soldering Iron before you left? :)) Hopefully that´s not the reason why the lights went off :))
The handle-bars need to fold down parallel to the upright for carrying otherwise they poke out the side too much.
Yep. I guess you could call this a "touring" scooter. It's got nice wide handle bars, big, heavy. Compact carrying wasn't on the design specs.
@@EEVblog2 I love the way that cloth-headed governments simply roll out the "ban hammer" whenever they encounter something new -- instead of perhaps looking at other jurisdictions/countries where they could learn from the mistakes of others and simply introduce some reasonable guidelines or rules for safe operation.
Politicians and bureaucrats -- sigh!
Hey Dave, does that mean they are gonna ban/remove all those hire e-scooters that were/are sitting around Sydney too?
Self healing tyres work (i still have the nail lol). There's 2 versions as I found out (different tyres 30psi or 45psi and sticker colour different)I ended up buying a few last month JB hi-fi i paid $699 each for most of them (display or $100 + more if postage to your door & more with 2yr extended warranty so 3yr total). I've done almost 500km (30psi version although I run at 45psi because at 30 didn't self heal unless higher psi) and no issues. Ill be fitting the Apollo controller for the extra speed (40-44kmh single motor)
I believe People will have issues with the screens cracking putting it down into fold down mode too That's pretty close to where the screen is where it's rubbing I wonder if the charger port is going to be a issue too Definite Should have went with Justible bars And hydraulic dis breaks would be a nice touch 🤔
I'm not sure what to make of the e-scooters. They replace a faster way of getting around than walking for short distances, where a bike is not yet worth it or then can't be transported further for space reasons and jogging is too strenuous. A folding bike is usually a bit too big for public transport, especially the omnibus. However, I do not see why an electric drive must be installed. After all, such an e-scooter must also be disposed of. The problem with not only battery recycling is well known (in Germany, lithium batteries are declared as municipal waste...). For short distances, I would like to have a normal pneumatic scooter, as larger children used to play with before scooters with hard wheels appeared. Moving yourself with muscle power is also good for your health.
As for speed, I think that the difference speed of different road users is the danger. An e-scooter that goes 15...25 km/h should be equated with a bicycle. A scooter is still more dangerous in the event of hazard braking, the design disadvantages have already been mentioned. As children, we squatted to brake - but that was a predictable braking and not a hazard braking. I would not want to go 20 km/h on a scooter in traffic ;-)
With a folding bike with a similar folding mechanism on the handlebars, the same broke off me at a hazard braking at about 30 km/h. I do not weigh 70 kg.
Try the braking but carefully ;-)
Batteries are recycled in germany, not thrown in the waste, what are you on about? "This shows that in the 2021 reporting year, a high proportion of the recyclable materials in used batteries were again efficiently recovered and Germany achieved all the minimum targets set by the EU for the collection and recycling of used batteries."
Redo the tests with a 50kg backpack. In particular when climbing the ramp...
The 25km/h limit is probably to be legal in some countries that impose that limit.
If you weigh 125kg then I recommend riding a bike, a lot....
Agree, at 125kg a bike will get you to the cake shop much more quickly
Scooters are one of the weirdest thing that happened recently. I last saw them when I was a kid. Then everybody only had skateboards, bmx, mountain bikes.
All fun and games until one of these electric scooters runs into you
The scooter doesn't run into you, the rider does. Don't blame the scooter, blame the idiot.
Pretty sure that thing is illegal in all Australian states, not just NSW because it's also 500 W, seem the manufacturer is trying to argue it's a bicycle not a foot scooter, but they forgot to sell it with one of those removable seats.
But the whole e-foot-scooter (and e-bike) thing in Australia is an absolute joke and annoys me to no end. The laws here in Queensland are equally stupid and self contradicting, however here it's the other way around, the power limits for e-scooters are higher than that of bicycles, makes no sense until you realize they changed the laws when one of those e-scooter rental companies paid off the local Brisbane city council after dumping their scooters on the city footpaths. Now there's all those issues where it's legal on a state level and in Brisbane city but illegal in most other cities and towns, but who on earth is going to read that far into it? You can buy it from reputable stores so surely it's legal, right?
There were also quite a few news articles back when those things first starting going mainstream and you could buy them at places like JB Hi-Fi, anyone who used it on public roads got slapped with "operating an unregistered, uninsured, unroadworthy R class motorcycle without a license", so thousands of dollars in fines and suspension of your car drivers license, this is why you sometimes see people on e-scooters fleeing from police at any cost and why some police claim they're justified in ramming people off their e-scooter. But the best part is the press photos or social media posts from politicians riding those illegal e-scooters and e-bikes trying to promote themselves only to be criticized for it and quickly delete it.
It's software limited to 250W
uk has the same laws - but amazingly the hire out ones are legal
@@EEVblog2 It's "capable" of 500 W though, the laws here in QLD at least require the motor to be physically limited to a power by design (they know people will do software trickery), this is enforced on the roadside by what power is permanently marked on the motor, as it has 500 W printed on the motor it's 500 W in the eyes of the traffic enforcement officer about to meet their ticket quota for the week on you.
Those laws also apply to your Sinclair C5, it doesn't comply with the requirements for e-bikes, so it's illegal to operate on public roads as well.
The price is not right for such thing, a hipster price. The matt/dull black barber finish is everywhere right now and it is nice but I like to see some chrome or color elements to cheer it up a bit.
For total kms press power button x3 quickly. Read the manual for instructions for cruise control and to remove safety take off etc
I have this exact model but I have had a loose stem since I've owned it and haven't found 1 way to fix this...
"many km's All around the carpark of course" - is that a comment on Sydney traffic i.e. one big car park. Either way, the rule sucks. Not sure what the answer is, but i would prefer to see more scooters/bikes and less cars.
It says on the box 25%, not degrees, which is 14 Degrees..
My 15 degree ramp was a pretty spot on test.
@@EEVblog2 Roger
Is this the new mailbag format? or are you still gonna do the old ones where you open multiple mailbags in 1 video
Sucks that the e-scooters are banned there, here in Sweden they are allowed if you drive on the road and not the sidewalk
I did a poll and people wanted shorter 20min mailbags with only a couple of items or a single item. This thing wasn't main channel electronics related, so it went on the 2nd channel.
So what if there are laws, do it in the name of science! Did anyone try to stop Dr Emmett Brown from driving a Delorian with a flux capacitor through town?
Use a human powered scooter, make the world greener.
I ❤️ my human powered scooters 👍
Wow, Congrats with NSW politicians 😮. Here in Norway, where skateboards were banned for plenty of years, up until the 2000s, e-scooters are very welcome. It is such a great way to get around.
We had to ban and limit e-scooter rental businesses because it was way to many and if you had to go through Oslo at 06 in the morning, it looked like someone had gotten Bali stomach and sprayed all of downtown with scooters..
Canberra is flooded with these e-scooters for rent. Practically every corner.
@@EEVblog2 how does that work with mandatory helmet use?
Considering you can't ride it on the road, then you will be riding amongst pedestrians, 25kph is about 5 times faster than walking pace.
I don't think I want a metal missile spearing down the footpath towards me at 25 or even 10 kph.
Fun toy, TOY.......
Did u work out if u can hack the speed limiter on it yet
Take it apaaaat! 🔥
In germany we just buy insurance and the license plate and we're good to go.
isn't there a limited list of e-scooter that even can get registration? It's been a while since I've looked into it.
@@DirkFedermann usually you just look for the word "Straßenzulassung", "StVO" or "Betriebserlaubnis" If one of them checks there's no worries. Just looked and found a dozen which are compliant.
10:39 What does weight have to do with this?
You're not allowed to ride an e-bike that can exclusively be propelled by a motor.
14:20 0 Km and battery is already half empty?
Like I said, the Trip odometer is crap. It did show the total km at one point, but now it's zero. I've done many km on this.
Got a e-scooter from aldi segway ninebot with 20k range has disk on backwheel and uses regen braking on front where the motor is and is smooth and works well and me and my son ride it all over the place no problems with cops this is in south Australia
Yes, SAPOL seem to be pretty lenient at the moment with these, though they're still illegal and any accident will be a huge issue for the rider. Unfortunately, there are a number of yahoos doing dumb and dangerous things on private eScooters and it's only a matter of time before they crack down.
@@_BangDroid_ yep fum police but i car ride my bike at over 25ks a hour and still hit someone and it would cause more damage
Isn't the NSW limit 250W, so this will be banned anyways?
Forgot to mention that. Motor is software limited to 250W, same as the top speed is limited
Definitely felt different but was great! Right in the beginning I got Project Farm vibes, "We're gonna test that!" Aussie version!
It's a cut down version of the Apollo City 22, with a smaller battery to drop the weight under 25kg, so the Fun Police over here in WA don't steal it from you for some arbitrary weight rule.
Those laws must have some interests behind it. How can a car be legal on street with the possible speed limit being whatever it can and a scooter is *illegal* when anyone that wants one most of the time isn't for the speed and if it is, they don't go faster than the average car
They are having a lot of injuries on footpaths vs pedestrians and deaths with car vs e-scooters here in Western Australia which is fueling these sort of laws here.
Are you serious?
@@JonnyMac351 Same applies to cyclists I would guess
Another consideration with these things is some of them require apps on your phone, Xiaomi, Ninebot/Segway etc
Very unappealing. I would only consider the various other options like Emove etc
That would be a show stopper for me. Screw that.
For xiaomi you only need an app to set it up, and then you can use it without it. At least with xiaomi pro 2, maybe it is different with newer models
The Segway Ninebot will not go on its own without being paired to your phone either, the app can run in the background though.
Your phone essentially acts like a car key, which means whoever will steal it, can't reconnect as new and won't run!
Dave seemed to have something on his mind while shooting the video, with how often he mentioned the dunny. Hope he got there in time :D
I'm happy those awful things are illegal on the public roads over here. The amount of videos on the tubes with the menacing things on the road is enormous.
them seem cool, though would be more interesting if battery tech was better. A 500W battery pack on an e-scooter or e-bike is considered huge but it doesn't offer much real range, you're charging it every few days if you commute with it, and you'll reach 1000 battery cycles in a year or two. The spec sheet "50 km" range is laughable. it'll do 20 km at best
Evidence of the 20km range claim? I'd expect the banner spec to be based on the Eco range of course.
No evidence for this model in particular, just personal anecdote that it's realistic to halve the manufacturer's claim under real world conditions. My buddy's 100km range e-bike does 40-50km in reality. This industry desperately needs better third party verification
If you use it exclusively in eco mode you may get more than the 50km range. Sport mode draws the programmed maximum current. Thus the fast drop on the battery meter. RTFM
Just unban yourself and avoid police who serve those bureaucrats who make ancient laws.
They chose the Bandicoot name after that other famous Bandicoot?
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Heaven forbid people had access to inexpensive transportation options that grant freedom of movement.
Can't have that.
Pretty cool; got a Xiaomi Pro 2 which has been very handy to get around when the car is out of action. Mind you here in the UK the restrictions are pretty silly too. The worst is no escooters to be transported on the bus or underground - just because of isolated incidents of batteries exploding.
We've got one of those too. And I cannot confirm that if you pair the phone app with the scooter it totally doesn't have an option to remove the speed restriction, or can you lock the throttle on so it carries on without your thumb getting tired. Nope.
@NCOT Technology Hi, not sure myself about the app, used it initially for setting up about 3 years ago and then deleted it; don't know what version it is at now. Been eyeing up some of the more powerful dual motor escooters lately for a future upgrade.
I've also got Pro 2, and it is awsome, in Poland you can take it in to the trains for no additional cost if it's folded, so it is really handy, you can't take it into the bus, but even without hacks, the speed in the city centre is comparable. Recently hacked it to go over 50kmh with custom battery
Yes this thing is banned in The Netherlands too, I do not know why, just get some certification/test done.
13:13 The battery was full when you started and after 00000 km it's half full?
The trip meter sucks, half the battery it seems.
So it WILL do 88mph! Sorry not sure how many celciuses that is.
This electric scooter looks like the Apollo City 2022.
Don't crash the bandicoot!
120kg capacity definitely not designed for sale in USA lmao
You might be writing some improved software, Dave!
Small, narrow wheels. High center of gravity, and very close to the front wheel to make matters worse. I wouldnt want one even if they throw it after me for free. Just buy a normal scooter. Those things will outlast any electric e-waste...... (especially the old 2T variants, not much that can go bad in those)
In Germany, we call them "Idiot accelerators"... I don't think anybody actually owns one, rental companies just litter the streets of major cities with them.
"Join the revolution, make the world greener"? How about you just get a bike and pedal for yourself you lazy buggers.
With E-Bikes I can understad it gives mobility back to the elderly people. Those E-Scooters are a waste of resources. Especially since rental companies don't charge them with their own solar power but put load on the grid instead, so that city folk can ride them for 1K instead of taking public transport or, heaven forbid, just walk.
Yeah, I'd rather ride my bike. This would just be for fun.
@@EEVblog2 Fun is not allowed in Germany for efficiency reasons.
Best we can do is public drinking festivals once a year ;)
Wow, its strange to hear something is legal in Germany that is illegal in other countries. Usually its the other way around.
You can either ride a hired scooter or your personal scooter. However you have to pay something like 20€/Year for an insurance if you want to use your personal scooter on public streets / bicycle lanes.
Apparently a lot of accidents happen with these scooters involved (i wonder why).
25km/h is the speed limit here.
74 - I always knew he was just a lightweight.. ;P
Omg I'd love to have one of those
200 watt max in QLD I believe...
If they really cared about the environment, ultra-light weight transportation like this would be fast-tracked.
Aluminum is nearly the most resource intensive material to harvest on the entire planet. Maybe you should do some research before regurgitating tree hugging rhetoric.
Aside from AL, you should probably do more research into how the other material for your "environmentally friendly" scooters are manufactured and/or recycled.
I thought I recognized that. Looks like that's the Apollo City 2022, they must be selling them to this company to rebadge for the Australian market.
not being able to securely carry it is a big fail
That was a big oversight.
Ah, one of these soon-to-be-banned suicide mobiles.
Sponsored?
No, they just sent it into the mailbag. Been doing this for a decade.
@@EEVblog2 You get to keep it? sorry - but around long enough to be a bit cynical on such stuff.. and your "Mailbag" been a bit swamped with companies sending in stuff for free reviews.I know your stated position on this.. so thats good.. and you did put on only your second channel... but its a big review.. and way you did it just made me feel a bit dirty watching (so I didnt.. just scanned about 5%)..
200w limit for e bikes was a thing in QLD for ever - i think they need to see personal electric transport as a green option - my guess is the loss of rego and road tax that they're miffed about
That front fork looks weak..
"Make the world greener"
What a crock. I think it would be a better look if these corporation didn't slather their products with virtue signalling that is demonstrably false.
Yeah, the usual grown worthy marketing.
They could have ground these beads clean and smooth.... I'm disappointed. :)
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Not a mailbag if you don't take it apart to it's smallest bits and show the PCB. If you want to do unboxing advertisements just call them that.
There are a ton of mailbad video where I don't open stuff, and have left teardown for a future video. You must be new here, welcome.
@@EEVblog2 sure in other videos with many items you left a few complex or specials ones with teardown for later... Show me the ones with just one item in it that you don't take apart. This video was indeed a mailbad video and not a mailbag video like you just stated lol. Anyway it's your channel and you can do what you want but as a long time viewer I just expected you to do better than clickbait.