Part Three: The Finders: CIA Child Trafficking Cult or Just Normal Cult? | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
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Part Three: The Finders: CIA Child Trafficking Cult or Just Normal Cult? | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Were The Finders a CIA operation? The short answer is "maybe"! The long answer is... this episode.
Original Air Date: January 23, 2024
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LMOA that true crime opening 😭
It explains all those cattle mutilations in Knobnoster, Missouri. LOFTIS AUDITORY SIGHTING.
Agent Ukulele? What are you doing here?
Thats overblown, just gravery of childrens toys :(
That is a seriously messed-up game Jamie played in middle school. When I was her age, all I did was play a game where everyone in my covered wagon slowly died of dysentery.
I played this Amazon river adventure game where you went spear-fishing and usually died prematurely.
Even for wild adventure games, i know kids media can be wild, and still childfriendly. But child traficking is, weird there. Dunno yoiu might be able too but probably hard to do childfriendly?! Why?
14:09 I used to draw a TON of so-called "pentagrams" as a kid, because that's how you draw a "star" when you're a child. I learned this in like, kindergarten, it's five strokes and you don't lift the crayon/marker while you draw, so it's super easy to draw and you can cover your doodle part with cute little stars. It's the least terrifying thing in existence.
That terrifying christmas pentagrams :O
It's wild to me that the story continues for two episodes after the authorities took the children. Usually, that's the cult episode climax.
"Why would you fact check a cop? just print whatever they say!" This is unironically what they teach journalism majors. I remember sitting through those classes and wondering why news outlets even needed journos if they were just going to publish police press releases nearly verbatim.
Turns out, they don't lmao.
Great :( , Al leat have them say "the police said" before.
THANK you! For pointing out the insanity of the real coffee claim. I have been fighting that battle for years since the ad is so crazy that people's minds just don't grab on to anything but the obvious incest
Excel? Nah, we’re in the epoch of Lotus 1-2-3.
Thanks for uploading to yt ad free. I have binged so many episodes in the last few months, Robert and Sophie have become as familiar as the voices in my head! Albeit, just a little bit more interesting! Greetings from Cork x
Holy shit, I’m one of those people who is psyched about you bringing up Voyage of the Mimi. I didn’t know Ben Affleck was in it, though. That’s wild.
As someone from the Grand Rapids area, this explains so much about what happened to one of my friends. It was Jamie.
Oh my god, you have my eternal gratitude for mentioning the voyage of the mimi
I watched it in elementary schoo, and remember us all LOVING it. Like as a group, we would elect to watch extra voyage of the mimi rather than get coveted computer time. It became one of those things i thought about randomly over the years, but never could remembered the name of. Hilariously i would not have made the connection to the ship and science show being called "the voyage of the mimi" if the naked cuddling hadn't been brought up. Kudos to that show for teaching me what to do if someone is hypothermic 😊
There is so much similarity between Marion Pettie and Lee Harvey Oswald. The military background, the trips to enemy countries, the connections to intelligence agencies.
The whole "cult" aspect almost feels like an MK Ultra offshoot, using cult programming techniques to study mind control.
Awesome series of episodes!
How many people did Pettie murder?
@@LTrotsky21stCentury how many Russian brides did he have? Hell, they even have different names!!
I guess they aren't alike at all, you're right. Definitely no intel connection then. Thanks for setting things straight.
This feels like the movie Burn Before Reading.
After?
Really satisfying to hear both the story of Robert's surname and also the accompanying evidence that names mean precisely fuck all besides what we choose to invest in them. I find name etymology interesting, just like how I find genealogy interesting, as an exploration of how people move and change over time - on different timescales and with varying specificity - but sometimes a whole family name changes because of one person's actions, or another person's choice - it means nothing about deep ancestral or ethnic heritage, it means what it meant to the person that chose it.
(Can you tell I was the sort of simple little kid who invested way too much in the idea of heritage out of a desperate search for identity?)
Also I am one of the Welsh BtB fans who did wonder whether there was a Welsh connection or if it was utterly incidental. My other thought was an Italian name that got "Anglicised" (Gallicised?) along the way. My speculations all came to naught
For example my last name, I was told as a kid we had records of us arriving in the US but not leaving Ireland which means it got changed one way or another. And then my grandma's maiden name is pronounced incorrectly on purpose because despite having a different spelling it's orginal pronunciation sounded just like Kleagle and for obvious reasons no one in our family wants to be associated with KKK.
@@yourlocalnerd7788 my surname apparently has Norman (i.e. Germanic North-French) and Scottish history, but anywhere in my family history someone might've misspelled a different name from somewhere else, or chosen to rename themselves, or even been given honorary family status as reward for a favour. What I do know, from recent genealogy, is that my ancestors came from all over and did all sorts of things to get by, none of it stands out as a "this is who we are" story
If you want proof that surnames don't mean much, my fun fact is that Eleanor Roosevelt's maiden name was Roosevelt.
Also I have the same surname as a terrible rich person in US politics, but so far I am not rich and I have not shot anyone in the face.
I gave myself a new/old family last name and then hyphenated it with my husband's and as a hobby genealogist I imagine future generations trying to parse that out with glee
I relate to Jamie because I too rewatched the original Fast and Furious recently (every one of the movies except 9 are currently on Australian netflix) and found it hysterically funny that they were trafficking in what is canonically like $6 million worth of dvd players XD at least the shady trafficking operations in later movies were for things like drugs and petrol lmfao. Also how come they never brought Leon and Jesse back when they've brought back literally everyone else... the actors for both are still around!
Also, 6 million dollars of DVD players is like... at least a dumptruck worth of DVD players.
I don't remember a dumptruck in that movie.
This makes me feel old
according to my grandma, during WWII there were many fit, well dressed young American's with money in their pockets. So... that tracks.
"Advanced electronic equipment" in the 80's - Commodore 64's and Atari ST's.
okay, i've had my ringtone as the True Crime podcast music but as a bit from Bojack Horseman, so when this episode came on i was completely convinced someone was calling me lol
@10:04 Holy cow. I remember that exact game from middle school computer class! The ending where you didn't find the kid was a gutpunch. I think this happened if you missed one last clue.
This is good quality CIA plant work by you two. Keep of the good work! Normal people review this type of stuff and come to the conclusion thay yeah maybe the FBI should be trusted after they let 2 men holding dirty children in a van walk free
Voyage of the Mimi lol!!! Deep cut
i strive to stay on the side of rationality, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" and all that jazz. but i'd like to point out, the CIA using non-state actors like cults as intel-gathering fronts has ample precedence. that was the larouche organization's shtick. it's not unthinkable an analyst in langley was tasked with looking over material provided by the finders.
If they'll fund Jackson Pullock they'll put money into anything
I'm sorry to say I'm one of the people who tried to google Sophie's age when I first started listening to this podcast. There's just something about her voice and way of speaking that makes her sound like a teenager.
She’s just terminally online, I think
Robert reads the sub confirmed
If I had a nickel for every piece of infotainment I've seen where the host claimed to be descended from a famous arsonist who went into protective custody, I'd have two nickels
You know when every time your 2 years old hears a jingle on the tv he strips naked and starts dancing in the middle of the living room and you decide to take a picture so you can embarass him when he's adult.
I did write the article about Jamie
Any chance that someone knows what game Jamie is talking about where she has to save the child?
This intro fucking sent my s8des into orbit
wait, butter in coffee? I know of butter in the but first time hearing of someone using it in coffee
HELL YEAH VOYAGE OF THE MIMI!
Classic opening
This guy just seems like Man in the High Castle universe Robert Evans.
Jamie please don't try to buy that game! That's a freaking creepypasta plot right there!
The true crime intro ended me
Why did Jamie do it? T_T
For a sec I thought Jamie was talking about Anonymous Agony
Love Jaime Loftus!
Yeah and the shoplifting she committed in cedar rapids
I will not stand for this baseless attack on the character of Jaime Loftus. While she has many talents they do not include committing a justifiable hammer murder(s) in Grand Rapids while shoplifting in Cedar Rapids, 400 miles away. You may have confused her with Jaime Farr, the actor, long considered a bane on Cedar Rapids for numerous petty crimes.
@@woodsonchem I googled it and it's true!
Ok i am with , he larped as spy and amateuur spy. And it was bad enoughthat he warned them about. Also tht he was talking to the cia. telling them losts of stuff, but they were hired to genuinly train and have a look because how shady they are.
i for one am here for ai generated true crime robert
Wasn't this part two?
Nope, there are two parts before this one
@@WitchOracleI don't know why but this was really funny to read.
yo first
Yall reall reviewed the finders situation and concluded "FBI should be trusted".😂 Yall gotta be a little more subtle with your propaganda guys !
They said multiple times throughout this that its hard to trust anybody involved, and that it was incompetently investigated by all sides. What do you mean the FBI should be trusted?