What if Japan became Christian in 1637?
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The Spanish would not declare the Japanese heretics.
Remember, the Spanish are the same people who allowed much of the rituals and practices of indigenous Mesoamericans and Andeans to persist as Catholic ceremonies. Sure most of it was cosmetic, but if the Japanese declared themselves Catholic (even with a few changes) they would not consider going to war like that.
What would be more likely is a Cold War-esque scenario where the two vie for dominance of the Northern Pacific ocean with Spain attempting to proselytize on the Japanese home islands fiercely while the Japanese would attempt to contain the Spanish in the Philippines.
Also, side note, after WW2 a lot of Catholic priests visited Japan in order to reconnect with the underground Catholic Church. They noted that despite not being in contact with the Vatican for centuries, there was remarkably little drift in the beliefs of Japanese Catholicism and the Vatican during that time. Just food for thought.
I think it depends, if the changes were simply cosmetic and linguistic then you're right. However, if they tried to add the emperor to the trinity like this vid suggests then the Latin church wouldn't hesitate to declare them heretics. However, I doubt they would do something that extreme. Even the uneducated Christian peasants wouldn't associate the face of the government which persecuted them with their God.
I think he's right they'd let him live in fear of retaliation, but probably as a hostage or just simply exile him.
@@JP-rf8rr yeah, but the video fails to take into account two things: first that Catholicism doesn't allow doctrine change, the Catholic Church allow some type of liberty in practice, but not in doctrine, second, if the Japanese are Catholic there would be local bishops and priests that would be able to maintain Japan more linked with the Pope.
The Emperor Question could be solved by marrying the Shogun with the Empress, remember that at the time Japan had an Empress not an Emperor, if she doesn't convert to Catholicism then marrying another princess of the imperial family and declaring her the new empress would do the trick, as the son of the couple could inherit from both, that way the shogun and the emperor could be the same person.
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But keep in mind that unless the Portuguese or Spaniard play a role in this uprising then odds are this church would be Japanese led and would answer to Japanese spiritual leaders first, unless perhaps the catholic church is quick to act and integrates priests immediately.
Makes good sense, it s just in the video, Japan just wanted an excuse to invade neighboring countries.
Said Japanese spiritual leaders would be Catholic, otherwise why would the revolt even be a thing?
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Then we would see the Bible being turned to an anime series which I would watch considering the Old Testament has wacky stuff
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The Old Testament's Book of Judge especially contains a lot of badass and ridiculous stories (i.e Samson, Ehud, othniel, etc).
Honestly not too far fetched to be adapted to Anime.
We will probably see Paradise Lost and Divine Comedy, insted of DBZ and Naruto...
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I totally did this in EU4. Started as the Shimazu clan and conquered the whole island of Kyushu. When the first Christian rebels spawned, I thought "Ah, why the heck not" and let them occupy every single province and convert it.
I did a Protestant, Peasant Republic Japan run not too long ago. Let’s just say China had a bad time.
Imagine the suprise on the Saracen's faces when they see an army of christian ninjas naruto running up the walls of Jerusalem
This would be epic
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Mamluks vs Samurai. Something straight out of AoE2.
More likely they would adopt a modified Western view: That the Emperor was God's anointed, as a figurehead to rally the people behind and protector of the Church, who should maintain power. That way, they keep the Emperor (as a puppet), AND keep their power at the same time.
I mean they could just give him the "divine right of kings" treatment and just roll with it, surprised he didn't mention that.
Like the Orthodox Church on Russia...
Yeah this would just end like HRE but not a clusterfuck
@@casuallatecomer7597 I don't think its that hard to demote the emperor from being a god to a representative of God with a divine right to rule.
The catch would likely be is that unlike the Kings of Europe, A Christian Japaness Emperor would likely be viewed as an Equal to Jesus as in his Vessel in Earth.
He would be also a Puppet like in our timeline.
"The year was 1637, and the world could be scientifically described as a shithole." oh yes, i love when ppl use scientific terminology to describe stuff.
Eye roll here. Define "shithole." It depends on where you sit. And very few were trying to define the world scientifically at that time. Some European powers were, however, developing the technologies of navigation, astronomy, and warfare that allowed them to circumnavigate the globe across vast oceans. BIG.
I feel like the Japanese would’ve fully adopted a modified Latin alphabet in some way, especially since the Japanese Christians were Catholics. I could be wrong, ofc, but that’s just what I think.
mmm... maybe that would have had to do on how strong or dependant the ties with europe would have been. Mass in that time was in Latin with no discussion available so... that would have been the strongest motive: the political ties with Rome.
@@Miolnir3 yeah, but a Japanese rite could have formed. Keep in mind that the Roman rite (while the largest) isn't the only rite in the Catholic Church. And even within the Roman rite, some orders operate differently.
I feel like the Japanese would have definitely reformed their orthography to be much simpler simply because this is a peasant revolt.
As is tradition with Japan (their tendency to borrow more than invent), I imagine they would either look to hangul and modify that or create an alphabet. Perhaps they continue to use a Syllabary but it's only one of the kanas and not both and kanji. I'm sure the peasants wouldn't keep kanji.
@@hollowhoagie6441 I think they would just use Katakana or borrow Hangul from Koreans.
@@mxyellowo hangul would have to be modified to work for Japanese since in Korean the syllables follow cvc where as Japanese syllables follow vcv or cv, and this is reflected in both writing systems. Japan could use just katakana, but they might wanna use spaces.
Also, I think that when japan builds its Railways, likely around the 1840s, they will adopt the 4ft 8.5in standard guage for trains, rather than the 3ft 6in Cape guage like in real life.
Richard The fox Can you explain what are the advantages to the 4ft compared to the 3ft?
You said it like an important detail but I dont know what affects of this railways would be care to elaborate
It would more effect how Japans railways would be like. More powerful locomotives for example. It probably wouldn’t be too significant to history, but it would Change Japan’s railways.
The rest of the world couldn't comorehend how wide that is
Standard gauge Shinkansen?
What if the pope sided with the Jesuits during the Chinese rites controversy resulting in the Jesuits being allowed to stay in the imperial court of the kangxi emperor
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The Chinese emperor Yongli converted to christianity. However, the Manchus claimed the entire china after his death in 1662.
I guess Chinese-rites-Catholicism would be the more dominant Christian denomination in China instead of Protestantism, which in our timeline was able to spread in China after the Opium War
Yeah but technically he's not a Christian.
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@@atomiclemonicstream3931 I don't understand? Are you saying the Mongols lost to Vietnam or something
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"What if Japan was Christian"
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He does mention the taiping rebellion soooooooo
@@jeffreyzheng8875 that guy he was a joke a very very bad one have you heard how he died it's hilarious
@@jeffreyzheng8875 Church : according to our council you're heretics i'm so sorry that you're not part of us
A video on a hypothetical scenario where the West became Buddhist might also be interesting... It could be where Ashoka the Great's Buddhist missionaries successfully converted ancient Greece into Buddhism, and the line followed with Ancient Rome, Italy, France, Germany and successively the entire west.
So there would be Buddhists, European paganism, Zoroastrians and native american creeds as the religions of this world?
Heck, this could actually be possible since the Greeks in northern India and central Asia, the descendants of Alexander's army and settlers, did in fact, convert to Buddhism and influenced the look and beliefs of Tibetan and Central Asian Buddhism as well
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@@savioblanc that's hinduism*
Buddhism came later.
There would never have been an Industrial Revolution in that timeline. Everyone with the time and resources to do research would spend it trying to think themselves out of the illusory mind-prison Buddhism says you are trapped in.
What if the Hellenistic regimes of the Middle East survived?
Now that would be interesting
@Metsarebuff 22 yes
Best way to accomplish this without totally eliminating Rome is to have the Macedonians or the Seleucids inflict a major defeat on the Romans at the time they started expanding in Greece (after the end of the Punic Wars ). There were some in Rome (especially Cato Maior ) who actually opposed this expansion, thinking that it could introduce Greek and Eastern values contrary to the traditional Roman morality (the "mos maiorum") and potentially dangerous to the Roman political system (they actually got it right on this in the long run ). You just need some major defeats like a Teutoburg in Greece and they'll succeed in convincing the whole Rome that it wasn't worth the price.
Leonardus Karolus Iulius Tantius I find this unlikely. Germania was not the same as Greece. It was not a recognized, respected, known civilization. A humiliation to Rome would’ve resulted in an even larger effort to conquer Greece. They wouldn’t have put up with that humiliation and even after Teutoburg, the Romans still got vengeance against the tribes with Germanicus.
Oh Hell yeah. Bactria time baby.
What if Tecumseh’s Native confederacy survived or any alternate history that results in a native tribe retaining its autonomy and land in the land area of the present United States.
Pecu Alex That could be a safer point of departure but it is possible that such a measure can be overturned due to the expansionism of the U.S. The British consistently tried establishing a region for native autonomy as a buffer against the U.S. so one more dramatic alternative is the British being in the position to do that like perhaps winning the War of 1812.
Tecumseh's Confederacy to the US would be what Quebec is today to modern Canada (a geopolitical liability).
You'd have to arrange for various accidents to befall all the racist genocidal settlers and US military.
Good idea
Sooner or later the US knocks it out
Why not just set the PoD 50 years earlier with the survival of Oda Nobunaga? He was notably close to unifying Japan and immensely interested in everything western, even keeping a Christian priest in his main castle as a guest. (IIRC)
I don't think that would work because there wouldn't be enough Christians at the time. The actual rebellion occurred in 1637
@Pecu Alex That is what I meant, it probably wouldn't even take very long, one of Nobunaga's sons was even baptized as a catholic.
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There were likely fewer Christians then than 50 years earlier.
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I actually suggested this in one of his previous videos. I cant remember which one though.
Edit: i changed that to this
I've been suggesting this in LITERALLY EVERY VIDEO.
What if the boxer rebellion succeeded?
What if the heavenly kingdom took over the Qing dynasty?
The Boxer Rebellion did not have any realistic chance of succeeding.
The western nations and Japan had far superior weapons at that point in history.
@@davidrosner6267 That doesn't answer his question tho.
@@arianas0714 Given the motives of the boxer rebellion, there really was no chance that the Western Powers + Japan wouldn't intervene. The boxers burned Christians and attempted to throw out any foreign power. You'd have to change the timeline a bit further back for this to have any chance of succeeding. Or maybe have China stand united in this cause of throwing out the foreigners but that would escalate into a China vs the World war.
@@madensmith7014 That's not the fucking point. That's why it's called WHAT IF. The Boxer Rebellion didn't not really have chance to succeed, but that's not the point.
@@internetarchive8706 Bro, I know the point, but it's really stupid to just have some magical answer to have the boxers winning and somehow have a plausible ending scenario if that's what you're looking for. The West would give up in China if some martial artists win? Hardly. The next waves of invasions would come over and over again until they're eradicated. Let's not add in the ongoing corruption and disunited warlords all over the place.
Which is why I recommended on changing further back back in history to give them a chance on winning, but if you were to do that, the timeline would have already changed drastically that you would have a whole lot of new factors to consider once the boxers did win.
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I think you overlooked an important difference between Buddhism and Catholicism: Buddhism is far less centralised and far less interested in ensuring religious orthodoxy. I don't think it's guaranteed that "Japanese Christianity" becomes some kind of heretical variant. There would probably be variant practices, but there's a good chance this spurs an attempt at internal reform.
Or maybe it becomes "Heretics" because something just like how Pope condemned Martin Luther as heretics maybe in this timeline Japanese Christianity will be more like Anglicanism in UK
Anyway it's just my opinion
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What if Leon Trotsky came to power in the Soviet Union instead of Joseph Stalin ?
World war 2 would likely have the russians as the baddies.
All true progressives wish this had happened.
Then the Soviets would face the logistical problems Wehrmacht faced in our timeline and nazi Germany with British and French support would defeat the Soviets and Hitler would achieve his dream of lebensraum.
@@nitishkumarjurel241 well one wonders if hitler would have come to power. It might be more likely with Trotsky funding communist governments in germany, the backlash might even be more severe. There is the possibility that funding socialist movements in france and britain might push them to a type of fascism too.
@@censorduck so what exactly are you suggesting?
Also, title can be: "When the Shimabara Rebels goes 4th Gate militarily and repeats the Sekigahara battle lines in crusader style early modern warfare"
A very japanese title, fitting of a Light Novel.
Portugal never lost its independence, it was “restored” after a shared king with Spain after a period called “the Iberian Union” were both kingdoms remained independent, two crowns, one king.
so a personal union?
@@correctionguy7632 Yap, where which kingdoms independence was assured by the Tomar Assembly's agreement. Laws, language, customs and currencies would remained separate, and no legal or nobility office would be occupied by another country's national and new taxes had to be approved by the portuguese nobility. Portugal never stopped being Portugal, nor Spain stopped being Spain for that matter (that's why the period is called Iberian Union). Everything ended precicly because Filipe III of Portugal (Filipe IV of Spain) decided to create a tax without the portuguese nobility's consent, so the portuguese nobility alleged independence was at stake, and repudiated the king, choosing another.
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Mahdi Afaneh empress of the Byzantine empire during the reign of Charlemagne. Their marriage could've United the East and West back together.
wait, Irene planned to marry off his son (the one she blinded a few years later) to one of charlmagne's daughters. she wasn't planning on marrying Charlemagne herself
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If Japan were more friendly with the west it could have been extremely possible that they would have adopted Latin alphabet for their language (It was even considered in Japan during 20th century, some event had the idea to make French their official language for some reason)
-some event had the idea to make French their official language for some reason
French support to the Ezo Republic, perhaps?
@@zerefsunlimitedshipworks that was in the 19th century
Why french?
That seems to hard for their tounge
@@InternetAddict069 Spanish would make more sense given that Spanish and Japanese have similar pronunciation
@@mr.nonentity3906 true Spanish the easiest language to pronounce
U know I'm just imagining cute Japanese Mormon girls going door to door saying " Mochi mochi have you heard of our lord and saviour, Iesu kirishito-sama "
Pretty sure they’d be catholic or some sort of Japanese subset of Catholicism though
As a Mormon... now I'm imagining it. Why do you do this to us.
They would be Catholic @Abhi Prakash
If that's were they would going for, there might be more converts than we have now. XD
uhm my protestant friends don't consider Mormons as christians. Same with Catholics because they don't believe in the Trinity
Thing is that Japan could have done this even if they didn't become catholics since it was actually really powerful and had it not gone into isolation for so long they could have become a Major world power capable of creating one of the largest non European empires of the era.
But the ruling class was not willing to undergo social reform to see this future come to pass but rather remaining stagnant for so much time which is funny because eventually those reforms came anyways once the Samurai class felt like their social structure was more a burden for them than anything else.
I actually really liked this one. Thanks for the video looking forward to more
What if the Soviet Union never invaded Afghanistan ?
Cody from Alternate History Hub has done a good video on that topic
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Japan would be called "Cipangu" then.
mmmm... I don't know... maybe at the beginning only?
Kirishitan Japan
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Okay, but hear me out... Samurai crusaders
On a more serious note, as a Christian, I think that belief in a benevolent God and the promise of an afterlife, would do wonders for the mental/social health of modern Japan. Modern Japan has massive suicide rates, miniscule birth rates, low rates of marriage, and terrible mental health for most people under 40. I think that Christianity could solve all of those problems and more, if they'd give it a chance. I also think that if some evangelistic association sent a couple thousand missionaries to Japan, you'd see a lot of conversions. There seems to be millions of young, depressed, hopeless feeling people in Japan, wondering if they were meant to just work, survive and die alone, and I think Jesus would bring light into their lives.
Look at South Korea. It could be said that it is now a Christian country, if you count Protestants and Catholics together.
Title: Japan
Thumbnail: china
Did you even see the video fully
Correction: Thumbnail contains both Japan and China, highlighting their spheres of influence.
I did not even notice that. Yep, the thumbnail is china not Japan.
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@@takashi.mizuiro the crucifixion symbol is in china not Japan. Look at the map closely.
8:20 I mean, that's precisely the situation the Roman Emperors were in when Constantine legalized Christianity, they also were considered descendents of God, but couldn't anymore due to the trinity. My guess is that the idea of what an Emperor is would develop in a similar manner as it did in the West, with the Emperor not being a literal God but his first representative on Earth which would align with the term Tenoh. This would most likely cause issues with the Pope though and at some point an informal schism similar to the Anglican Church would occur, where the Japanese keep most of the Catholic traditions they accumulated over the years, but view the Emperor as both, as head of the state and head of the religious cult. They might even develop an own line of apostolic succession where legitimately anointed Catholic bishops would continue to anoit other bishops, but under the umbrella of the Emperor. Since the Pope would be too far away, he wouldn't be able to intervene the same way he could in Western Europe.
You should read the journey of the 3 Japanese samurai who went to Rome they’re the first Asian to step foot in rule they were send there by nobo naga the purpose was to see the pope and bring him something in the future to Japan they made it back to Japan but nobonaga was dead back then that’s why Japan didn’t became Christian they won’t change the church rules or anything Catholic don’t change rules Christian are loyal I mean they were Catholic 200 ago in China before the first ones visited Japan today you will still see them in China they haven’t changed any rules
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What if United 93 reached its target on September 11, 2001 ?
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easy justification for the emperor: Japanese Pope
Brutally wrong and racist
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@@australiananarchist480 Still incorrect and racist mr. Isaah James
@@makhdias6907 incorrect I can understand, but how is it racist?
@@australiananarchist480 Grossly oversimplifies and minconstrues a complex and long lasting culture e.g. the japanese.
8:15 - Well, the Bible DOES say that sovereigns were divinely appointed by God, so that alone should be justification. And with political pressures, it would only be a question of time before the Imperial Family properly converts. The Japanese could claim his family are descended from the union of an Angel and a Human that survived the Great Flood in order to preserve the explicitly Divine origins of the Imperial Family, without going all the way to being the son of Jesus.
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An anime version of the book of the Revelation would be incredible! All the creatures and fighting and plagues and then at the end Christ himself comes and lays the smackdown on anyone in anything against Him.
We were at the verge of greatness, we were this close...
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@@Blackmage4001 I mean a Christian Japan would have been cool
@@casteddu6740 how??? Japan is what it is today because of xhinto and buddism.
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A Christian Japan would have sent missionaries to other parts of the world, this would have also caused a lot of conflicts with the other Christian powers.
I dont think so, they're main goal would probably focus on China or Vietnam
No, the best case scenario is west of north America, they probably will have close ties with portuguese, and a powerful rival with Spain, so they wouldn't mess around in south and central America...
Damn they'd be our Catholic homies like the Irish.
Please do a What if The French Revolution never happened video.
Event that created the modern world
Modern world wouldnt exist
He has already discussed this topic in the video "What if France won the 7 years war?"
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Wait so in the timeline where the ty ping are a bunch of crazy fanatics what happened to the Japanese empire in world war one I’d assume they would still have designs on Siberia so maybe without the Chinese functioning as a threat to their power they would join the Central Powers
Our anime and manga wouldn't have existed the way we have it today but in the other hand Japanese Churches would have cute anime girls as the icons
There wouldn't be anime since Japan would be on the level of development and wealth as the Philippines or other SEA countries.
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Japan would probably have developed faster since the main thing holding them back was the self enforced isolation. If this scenario worked out they would easily have been as developed as the major European nations.
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You should make non fictional history videos and just explain it because your really good at it
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In other words, one of my best EUIV achievement runs.
This scenario would work better if not Portugal, but Spain discover Japan
Spain would more active support the Japanese Christians
and more chaotic situation after Japanese civil war could make the Christians the dominant power
special with Spanish weapons
Actually the Spanish were present in Japan. They made their way from what is today Mexico.
It was largely those interactions the Japanese had with the Portuguese and Spanish that drove Japan to self isolate itself from most westerners for over 200 years.
ive been waiting for this video lmao
I could see European influence being a plausible way of helping the Christian rebellion
By the what about WW1 still happening (not just this video, but all of your videos that go into the 1900's mention ww1 still happens? )
I kind of doubt japan would create a new church soon after just barely adopting Catholicism, especially since Japanese Catholics IRL are very staunch conservatives and traditionalists
Awesome as always
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What if the Roman Empire converted to Buddhism instead of Christianity?
I wouldn't be an Empire.
@@Miolnir3 *The Romans fell socially and politically because of Christianity* , and *the Mongols fell* (in Central Asia and the Middle East) fell as soon *as they left Buddhism.* You might have to rethink what Middle Eastern personality cults do to empires that they depend completely on for "legitimacy".
@Le Huy-Anh So you will not be convinced by the current accord by historians and antropologists stating that it was actually centuries of acumulated financial, military and political failures and bureaucratic corruption WAY BEFORE the christians started to get preeminece in the Roman Empire. Have it your way, it won't change the evidence.
How exactly would/could that happen?
Greek City states in Bactria did exactly that
*”The year was 1637 and could scientifically be described as a shithole”*
Yea seems about right...
Been waiting for this. Thanks man
What if the U.S. won the Vietnam War remake ?
Nearly happened, the us drawn up plans to nuke a portion of vietnam essentially cutting of north and south vietnam from eachother making the border impassible for many years, nearly happaned but it rejected, it was called operation fracture jaw, it would of been a poltical disaster but it would of won the vietnam war. Edit, well it wasent exactly the plan i stated but the end result would of been the same, use nukes to sever supply infastructure
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After that,
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The US would need to invade North Vietnam proper
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It's interesting how with Japan also being Christian, China could have become Christian as well
A man can dream ✝️
Well, a spanish plan to conquer China was proposed to king Phillip II of Spain when he was the "Planet King" (both Spain and Portugal were under his crown for a time)... but he turn it down becase he said that part of the world fell under the portuguese side of the tordesillas treaty and wanted to respect his portuguese subjects economic interests over their spanish counterparts if they ever claim the soil , but they didn't attempt to do so either. Yet the only thing the spanish "conquered" was the chinese monetary system with the silver coins they brought from the american continent. Up until 1911 there were around 400 to 500 million spanish coins still in use to trade in China.
@@Miolnir3 interesting
Though I do understand your reasons, I do miss seeing your beautiful face, Althist
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Hey! I've seen you mention Drill in a bunch of videos. Are we talking about military drills, as in excercises? Aren't those standard in military training since I dunno, forever? I'm ignorant help.
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What if new Mexico became independent during the chipamayo revolution
Texas might fight New Mexico and win.
@@zerefsunlimitedshipworks I don't know Texas did invade Mexico in the past several times and got defeated most of time
Can you do a what if the valkyrie plot succeeded
What if charlemagne and princess irene was married and united the byzantine empire and frankish empire, next!
Roman Empire 2.0?
No degenerate henati atleast.
No No. Hentai would still most likely still exist
この興味深いビデオを、ぜひ日本語に翻訳してください。日本人のほとんどは英語がわかりません。
The subtitle are doing there own thing
6:04 This event is know in Portugal as The Restoration of the Independence and the war fouling this event is The Restoration War. I don't know if in English is that the name but is more accurate calling this name because Portugal was independent before, it just lose it in 1580 to regain it in 1640, so if 1637 was the year of revolution, help from Portugal would be absolutely impossible
A very interesting alternate history if Japan would have converted to Christianity. This small change would have changed the history of the far east drastically. Maybe in a good way but also a bad way.
How funny it would if a Christian Japan decided to go on a crusade against the Soviet Union, but with the United States convinced to pitch in?
Big question would be in this timeline, would Japan, and maybe China, adopt the Latin script? Especially with Japan essentially starting off as a theocracy, the early Japanese church would most likely operate very much like the Catholic Church at the time- therefore I could imagine the ministry being near entirely in Latin. Plus, you know, revolutionaries being revolutionary.
I think it depends on how the Roman catholic church handles the situation. If they act fast and efficiently supplying Japan with intelligent priests and writing institutions then Latin could be use for the beginning. Odds are however that a native Japanese script will eventually overtake it anyway.
Super interesting. Would like to see what if the Spanish Hapsburgs were able to integrate Portugal and their colonies into their empire and both the Dutch and the British were not able to seize Portuguese colonies.
Another alternate history. What if Isabella from Castile would have married the Portuguese prince instead of Ferdinand of Aragon?
Interesting take on it but it there could probably be a transition from seeing the emperor as himself divine to being chosen by God to rule. The divine right of kings was well established in Europe and had similar results of holding special reverence for royalty as calling the king a god
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I know this video is old, but if you see this by any chance, I’d be very much interested in hearing why WW1 would still happen. I‘d like to know if it’s for the same reasons I’m thinking.
What if the Western Interior Seaway didn't disappear?
This would all happen after Seven Samurai, Kagemusha, Ran and Rashomon. I have no objection.
My only major criticism of this scenario, is that i don't think that Japan would have kicked the Spanish out of the Philippines, or at least they would not have been able to in a single war. They likely would have imposed heavy penalties on the Spanish, perhaps forcing all Spanish ships to dock and pay taxes in Formosa or possibly take Manila and part or all of Luzon. More over it would have been too costly militarily and not worth it economically to try and kick the Spanish out of the whole archipelago. Its quite possible that they may have eventually pushed the Spanish completely out of the Philippines, but It would almost certainly taken at least the better part of a century to complete, and it may have been in Japans interested to leave a weak Spanish presence on the islands.
Oh and as always China would always be the elephant in the room consuming the majority of Japans foreign policy bandwidth.
Crusader Shoguns: A concept none of us would be ready for.
Bring back pls face came in my opinion it was right move in the right direction and it gave you a lot of more personality on your UA-cam channel.
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He finally made it
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That's interesting and all, but there's still one question: Would anime exist in this timeline?
Makes a video on what if Japan became Christian in 1637..
SHOWS MAP OF MING CHINA WITH CROSS ON IT.
EDIT: Your map shows Portugal as an independent country, but it was part of the Iberian Union in 1637. This dissolved soon after in 1640, with the Portuguese rebellion and restoration of their monarchy.
HistorywithNathe Maybe watch the video? He addresses both of these.
@@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 I did, and although he stated that the Portuguese were fighting for their independence, he still inaccurately depicted Portugal as separate from Spain 3 years early. 1637 is not the same as 1640.
HistorywithNathe But involvement with Portugal wouldn’t necessarily start in 1637, would it?
@@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 Nope, it started in 1580.
HistorywithNathe But he’s specifying for this timeline.
Finally I can drink a cup of joe and enjoy a radical alternative history. Much thanks
Considering that in our timeline, Post-Meiji Japan went for Korea and China long before turning to Southeast Asia, I don’t believe that Japan would be intimidated by China’s size and would attack. Remember also that the Imjin Wars would be a strong memory and the only reason that Japan lost those was (1) the strong Joseon-Ming Alliance, which was much stronger than the Joseon-Qing Alliance and (2) Yi Sunsin’s expert command of the Korean Navy which prevented over 3/4 of the Japanese Army from making a successful landfall. With both of these out of the way, a Japanese invasion of Korea is far more likely than a Japanese-Spanish War in the Philippines or Vietnam.
The Japanese were already operating in South East Asia
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And those were disproportionately merchants and mercenaries. If like WhatifAltHists said Merchants become supreme in this society, ten the Japanese merchants and mercenaries of SouthEast Asia could drag Japanese interest there.
Also, the Imjin war could just as easily innoculate the Japanese against seeing an expansion into Korea and China as viable. And the war was in the first place driven by an overbloated warrior class and person ambitions of the Emperor. A sort of revolution like that won't create an overbloated warrior class.
I love these pararel history timelines based on facts and fantasies
Japan would have become a major power in Far East Asia, that could have caused a lot of problems for the European powers.
LMAO, no.
Japan would of been colonized and it would be a third world backwater today. Practically every indigenous society outside of Europe that converted to an abrahmic religion fell victim to colonialism and today is an impoverished backwater. There's no reason to assume Japan would be an exception to this.
Japan is different, it managed to industrialize in a matter of 30 years, after the Western powers forced unequal treaties on the country.
@@mark12strang58 Japan had at the time of the meiji restoration one of the highest literacy rates in the world, and a large amount of wealth it built up domestically. Which is what enabled it to catch up so quickly.
Not only that the Spanish and Portuguese are not the Americans, British and French. The formers are far more predatorial than the laters. And they would capitalize on the greater influence they would have in Japan domestically if that religion made greater inroads in Japan
At the end of the 16th century its military was as good as the armies of European powers .
@Apu Apustaja There's literally nothing to hint that Japan would of been an exception to being on the receiving end of colonialism if it became Christian in a time period where any non European society that became Christian ended up being colonized. Absolutely nothing outside of modern weeb wignat daydreams. Unless you can demonstate to me otherwise why Japan would just be an exception to this, there's nothing more to talk about.