What if Japan became Christian in 1637?

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  • @RedOblivion7
    @RedOblivion7 4 роки тому +1113

    The Spanish would not declare the Japanese heretics.
    Remember, the Spanish are the same people who allowed much of the rituals and practices of indigenous Mesoamericans and Andeans to persist as Catholic ceremonies. Sure most of it was cosmetic, but if the Japanese declared themselves Catholic (even with a few changes) they would not consider going to war like that.
    What would be more likely is a Cold War-esque scenario where the two vie for dominance of the Northern Pacific ocean with Spain attempting to proselytize on the Japanese home islands fiercely while the Japanese would attempt to contain the Spanish in the Philippines.
    Also, side note, after WW2 a lot of Catholic priests visited Japan in order to reconnect with the underground Catholic Church. They noted that despite not being in contact with the Vatican for centuries, there was remarkably little drift in the beliefs of Japanese Catholicism and the Vatican during that time. Just food for thought.

    • @JP-rf8rr
      @JP-rf8rr 4 роки тому +140

      I think it depends, if the changes were simply cosmetic and linguistic then you're right. However, if they tried to add the emperor to the trinity like this vid suggests then the Latin church wouldn't hesitate to declare them heretics. However, I doubt they would do something that extreme. Even the uneducated Christian peasants wouldn't associate the face of the government which persecuted them with their God.
      I think he's right they'd let him live in fear of retaliation, but probably as a hostage or just simply exile him.

    • @diegonatan6301
      @diegonatan6301 4 роки тому +94

      @@JP-rf8rr yeah, but the video fails to take into account two things: first that Catholicism doesn't allow doctrine change, the Catholic Church allow some type of liberty in practice, but not in doctrine, second, if the Japanese are Catholic there would be local bishops and priests that would be able to maintain Japan more linked with the Pope.
      The Emperor Question could be solved by marrying the Shogun with the Empress, remember that at the time Japan had an Empress not an Emperor, if she doesn't convert to Catholicism then marrying another princess of the imperial family and declaring her the new empress would do the trick, as the son of the couple could inherit from both, that way the shogun and the emperor could be the same person.

    • @JP-rf8rr
      @JP-rf8rr 4 роки тому +39

      @@diegonatan6301
      But keep in mind that unless the Portuguese or Spaniard play a role in this uprising then odds are this church would be Japanese led and would answer to Japanese spiritual leaders first, unless perhaps the catholic church is quick to act and integrates priests immediately.

    • @madmarvshighwaywarrior2870
      @madmarvshighwaywarrior2870 4 роки тому +5

      Makes good sense, it s just in the video, Japan just wanted an excuse to invade neighboring countries.

    • @RedOblivion7
      @RedOblivion7 4 роки тому +8

      Said Japanese spiritual leaders would be Catholic, otherwise why would the revolt even be a thing?

  • @Marethyu1918
    @Marethyu1918 4 роки тому +908

    JAPANESE SAMURAI CRUSADES
    DESU VULT

  • @AureliusLaurentius1099
    @AureliusLaurentius1099 4 роки тому +921

    Then we would see the Bible being turned to an anime series which I would watch considering the Old Testament has wacky stuff

    • @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
      @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 4 роки тому +51

      King Henry VIII Tudor Stfu King Henry! Don’t you have like a 50th wife to be banging? Smhmyhead, faithless dog...

    • @hanselsihotang
      @hanselsihotang 4 роки тому +82

      The Old Testament's Book of Judge especially contains a lot of badass and ridiculous stories (i.e Samson, Ehud, othniel, etc).
      Honestly not too far fetched to be adapted to Anime.

    • @efxnews4776
      @efxnews4776 4 роки тому +50

      We will probably see Paradise Lost and Divine Comedy, insted of DBZ and Naruto...

    • @AureliusLaurentius1099
      @AureliusLaurentius1099 4 роки тому +18

      @@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
      Go back to your city Constantine! Oh wait! It doesnt exist anymore!

    • @mike-0451
      @mike-0451 4 роки тому +29

      And the New Testament has some really amazing stories

  • @CountArtha
    @CountArtha 3 роки тому +109

    I totally did this in EU4. Started as the Shimazu clan and conquered the whole island of Kyushu. When the first Christian rebels spawned, I thought "Ah, why the heck not" and let them occupy every single province and convert it.

    • @venomlink2033
      @venomlink2033 2 роки тому +20

      I did a Protestant, Peasant Republic Japan run not too long ago. Let’s just say China had a bad time.

  • @Mark-xh8md
    @Mark-xh8md 4 роки тому +468

    More likely they would adopt a modified Western view: That the Emperor was God's anointed, as a figurehead to rally the people behind and protector of the Church, who should maintain power. That way, they keep the Emperor (as a puppet), AND keep their power at the same time.

    • @casuallatecomer7597
      @casuallatecomer7597 4 роки тому +86

      I mean they could just give him the "divine right of kings" treatment and just roll with it, surprised he didn't mention that.

    • @efxnews4776
      @efxnews4776 4 роки тому +16

      Like the Orthodox Church on Russia...

    • @yonathanrakau1783
      @yonathanrakau1783 4 роки тому +7

      Yeah this would just end like HRE but not a clusterfuck

    • @danshakuimo
      @danshakuimo 4 роки тому +18

      @@casuallatecomer7597 I don't think its that hard to demote the emperor from being a god to a representative of God with a divine right to rule.

    • @forickgrimaldus8301
      @forickgrimaldus8301 4 роки тому +11

      The catch would likely be is that unlike the Kings of Europe, A Christian Japaness Emperor would likely be viewed as an Equal to Jesus as in his Vessel in Earth.
      He would be also a Puppet like in our timeline.

  • @ragael1024
    @ragael1024 3 роки тому +130

    "The year was 1637, and the world could be scientifically described as a shithole." oh yes, i love when ppl use scientific terminology to describe stuff.

    • @karenk2409
      @karenk2409 Рік тому

      Eye roll here. Define "shithole." It depends on where you sit. And very few were trying to define the world scientifically at that time. Some European powers were, however, developing the technologies of navigation, astronomy, and warfare that allowed them to circumnavigate the globe across vast oceans. BIG.

  • @Victor-kt6qn
    @Victor-kt6qn 4 роки тому +275

    "What if Japan was Christian"
    *Proceeds to show China as Christian in thumbnail*

    • @jeffreyzheng8875
      @jeffreyzheng8875 3 роки тому +26

      Hong Xiuquan: Am I a joke to you?

    • @ronin2387
      @ronin2387 3 роки тому +19

      He does mention the taiping rebellion soooooooo

    • @spartanx9293
      @spartanx9293 2 роки тому +3

      @@jeffreyzheng8875 that guy he was a joke a very very bad one have you heard how he died it's hilarious

    • @aditya5474
      @aditya5474 Рік тому

      @@jeffreyzheng8875 Church : according to our council you're heretics i'm so sorry that you're not part of us

  • @asterixs259
    @asterixs259 4 роки тому +642

    Japan invading all of Asia: *"I have the power of God and anime on my side"*

    • @nhienleminhhue6605
      @nhienleminhhue6605 4 роки тому +22

      Vietnam: we have trees, experience fighting foreign invaders and our ancesters with us but the most importantly wr have trees

    • @XCutie782
      @XCutie782 3 роки тому +15

      @@nhienleminhhue6605 Vietnam lost to Japan

    • @atomiclemonicstream3931
      @atomiclemonicstream3931 3 роки тому +4

      @@XCutie782
      ...:*Not if I have any thing to say about it and I do.
      The mongels:*IM GONNA SAY THE F WORD

    • @XCutie782
      @XCutie782 3 роки тому +3

      @@atomiclemonicstream3931 I don't understand? Are you saying the Mongols lost to Vietnam or something

    • @atomiclemonicstream3931
      @atomiclemonicstream3931 3 роки тому +1

      @@XCutie782 there the Russia of Asia bides India

  • @chidoman1595
    @chidoman1595 4 роки тому +297

    Imagine the suprise on the Saracen's faces when they see an army of christian ninjas naruto running up the walls of Jerusalem

  • @osaka4615
    @osaka4615 4 роки тому +422

    I feel like the Japanese would’ve fully adopted a modified Latin alphabet in some way, especially since the Japanese Christians were Catholics. I could be wrong, ofc, but that’s just what I think.

    • @Miolnir3
      @Miolnir3 4 роки тому +29

      mmm... maybe that would have had to do on how strong or dependant the ties with europe would have been. Mass in that time was in Latin with no discussion available so... that would have been the strongest motive: the political ties with Rome.

    • @MPHJackson7
      @MPHJackson7 4 роки тому +54

      @@Miolnir3 yeah, but a Japanese rite could have formed. Keep in mind that the Roman rite (while the largest) isn't the only rite in the Catholic Church. And even within the Roman rite, some orders operate differently.

    • @hollowhoagie6441
      @hollowhoagie6441 4 роки тому +56

      I feel like the Japanese would have definitely reformed their orthography to be much simpler simply because this is a peasant revolt.
      As is tradition with Japan (their tendency to borrow more than invent), I imagine they would either look to hangul and modify that or create an alphabet. Perhaps they continue to use a Syllabary but it's only one of the kanas and not both and kanji. I'm sure the peasants wouldn't keep kanji.

    • @mxyellowo
      @mxyellowo 4 роки тому +12

      @@hollowhoagie6441 I think they would just use Katakana or borrow Hangul from Koreans.

    • @hollowhoagie6441
      @hollowhoagie6441 4 роки тому +10

      @@mxyellowo hangul would have to be modified to work for Japanese since in Korean the syllables follow cvc where as Japanese syllables follow vcv or cv, and this is reflected in both writing systems. Japan could use just katakana, but they might wanna use spaces.

  • @nooneimportant834
    @nooneimportant834 4 роки тому +1213

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    • @Live-qf2lg
      @Live-qf2lg 4 роки тому +175

      It was me
      I was the turkey all along!

    • @dinoman6123
      @dinoman6123 4 роки тому +19

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    • @5amH45lam
      @5amH45lam 4 роки тому +20

      ah, right, cos, in the words of _Shaggy..._
      _'It wasn't me'_

    • @Nateb143
      @Nateb143 4 роки тому +8

      I actually suggested this in one of his previous videos. I cant remember which one though.
      Edit: i changed that to this

    • @sauron7839
      @sauron7839 4 роки тому +264

      I've been suggesting this in LITERALLY EVERY VIDEO.

  • @kalanaherath3076
    @kalanaherath3076 4 роки тому +191

    A video on a hypothetical scenario where the West became Buddhist might also be interesting... It could be where Ashoka the Great's Buddhist missionaries successfully converted ancient Greece into Buddhism, and the line followed with Ancient Rome, Italy, France, Germany and successively the entire west.

    • @benjaminjackboot6409
      @benjaminjackboot6409 4 роки тому +30

      So there would be Buddhists, European paganism, Zoroastrians and native american creeds as the religions of this world?

    • @savioblanc
      @savioblanc 3 роки тому +21

      Heck, this could actually be possible since the Greeks in northern India and central Asia, the descendants of Alexander's army and settlers, did in fact, convert to Buddhism and influenced the look and beliefs of Tibetan and Central Asian Buddhism as well

    • @harshjain3122
      @harshjain3122 3 роки тому +4

      @@benjaminjackboot6409 polytheistic fam letzzz gooooo

    • @harshjain3122
      @harshjain3122 3 роки тому +6

      @@savioblanc that's hinduism*
      Buddhism came later.

    • @oscarsmith9950
      @oscarsmith9950 2 роки тому +2

      There would never have been an Industrial Revolution in that timeline. Everyone with the time and resources to do research would spend it trying to think themselves out of the illusory mind-prison Buddhism says you are trapped in.

  • @richardthefox3412
    @richardthefox3412 4 роки тому +175

    Also, I think that when japan builds its Railways, likely around the 1840s, they will adopt the 4ft 8.5in standard guage for trains, rather than the 3ft 6in Cape guage like in real life.

    • @Skyline_r3496
      @Skyline_r3496 4 роки тому +1

      Richard The fox Can you explain what are the advantages to the 4ft compared to the 3ft?

    • @melchid8448
      @melchid8448 4 роки тому +2

      You said it like an important detail but I dont know what affects of this railways would be care to elaborate

    • @richardthefox3412
      @richardthefox3412 4 роки тому +16

      It would more effect how Japans railways would be like. More powerful locomotives for example. It probably wouldn’t be too significant to history, but it would Change Japan’s railways.

    • @AlexS-oj8qf
      @AlexS-oj8qf 4 роки тому +1

      The rest of the world couldn't comorehend how wide that is

    • @NoTraceOfSense
      @NoTraceOfSense 3 роки тому +1

      Standard gauge Shinkansen?

  • @sauron7839
    @sauron7839 4 роки тому +178

    I CAN FINALLY REST AND WATCH THE SUN RISE OVER A GRATEFUL COMMENT SECTION.
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    • @TheWazzoGames
      @TheWazzoGames 4 роки тому +18

      Mark Freeman you did it. Vegeta doesn't need to sulk in the rain anymore. 🤣

    • @447GHT
      @447GHT 4 роки тому +16

      You, sir, are a legend

    • @aetu35
      @aetu35 4 роки тому +15

      A man shall walk down the roads the legend walked on. I shall push to have a video where the Hellenistic regimes of the Middle East survives.
      Thanks for being my inspiration. You truly are a living legend.

    • @JP-rf8rr
      @JP-rf8rr 4 роки тому +12

      You did good my man.

    • @sauron7839
      @sauron7839 4 роки тому +9

      PruCo I shall take up your cause. It is truly a worthy one.

  • @hectormedrano4117
    @hectormedrano4117 4 роки тому +255

    What if Tecumseh’s Native confederacy survived or any alternate history that results in a native tribe retaining its autonomy and land in the land area of the present United States.

    • @hectormedrano4117
      @hectormedrano4117 4 роки тому +12

      Pecu Alex That could be a safer point of departure but it is possible that such a measure can be overturned due to the expansionism of the U.S. The British consistently tried establishing a region for native autonomy as a buffer against the U.S. so one more dramatic alternative is the British being in the position to do that like perhaps winning the War of 1812.

    • @kevinclass2010
      @kevinclass2010 4 роки тому +12

      Tecumseh's Confederacy to the US would be what Quebec is today to modern Canada (a geopolitical liability).

    • @Elyseon
      @Elyseon 4 роки тому

      You'd have to arrange for various accidents to befall all the racist genocidal settlers and US military.

    • @IN-eb3lm
      @IN-eb3lm 3 роки тому +1

      Good idea

    • @spartanx9293
      @spartanx9293 2 роки тому

      Sooner or later the US knocks it out

  • @mt0881
    @mt0881 4 роки тому +292

    What if the pope sided with the Jesuits during the Chinese rites controversy resulting in the Jesuits being allowed to stay in the imperial court of the kangxi emperor

    • @augustinefaithdefender
      @augustinefaithdefender 4 роки тому +22

      matthew thomson I dont remember the name of that Pope but he was so deserved hell fire!

    • @hoyintse2454
      @hoyintse2454 4 роки тому +7

      The Chinese emperor Yongli converted to christianity. However, the Manchus claimed the entire china after his death in 1662.

    • @joshuawan7004
      @joshuawan7004 4 роки тому +13

      I guess Chinese-rites-Catholicism would be the more dominant Christian denomination in China instead of Protestantism, which in our timeline was able to spread in China after the Opium War

    • @TRUTHISABSOLUTE777
      @TRUTHISABSOLUTE777 4 роки тому +1

      Yeah but technically he's not a Christian.

  • @ofthecaribbean
    @ofthecaribbean 4 роки тому +1759

    *(≧▽≦)DEUS VULT ONII-CHAN*

  • @almostincredible146
    @almostincredible146 4 роки тому +90

    Why not just set the PoD 50 years earlier with the survival of Oda Nobunaga? He was notably close to unifying Japan and immensely interested in everything western, even keeping a Christian priest in his main castle as a guest. (IIRC)

    • @muhammadalfatih2640
      @muhammadalfatih2640 4 роки тому +8

      I don't think that would work because there wouldn't be enough Christians at the time. The actual rebellion occurred in 1637

    • @almostincredible146
      @almostincredible146 4 роки тому +14

      @Pecu Alex That is what I meant, it probably wouldn't even take very long, one of Nobunaga's sons was even baptized as a catholic.

    • @alanpennie8013
      @alanpennie8013 3 роки тому +1

      @@muhammadalfatih2640
      There were likely fewer Christians then than 50 years earlier.

    • @stormstaunch6692
      @stormstaunch6692 2 роки тому

      @AlmostIncredible How dare you comment how dare you on Atun Shei’s videos?

  • @jabalimokaya924
    @jabalimokaya924 4 роки тому +291

    What if the boxer rebellion succeeded?
    What if the heavenly kingdom took over the Qing dynasty?

    • @davidrosner6267
      @davidrosner6267 4 роки тому +33

      The Boxer Rebellion did not have any realistic chance of succeeding.
      The western nations and Japan had far superior weapons at that point in history.

    • @arianas0714
      @arianas0714 4 роки тому +18

      @@davidrosner6267 That doesn't answer his question tho.

    • @madensmith7014
      @madensmith7014 4 роки тому +21

      @@arianas0714 Given the motives of the boxer rebellion, there really was no chance that the Western Powers + Japan wouldn't intervene. The boxers burned Christians and attempted to throw out any foreign power. You'd have to change the timeline a bit further back for this to have any chance of succeeding. Or maybe have China stand united in this cause of throwing out the foreigners but that would escalate into a China vs the World war.

    • @internetarchive8706
      @internetarchive8706 4 роки тому +4

      @@madensmith7014 That's not the fucking point. That's why it's called WHAT IF. The Boxer Rebellion didn't not really have chance to succeed, but that's not the point.

    • @madensmith7014
      @madensmith7014 4 роки тому +7

      @@internetarchive8706 Bro, I know the point, but it's really stupid to just have some magical answer to have the boxers winning and somehow have a plausible ending scenario if that's what you're looking for. The West would give up in China if some martial artists win? Hardly. The next waves of invasions would come over and over again until they're eradicated. Let's not add in the ongoing corruption and disunited warlords all over the place.
      Which is why I recommended on changing further back back in history to give them a chance on winning, but if you were to do that, the timeline would have already changed drastically that you would have a whole lot of new factors to consider once the boxers did win.
      Oh you want an actual answer instead of this lecture on how to get to that answer? Well tough luck, you're not getting it from me.

  • @aetu35
    @aetu35 4 роки тому +133

    What if the Hellenistic regimes of the Middle East survived?

    • @MJayzStudio
      @MJayzStudio 4 роки тому +15

      Now that would be interesting

    • @aetu35
      @aetu35 4 роки тому +5

      @Metsarebuff 22 yes

    • @leonarduskarolusiuliustant7498
      @leonarduskarolusiuliustant7498 4 роки тому +17

      Best way to accomplish this without totally eliminating Rome is to have the Macedonians or the Seleucids inflict a major defeat on the Romans at the time they started expanding in Greece (after the end of the Punic Wars ). There were some in Rome (especially Cato Maior ) who actually opposed this expansion, thinking that it could introduce Greek and Eastern values contrary to the traditional Roman morality (the "mos maiorum") and potentially dangerous to the Roman political system (they actually got it right on this in the long run ). You just need some major defeats like a Teutoburg in Greece and they'll succeed in convincing the whole Rome that it wasn't worth the price.

    • @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
      @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 4 роки тому

      Leonardus Karolus Iulius Tantius I find this unlikely. Germania was not the same as Greece. It was not a recognized, respected, known civilization. A humiliation to Rome would’ve resulted in an even larger effort to conquer Greece. They wouldn’t have put up with that humiliation and even after Teutoburg, the Romans still got vengeance against the tribes with Germanicus.

    • @gododoof
      @gododoof 4 роки тому +3

      Oh Hell yeah. Bactria time baby.

  • @CantusTropus
    @CantusTropus 3 роки тому +42

    I think you overlooked an important difference between Buddhism and Catholicism: Buddhism is far less centralised and far less interested in ensuring religious orthodoxy. I don't think it's guaranteed that "Japanese Christianity" becomes some kind of heretical variant. There would probably be variant practices, but there's a good chance this spurs an attempt at internal reform.

    • @aditya5474
      @aditya5474 Рік тому

      Or maybe it becomes "Heretics" because something just like how Pope condemned Martin Luther as heretics maybe in this timeline Japanese Christianity will be more like Anglicanism in UK
      Anyway it's just my opinion

  • @alextheflagguy4032
    @alextheflagguy4032 4 роки тому +345

    What if Leon Trotsky came to power in the Soviet Union instead of Joseph Stalin ?

    • @censorduck
      @censorduck 4 роки тому +53

      World war 2 would likely have the russians as the baddies.

    • @AfroAsiaticLanguages
      @AfroAsiaticLanguages 4 роки тому +13

      All true progressives wish this had happened.

    • @nitishkumarjurel241
      @nitishkumarjurel241 4 роки тому +39

      Then the Soviets would face the logistical problems Wehrmacht faced in our timeline and nazi Germany with British and French support would defeat the Soviets and Hitler would achieve his dream of lebensraum.

    • @censorduck
      @censorduck 4 роки тому +40

      @@nitishkumarjurel241 well one wonders if hitler would have come to power. It might be more likely with Trotsky funding communist governments in germany, the backlash might even be more severe. There is the possibility that funding socialist movements in france and britain might push them to a type of fascism too.

    • @nitishkumarjurel241
      @nitishkumarjurel241 4 роки тому

      @@censorduck so what exactly are you suggesting?

  • @shinsenshogun900
    @shinsenshogun900 4 роки тому +62

    Also, title can be: "When the Shimabara Rebels goes 4th Gate militarily and repeats the Sekigahara battle lines in crusader style early modern warfare"

    • @MyVanir
      @MyVanir 4 роки тому +4

      A very japanese title, fitting of a Light Novel.

  • @Tusiriakest
    @Tusiriakest 4 роки тому +26

    Portugal never lost its independence, it was “restored” after a shared king with Spain after a period called “the Iberian Union” were both kingdoms remained independent, two crowns, one king.

    • @correctionguy7632
      @correctionguy7632 4 роки тому +1

      so a personal union?

    • @Tusiriakest
      @Tusiriakest 4 роки тому +5

      @@correctionguy7632 Yap, where which kingdoms independence was assured by the Tomar Assembly's agreement. Laws, language, customs and currencies would remained separate, and no legal or nobility office would be occupied by another country's national and new taxes had to be approved by the portuguese nobility. Portugal never stopped being Portugal, nor Spain stopped being Spain for that matter (that's why the period is called Iberian Union). Everything ended precicly because Filipe III of Portugal (Filipe IV of Spain) decided to create a tax without the portuguese nobility's consent, so the portuguese nobility alleged independence was at stake, and repudiated the king, choosing another.

  • @mynamemeanslovepleasereadc6806
    @mynamemeanslovepleasereadc6806 3 роки тому +45

    Without loving action any faith is dead, useless. Matthew 7, if you do like the good Samaritan, then at least you're exercising some faith in love, God. Luke 10

    • @liliakachildofgod364
      @liliakachildofgod364 3 роки тому +5

      I think you meant to say the first verse was James 2:17.

    • @highgrounder
      @highgrounder 3 роки тому +5

      Wow, one of those “Convert to Jesus” comments that actually has relevance to the video. I never thought I’d see the day

  • @PabloGonzalez-rv9gf
    @PabloGonzalez-rv9gf 4 роки тому +38

    Look at me, im the captain now
    - Heero to Noah, moments before the Ark became a Gundam (Noah's Ark, Japanese Interpretation 1995)

  • @Henriki2305
    @Henriki2305 4 роки тому +92

    If Japan were more friendly with the west it could have been extremely possible that they would have adopted Latin alphabet for their language (It was even considered in Japan during 20th century, some event had the idea to make French their official language for some reason)

    • @zerefsunlimitedshipworks
      @zerefsunlimitedshipworks 4 роки тому +7

      -some event had the idea to make French their official language for some reason
      French support to the Ezo Republic, perhaps?

    • @hamzasalama8794
      @hamzasalama8794 4 роки тому +3

      @@zerefsunlimitedshipworks that was in the 19th century

    • @InternetAddict069
      @InternetAddict069 4 роки тому

      Why french?
      That seems to hard for their tounge

    • @mr.nonentity3906
      @mr.nonentity3906 4 роки тому +14

      @@InternetAddict069 Spanish would make more sense given that Spanish and Japanese have similar pronunciation

    • @death5913
      @death5913 3 роки тому

      @@mr.nonentity3906 true Spanish the easiest language to pronounce

  • @europadeutscher9689
    @europadeutscher9689 4 роки тому +159

    Could you please do a “what if Charlemagne married “Irene of Athens””-scenario?

    • @mahdiafaneh2392
      @mahdiafaneh2392 4 роки тому +1

      Pinker fluffyger Muffin who’s Irene of athens

    • @TheWazzoGames
      @TheWazzoGames 4 роки тому +28

      Mahdi Afaneh empress of the Byzantine empire during the reign of Charlemagne. Their marriage could've United the East and West back together.

    • @xxXXXxxx852
      @xxXXXxxx852 4 роки тому +8

      wait, Irene planned to marry off his son (the one she blinded a few years later) to one of charlmagne's daughters. she wasn't planning on marrying Charlemagne herself

    • @JP-rf8rr
      @JP-rf8rr 4 роки тому

      YESSS!!!

    • @friattmoooo
      @friattmoooo 4 роки тому

      wow that would be so great!

  • @ilo3456
    @ilo3456 4 роки тому +18

    Thing is that Japan could have done this even if they didn't become catholics since it was actually really powerful and had it not gone into isolation for so long they could have become a Major world power capable of creating one of the largest non European empires of the era.
    But the ruling class was not willing to undergo social reform to see this future come to pass but rather remaining stagnant for so much time which is funny because eventually those reforms came anyways once the Samurai class felt like their social structure was more a burden for them than anything else.

  • @timhardy676
    @timhardy676 4 роки тому +5

    I actually really liked this one. Thanks for the video looking forward to more

  • @wommyu
    @wommyu 4 роки тому +110

    Title: Japan
    Thumbnail: china

    • @kaushalkarthikeyan4547
      @kaushalkarthikeyan4547 4 роки тому +3

      Did you even see the video fully

    • @wires-sl7gs
      @wires-sl7gs 4 роки тому +7

      Correction: Thumbnail contains both Japan and China, highlighting their spheres of influence.

    • @gaipa2006
      @gaipa2006 4 роки тому

      I did not even notice that. Yep, the thumbnail is china not Japan.

    • @takashi.mizuiro
      @takashi.mizuiro 4 роки тому

      wait i am confused

    • @gaipa2006
      @gaipa2006 4 роки тому +3

      @@takashi.mizuiro the crucifixion symbol is in china not Japan. Look at the map closely.

  • @richardthefox3412
    @richardthefox3412 4 роки тому +33

    At last! Someone made this alternate history!

  • @RubinNischara
    @RubinNischara 4 роки тому +14

    8:20 I mean, that's precisely the situation the Roman Emperors were in when Constantine legalized Christianity, they also were considered descendents of God, but couldn't anymore due to the trinity. My guess is that the idea of what an Emperor is would develop in a similar manner as it did in the West, with the Emperor not being a literal God but his first representative on Earth which would align with the term Tenoh. This would most likely cause issues with the Pope though and at some point an informal schism similar to the Anglican Church would occur, where the Japanese keep most of the Catholic traditions they accumulated over the years, but view the Emperor as both, as head of the state and head of the religious cult. They might even develop an own line of apostolic succession where legitimately anointed Catholic bishops would continue to anoit other bishops, but under the umbrella of the Emperor. Since the Pope would be too far away, he wouldn't be able to intervene the same way he could in Western Europe.

    • @Nigerianreaction
      @Nigerianreaction 3 роки тому

      You should read the journey of the 3 Japanese samurai who went to Rome they’re the first Asian to step foot in rule they were send there by nobo naga the purpose was to see the pope and bring him something in the future to Japan they made it back to Japan but nobonaga was dead back then that’s why Japan didn’t became Christian they won’t change the church rules or anything Catholic don’t change rules Christian are loyal I mean they were Catholic 200 ago in China before the first ones visited Japan today you will still see them in China they haven’t changed any rules

  • @Genesis-yi5nz
    @Genesis-yi5nz 4 роки тому +133

    Japan would be called "Cipangu" then.

  • @aditya5474
    @aditya5474 Рік тому +3

    Main Timeline Japan : Emperor is descendants of God
    Christianity Japan : Emperor is blessed by God

  • @alextheflagguy4032
    @alextheflagguy4032 4 роки тому +62

    What if United 93 reached its target on September 11, 2001 ?

    • @tophatknight7136
      @tophatknight7136 4 роки тому +16

      Demonetization has entered the chat

    • @Koala1203
      @Koala1203 4 роки тому +5

      Alternate History Hub already did that one.

  • @saffron3113
    @saffron3113 4 роки тому +7

    3:07 What a picture
    11:46 WHAT A PICTURE

    • @JasonJrake
      @JasonJrake 3 роки тому +1

      Do a google image search for Chinese art 🖼 of Bible stories. I get the feeling that the parable of the prodigal son really resonated with their confusion views on family.

  • @K9TheFirst1
    @K9TheFirst1 4 роки тому +11

    8:15 - Well, the Bible DOES say that sovereigns were divinely appointed by God, so that alone should be justification. And with political pressures, it would only be a question of time before the Imperial Family properly converts. The Japanese could claim his family are descended from the union of an Angel and a Human that survived the Great Flood in order to preserve the explicitly Divine origins of the Imperial Family, without going all the way to being the son of Jesus.

  • @Live-qf2lg
    @Live-qf2lg 4 роки тому +87

    God: hey Noah.
    Noah: Yeah.
    God: have one kid and only one
    Noah: why
    Santa: *removes mask* NO QUESTIONS. TO THE NAUTY LIST YOU GO.

  • @alextheflagguy4032
    @alextheflagguy4032 4 роки тому +72

    What if the Soviet Union never invaded Afghanistan ?

    • @markos9531
      @markos9531 4 роки тому +10

      Cody from Alternate History Hub has done a good video on that topic

    • @Brandonhayhew
      @Brandonhayhew 4 роки тому +1

      @@markos9531 he did better but the cancer still spreads. His right regret is fun

  • @casteddu6740
    @casteddu6740 4 роки тому +8

    We were at the verge of greatness, we were this close...

    • @Blackmage4001
      @Blackmage4001 4 роки тому +2

      X doubt

    • @casteddu6740
      @casteddu6740 4 роки тому +7

      @@Blackmage4001 I mean a Christian Japan would have been cool

    • @mitonaarea5856
      @mitonaarea5856 4 роки тому

      @@casteddu6740 how??? Japan is what it is today because of xhinto and buddism.

    • @casteddu6740
      @casteddu6740 4 роки тому +2

      @@mitonaarea5856 ever heard of jokes?

  • @nicholasthompson3511
    @nicholasthompson3511 4 роки тому +8

    In other words, one of my best EUIV achievement runs.

  • @bigcat5348
    @bigcat5348 3 роки тому +3

    Philistines: Ho? You're approaching me?
    Samson: I can't beat the shit out of you without getting closer.

  • @TRUTHISABSOLUTE777
    @TRUTHISABSOLUTE777 4 роки тому +14

    An anime version of the book of the Revelation would be incredible! All the creatures and fighting and plagues and then at the end Christ himself comes and lays the smackdown on anyone in anything against Him.

  • @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
    @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 4 роки тому +6

    12:33: Lmao, I love how all you have to say for #5 is, “Tamerlane.”

  • @australiananarchist480
    @australiananarchist480 4 роки тому +25

    easy justification for the emperor: Japanese Pope

    • @makhdias6907
      @makhdias6907 4 роки тому

      Brutally wrong and racist

    • @australiananarchist480
      @australiananarchist480 4 роки тому +2

      @@makhdias6907 1:35

    • @makhdias6907
      @makhdias6907 4 роки тому

      @@australiananarchist480 Still incorrect and racist mr. Isaah James

    • @australiananarchist480
      @australiananarchist480 4 роки тому +2

      @@makhdias6907 incorrect I can understand, but how is it racist?

    • @makhdias6907
      @makhdias6907 4 роки тому

      @@australiananarchist480 Grossly oversimplifies and minconstrues a complex and long lasting culture e.g. the japanese.

  • @L_mattox
    @L_mattox 3 роки тому +7

    Okay, but hear me out... Samurai crusaders
    On a more serious note, as a Christian, I think that belief in a benevolent God and the promise of an afterlife, would do wonders for the mental/social health of modern Japan. Modern Japan has massive suicide rates, miniscule birth rates, low rates of marriage, and terrible mental health for most people under 40. I think that Christianity could solve all of those problems and more, if they'd give it a chance. I also think that if some evangelistic association sent a couple thousand missionaries to Japan, you'd see a lot of conversions. There seems to be millions of young, depressed, hopeless feeling people in Japan, wondering if they were meant to just work, survive and die alone, and I think Jesus would bring light into their lives.

    • @DavidMartinez-fq9eh
      @DavidMartinez-fq9eh 3 роки тому +2

      Look at South Korea. It could be said that it is now a Christian country, if you count Protestants and Catholics together.

  • @jackmayor3574
    @jackmayor3574 3 місяці тому +1

    I want to talk about christian history that's been forgotten when it comes to Japan. It concerns the end of World War 2.
    Did you know that Japan was once home to the largest Christian church in all of Asia? The Urakami Cathedral had been constructed within the Urakami District, this location was where hidden Christians resided during the 17th to 19th centuries during the nation's ban on Christianity. It's amazing that they managed to thrive throughout that time and were able to construct this cathedral once the ban was lifted.
    The City that the Urakami District resided in had been a stronghold of Christianity in Japan since the 16th century, with a resilient community that survived centuries of persecution. The city had the largest concentration of Christians in Japan, and the Urakami Cathedral was a central place of worship and community life. What city did the Urakami district reside in? Nagasaki.
    The atomic bomb that was dropped on Nagasaki on August 9, 1945, was detonated extremely close to the Urakami Cathedral.
    The bomb, known as "Fat Man," exploded approximately 500 meters away from the Urakami Cathedral. The cathedral was almost directly under the bomb's hypocenter. The force of the explosion devastated the church, causing it to be destroyed along with the surrounding area. The proximity of the detonation to the cathedral is one of the reasons why the destruction in the area was so severe.
    The American government and military were responsible for the loss of the hyper majority of the Christian community in Nagasaki, and without a shadow of a doubt had eviscerated the Christian influence in that country all at once. Their excuse for why they detonated the bomb over the largest influence of Christianity in all of Japan? It was an accident. They missed their target apparently, which was far, FAR away. I do think this played a part in Japan having one of the lowest Christian influences compared to other countries worldwide.

  • @errir4042
    @errir4042 4 роки тому +67

    Our anime and manga wouldn't have existed the way we have it today but in the other hand Japanese Churches would have cute anime girls as the icons

    • @Blackmage4001
      @Blackmage4001 4 роки тому +15

      There wouldn't be anime since Japan would be on the level of development and wealth as the Philippines or other SEA countries.

    • @JP-rf8rr
      @JP-rf8rr 4 роки тому +40

      @@Blackmage4001
      Japan would probably have developed faster since the main thing holding them back was the self enforced isolation. If this scenario worked out they would easily have been as developed as the major European nations.

    • @davidgumazon
      @davidgumazon 4 роки тому +9

      @@Blackmage4001 are you mocking my country, Philippines?
      ',:(

    • @bibbedcracker121
      @bibbedcracker121 4 роки тому +15

      David Gumazon David Gumazon I’m a Filipino and sadly the truth is that the Philippine’s development has never really been good. Just looking at it now, Manila and Metro Manila are far richer than the rest of the Philippines combined. Manila isn’t even that technology advanced or big! I think blackmage is wrong on his point, but if he is trying to say that the Philippines is not well developed then I believe he is correct on that.

    • @davidgumazon
      @davidgumazon 4 роки тому

      @@bibbedcracker121 you made a really good point, pre mag tatagalog ako, kasi pilipinas eto oo talagang mahirap na bansa tayo pero pre maghintay tayo kay Lord yayaman din tayo basta manalig tayo sa kanya in fact malaki ang role natin sa End Times tayo ay Ophir so dahil kay Jesus hindi walang kwenta ang mga religions natin sa pilipinas kasi isang Diyos lang ating sinasamba. God Bless you :))

  • @447GHT
    @447GHT 4 роки тому +1

    Just a really fantastic, thought provoking video. Really sorry face cam didn’t work out for you!

  • @kaihinton6623
    @kaihinton6623 4 роки тому +8

    *”The year was 1637 and could scientifically be described as a shithole”*
    Yea seems about right...

  • @robertovazquez8512
    @robertovazquez8512 10 місяців тому +2

    Super interesting. Would like to see what if the Spanish Hapsburgs were able to integrate Portugal and their colonies into their empire and both the Dutch and the British were not able to seize Portuguese colonies.
    Another alternate history. What if Isabella from Castile would have married the Portuguese prince instead of Ferdinand of Aragon?

  • @henryp9671
    @henryp9671 4 роки тому +37

    Wait so in the timeline where the ty ping are a bunch of crazy fanatics what happened to the Japanese empire in world war one I’d assume they would still have designs on Siberia so maybe without the Chinese functioning as a threat to their power they would join the Central Powers

  • @mark12strang58
    @mark12strang58 4 роки тому +35

    A Christian Japan would have sent missionaries to other parts of the world, this would have also caused a lot of conflicts with the other Christian powers.

    • @lasislasfilipinas114
      @lasislasfilipinas114 4 роки тому +18

      I dont think so, they're main goal would probably focus on China or Vietnam

    • @efxnews4776
      @efxnews4776 4 роки тому +2

      No, the best case scenario is west of north America, they probably will have close ties with portuguese, and a powerful rival with Spain, so they wouldn't mess around in south and central America...

  • @theartistformidablyknownas3807
    @theartistformidablyknownas3807 4 роки тому +15

    What if empress irene marries charlemagne

  • @michelvan97
    @michelvan97 4 роки тому +9

    This scenario would work better if not Portugal, but Spain discover Japan
    Spain would more active support the Japanese Christians
    and more chaotic situation after Japanese civil war could make the Christians the dominant power
    special with Spanish weapons

    • @danmur2797
      @danmur2797 2 роки тому

      Actually the Spanish were present in Japan. They made their way from what is today Mexico.
      It was largely those interactions the Japanese had with the Portuguese and Spanish that drove Japan to self isolate itself from most westerners for over 200 years.

  • @GD30.06
    @GD30.06 4 роки тому +14

    Damn they'd be our Catholic homies like the Irish.

  • @gabingston3430
    @gabingston3430 4 роки тому +24

    Please do a What if The French Revolution never happened video.

    • @ahmadhassan8466
      @ahmadhassan8466 4 роки тому +3

      Event that created the modern world
      Modern world wouldnt exist

    • @battlama9958
      @battlama9958 4 роки тому +2

      He has already discussed this topic in the video "What if France won the 7 years war?"

  • @PaoloCavestro-ey9bb
    @PaoloCavestro-ey9bb 8 місяців тому +2

    What if Europe, Middle East, America and Africa had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton Our Goddesses instead of Abrahamic shit?

  • @khandovarbalest1369
    @khandovarbalest1369 2 роки тому +2

    Crusader Shoguns: A concept none of us would be ready for.

  • @mr.anderson2241
    @mr.anderson2241 4 роки тому +6

    I kind of doubt japan would create a new church soon after just barely adopting Catholicism, especially since Japanese Catholics IRL are very staunch conservatives and traditionalists

  • @jeromevaleska7629
    @jeromevaleska7629 3 роки тому +5

    Even in this timeline, the emperor is still allowed to dress like an emperor.

    • @noelxlk
      @noelxlk 10 місяців тому

      bill wurtz reference

  • @wehushi_sushi
    @wehushi_sushi 4 роки тому +5

    You should make non fictional history videos and just explain it because your really good at it

  • @jamesnewman5204
    @jamesnewman5204 3 роки тому +5

    I could see European influence being a plausible way of helping the Christian rebellion

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory 4 роки тому +11

    It's interesting how with Japan also being Christian, China could have become Christian as well

    • @ExodiaSC
      @ExodiaSC 4 роки тому +6

      A man can dream ✝️

    • @Miolnir3
      @Miolnir3 4 роки тому +3

      Well, a spanish plan to conquer China was proposed to king Phillip II of Spain when he was the "Planet King" (both Spain and Portugal were under his crown for a time)... but he turn it down becase he said that part of the world fell under the portuguese side of the tordesillas treaty and wanted to respect his portuguese subjects economic interests over their spanish counterparts if they ever claim the soil , but they didn't attempt to do so either. Yet the only thing the spanish "conquered" was the chinese monetary system with the silver coins they brought from the american continent. Up until 1911 there were around 400 to 500 million spanish coins still in use to trade in China.

    • @micahistory
      @micahistory 4 роки тому

      @@Miolnir3 interesting

  • @TheKeksadler
    @TheKeksadler 4 роки тому +4

    Big question would be in this timeline, would Japan, and maybe China, adopt the Latin script? Especially with Japan essentially starting off as a theocracy, the early Japanese church would most likely operate very much like the Catholic Church at the time- therefore I could imagine the ministry being near entirely in Latin. Plus, you know, revolutionaries being revolutionary.

    • @JP-rf8rr
      @JP-rf8rr 4 роки тому

      I think it depends on how the Roman catholic church handles the situation. If they act fast and efficiently supplying Japan with intelligent priests and writing institutions then Latin could be use for the beginning. Odds are however that a native Japanese script will eventually overtake it anyway.

  • @aicauca2078
    @aicauca2078 2 роки тому +5

    この興味深いビデオを、ぜひ日本語に翻訳してください。日本人のほとんどは英語がわかりません。

  • @bernardoviana1774
    @bernardoviana1774 4 роки тому +2

    6:04 This event is know in Portugal as The Restoration of the Independence and the war fouling this event is The Restoration War. I don't know if in English is that the name but is more accurate calling this name because Portugal was independent before, it just lose it in 1580 to regain it in 1640, so if 1637 was the year of revolution, help from Portugal would be absolutely impossible

  • @adamlyfield1036
    @adamlyfield1036 4 роки тому +5

    Though I do understand your reasons, I do miss seeing your beautiful face, Althist

  • @ryanhinrichs7353
    @ryanhinrichs7353 4 роки тому +1

    Your back YES YES YES

  • @リアプロ
    @リアプロ 3 роки тому +13

    "The world can scientifically be described as a shithole"
    😂

  • @stingymedia127
    @stingymedia127 3 роки тому +2

    The subtitle are doing there own thing

  • @lerneanlion
    @lerneanlion 4 роки тому +16

    What if the Roman Empire converted to Buddhism instead of Christianity?

    • @Miolnir3
      @Miolnir3 4 роки тому

      I wouldn't be an Empire.

    • @Suite_annamite
      @Suite_annamite 4 роки тому

      @@Miolnir3 *The Romans fell socially and politically because of Christianity* , and *the Mongols fell* (in Central Asia and the Middle East) fell as soon *as they left Buddhism.* You might have to rethink what Middle Eastern personality cults do to empires that they depend completely on for "legitimacy".

    • @Miolnir3
      @Miolnir3 4 роки тому +20

      @Le Huy-Anh So you will not be convinced by the current accord by historians and antropologists stating that it was actually centuries of acumulated financial, military and political failures and bureaucratic corruption WAY BEFORE the christians started to get preeminece in the Roman Empire. Have it your way, it won't change the evidence.

    • @JP-rf8rr
      @JP-rf8rr 4 роки тому +2

      How exactly would/could that happen?

    • @kevinclass2010
      @kevinclass2010 4 роки тому +1

      Greek City states in Bactria did exactly that

  • @ignazioacerenza9881
    @ignazioacerenza9881 4 роки тому +2

    Hey! I've seen you mention Drill in a bunch of videos. Are we talking about military drills, as in excercises? Aren't those standard in military training since I dunno, forever? I'm ignorant help.

  • @srezno-ivan2006
    @srezno-ivan2006 4 роки тому +20

    A very interesting alternate history if Japan would have converted to Christianity. This small change would have changed the history of the far east drastically. Maybe in a good way but also a bad way.

    • @merafirewing6591
      @merafirewing6591 Рік тому

      How funny it would if a Christian Japan decided to go on a crusade against the Soviet Union, but with the United States convinced to pitch in?

  • @oremfrien
    @oremfrien 3 роки тому +2

    Considering that in our timeline, Post-Meiji Japan went for Korea and China long before turning to Southeast Asia, I don’t believe that Japan would be intimidated by China’s size and would attack. Remember also that the Imjin Wars would be a strong memory and the only reason that Japan lost those was (1) the strong Joseon-Ming Alliance, which was much stronger than the Joseon-Qing Alliance and (2) Yi Sunsin’s expert command of the Korean Navy which prevented over 3/4 of the Japanese Army from making a successful landfall. With both of these out of the way, a Japanese invasion of Korea is far more likely than a Japanese-Spanish War in the Philippines or Vietnam.

    • @ikengaspirit3063
      @ikengaspirit3063 3 роки тому

      The Japanese were already operating in South East Asia
      ua-cam.com/video/T-9rSKIh9ig/v-deo.html
      And those were disproportionately merchants and mercenaries. If like WhatifAltHists said Merchants become supreme in this society, ten the Japanese merchants and mercenaries of SouthEast Asia could drag Japanese interest there.
      Also, the Imjin war could just as easily innoculate the Japanese against seeing an expansion into Korea and China as viable. And the war was in the first place driven by an overbloated warrior class and person ambitions of the Emperor. A sort of revolution like that won't create an overbloated warrior class.

  • @alextheflagguy4032
    @alextheflagguy4032 4 роки тому +18

    What if the U.S. won the Vietnam War remake ?

    • @WhatIsLove170
      @WhatIsLove170 4 роки тому +4

      Nearly happened, the us drawn up plans to nuke a portion of vietnam essentially cutting of north and south vietnam from eachother making the border impassible for many years, nearly happaned but it rejected, it was called operation fracture jaw, it would of been a poltical disaster but it would of won the vietnam war. Edit, well it wasent exactly the plan i stated but the end result would of been the same, use nukes to sever supply infastructure

    • @liberalbias4462
      @liberalbias4462 4 роки тому +1

      @@WhatIsLove170 yo fuck that.

    • @comradekenobi6908
      @comradekenobi6908 4 роки тому +1

      @@WhatIsLove170 lmao
      After that,
      US: welcome to the ZONE!

    • @AureliusLaurentius1099
      @AureliusLaurentius1099 4 роки тому

      The US would need to invade North Vietnam proper

    • @spartanx9293
      @spartanx9293 2 роки тому

      @@WhatIsLove170 so you're saying in order to win the war we would have to pull a belka

  • @garysara969
    @garysara969 4 роки тому

    Dear Narrator. I am a History Addict which there are many of us, & your "UA-cam" Channel that depicts scenario's of Alternative History of "What-If" had happened, is very enjoyable. Plus in your narration, you have added humor & needed sarcasm, which is refreshing too. The only thing is, could your narration be spoken little bit slower? I am finding it hard to keep-up with the narration. Like eating a large & delicious desert of "What-If" History Scenario's, extremely fast. Except for that you are great.

  • @rjabrogar3492
    @rjabrogar3492 4 роки тому +11

    What if charlemagne and princess irene was married and united the byzantine empire and frankish empire, next!

  • @Cinderfella_Productions
    @Cinderfella_Productions 4 роки тому +1

    Hey! I was just thinking about this! :D

  • @henricusrealms8411
    @henricusrealms8411 4 роки тому +3

    Here's something also to think about, such a Christianity described in Japan then China is going to at some point come into contact with Russian Orthodox Christianity. The Asian nations might very well discover more affinity with Eastern Christendom (Orthodoxy) than the Latin West.

  • @bevbevan6189
    @bevbevan6189 4 роки тому +5

    This would all happen after Seven Samurai, Kagemusha, Ran and Rashomon. I have no objection.

  • @AfroAsiaticLanguages
    @AfroAsiaticLanguages 4 роки тому +7

    Makes a video on what if Japan became Christian in 1637..
    SHOWS MAP OF MING CHINA WITH CROSS ON IT.
    EDIT: Your map shows Portugal as an independent country, but it was part of the Iberian Union in 1637. This dissolved soon after in 1640, with the Portuguese rebellion and restoration of their monarchy.

    • @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
      @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 4 роки тому

      HistorywithNathe Maybe watch the video? He addresses both of these.

    • @AfroAsiaticLanguages
      @AfroAsiaticLanguages 4 роки тому

      @@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 I did, and although he stated that the Portuguese were fighting for their independence, he still inaccurately depicted Portugal as separate from Spain 3 years early. 1637 is not the same as 1640.

    • @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
      @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 4 роки тому

      HistorywithNathe But involvement with Portugal wouldn’t necessarily start in 1637, would it?

    • @AfroAsiaticLanguages
      @AfroAsiaticLanguages 4 роки тому

      @@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 Nope, it started in 1580.

    • @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
      @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 4 роки тому

      HistorywithNathe But he’s specifying for this timeline.

  • @MaxwellAerialPhotography
    @MaxwellAerialPhotography 4 роки тому +3

    My only major criticism of this scenario, is that i don't think that Japan would have kicked the Spanish out of the Philippines, or at least they would not have been able to in a single war. They likely would have imposed heavy penalties on the Spanish, perhaps forcing all Spanish ships to dock and pay taxes in Formosa or possibly take Manila and part or all of Luzon. More over it would have been too costly militarily and not worth it economically to try and kick the Spanish out of the whole archipelago. Its quite possible that they may have eventually pushed the Spanish completely out of the Philippines, but It would almost certainly taken at least the better part of a century to complete, and it may have been in Japans interested to leave a weak Spanish presence on the islands.
    Oh and as always China would always be the elephant in the room consuming the majority of Japans foreign policy bandwidth.

  • @jhonharper2001
    @jhonharper2001 4 роки тому +4

    Can you do a what if the valkyrie plot succeeded

  • @IKEMENOsakaman
    @IKEMENOsakaman 2 роки тому +2

    I love these pararel history timelines based on facts and fantasies

  • @undeadastronaut1746
    @undeadastronaut1746 4 роки тому +4

    can you make a video of what if Spain decided to conquer japan after the battle of Cagayan in 1582?

    • @Blackmage4001
      @Blackmage4001 4 роки тому +2

      They would of failed... Miserably, battle of Cagayan was between pirates so its not a good gauge as to what how an actual army from Japan would perform. And the power projection to of even conducted such an invasion did not exist.

    • @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
      @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 4 роки тому

      Blackmage4001 I don’t know about miserably. I think they would fail but maybe take some ports. I don’t really think Spain would have any interest regardless.

    • @Blackmage4001
      @Blackmage4001 4 роки тому +1

      @@emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 no they wouldn't of taken any ports. They would of simply failed.
      The problem Spanish nationalists do when looking at Cagayan is that they interpret a bunch of pirates, and think they were actual Samurai and an actual army... Which they weren't. To compare wokou pirates to samurai would be like trying claim some gangbanger from Chicago is a US marine.

    • @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
      @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 4 роки тому +1

      Blackmage4001 Mmm, no? Spain’s technology was much more advanced. They basically controlled the sea at the time. The casualty rate in Cagayan had a very high contrast between the two forces. The Spanish noted that their foe were using outdated guns and they had more trouble dealing with the environment than their enemies. I understand they are pirates, but technology cares little for this. I could definitely see Spain holding some ports in Japan if they ever tried this, sorta like what Portugal usually did on coasts.

    • @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
      @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 4 роки тому +1

      Blackmage4001 Actual armies don’t truly matter when up against better tech. In Cagayan, the pirates had a larger army than the expeditionary Spanish forces, and got absolutely annihilated. Japan’s tech at the time wasn’t much better. Spain was basically the contemporary superpower and probably would’ve taken some ports if they tried, not all of Japan though.

  • @aerohydreigon1101
    @aerohydreigon1101 4 роки тому +2

    11:30
    What did you do to the Trịnh?

  • @taptiotrevizo9415
    @taptiotrevizo9415 4 роки тому +4

    By the what about WW1 still happening (not just this video, but all of your videos that go into the 1900's mention ww1 still happens? )

  • @bluegamer07
    @bluegamer07 4 роки тому

    Nice video bro

  • @outrageddeer2101
    @outrageddeer2101 4 роки тому +15

    What if new Mexico became independent during the chipamayo revolution

    • @zerefsunlimitedshipworks
      @zerefsunlimitedshipworks 4 роки тому

      Texas might fight New Mexico and win.

    • @outrageddeer2101
      @outrageddeer2101 4 роки тому

      @@zerefsunlimitedshipworks I don't know Texas did invade Mexico in the past several times and got defeated most of time

  • @Sharmatold
    @Sharmatold 3 роки тому +1

    0:55 "The year was 1637. Their world can scientifically be described as a shithole"

  • @TriatomicAI
    @TriatomicAI 4 роки тому +4

    He finally made it

  • @vanceguerena8889
    @vanceguerena8889 4 роки тому

    Awesome as always

  • @larsdelver385
    @larsdelver385 4 роки тому +6

    6:16 the classifying the rest of Japan “ imperials” isn’t accurate because the Meiji restoration hasn’t occurred yet, so the emperor was still a figure head compared to the Tokugawa Shogunate.

    • @Deridus
      @Deridus 4 роки тому

      Even the term, Emperor, is a bad term. Inaccurate at best, misleading typically.

    • @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121
      @emperorconstantinexipalaio4121 4 роки тому

      Lars Delver Maybe he was using it to represent the shogunate.

    • @Miolnir3
      @Miolnir3 4 роки тому +2

      The japanese "emperor" was more like a "pope" than the europeans were willing to recongnize though I personally think the word "pharaoh" is more appropiate. Yet this is an interesting topic that the video doesn't adress. If the japanese _Tennō_ is more like a god or a relative of the gods themselves then maybe that explains another factor as to why christianity didn't progress much faster.

    • @larsdelver385
      @larsdelver385 4 роки тому

      Deridus The tittle was adopted by the proto Japanese kingdom of Yamato to emulate the governance of the Han dynasty and its Emperor.
      P.S if I may ask, how is it misleading ? 🤔

  • @hamskanks2459
    @hamskanks2459 3 роки тому +2

    im not remotely religious, but if japan became christian, that would be fucking metal
    imagine the crusades but with katanas

  • @davislindegren4462
    @davislindegren4462 3 роки тому +4

    there's only one answer:
    The Empire of The Rising Son

  • @error9106
    @error9106 4 роки тому +1

    Been waiting for this. Thanks man

  • @thomaspaine3394
    @thomaspaine3394 4 роки тому +5

    Finally I can drink a cup of joe and enjoy a radical alternative history. Much thanks

  • @train884
    @train884 4 роки тому

    ive been waiting for this video lmao