Will Chibsons Ever Be Collectable?
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This is literally the only fucking guy I listen to play.
I don't know why every other UA-cam guitarist just grates my ears when they play, and I just want them to stop playing. I can't quantify the reason.
Absolutely 🇬🇧 😅 a UA-cam film 🎥 Legend 🎸
I’ve owned some Gibson’s and fenders and some of them have been right Dogs ..you’re looking chipper today Dave keep it up ..
It comes down to this, which I learned after playing for 60 years. It's not the name on the headstock, it's the guitar that makes it special 😊
I believe you are correct, but I also think it is Dave that makes it special, regardless of every other parameter.
Also the hands...
More like the player is what makes a guitar sound great. I’ve heard guys playing a Squire strat that is under $400 through a good amp and making that guitar sing.
A cheap guitar property set up and intonated. With good strings. Run through a good amp can sound fantastic in the hands of a decent player.
@@medaner1974yes for sure.
If we play with the exact gear of our favourite player,will we sound like him?
Generally, I would say no. The law suit guitars are regarded now as genuine vintage guitars because we know their provenance. The 70s guitars from Aria, Tokai, Ibanez, Columbus etc are regarded as Vintage because we know who, when and where they were made and they all were made to a standard. With Chibson's, you don't as a rule know who, when or where they were made and quality control is erratic to non -existent. Yes you can undoubtedly get a good one, but for every one good one, there are probably 10 dud ones. So because of this I think people will still regard them as "dodgy knock offs". IMHO.
that's a very, very good point. cheers man
Chibsons are hit and miss- mostly miss. 😂
Agree 100%
I love that you're not a brand whore. The name on the guitar means little to you. If it plays good, you don't care what brand it is. That's refreshing to see on UA-cam. Much respect
It goes against everything you told yourself when you were growing up😂
My friend had a Greco sunburst LP copy back in the 80s that was bought and sold for cheap at the time, wish I had that thing now. If the Chibson is made well it will be sought after like the MIJ copies of the 70s/80s.
One minute in and to say that this sounds nice is an understatement.
Be awesome Dave and cheers from The Netherlands.
Too many channels here in America are too quick to burn them as fire wood because of ripping off people who might buy it by mistake but I am with you just say it is a China Gibson and that it is so cheap!!! Love you all and have a blessed day and save it from being fire wood!!!
Dave, good day mate! Great video as always, opened your channel for my Peter Greens daily dose, saw this video, watched it and just ordered 3 Chibson guitars 😅 i will start playing again because of your playing! Thank you!
Yes. Why? Because I think there are more Pros out there using them than we know…
100%
Not that he didn't make this sound like a fine guitar, I highly doubt that what you said is true.
Having grown up with kay sg's and colombus l.p's, i bought the same type guitars years later be the mere fact you can still find them!, and with a little set up knowledge they can play well and i love there Lo-fi sound.
110% agree with you mate 👍🏼 … love the term “lawsuit guitar “ 😂 , I am 53yrs old and been playing guitar from 12yrs old 😮… and your comments are so so so so spot on 🎉
Smile on my face, he makes every guitar Great! 👍👏👏
I tried buying a Chibson once. It got stopped through customs and that was that.. the general consensus I get about them is that they look the part but are unplayable until they’ve had a good bit of work done to them. I am more than happy with my Epiphones if I’m being honest
In my opinion, it could have the potential to be collectible in a very niche section of vintage guitars. Most people probably won't care and overlook them. But having had the chance to compare a chibson black beauty to actual gibsons and a 70s recorder . The chibson was impressive for it's price point and had nitro!
Why are you so dam good? Excellent intro! 😊
The only thing about the chibson is that people try selling them as a Gibson to the people who don't know what to look out for,
I wanted a chibson les paul junior but luckily epiphone did there inspired by Gibson so I got the epiphone,
Anyway Dave I hope you're doing well dude and keep up the good work
Dead right Dave.
Me and my pal both had Antoria LP in the 70's.
He had dark tobacco burst and I had a gold top.
Both great to play and made in Japan.
He also had an Audition from Woolworths, which was a plank. Yes there were good and poor ones, bur if you got a good one!
But even the Auditions are now revered and the Chiibsons are definatley better than the poor old ones, even before 50 years of playing and bumps.
I'm afraid some of us could be called "guitar snobs" 🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸Never too many guitars!
Play on and be happy 🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸
Antoria Gold Top owner here too!
@@jsnowdendavies sold it many years ago. Wish I hadn't!
There will be some unknowing people that think they are buying a genuine Gibson. I have a real problem with that. I have seen them advertised as such in those pawnbroker type shops.
Usually these Chibsons have Chinese production stamps in the cavities that give it away.
@@malcolmhardwick4258 A local shop was selling a Zakk Wylde BullsEye counterfeit at a very high price. I've seen a fake Ace Frehley Les Paul too. I don't know if the shops are aware of what they are selling,. But there is a chance that somebody buys them thinking that they are genuine.
I had an 70's Antoria and it was a fantastic guitar, as usual "wish I'd never sold it".
IMO, quality (sound and feel) matter but, to become collectable or highly desirable in other ways, I suspect that rarity is part of it. Old Japanese instruments are becoming desirable because there aren't so many of them left (similarly, '50s and '60s instruments from Gibson, Fender etc). If the Chibsons are/become good enough, then the production volumes will have to be low or the avaiability will have to be limited for other reasons.
Looking at a very different part of the market, Chinese-made Dingwall basses are already desirable because they are still produced in low volumes (and finished/check/set up in Canada to ensure the quality is there) and demand seems to exceed supply.
Excellent playing, as always.
Just read classic rocks dave Well done looks like things are coming together 😊
When a True Hero comes and plays, no matter what guitar they play, it will become collectable. It's that simple.
In my mind I can't really connect the links. Don't get me wrong, I get the point you're making, I just can't put it together in my head. A 70s copy was just a different time. Even though it was a copy, it was not mass produced (at least not like nowadays). Through new machinery and technology it got way easier to produce a guitar and even more a copy. That's also the reason why affordable guitars are so good nowadays. Just put the specs into a machine and its done (of course its work, I hope you get my point). Back in the 70s it was kind of like a gamble, if your copy was playable at all and I guess only the good ones made it to this day. In 40 years people will know it's a Chibson and it got produced the same millions of times. I don't think the brand is collectable ever, I think smart people that don't care about the brand or the price of a guitar will try to get a good one, they feel in love playing it. The reputation of Chibson guiitars is overall trash and some are lucky and get a good one, not a good start to become a collectable.
Nice video and have a nice week together!
It may depends of the number produced. Certainly less for '70s Japanese models.
The Cathy guitars might as they can be attributed to a maker, the regular Ali Express ones cant though!
Some of the discontinued Harley Benton models are being sought after, I have the original SC Custom which is a copy of the LTD Eclipse, I have changed the pickups to Fluence actives and routed the back out for the battery, I have an LTD Eclipse but I prefer to play the HB version, I think the cheap high quality guitars will be revered, they will have history in the guitar timeline, younger players wont be able to afford the highly collectable guitars like 59 bursts or even '60s Les Paul models and so will look to other guitars to collect.
No, they are made on the cheap, often things don't line up etc. Also, seeing as it says Gibson on the headstock, it should be stamped "Fake" on the back of the headstock in order to save someone from having it passed off on them in the future as an original Gibson. People have been ripped off buying them. I do like some of the japanese "law suit" les pauls, and they don't have the Gibson logo on them, it waw a shape thing.. Having "Gibson" on the headstock goes beyond "law suit" to being a counterfeit.
Absolutely yes to be honest have a great weekend Dave and also what is a fantastic video this one ❤😊
I dont know about chibbys as i mever owned or played one , but im sure people will love some other copies like tokais. But the question is , do you feel the difference between your black copy and a real deal? Great video as always ❤
Wow getting in classic rock is pretty far out dave people are beginning to realise how talented you are well done man looking foward to the album😊
Yes, it is possible they will be revered. Anything can develop a myth around it, especially over a period of time, and it only takes a few people on a few forums to seed the idea that a particular year, or a particular type of serial number, or some other giveaway to identify certain guitars as having a "provenance" that will give it "desirability" in the resale market. Traders will create a market if they think one can be made. As @BobPerrone has commented though, it's the guitar that matters, not the name on the headstock (and I expect you feel that way too).
I still have my first guitar, an Antoria pressed-top/semi-hollow bolt-on neck Les Paul copy from the 70s that I got for Christmas 1985. The previous owner had rewired it, added a Dimarzio and Schaller machine heads and it was (and still is) lovely. Even by then the cream was starting to rise to the top with those guitars, and the good ones that had been modded were sticking around and the duds were not going to make it in the long run. So regardless of the "lawsuit" (bear in mind that I think there was only an actual lawsuit taken out against Ibanez) or the Matsumoko or any other "provenance", those that are still around today probably are worth acquiring just because they made it this far and the things that weren't great about them have been dealt with. Plus, I've never wanted to buy a real Gibson Les Paul (note "buy" - I just can't afford one :D).
Incidentally, I can remember Tokai's being described in music mags in the 80s as "replicas" rather than "copies" as they were just so good.
Hello sir Dave, I don’t know about collectible but people sure are buying them. If nothing else they’re good wall hangers.
Dave, I had an Agile 2000 with SD Pearly Gates pickups; and if you closed your eyes, you couldn't tell the difference from a Gibson! 😁🤘🎸
Nobody imagined in the 80s that Japanese guitars of the period would be collectable;
I just discovered a band called Lizzard they have just released an album called Mesh. It’s quite the ride and I’m super impressed by it. This is just a recommendation as I thought you might appreciate them.
Indeed, in my experience its not the name, its how it plays and sounds! 😁🤘🎸
I'm not so sure, and it's nothing to do with the quality of these or how great people find them but I think a combination of availability and the fact that they're being as bold as to brand themselves as Gibson.
The 'boldness' first, I think Gibson can't realistically stamp out these sellers because it's not like there's a branded manufacturer, like Ibanez, saying "Hey, look what we made!" that they can sue. It's sort of vague Chinese entities that pop up and disappear and they're selling these under false pretences as Gibson guitars. The problem that creates, as I see it, it how might a future collector say "Ah, that's a manufacture lawsuit copy. Looks like a 2023, that's when some of the best models were made..." If the internet is to be believed (bit if) these often have fake serial numbers, to older existing instruments and might not be copying any current models so, other than knowing you have a "Chibson" you don't know what you've got. It's not the same as, for example, "Oh man, that's a '75 Ibanez lawsuit Les Paul!" or "Look! An 83 Tokai!" (if either of these would be exciting to a collector, don't know enough) but I don't see how you'd have that equivalent.
The availability, can't say but it sounds like people have been talking about Chibsons for years and there's no real sign of that going away. In the big scheme of things, the lawsuit guitars weren't available for very long and there's maybe a sweet spot where if you get a lawsuit from year x by brand y then it's better than the Gibson's of that year and tales are told that they're as good as some of the real classics. I don't think you're seeing the same with Chibsons. Don't get me wrong, when I'm seeing a Chibson video now they tend to be more complimentary than the early videos and it's maybe a combination of how good things like CNC are these days and how many big companies are having their guitars made in China, so maybe a 2024 Chibson will be a sought after year but I think it's more likely that it's be a background constant.
Final thing is I think there's so many other good, cheap, alternatives without them being a Chibson. There's a lot of great manufacturers making different-enough-not-to-get-sued copies. Already hearing people say the no-longer-available Harley Benton 550 (the version before the mark II) is a great guitar, sadly no longer available and that the 450 plus gold top is amazing, and so in. Maybe the futures lawsuit era collectors will be looking for vintage Vintages and Harley Bentons.
So I don't think they'll be collectable but not because they're not good enough to collect but I don't think they'll be distinguishable enough or rare enough.
Just subscribed love the playing man
The reality is, the Chibsons have gotten much better. Swap out a few hundred in parts, pickups, tuners, nut, a bit of smoothing fret edges - you can have an excellent playing Les Paul style guitar FAR less and without feeding Gibson's greedy coffers. But as an investment - I think people will be wary of them for a long time to come, and with the earlier ones, I would say that's justified. I don't get it - in the '70s, there were many LP copies made by various manufacturers - no real big deal was made. But the Chinese begin making them and everyone freaks out. Go figure.
i think having the copyright name on head stock will prevent them from having the same collectability as the 70s who copied the models but not the name, i think the likes of harley benton guitars which are blatant copies but cheaper alternatives will have the collectable appeal in years to come.
I’m sure they will be!
I got a high end Chibson with full flame maple top, fret edge binding, long neck tenon, one piece body and neck, ebony fingerboard and full nitro lacquer in a real beautiful sunburst. Its as good as a low endJapanese LS75 les paul in the build quality. Well the Tokai was a bit better finished but after couple years playing you dont notice the little imperfections. But compared to my Greco super real les paul. The Greco is on a different level !
I wonder if the opposite might happen; if there are enough fakes to make it impossible to tell them from the real ones, the collectable and vintage market might become too much of a minefield to be worth bothering with. I'm already at the point where I don't even look at second hand Gibsons or Fenders.
Let's hope so. I have to0 many and a black one just like the one you are playing ..pretty good and then rebuild with the Gibson parts or whatever you choose. Tops are maple specs are usually correct.. you got a good guitar.
I have a few and theyre amazing but I told my oldest if I pass to throw them away lol
Could be cool, but I highly doubt they are really made like those super high quality fujigen gakki / tokai gakki produced guitars everyone is so hyped over nowadays (greco, burny, mij fenders, univox and stuff). I’ve seen a video of a chinese counterfeit guitars factory the other day, it looked like a pirate fabric making fake football shirts for third world market. And i wish i was wrong and those guys were best kept secret highly trained luthiers cause it would be super cool, especially since lawsuit japanese guitars are so expensive now… yet my luthier told me he’s seen a chinese es335 fake and was so impressed with the built he was wondering if they were not made secretly from the epiphone factory.
I just got my second one…
sweet guitars brother davo!
the guitar in my thumbnail on fcebook is a chibby LP with vanson "59" voiced pups...love that one to bits! its even outta phase to resemble peter greens model(lookswise too) when it was newer...
all 3 of my chibbys(i have 2 SG chibbys too) were shipped out with a different name covering up the big G name...ive heard these get inspected somewhere in customs and re packed as they make theyr way to the buyers...as to not get in trouble...
that white LP clone might fade to a yellowish tint to resemble randy rhodes LP possibly depending on the finish im guessing...
i also got a miller LP clone called "rockmaster"(wonder if peavey got upset)in "aquaburst" this past spring...its in the thumbnail on the tube...i named it "albatross" because of its color....
I`m sure you could make a tea chest bass sound epic Dave 😀
My initial answer would be no, they wouldn't be collectible, but after listening to your reasoning, I think you might be on to something. I think an unmodified chibson isn't so great, but when you mod them with pickups, tuners, pots, bridge and tailpiece they can be amazing players. Considering their price, it's worth it to modify. The problem is that here in Canada anyway, it's illegal to sell a counterfeit. Yours is a good example of what would be collectible in 30 years.
Off video subject, Dave, when are Red Giant going to start shipping the CDs out? I know you said it would be October, and it is, but can you give an estimate of when your CDs will be posted? Thanks.
It’ll be after the album launch on the 18th.
@@thedavesimpson Thanks for the update, Dave. Can't wait, as I think the track Monsters is great and so relevant for today and our times. Cheers
In 40 years time guitars are made of composite material. All wood guitars will be highly valuable 😊 So Chibsons too.
I wonder where they are made. Assume the factory makes other guitars too.
I have a black Burny LP custom copy (a Chinese one) Always wondered how those were legal to sell here with the Gibson headstock.
They went bust recently.
Regretfully sold my Harmony Stratatone 1959, which then turned out to be Spencer Davis" guitar, but virtually gave it away, in the days before tinternet.
Doh! 😭
No. Because its technically illegal to sell a counterfeit Gibson logo'd guitar, and that ultimately means theres no legitimate resale value, which means collectors/flippers arent attracted to them.
Counterfeit guitars (fake logo) are a very different thing to lawsuit guitars (clearly different brand). If we're splitting historical hairs there was never actually a lawsuit - only an initial cease & desist letter before action, all settled before ever reaching court. Ron Bienstock was the legal guy in many of the high profile guitar cases and does trade show talks and a few yt vids correcting the common myths (like lawsuit guitars). Interesting guy. We all know what you mean by it - but we are wrong.
dave in 40 yrs time there will be no forests left to make guitars so yes they will be collectable , even now there changing rosewood necks to alternatve woods
Great playing as usual. Don't think i would ever own a Chibson. It does sound good though. I have an 80's Gibson, but i prefer my early 70's Japanese made Les Paul's.
I believe the Saxon brand was made by Ibanez, and sold in the European market.
A good guitar is a good guitar! Who knows where the market will go?? I've seen old guitars that in their time were junk! And still junk And now collectable?!?! Thanks 🤘 I've got real Gibson's and chibsons! My chibsons are really nice after I changed everything!!
They will most definitely be collectible but only when they stop making them
I can’t believe you’ve got a Chibson…. A carry over from my youth is that I’m a massive Ace Frehley fan. My love of Kiss long since faded, but I still love Ace - I love the cartoon mystique around his 1970s image and have considered buying an Ace Frehley Chibson to put on my wall. Should I go for it? I could mod it to do smoking solos or to fire rockets as well……..🤔🤘🚀🧑🚀🎸
Nice to see you well, Dave! IMO MIJ guitars have always been superior to MIA guitars. I have an advantage living in Australia, I switched to MIJ guitars about 20 years ago. I don't think the build quality of any chibson I have seen (or any Gibson for that matter) is at "Japanese levels".
The only way I see Chibson becoming valuable in the future is if they stop manufacturing them. I can only see them becoming better made.
I think gibson are letting them getting away with it is because well, it's china,and china isn't bothered about copyright infringements.And also,Gibson know that people that buy these chibson guitars will eventually upgrade them with genuine gibson parts,pickups,bridge, tailpiece etc.Meaning gibson will at least be making money from a bad situation.
Hey Dave....How heavy are both of them...Rock on bro
Very. Proper lpc weight.
Here’s my take on the chibson’s. Coming from a guy that has three kids, a wife and a decent mortgage that works 9 to 5. Who loves playing and has a little money to throw around and buying a brand new Gibson custom les Paul between eight and $11,000 is not feasible for the average person with a family and a home. Your wife would divorce you. But I can buy one of these guitars for 300 bucks do a fret job myself put in a few hundred dollars worth of wiring pick ups and a nut and tuners and I have a sweet guitar for $800.00. Sounds good to me. let’s not forget slash and James Hetfield both played knock off Gibson guitars and launch their careers. Although they keep that hush-hush these days. Keep in mind that Gibson outsources their Epiphone guitars to the same Chinx that you’re paying wholesale price to make your Epiphone /chibson. If Gibson can do it and create the Epiphone why the hell can’t I! Quite frankly, the Chinese that’s making your guitar is probably making more than they would working at the Epiphone factory so they can support their family. I just cut out the middleman. I’m just having them put a different logo on the head stock. In fact, Gibson is doing the same thing by making there inspired by Gibson brands. Do you think BB King, or half the great blues players had money to buy guitars that were thousands and thousands of dollars when they were coming up. Watch some stuff on Joe Bonamassa half of these blue guys were probably using your basic old, twin fender amp, and some telly from a pawnshop. Everybody loves lead zeppelin and Jimmy page. The first album was all played on a Tele, but promoted like it was played on a Les Paul. We’re just sticking it to the man. What rock and roll was all about. If you’re some single divorced guy in your mid to late 50s and you buy snooty boutique shit good for you asshole these are the things you can do after your wife divorces you. your just the kind of guy that the Gibson factory is looking for! Word to you mama! Deuces✌️
Well, let's face it. There's surely many more people buying these newer high end Epiphones. Even if your in that grey area that now exists. It really comes down to whether that guitar inspires you?
The days have passed, where most people still believe if it's not a Gibson. It can't possibly have any real value. That's just not an accurate way to look at guitars. Value is always going to be gauged by individuals. Not corporations. I think we forget that many of our guitar heroes started on whatever they could get. Peace.
No no and for several reasons. As you are saying them old copyies from the 70` got value but them where also as often as well made and them where branded as Greco Tokai and so on. I got one that will atleast in somewhat keep its value a Les Paul made by EKO an old Italian maker pretty much as unknown outside the latin sphere but there it is there are to be an brand a maker with an history.
Well, they "may" be collectable, for some people...But one of the reasons that the Japanese "copys" are so popular is that, at the time Gibson didn't make (people thought) good guitars. Budget cuts had changed how Gibson (and Fender for that matter) ran quality control. It wasn't uncommon to find a new Fender or Gibson that you couldn't tune (up the neck) the intonation was fracked. The Japanese copys had very good quality control. Also, generally the wood chosen for construction was of a higher standard then Gibson was using... at the time. Are the Chibsons built better then Gibsons? PS Gibson did make some nice guitars in the 70s...even if they used multi-wood construction (pancake) and QC standards dropped.
They are getting away with it because China doesn’t recognize any patent laws or trademarks. They can’t be sued. I particularly don’t like fake anything. My favorite guitar is a Japanese Fender ST 62 Strat. It was made under license. I really don’t know if Chibsons will be collectible. Probably. A lot of stuff made in Japan before and during the occupation is quite collectible. Your Chibson looks and sounds really good. If it plays the way you want it to that’s what matters. 👍☮️🌞🎸🎵
Considering that when one walks into Guitar Center in the USA probably 75-80% of the guitars in there are made in China, isn't the idea of Chibsons sort of obsolete??
My 1st geetar was a hondo 11 les Paul
You hope they will Dave, because you long for a real Gibson. It’s odd people hate Gibson due to the price but I’ve got one Gibson and two tokai recent Japanese guitars. If I sold the Gibson it would be gone in a heartbeat. My tokais would struggle to be given away.
I don’t long for a gibson because I have one.
In 40 years time some of the Chibsons will be in collections as real Gibsons.
And that’s evil. That’s the real reason, people are buying them to defraud others. Wrong.
@@aliengrey6052 If you are buying guitars as investments rather than on their sound and playability then it serves you right.
@@Andy_Ross1962 fraud is fraud. People buy them intending to defraud others. That’s why people want Gibson on the headstock.
It sounded great Dave. I say doubtful tho.
Im waiting on a chibson goldtop
Every single Gibson I have ever bought needed work to make it usable. Everyone makes a big deal out of that garbage ABR bridge, which is almost guaranteed to be in the wrong place. Then there are the crappy tuners that have to be replaced. They still won't stay in tune for very long-it's a Gibson. Then the pickups, etc. But if you so much as tighten a screw on it, you have destroyed it's value.
A "Chibson", however, at least in my experience, will require a fret polish, maybe leveling, new pickups, pots and switch. Less work than the Gibsons.
So YES-I think there will be a "collector" thing for Chibsons, it just won't be house-purchasing prices.
You are buying a "print", not a painting, so it's a different thing. I have a VERY early, non-serial number Ibanez gold top copy that I have had for over 50 years, and it was old when I got it, and NOTHING I have ever played works as well. It's chambered, with a carved top on it, and the bottom cutaway is rounded off a bit, and the shape is a bit off as well.
I sold off the bulk of my collection during the pandemic, down to 12-15 now(not sure),and my Cathy-built LP and another LP built from Epiphone CNC leftovers is still here.
lots of people in this comment section are missing an important point about cheap chinese guitars; all of the terrible ones you see around now are going to be less than firewood in just a couple years. the good ones though? they’ll still be around, just like all of the good old japanese made copies from the 70s. will they be as collectible as the lawsuit ibanez and similar guitars? unlikely, but i do they they’ll get to the point of having a niche collectors market.
i think the big limiting factor is the lack of branding. tokai, ibanez, etc are all brands people associate with nice vintage copies, but since nobody wants a letter from gibson’s lawyers, nobody put their name on the chibsons they make, so it’s pretty hard to find the good ones in amongst the crap ones
I love these 1970s japan copy guitars best guitars for your money
Dave you do make most guitars sound good i was around in the 70s playing guitars and for the most part the chibsonsd are better but some of mij guitar's are fantastic.
Yeah, maybe Eastmans
Eastman make some amazing instruments, I have one of their acoustics. Not tried one of their electrics but I’m sure the quality would be right up there! 👍
Hi 😊👋
The answer is no. The 70’s lawsuit LP copies were from legit companies and many consistently made good copies. The ones who have tried to use the Gibson name but are obviously not Gibson run the gamut from awful to excellent but there isn’t anyway to identify the good makers from the shat. To be collectible, it has to have some value to be desired, to have value it has to have identifiable quality which will have to be associated with a name with its own history of quality that guitar people can verify and quantify.
Ironically it's the fake Gibson of Slash that brought back Gibson from dying completely back then.
I'm not an LP guy (have one roadworn by Vintage and another 50 years old Japanese black lawsuit hollowbody Angelica Deluxe (Columbus) LP, identical to that of Dave's in this video), but if to buy one again that would be a 70-80s Japanese LP copy of sorts. So many of them are of outstanding quality. 🤔
Why not just buy a Gibson?
Because of the price…. I still did though. Erm 🤔
I doubt it
I enjoy chinese made guitars
Definitely maybe 😂
The fact that they have deliberately tried to deceive people by putting the Gibson name on the headstock makes me hate them. I don't care if they're good or bad, they're made and sold by scammers. When the Japanese companies made copies, they put their name on the headstock. There was no deception, just imitation. The two approaches are worlds apart.
I have one I put gibson hardware and electrics into it, and it sounds better than the stuff sounded in the gibson... So I have a gibson thats not a gibson and a chibson thats not a gibson. But in 20 years the world will be saturated with them and they will be on many bonfires!
Yes ...no problem ...unless they're sporting a Gibson logo ...liking a shape is one thing but using logo illegally is not good news
In 40 years all the rubbish ones will have fallen apart and been thrown away (or been fixed up to be good)... so.... Yes!
Mabee in Europe countries
All it takes is for a few mainstream UA-camrs to hype them up. People are incredibly gullible these days.
prob some made buy a great builder there are some out there.
Absolutely not. The headstock label disease is just too strong. Also as many good Chibsons as there are, there is even more bad ones out there. What needs to happen is makers, should stop putting Gibson on the headstock. Put your own name start building a reputation for your builds. Then maybe things will change.
NO. Some may be fine players. They will not be collectible or rise significantly in value beyond inflation.
I think guitars are to expensive because life is so many things and money is an issue when you have an family, house car etc and I know my taste in guitars might be on the heigh side but guitars have tripled in price in a couple of years. I want to support the “real” product but I can’t afford to anymore…
“insert curse word”.
My 79 Greco SE600 (57ri) is better sounding (and feel wise) than Fender MIJ Strat 57 RI, objectively, and both of them are from Fujigen factory. People are still sleeping on Japanese copies
End of the day, a guitar is a guitar. They are all alike yet all different. Ton of guitars are made in China anyhow, we live unfortunately in a global marketplace. Japan did the same thing 40 years ago. The West was sold out by the Baby Boom generation, and that might have been the straw that broke the camels back. Better learn Chinese and Arabic, LOL!
100% no