Simon Jordan SLAMS Souness and Keown For DEFENDING Rice Over Red Card Incident 😳🔥
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- The Key Match Incidents panel has ruled that referee Chris Kavanagh made the correct decision in dismissing Declan Rice during Arsenal's draw with Brighton. talkSPORT's Simon Jordan, Jim White and Danny Murphy have their say.
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Just imagine if this would’ve happened to a Brighton player and not arsenal. It would’ve been the Brighton manager saying he doesn’t agree with it, arteta would’ve come and said “they’re the rules” and it wouldn’t of been talked about ever again
There was 13 incidents of players stopping the game being played that weekend. The softest was rices and he was the only one that got booked
Well said 👏🏾👏🏾
Exactly this, either this is an isolated incident that the referee got wrong OR this is a correct decision and the referees get dozens of other decisions wrong every single week.
Which is it PGMOL?
He got booked for trying to get somebody sent off, rolling around like a girl and asking for a card
In your opinion, as an Arsenal fan, it was the softest. There is no metric or fact to calling it the softest, that’s just like your opinion man
You only have a point if all incidents are the same.. Are they? Of course not.. If all 13 were the same incident, at least 7 would get the a yellow
IF your argument is 'letter of the law', then the calls HAVE to made every time. They clearly arent, and on that day, they clearly werent.
The current state of the game, the ref picks and chooses when they will enforce the law. Leaving for the potential for unfair advantage.
Cry more
@@Youngy07 sure thing, 🤡
I completely agree with you, the ref was inconsistent as other players should have been booked however that doesn’t mean the Rice situation was wrong. Ref got that one right and the others wrong
The referees are the problem, not the law.
@@nairblooc If you want, as you say, letter of the law, technically, when Pedro booted it away, the whistle hadn't gone. Everyone always says, "Play until the whistle" just in case, and even though it's obvious what he was doing, until the whistle goes, the ball isn't officially out of play. Therefore, by the strictest letter of the law, it's not a bookable offence in the same way that Rice's was.
Could someone tell Jim that there is no such sport as FuteBawl
Freekick was illegal because Veltman rolled the ball forward, took it in the wrong spot plus ball was not still
Ball didn’t have a chance to be still , because Rice moved it before it stopped
@@HarveyTwoFaceDentif Veltman didn’t kick it against the back of Rice’s leg he could have taken it?
@@ItsAv3rageGamer stop making hypothesis. if rice didnt kick it and its still moving, the freekick will be restarted. but rice did kick it. the key point is RICE KICK the ball away when he shouldnt.
@@HarveyTwoFaceDent Veltman kicked a stationary ball into Rice, so the ball was live when Rice kicked it then.
@@alone2break Veltman had no intention of trying to take a free kick. Everyone knows that.
If you are confused on anything in life. Just ask Simon. Whatever he chooses, just ignore thats complete bs
Why are the refs ignoring the rules when the same offence is committed 13 times on the same weekend ?
We will be looking out for all the yellows being dished out for similar offenses henceforth. The PGMOL better be ready!
"That would be harsh" PGMOL and media if Citeh player kicks ball into the stands in 10th minute and "gives ref no choice" but yellow
@Breddaship 20 teams in the league
@chiii2485, or just move on like everyone else has. Assuming you’re an arsenal fan, your number one priority should be winning the league after all, not being paranoid about conspiracies or victimisation of your own team.
@@seanb25 I think this should be directed at Talksport. They are the ones that need to move on.
@@seanb25it's hard winning the league when you're faced with multiple apologies from VAR and the officials each season, and City aren't.
10:05 Did Danny just say that Sterling could play Odegaard’s role? (in a midfield 3) 😂
Sterling can't play full stop and actually weakens their title chance because he'll be getting minutes when it should be trossard or martinelli that get those minutes
Keown is a thick bias plank how he is employed on the radio is a embarrassment
I’d saying you’re lacking some intelligence yourself. They say outlandish things to get thickos commenting on their socials.
Because TS like idiots with the insightful pundits to provide contrast/variety hence Cundy's on too.
He's there for click bate
@@taracanyon1 *bait
This melt hasn’t even played football but speaks with such authority over ex players that know more about the rules and application.
He needs to understand the price of cheese
Most ex players past&present don't know the rules mate
Simon's made a point about "subjectivity" but then the PGMOL's statement says "Rice knows what he’s doing - it’s a gentle touch, but once the referee sees it he has no choice." which is also subjective. How about "Veltman knows what he's doing by both winding up Rice and by hacking Rice"?
Also, the ball was in motion when Rice did the nudge, and a quick restart couldn't have happened. I'm more AMAZED at the PGMOL statement tbh.
Is "winding up" in the rulebook?
Saying he intentionally hacked Rice is extremely subjective. Rice doesn't get touched at all if he doesn't interfere with the free kick.
@@TP-pq9xx "Rice knows what he's doing" is as subjective as "Veltman knows what he's doing". Also he didn't interfere with the free kick because the ball was still in motion.
@@araminatsaghanian6142 The ball being in motion is a non-issue because the free kick hasn't been taken yet at that point. And it was never taken. A rolling free kick never occurred, you're just imagining that it would have occured. Rice literally kicked the ball out of bounds with his "gentle touch".
@@araminatsaghanian6142 Rice was already on a yellow. If he had a brain he wouldn't be sh*thousing like that when he's already on a yellow. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
They enforce the new laws on Arsenal while they let every team off the hook to show they are implementing the new rules. It is the same every year. Tomiyasu last year. Martinelli double yellow in 2 seconds & rice this season. I am from Netherlands but what have Arsenal done to deserve harsher treatments 😂
Nah im a newcastle fan weve been done dirty so far u see that schar send off these refs are gettin worse
Boo boo.
Clive Woodward:
Bodies in the Oven, heads in the freezer
I was at the game how pedro booted the ball just before half time. The ref couldn't be bothered to book pedro when the second half started.
The Pedro 'yellow card' was not a yellow card - the ball was out of play. The use a multi ball system so that is not time wasting, as another ball can be thrown to the player immediately.
Danny Murphy with a straight face "yeah Raheem Sterling can play in that Odegaard role" lol what..... I'm not even an Arsenal supporter and that's such a stupid statement
So let me get this straight, so it’s the refs fault havertz missed a one on one with the keeper right? Saka ? Odegaard literally hit it straight at the keeper from 6 yards out and is it the refs fault Lewis dunk yes Lewis dunk played one pass straight through our whole team ?
Ah look, the guy with high standards has come here to tell us how he is above the ref blaming non-sense. Welcome.
Who said that in the video?
Ahh, arguing against a point nobody made. Intelligent.
I feel like I’m going mad listening to Hugh. He wants his manager to lie, and then goes onto say that United are very poor.
How is anybody supposed to debate with him..and then he wouldn’t take the bet 😂
If it was Rice's first yellow nobody would be moaning about it, they would just accept the decision. He was stupid to do it knowing he was already on a yellow and I'm sure Rice would admit that. Rice was just unlucky that THIS ref happened to apply the law.
Ref never applied the law at every corner kick or for numerous other incidents! If the game is played 'to the letter of the law', well, we won't have a game worth watching. Free kicks every 15 seconds.
it probably just highlighted that that particular law can in some instances be too harsh especially when players know and are just stitching opponents up.
Football is not black and white. Discretion forms a major component of referring why consistency can never be achieved. Declan Rice created a situation for Kavanagh to exercise his discretion which didn’t go DR way. DR nudged the ball; basically cheated by faking an injury; and delayed the restart of the game. DR has only himself to blame.
Going on about rice like the Everton fans do about the "arteta money" 😂😂😂
Stop defending this rubbish. We all know that was rubbish. Martinelli was given a red for offences under one action. We will never see that action being repeated again.
Martinelli shoved a player taking a throw in. Nailed on yellow, never even seen a player ever do that before. Then as the advantage was played he full sprinted through the back of the player on the ball with zero attempt to play the ball. Nailed on straight red card. Then he picked up the ball and argued with the ref. 3rd yellow/red card.
Dalot also last season recieved 2 yellow cards at the same time but Arsenal supporters are giving another club's supporters a run for their money as the perpetual victims.
Raul Jimenez was booked twice in the same incident last season, once for a foul and then ironically a 2nd for stopping the restart
@TP-pq9xx How can you get 2 yellows at once the whole point is a yellow is a warning ffs 😂
@@mikem8211 You've just been given 3 examples of it happening in the PL recently.
Anyway, explain this to me. If a ref gives an advantage for a yellow card foul (that's what happened with Martinelli), does that now mean that until the play stops again, the player (who is already going to be on a yellow card when the advantage ends) is allowed to commit any other yellow card foul and the ref is not allowed to punish them? It's a free hit for the player?
@TP-pq9xx He should blow the whistle and give a yellow if he let's it go plays advantage and the player fouls again then yes it's a yellow as ref should've blown and yellow card/cautioned the player you can't do that as it's not fair on the player as he is unaware he's on a yellow absolutely ridiculous if anything give a straight red you can't give 2 yellow ffs 🤣
So doesn`t the referees being allowed to have discretion mean they can alter the rules to suit themselves ??
after watching Afcon qualifiers and the amount on delaying restart by deliberately kicking the ball i now understand why this Law was introduced
Agree with DM, and the incidents are isolated… Rice’s was right
Jim always licking Simons backside 😂😂
He lives off it. Joke of a pundit
@@TristanThom-yq5xvbecause it doesn't suit your agenda, you idiot.
Oh the irony of Souness and Keown who bent and broke the rules throughout their careers now bemoaning this incident, shut up move on!
I agree with Simon .. he should not have kicked the ball away..rules are rules.
Us wolves fans are still waiting for half the top 6 teams to be sent off for surrounding the ref like lemina did 🤷♂️
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It wasn't a red card it was a second yellow. People saying others got away with kicking it away. Shouldn't we be praising the only ref to get it right instead of moaning about this ref
The same ref in the same game ignored a worse example of the same offense earlier in the game. That's why it makes no sense and people are infuriated
Footballers and football fans want to be able to restart and counter attack quickly, as they should be entitled to as they have just been fouled and illegally impeded. So, the rule about kicking the ball away is popular and EVERYONE wants that rule enforced. Declan doesn’t “touch” the ball. He kicks it away a few meters. In order to restart the opponent has to run to get the ball. Replace it to the correct position, and take a run up. The counter attack was knowingly foiled by Rice. The yellow was obviously deserved. DON’T KICK THE BALL AWAY after your team has just fouled.
Let’s see who gets a yellow this weekend for exactly the same “offence”
If it’s all about ‘following the law’, then follow the sequence of events. The ball was moved at least 10 yards ahead of where it should have been. So that should negate what happened afterwards but they won’t mention that of course
You cant keep saying its the law when pedro kicked the ball away nothing happened 🤷♂️
You say cant use common sense. Saka is hit with a bad tackle within the first 5mins of the game. The ref uses COMMON SENSE to say its only 5mins in ill give that a pass
Massive change for Ange to get a huge result
The calls for common sense are because we can all clearly see that they were both at it - he didn’t delay the restart because it wasn’t a sincere attempt to take a free kick. Factor in the inconsistency with the previous kicking the ball away in the first half and it’s very soft…. And I’m a Spurs fan so no bias here. It was a nonsense sending off.
Apply the law to Declan... lets not talk about Jao pedro or Veltman kicking through a player. Lets just apply the letter of the law to Declan.😊
Rice knew what he was doing, and he knew he was already on a yellow. He made a dumb mistake, yes it's soft but you can't kick the ball away when it's a freekick to the opposition simple as.
Sterling can play the Odegaard role? Stop smoking your socks
Why are these LAW'S only enforced when it's an Arsenal player?
By the law… the ball was rolling so the whole thing should be stopped there no?
Letter of the law but not that law. 😅
By the law the free kick should have been retaken IF it had been hit when the ball was rolling.
But that never even happened because Rice interfered before the free kick could be taken.
That panel always agrees with the pgmol
In last night's international, Saka delayed a quick free kick from being taken by running in front of the ball. He wasn't punished for it
Hows it against the rules to not be able to IMMEDIATELY be 5 yards away which isn't possible, to have ball rolled into the back of your legs from 1 yard away while you're facing the other way then have someone miss the ball they're trying to kick at you and kick the back of your legs?????
Stop acting like its the rules to hide behind, you can't use "the rules" card when it doesnt make any sense. VAR is ridiculous. the diving thats constantly allowed is ridiculous, OVER THE TOP exaggerating every tiny thing, then ignoring massive problems is DUMB, the excuses are just lies, the lies are just followed by more insane lies. PSR is clearly corruption.
You's are just ignoring the actual problems and then will use them later to make some more bullshit up.
It was a correct yellow card but the main issue is lack of consistency.If officials reguarly apply the rules correctly this would hsve been a non-issue
Simon Jordan didn’t grow up playing football. He was a rich rugby playing kid. Rice only has himself to blame but it was an incredibly harsh yellow.
I don't like Simon but that is not true. His father played for Crystal Palace, albeit never really a first team player. Simon also tried to become a professional footballer but was ultimately not good enough. I don't know why you're making up things about rugby since there's no evidence that Simon Jordan ever played rugby in his life. He doesn't even look like he was ever built for rugby.
@@LordHighness He went to Purley Grammar School for Boys. A posh kid’s school where they didn’t play sports for “commoners” like football. Rugby was their sport.
Why did he buy a football club then you clown. He clearly has love for the sport
harsh but still a yellow
He played football at a decent level. Who did he play rugby for?
Let’s see if any referee has the bottle to send off Havartz for simulation this season
Jordan refers to Martin and Graham , 2 people he engages with daily and presumably has an informal relationship with , by their surnames for this entire video....what a hard cold man he is.
Nice one Mr. Simon
Forgetting to mention that the ball was rolled into Declan first.
Not to mention the ref never saw anything besides Declan on the floor.
Anti Arsenal tbh
Where in the rules does it say “you can kick the ball away without being booked as long as the ball was rolled towards you”?
He kicked the ball away which is a yellow card simple as that
@@theblues8840 I think your looking for quote marks oppose to speech marks pal.
@@theblues8840 rolled towards or rolled into?
You got the laws in front of you or are you just waffling?
You try to have consistency or allow referees to have common sense. You can't have both as common sense can be subjective.
Asna fans still crying almost 2 weeks later.
Still can't believe the uproar. You poke a ball away when they are taking a free kick and it's a booking. That's been the case for years.
It hasn't though has it? Name me another incident, I'll actually wait for you to do your research
@djessikabeya3995 That's an easy one. Raul Jimenez playing for Wolves against Man City, 2 yellows in 30 seconds.
The ref, Simon and Danny are absolute lemons. The ref is weak about he had to do it. Why do refs ignore the law sometimes. Isn't it cheating or giving advantage.
Well said Danny.
Like it or not, it’s a booking by the book. Yes it was inconsistent because others didn’t get booked in the same game, but that doesn’t mean Rice incident was wrong it means the other incidents were
They still banging on about this 😂
3 seasons ago it was Liverpool being robbed of decisions, 2 seasons ago it was Arsenal, last season it was both cause they both challenged City. Already this season it’s happening again. No team has any chance of challenging City if the premier league refs have anything to do with it. And it’s always by a few points they win the league. Great team but they don’t need the extra help
Excuses FC will never forget this 😚
Arsenal fan here. By the letter of the law yes it’s a second yellow. Think the issue is around consistency across the league, let alone just in the game e.g. jao pedro not getting booked 🤷♂️ also then there should be bookings for when players pick up the ball, resets into position and throws the ball back to the other team to take the free kick
The issue is (not just Arsenal supporters) every football supporter feels aggrieved about reffing inconsistency when it harms their club but no football supporter has ever been angry about reffing inconsistency that benefits their club. It just has never happened. So that means it's not actually about the inconsistency.
Football fans are the most inconsistent bunch out there and feel no shame in asking for refs to be perfect omnipotent beings.
Oh Simon Jordan, i love you so nearly, you're very intelligent.
Are we gonna see indirect free kicks every time a keeper holds a ball for longer than 6 seconds ? Or will we see yellow cards when a throw-in isn't taken from exactly the same spot where the ball went out ? Cause those are also the laws of the game. The bottom point is football is supposed to be ENTERTAINMENT and decisions like this kill entertainment. They only create anger, division and confusion among football fans.
The good thing about the league is it's long and these guy are likely to walk back their assessment in a different situation. Just seat back and watch.
the law is not wrong its the way its applied that is wrong. 1st of all premier league need to compeltely remove any possibility of fast restarts as its the original basis behind why players like declan rice or jao pedro go aout of their way to block or slow the restart. 2. referees need to remove al notion of common sense from the game and stick to the law no matter the case that means every single player that wasted time by kicking the ball or holding the ball need to be given a yellow card. this bring its back to the 1st point the only reason they are blocking it is becuase they are tryuing to prevent a fast start
Veltman done him.. simple as.
I skipped that scene so i went to rewatch the whole match and my God talk about over-exaggeration lol i thought rice kicked the ball into the sky with how they were making it out to be..He just tucked the ball away a little..Yes it's the law but the ref should have considered him becuz going against that law isn't nowhere as consequential as breaking laws on penalties, offside goals and injury red cards
If anything Veltman should’ve been sent off for lashing out and kicking Rice ! The refs been so poor and it’s only game 3
Ball was rolling too. Opposing teams always stop that or intervene. Sometines picking up the ball and placing it back where it should be
BORE OFF YOU DELUDED MUPPET
Then they need to be ready..All eyes on them 😂 they need to abide by any law of the book..Even the conventional unwritten ones😂
Rice was asking to be sent off in that game, should have been sent off for that tackle in the first half. Piss and moan but Rice has turned into a dirty player.
These media outlets Yap about Arsenal day in and day out and then talk about how Arsenal fans love to say the world is against them.
Grow up
But the law was only imposed on one team correctly
We have a term for when the law is not applied to all... Injustice.
That’s completely irrelevant though isn’t it? Just because he messed up with the Pedro one doesn’t mean he should let Rice off
If Arsenal have no once tried to get a player a yellow with a quick free kick then you can complain, but I know for a fact they have gotten multiple players cards doing the same thing since the rule has come in play a year ago
Players who played the game involved! What a laugh. The most biased outcomes of all. Lol.
People did it on thr same day no second yellow. We will be looking for the same decisions for the rest of the games
Someone needs to do a compilation in the coming game week just to expose this corrupt idiots 😤 Arteta's hate is unmatched.
Stop with the victim mentality
Don’t need ex player in terms of ex Premier league it can be ex players who have played national league or low league football likely to be less bias and they could do with the money
Souness would have had a different opinion if that was Pogba
If we now apply the exact same consistency and allow all players like veltman to take advantage or say book players for brushing aside a ball even if they aren’t really holding anything up, it’s just the T &Cs saying so, then I want it upheld and fully expecting bookings every match. Or they could just use common sense which is something seemingly impossible. I’m a huge simon fan but he’s got it in for rice. The arguments he has for the sending off and the fact he didn’t celebrate his goal against ireland, although well argued, are total rubbish. At least he backs the courage of his convictions though
Learn absolutely nothing from the Murphy fella...boring tripe
Jesus is out for at least 6 weeks Danny..... so Havertz cant drop into midfield.
What happened to Football where players at the beginning of game feel out the ref on how he plans to blow the game? Some refs allow physical plays and so players adjust to it. This ref allowed another player to kick ball away in the first half. If going by law then a foul in the first minute should not be different from a foul in the 90th min. but we all know that's not the case. That's why common sense should have prevailed.
Fine, if the law is applied against Arsenal and not against Brighton, then it’s bias and corruption.
I'm really not sure why Martin Keown was asked for his opinion. He continues to act as a representative of Arsenal rather than a pundit. Compare him to the excellent Ian Wright who will provide a good opinion regardless of allegiance.
Ian wrights biased aswell mate. Roy Keane always calls him out for it on stick to football
Watch a game, every player is constantly cheating. The rules aren't the problem, it's the deterrents. Punishment needs to be changed. Yellows and reds do not reflect the crime in any way so we must create a new system to punish petty fouls with small punishments and dangerous play with expulsion. I think a 5 and 10 minute sin bin is the best option. It will change the game! You will have Ice Hockey style powerplays. Maybe a team with a 2-0 lead won't waste time so much and cheat if the risk is going down to 10 men to defend.
make no difference arsenal beat them no matter bout rice
It’s gets more shiny from left to right.
If am not wrong. Veltman was booked wasn't he?
When discussion is about actual football and not football politics or finance I don't really pay attention to what Simon says. I find him entertaining and agree with many of his views. But I know he hates Arsenal so it doesn't surprise me that he is always there trying to put us down.
Always happens. Arsenal punished oddly and more than any team. Yet media always redirects the hype like with Tomiyasu and with Martinelli's two yellow on same play or with Newcastle cheating goal
MUPPET
Victim complex. Stop acting like Arsenal are the only team to get things against them (even though this decision was correct). All teams are on the receiving end of bad decisions. It’s not personal
@@Sidwhite-yb5cv great argument, lad
@TomTom-gs7wy I said we are oddly punished more than any team. Just the three incidents I named are record-breaking stupid. Plenty more. Lemme know
@TomTom-gs7wy decision not correct. Can't take a dead ball kick when it's rolling. Opposing teams stop or pick up the ball returning it to proper place all the time. Stop embarrassing yourself with your extreme bias which makes you act oddly out of character like refs do towards Arsenal
All i see is arsenal fans playing victim, its hilarious
What a waste of time this debate has been. He kicked the ball away, so he got a yellow card. End of story
Right? How are people still talking about this? Rice messed up, deserved the second yellow. Nothing more to say.
Fair enough. Veltman deserved a red card as well.
Why does it matter you won’t win the league anyway
Absolutely unbelievable that you’re still talking about this. Just do a shorter show if you’re this desperate, we’d all prefer it
Love how arsenal fans or the pundits talk about havertz kicking the ball away against villa when he was already on a yellow and should have been sent off. Oh I forgot bias exists
Inconsistency is Injustice. I for sure will keep an eye on yellow cards for delaying the restart this weekend. Letter of the law you say? Wait for these fast talking morons move the goalpost.
Simon always slamming.
If that was Liverpool player you would have played different music danny m
Are we going to have this discussion every week, askimg every former player's opinion? It's done move on.
Declan Rice get second yellow card like someone go to restaurant and take a sugar bag and get caught and put in jail for 3 years. Correct. The guy should break the law and go to the jail. You win and that is in law but no common sense.