Daniels totally turned this conversation around. It started as a not so subtle message that every point expressed in that show is "fictional". Pay attention to the focus points of the interviewer.
Romans 6:16-18 16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. To live is Christ, to die is gain.
Sorry but that just isn't true. The recession has dominated the news for 4 straight years. And as for the occasional mention of Greece and Ireland, yes that is actually there too.
The disciples, the early church, those that saw Jesus. He walked amongst them. He performed miracles. He healed men, resurrected them from the dead. Then He died a brutal death just as the prophets (hundreds or thousands of years earlier) said He would. Then He was resurrected, and ascended to heaven. All the disciples gave their lives preaching the good news. They were severely persecuted. All they had to do was deny the truth, but they wouldn't. They all knew the truth and they died for it.
@Janusha I completely agree with you. It's fucking ridiculous. It's sad when the world is more perceptive of our idiocy then we are. We've built an arsenal that can blow the world up six times but we can't see that education & innovation are the things that'll determine our nations survival. And it's beyond me that we say that we don't have allies because "they're weak & they hate our freedom." We don't have allies because we can't keep our word, have made ignorance a virtue, have killed..
In the Old Testament, David loved God, but he fell into sin, had an affair with another man's wife, then sent the other man to the front lines of battle to die to cover it all up. When David repented, he was grieved by what he had done, and his sin against God. His sin didn't go unpunished, but God did forgive him; even to the point of calling David a man after his own heart. New Testament- Saul killed followers of Christ. God changed his heart, and he became a great man of God.
4. He appeared to several women and the disciples, (all but 1 gave their lives preaching the gospel, John stayed alive and wrote Revelation). Then the book of Acts tells us that He showed himself to over 500 before He ascended to heaven. 5. Nothing at all has been shown to be incorrect in the Bible, but plenty has been proven true. 6. You and other seem to think, from a few articles you may have read, that God answers every prayer that man can think to pray. that is not the way He operates.
God is not the problem here. Rejecting Him wouldn't do much, and having faith in something is not bad. But accepting that God does NOT bless America, and that the government is nor perfect, that might be a start...
I don't think your anymore evil than any of the rest of us. We all have wickedness in our hearts. I am forgiven because I have accepted Jesus' gift of salvation. I struggle with sin. I find myself repenting so often. I wish I could go through a single day without sin, but I can't. That's why God sent his Son. You say you can't believe in a magic man in the sky, but you have to have far greater faith than I do. You have to believe that this simple little popped up from nothing and life began.
No, God doesn't promise to heal all our booboos. What He does promise Christians is suffering and persecution here on earth. He also promises us Hope, Joy, Grace, Mercy and best of all an eternity in His presence and His Glory. He is a good God, And offers the same hope to everyone. The sad part is, He said most would reject His Gospel (good news). I hope and pray for you, that you will someday give an honest look at the real evidence that He has give us. HE is real, and He loves you
The way you're going, the results will be bad. I do hope you'll do an honest investigation of all the facts before you meet the one you say doesn't exist. You're being fooled by the other one you say doesn't exist. The only part of your destiny you control is who you choose to follow. I hope and pray that you will choose to follow the One that died for you instead of the one that chooses death for you. It is your choice.
You're right about greed and silly religions. Jesus warned of both. He warned about people profiting from the gospel and getting rich form it. He also warned about false prophets and false teachers. He knew full well the ramifications of following false teachers. Jesus came to save sinners from Hell. No one else that has ever walked the earth can do that, because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Jesus didn't. He alone could be be the pure unblemished sacrifice for your sins.
You make a lot of assumptions. Saying the reverse about any other country, no matter how true, by any American, would be viewed as hate. Double standard.
I had the same experience myself, I have felt his noodley appendages touch my soul deeply, I know the flying spaghetti monster to be real and you can't prove to me otherwise. You can deny the flying spaghetti monster all you want but in the end you can not escape his tomato sauce. How very sad for you, how very sad. See anyone can put their personal so called experiences as proof, but Its NOT, evidence is testable, and verifiable, personal testimonies do not qualify in the real world.
There are several types of slaves in the Bible. In the OT, many people sold themselves into slavery as a means to support themselves and their families. other were taken in war. The NT speaks mostly about two kinds of people; those that are slaves to sin, and those who are slaves to Christ. John 8:34 Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin". There is no way out of it. You can't be good enough, You can't do enough good things. You're stuck, a slave to sin.
But God, There is a 3rd GREAT AWAKENING IN AMERICA TODAY! God bless our fore fathers who at times of peril in America, they would get together and BOW, "Have we forgotten so Great a Friend." WE HAVE PRAYED BEFORE LET US PRAY NOW! WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL SAVIOR! HEAR US IN AMERICA. REVIVE US AGAIN!
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people that refuse to believe in a god, but more specifically the one true God that told His people, through the prophets, that He would send His Son to pay for the sins of all people. Do you believe in right and wrong? If so, Where do you think you got your conscience ? Evolution? I don't think so. He did send His Son, Jesus, and He did die a horrible death, just as the prophet Isaiah, 700+ years BC said it would happen. HE DIED FOR YOU!
The show is not about God because it would be impossible to keep it going.The show is about US American politics and why it has gone so very wrong.The God talk is referring to the right wing "conservative" party(who are the farthest thing from conservative as it gets)and the right to lifers,all of whom loosely throw about the name of God without having the first clue on what his teachings actually were.The God factor in politics is a huge money maker,bringing millions in yearly for conservatives
So many people, like yourself base their opinions of who God is by what you see in believers in those religions. That is unfortunate. As followers of Jesus, we are supposed to be salt and light on earth; but we fail, we sin, we are human. I would encourage you to seek after God, read His Word, and not look at the unfortunate condition of man to formulate your opinion on who Jesus is and what He has done for you. Christians are sinners and we fall short daily. The key is true repentance.
What actual facts are you talking about? Science? what science, or interpretation of scientific facts are you talking about? Pleas share all these facts with all of us instead of just saying there are some. Thanks
Or, you had a biological perhaps even coincidental experience of good fortune where the only associated memory you could conjure to explain it was that of religious teachings. Compensating for the incomprehensible since our limited nervous system and accumulated knowledge fails to yet explain every activity from the planck scale to the 14-20 billion year bubble we are unable to see past. I think the idea of a creator could only exist if "someone" else created his reality. where does that begin?
Bottom line is that you actually know little about either. You've gained your vast knowledge the same way most evolutionists do. Atheist websites. Tell me what kind of evidence you're looking for, besides creation itself. Do you want to talk about the evidence Jesus came and performed many miracles, gave His life for you and me, rose again, and ascended to heaven. How and why the early church was persecuted? You tell men where you want to start.
Well, you do seem pretty Anti-American to me. To suggest that we focus on other people's problems rather than our own is well... BS. There just isn't any other way to say it- but back to Sorkin/newsroom. The speech from Macavoy would have happened, the reaction to it never would have. College kids these days have heard it all before. You may not wish to believe that, but that doesn't make it false.
Where did thought come from in this evolution process? Where did you get your common sense that helps you to know right from wrong? What do you base your knowledge of right and wrong on? There are a lot of things that we just know are wrong, that aren't necessarily against the law, so how do we know what wrong is? How do you believe evolution can explain all this??? It can't !!! You have common sense because you were born with it. It didn't evolve. God gave it to you.
You have some great arguments... oh wait, you haven't given any arguments. Why don't you tell us all about your loads and loads of evidence in the magic no one from nowhere that does nothing and made everything... from nothing...for nothing... so we could die and return to nothing. Whew. Thats that was an incredibly complex process for your magic nothing, but I guess it was well worth the trouble since nothing doesn't have anything else to do anyway.
I believe in the ONLY true God. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God that told, through the prophets that he would send a Messiah. or a Savior into the world. The God that actually did send the Savior, Jesus Christ into the world just as he told for the salvation of all who would believe in the one He sent I believe in the God that, through the prophets fortold that the Jews would regather in their land before the end would come. They are! There must be ONE true God and 2874 false gods
You may think you've been where I am, but it is painfully obvious that you haven't. Maybe you've been to some kind of church, but I seriously doubt that you even know what the Gospel is. What does it profit you to warn others of the danger of heaven? Do you think you'll have a better reward in nothingville? Man do you have a lot to look forward to. I really envy you.
You must learn to think for yourself instead of going to the atheist websites to gleen all your Bible knowledge. Read the context of the passages you sent me and try to understand, Especially the New Testament passages. Remember this too. Your straw man doesn't disprove anything. No proof? I have a feeling that you wouldn't believe Jesus died if he appeared, showed you his nail scarred hands and parted the Red sea in front of you. That's a hard heart, and a unwilling spirit.
Wow, another made up statement. How many is that now? And clearly, my English is better than yours. But I'm done. You want to be childish and hateful, that's up to you. I can't help if you can't debate honestly.
How many slave do I own? None. I have 5 children living at home though, I make them do my chores. Just kidding! I am glad to hear that if Jesus appeared before you that you would believe. This is the truth. One day, you will meet Jesus face to face, and it will be (depending on whether you have rejected or accepted what He's done for you on the cross) the most fearful thing or the most wonderful thing you will ever imagine. There is hope for you since you haven't hardened your heart completely.
Of course "religious nuts" dispute it, because it's not true. Well, maybe it is in your mind, so all you have to do is convince yourself that your experience is good enough evidence and you're set. That is until you stand before The Lord on judgement day and try to convince Him of your proof of evolution through experience. If you want to be an animal you can pretend to be one. I know I am a man, created as man by the hands of the almighty God. The fool says in his heart there is no God.
I'm glad you wouldn't tell it to your cat. He wouldn't understand intelligence anyway. Just keep telling him all about your other fun things. I think you'll both have a lot more fun that way. What makes you think you were a Christian? What did it mean to you? Have you ever even investigated the evidence of the truth of the Bible? it seems you're mad at someone, so you take it out on God. Maybe I'm wrong, but I' sure you'll correct me. I truly hope the best for you me.
I'm not dismissing criticism itself, I'm dismissing your made up "facts". ou do not posses any ability to read the minds of Americans. If Macavoy was real, I assure you that No college kids in the US (well not a public University anyways) Would *dare* even ask that question. She would have been laughed by a lot of her fellow students and Macavoys speech is nothing college kids haven't heard before a million times. We get beat over the head with it in the media and our classrooms daily.
It's a mystery how Sorkin could do something like the West Wing, an undisputed masterpiece, and then something that falls so short of it like the Newsroom. Maybe he needed the restraints of a network; maybe he forgot that you had to create fully rounded characters or your moral drama just becomes a sermon. The storytelling is still better than most shows, and he created one scene (the first) that people will be watching for a awful long time to come. But by the awesome standards he set in the West Wing the Newsroom is undoubtedly a failure.
As an incredible fan of west wing, I am going to disagree. I find the newsroom to be amazing - it has great characters and more of the absolutely stunning sorkin dialogue. I can agree that it ended too soon - and thus we did not get as much about the characters we would like. However, we are all entitled to our own opinions, and there is nothing wrong with someone who does not think it stand up to the west wing - thats quite the tough act to follow.
I haven't yet seen The West Wing. After reading your comment, I have two questions in my mind. First, how the hell can you call The Newsroom a failure, even in relative terms to ANY drama? Second, if as you say, The Newsroom is really a failure compared to The West Wing, how much more amazing can that show be ? I need to watch it right away.
More like best NEWSeries. Such an uplifting yet grounded show. the best on television
This is art on tv. Best new series.
"We call some people out...we take aim. Art is supposed to challenge and disturb."
Yes, it does.
My New Favourite Show
cant wait for the second season
JEFF DANIELS FOR PRESIDENT !!!!!!!!
Heck yeah!
6:24 Best question!
We need a president like this.
Daniels totally turned this conversation around. It started as a not so subtle message that every point expressed in that show is "fictional". Pay attention to the focus points of the interviewer.
your title is wrong - Sorkin is writer, not director.
Jeff Daniels should do a movie with James Woods!
i hope there more the news room show and wish the show was real
"We didn't scare so easy"
...and the endless possibilities that we said came with our model of freedom. And we have failed.
What is Travers looking at when he introduces himself. Certainly not the camera.
First minute of interview is a little demeaning towards Jeff Daniels it seems. I like him as an actor & it seemed negative. LOVE 'The Newsroom'
Jeff is as cute as a baby rabbit :)
What have to know about "pop culture" is that anyone that is part of "pop culture" would never call it "pop culture".
No we aren't shocked. And the scene that happened at the college never would of happened.
Romans 6:16-18
16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.
18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
To live is Christ, to die is gain.
And I apologize if that sounded aggressive. The trail of thought was merely the possibility.
Andrew didn't write this. I did.
Sorry but that just isn't true. The recession has dominated the news for 4 straight years. And as for the occasional mention of Greece and Ireland, yes that is actually there too.
The disciples, the early church, those that saw Jesus. He walked amongst them. He performed miracles. He healed men, resurrected them from the dead. Then He died a brutal death just as the prophets (hundreds or thousands of years earlier) said He would. Then He was resurrected, and ascended to heaven.
All the disciples gave their lives preaching the good news. They were severely persecuted. All they had to do was deny the truth, but they wouldn't. They all knew the truth and they died for it.
Candidates: Listen,and just do it.
@Janusha I completely agree with you. It's fucking ridiculous. It's sad when the world is more perceptive of our idiocy then we are. We've built an arsenal that can blow the world up six times but we can't see that education & innovation are the things that'll determine our nations survival. And it's beyond me that we say that we don't have allies because "they're weak & they hate our freedom." We don't have allies because we can't keep our word, have made ignorance a virtue, have killed..
In the Old Testament, David loved God, but he fell into sin, had an affair with another man's wife, then sent the other man to the front lines of battle to die to cover it all up. When David repented, he was grieved by what he had done, and his sin against God. His sin didn't go unpunished, but God did forgive him; even to the point of calling David a man after his own heart. New Testament- Saul killed followers of Christ. God changed his heart, and he became a great man of God.
Well I think you've made up another statistic there.
4. He appeared to several women and the disciples, (all but 1 gave their lives preaching the gospel, John stayed alive and wrote Revelation). Then the book of Acts tells us that He showed himself to over 500 before He ascended to heaven.
5. Nothing at all has been shown to be incorrect in the Bible, but plenty has been proven true.
6. You and other seem to think, from a few articles you may have read, that God answers every prayer that man can think to pray. that is not the way He operates.
God is not the problem here. Rejecting Him wouldn't do much, and having faith in something is not bad. But accepting that God does NOT bless America, and that the government is nor perfect, that might be a start...
I don't think your anymore evil than any of the rest of us. We all have wickedness in our hearts. I am forgiven because I have accepted Jesus' gift of salvation. I struggle with sin. I find myself repenting so often. I wish I could go through a single day without sin, but I can't. That's why God sent his Son.
You say you can't believe in a magic man in the sky, but you have to have far greater faith than I do. You have to believe that this simple little popped up from nothing and life began.
No, God doesn't promise to heal all our booboos. What He does promise Christians is suffering and persecution here on earth. He also promises us Hope, Joy, Grace, Mercy and best of all an eternity in His presence and His Glory. He is a good God, And offers the same hope to everyone. The sad part is, He said most would reject His Gospel (good news). I hope and pray for you, that you will someday give an honest look at the real evidence that He has give us. HE is real, and He loves you
The way you're going, the results will be bad. I do hope you'll do an honest investigation of all the facts before you meet the one you say doesn't exist. You're being fooled by the other one you say doesn't exist. The only part of your destiny you control is who you choose to follow. I hope and pray that you will choose to follow the One that died for you instead of the one that chooses death for you. It is your choice.
You're right about greed and silly religions. Jesus warned of both. He warned about people profiting from the gospel and getting rich form it. He also warned about false prophets and false teachers. He knew full well the ramifications of following false teachers.
Jesus came to save sinners from Hell. No one else that has ever walked the earth can do that, because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Jesus didn't.
He alone could be be the pure unblemished sacrifice for your sins.
You make a lot of assumptions. Saying the reverse about any other country, no matter how true, by any American, would be viewed as hate. Double standard.
I had the same experience myself, I have felt his noodley appendages touch my soul deeply, I know the flying spaghetti monster to be real and you can't prove to me otherwise. You can deny the flying spaghetti monster all you want but in the end you can not escape his tomato sauce. How very sad for you, how very sad. See anyone can put their personal so called experiences as proof, but Its NOT, evidence is testable, and verifiable, personal testimonies do not qualify in the real world.
There are several types of slaves in the Bible. In the OT, many people sold themselves into slavery as a means to support themselves and their families. other were taken in war.
The NT speaks mostly about two kinds of people; those that are slaves to sin, and those who are slaves to Christ.
John 8:34
Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin".
There is no way out of it. You can't be good enough, You can't do enough good things. You're stuck, a slave to sin.
But God, There is a 3rd GREAT AWAKENING IN AMERICA TODAY! God bless our fore fathers who at times of peril in America, they would get together and BOW, "Have we forgotten so Great a Friend." WE HAVE PRAYED BEFORE LET US PRAY NOW! WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL SAVIOR! HEAR US IN AMERICA. REVIVE US AGAIN!
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people that refuse to believe in a god, but more specifically the one true God that told His people, through the prophets, that He would send His Son to pay for the sins of all people. Do you believe in right and wrong? If so, Where do you think you got your conscience ? Evolution? I don't think so.
He did send His Son, Jesus, and He did die a horrible death, just as the prophet Isaiah, 700+ years BC said it would happen. HE DIED FOR YOU!
The show is not about God because it would be impossible to keep it going.The show is about US American politics and why it has gone so very wrong.The God talk is referring to the right wing "conservative" party(who are the farthest thing from conservative as it gets)and the right to lifers,all of whom loosely throw about the name of God without having the first clue on what his teachings actually were.The God factor in politics is a huge money maker,bringing millions in yearly for conservatives
"We didn't scare so easily " - much of America can't handle the truths this show lays out - sad.
So many people, like yourself base their opinions of who God is by what you see in believers in those religions. That is unfortunate. As followers of Jesus, we are supposed to be salt and light on earth; but we fail, we sin, we are human. I would encourage you to seek after God, read His Word, and not look at the unfortunate condition of man to formulate your opinion on who Jesus is and what He has done for you. Christians are sinners and we fall short daily. The key is true repentance.
What actual facts are you talking about? Science? what science, or interpretation of scientific facts are you talking about? Pleas share all these facts with all of us instead of just saying there are some. Thanks
Or, you had a biological perhaps even coincidental experience of good fortune where the only associated memory you could conjure to explain it was that of religious teachings. Compensating for the incomprehensible since our limited nervous system and accumulated knowledge fails to yet explain every activity from the planck scale to the 14-20 billion year bubble we are unable to see past. I think the idea of a creator could only exist if "someone" else created his reality. where does that begin?
Bottom line is that you actually know little about either. You've gained your vast knowledge the same way most evolutionists do. Atheist websites.
Tell me what kind of evidence you're looking for, besides creation itself. Do you want to talk about the evidence Jesus came and performed many miracles, gave His life for you and me, rose again, and ascended to heaven. How and why the early church was persecuted? You tell men where you want to start.
Well, you do seem pretty Anti-American to me. To suggest that we focus on other people's problems rather than our own is well... BS. There just isn't any other way to say it- but back to Sorkin/newsroom. The speech from Macavoy would have happened, the reaction to it never would have. College kids these days have heard it all before. You may not wish to believe that, but that doesn't make it false.
Where did thought come from in this evolution process? Where did you get your common sense that helps you to know right from wrong? What do you base your knowledge of right and wrong on? There are a lot of things that we just know are wrong, that aren't necessarily against the law, so how do we know what wrong is?
How do you believe evolution can explain all this??? It can't !!! You have common sense because you were born with it. It didn't evolve. God gave it to you.
No, of course, your not judgmental at all. By the way does it bother you an American knows English better than you?
You have some great arguments... oh wait, you haven't given any arguments. Why don't you tell us all about your loads and loads of evidence in the magic no one from nowhere that does nothing and made everything... from nothing...for nothing... so we could die and return to nothing. Whew. Thats that was an incredibly complex process for your magic nothing, but I guess it was well worth the trouble since nothing doesn't have anything else to do anyway.
I believe in the ONLY true God. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God that told, through the prophets that he would send a Messiah. or a Savior into the world. The God that actually did send the Savior, Jesus Christ into the world just as he told for the salvation of all who would believe in the one He sent
I believe in the God that, through the prophets fortold that the Jews would regather in their land before the end would come. They are! There must be ONE true God and 2874 false gods
You may think you've been where I am, but it is painfully obvious that you haven't. Maybe you've been to some kind of church, but I seriously doubt that you even know what the Gospel is.
What does it profit you to warn others of the danger of heaven?
Do you think you'll have a better reward in nothingville? Man do you have a lot to look forward to. I really envy you.
You must learn to think for yourself instead of going to the atheist websites to gleen all your Bible knowledge. Read the context of the passages you sent me and try to understand, Especially the New Testament passages. Remember this too.
Your straw man doesn't disprove anything.
No proof? I have a feeling that you wouldn't believe Jesus died if he appeared, showed you his nail scarred hands and parted the Red sea in front of you. That's a hard heart, and a unwilling spirit.
Wow, another made up statement. How many is that now? And clearly, my English is better than yours. But I'm done. You want to be childish and hateful, that's up to you. I can't help if you can't debate honestly.
best "news" series, ha ha you see what I did there. . ., .sorry
How many slave do I own? None. I have 5 children living at home though, I make them do my chores. Just kidding!
I am glad to hear that if Jesus appeared before you that you would believe. This is the truth. One day, you will meet Jesus face to face, and it will be (depending on whether you have rejected or accepted what He's done for you on the cross) the most fearful thing or the most wonderful thing you will ever imagine. There is hope for you since you haven't hardened your heart completely.
Of course "religious nuts" dispute it, because it's not true. Well, maybe it is in your mind, so all you have to do is convince yourself that your experience is good enough evidence and you're set. That is until you stand before The Lord on judgement day and try to convince Him of your proof of evolution through experience. If you want to be an animal you can pretend to be one. I know I am a man, created as man by the hands of the almighty God. The fool says in his heart there is no God.
I'm glad you wouldn't tell it to your cat. He wouldn't understand intelligence anyway. Just keep telling him all about your other fun things. I think you'll both have a lot more fun that way.
What makes you think you were a Christian? What did it mean to you? Have you ever even investigated the evidence of the truth of the Bible? it seems you're mad at someone, so you take it out on God. Maybe I'm wrong, but I' sure you'll correct me. I truly hope the best for you me.
I'm not dismissing criticism itself, I'm dismissing your made up "facts". ou do not posses any ability to read the minds of Americans. If Macavoy was real, I assure you that No college kids in the US (well not a public University anyways) Would *dare* even ask that question. She would have been laughed by a lot of her fellow students and Macavoys speech is nothing college kids haven't heard before a million times. We get beat over the head with it in the media and our classrooms daily.
FIRST
the show was the most annoying thing on hbo i've seen on the channel. they got some pointers from chairman chomsky and sorkin went nuts with it.
It's a mystery how Sorkin could do something like the West Wing, an undisputed masterpiece, and then something that falls so short of it like the Newsroom. Maybe he needed the restraints of a network; maybe he forgot that you had to create fully rounded characters or your moral drama just becomes a sermon. The storytelling is still better than most shows, and he created one scene (the first) that people will be watching for a awful long time to come. But by the awesome standards he set in the West Wing the Newsroom is undoubtedly a failure.
As an incredible fan of west wing, I am going to disagree.
I find the newsroom to be amazing - it has great characters and more of the absolutely stunning sorkin dialogue.
I can agree that it ended too soon - and thus we did not get as much about the characters we would like.
However, we are all entitled to our own opinions, and there is nothing wrong with someone who does not think it stand up to the west wing - thats quite the tough act to follow.
I haven't yet seen The West Wing.
After reading your comment, I have two questions in my mind.
First, how the hell can you call The Newsroom a failure, even in relative terms to ANY drama?
Second, if as you say, The Newsroom is really a failure compared to The West Wing, how much more amazing can that show be ? I need to watch it right away.
Really? You think too much. Just enjoy it for what it is.