I just realised when looking through the comments that every single Japanese person here is bitching about the number of 'foreigners' lmao. There is one comment I saw, though..."it's made for foreigners, that's why there's romaji, so they can sing along" like, thanks, Japanese person with sense
I just realised the choreography reflects the lyrics so well. They have parallel or opposite directions and push away from each other in the first two choruses but towards the end when they finally accepted their situation, their movements synched and were in the same direction, and they pushed towards the same direction as well. And while i like that detail, I also like that the fact that even though they went different directions in dancing the first times, they dtill end up going closer to each other with each step and look harmonised (opposites attract?) + How they never really "touch" and instead have lingering close contact, very gingerly and delicate because whenever they go too passionately towards each other, their movements repel :')
For all of you arguing that the age gap is wrong; Vocaloids are completely open-ended, so their lore changes with each song. For example, Rin and Len are twins, right? In a lot of songs, that’s how they’re depicted. But in such songs as Feathers Across the Seasons, they have more of a healthy romantic relationship, though tragic in nature. And in Genealogy of Red White and Black, they aren’t related, and Rin is subjected to sexual violence at the hands of Len. So all in all, “Miku is 16 and Luka is 20, they can’t be partners” logic doesn’t work. They could be aged up in this song, or perhaps both are minors and in love, etc etc. Let the lesbians lesbian, they’re good. Thank you for reading
LOL no. You don't sing songs being the "protagonist" so to say, lyrics are storytelling, sometimes they are about the author's experiences but they def don't NEED to. Singing is a performance as much as acting, the point is to feel like the character of the songs perspective in order to convey the songs feeling, not to state factual statements. I can perfectly sing Hotel California without ever been in a hotel
@@nicocee2431 Did you comment that on the wrong post, because what does that have to do with Rin and Len or Luka and Miku being able to date each other? You’re arguing FOR me, but saying “LOL no”. And also, your storytelling argument is completely wrong. Imagery is very important to storytelling, you might want to be with the protagonist in Hotel California to experience the confusing nightmare that is that hotel. Great song btw, big part of my childhood nostalgia. Anyway, you’re contradicting yourself and not addressing my comment on the slightest. I don’t know what you’re on about, but it’s wrong
@@FluidityContents No. You said "their lore changes" therefore the age gap is ok, I'm saying the lore doesn't change at all, the character is the same but it has to PERFORM a different role. You are saying Jack Dawson in Titanic and Jordan Belfort in Wolf of Wall Street are the same person with a lore retcon. I'm saying Leonardo DiCaprio performed Jack Dawson in Titanic and Jordan Belfort in Wolf of Wall Street. Jack and Jordan and DiCaprio aren't the same person with a lore change, DiCaprio played a version of Dawson and Belfort, these are entities fully separate from Leonardo and the only thing connecting them is DiCaprio being the tool used to tell their stories. You are saying Miku in one song is a polka dancer yet in the next one she is suddenly a lesbian in a romance to be a mercenary the next time she appears like everytime. I'm saying these 3 characters come from the lyrics Miku is playing and are not a representation of Miku itself, singing a love song with another dude won't make you gay, liking men would
@@nicocee2431 Comparing Vocaloids and actual actors doesn’t work. Hatsune Miku isn’t a real person like DiCaprio- she IS her role in a song, but DiCaprio might merely be PLAYING a role in a movie. It’s inherently wrong to compare an actual, real person to a fictional anime girl like that, using the logic “Hatsune Miku is an actress like Anne Hathaway; neither entirely become their role”. The only thing real about Miku is the actual real person writing her stories and her songs. Using my Anne Hathaway example again just because she was the first person to come to mind, when Hathaway is offered a script, she CHOOSES to take on that character, and acts out said character in her own style or way. Miku is a robot. She doesn’t CHOOSE anything, she’s a voicebank that is interpreted, changed, and used by a writer or music producer and BECOMES what that writer envisions. She isn’t a human. Then again, my original point about interpretation still stands, so believe what you want.
Alpha Thot isn't that great anime loving homophobic people that watch this (hopefully) won't be afraid of homosexual people Yaaay they don't hate me anymore
12 years old me : wait ,thats gay? 17 years old me : wait ,Im gay? Edit(2024): I'm 21 and still a lesbian, good day guys! (I'll probably update again at some random time when I remember in the future, lol. See you all!)
I legit introduced Luka as a lesbian to my family because of this song lmao back when I discovered Vocaloid, they were more accepting towards her than they were with me lol
Lesbians have it way easier to be socially accepted than gays, that's common to have shit stuff like this in our modern hypocritical world, because they're women and people tend to forgive things to a woman a lot more than if it was a man.
Random guy with a baseball batte it’s because people like to fetishize lesbians and call us hot, so the way we’re viewed is less likely to be reacted to with anger lmao. That’s not acceptance or tolerance, by the way.
@@Carpatouille Why are you bringing up gays in a lesbian thread? Everyone deals with it differently, just because gays may have it worse where you live it's not the case everywhere else. Also what Silent Kitten said.
You're a special kind of moron if you don't know why i'm bringing up gays with the comment of the OP. Also if you have nothing more to add to what was already said, maybe you should restrain yourself from commenting shit while trying to be a a smartass. And my own comment still holds truth in what happens in the real world, go outside if you think gays don't have it worst, and tell people around you you're gay, and i'm not talking about close friends and/or family (who also may or may not accept you if they happen to know it). Try to let people know you're gay with people you work with and stuff, and you will see what kind of shit people will talk about you on your back and what kind of comments people will give you. And then tell me again how gays don't have it worst.
@@Carpatouille ........lmao what does that have to do w the comment......different people experience different kinds of homophobia and none of them is worse or better. just because we're sexualized and fetichized it doesn't mean "we have it easier" than gay men
Just change the vocaloids and it can have a completely different meaning. If you use Len and Rin, it can be about incest (I know that they aren't "officially" related, but many people consider them to be twins)
mbrillon 765 mbrillon 765 actually, no. acording to the vocaloid wiki, this is a song about forbidden love because the two lovers are girls and they feel that what they are doing is wrong because society says so
I watched this in 6th grade and was like "wow they're really good friends! Omg me and my friend should sing this together!" turns out, I'm just a massive lesbian
Carly Does Some Stuff there can be. In my country, two people who love each other can hardly get married because of religion/belief difference, even though they are opposite sex couple.
@Musfera Alam actually no cuz gay has another meaning and that meaning is happy or "happiness" example: "i am gay" could also mean "i am happy" and we dont have a male and female "happy" in english but yes we do associate gays with homosexual guys more then homosexual girls but its no different even though we use it way less then "lesbians" for girls
erasure of homosexuality within media is inherently homophobic btw in regards to the discourse down there lmao. youre allowed to not ship it or whatever but this song is literally about two girls who love each other and while you can see them as both being heterosexual, in this song they are playing two girls who are not.
I could totally imagine Shizuku and Airi singing this, I feel like their voices would go really well with the song's vibe. Plus they already have a fruity moment in Romeo & Cinderella, so why not a whole song? Lol.
looking at these comments, I am pleased to see that the lesbians have taken control of this song as it was always meant to be. I can remember a time back when I was in college and the comments on this were full of people trying to be like NOO THESE TWO WOMEN SINGING A LOVE SONG TO EACH OTHER ARE EACH SINGING TO UNSEEN BOYFRIENDS. NOOOO THERE'S NOTHING GAY HERE.
hijo: Mama porque mi hermana se llama rosa? yo: Porque me gustan mucho las flores hijo: gracias mama yo: Denada [60fps Full風] Magnet マグネット-Hatsune Miku Megurine Luka 初音ミク 巡音ルカ DIVA English lyrics romaji subtitles
I'm not even gay but yeah, thats kinda a mean thing to say about a song :/ I mean, it's a beautiful song, it carries a beautiful message, it pushes acceptance, the voices are beautiful... What's not to love?
Tell me, is it wrong for people to go, ''keep your sexuality to yourself, I don't want to hear if you gay or not.'' Isn't that supposed to be how gays and lesbians want themselves to be perceived? As someone who's sexuality doesn't define their moral character and personhood?
Dice MM you’re right about the last bit but telling people you want them to keep it to themselves is uncool. if someone is comfortable sharing that, they should be able to do so without being chastised for it. so yeah gonna say that’s a little wrong bro. also yes it shouldn’t be a defining factor but people wouldn’t get mad if others shared something like their hair color (also a part of themselves, not important to their character but still a part of them) and i don’t think being comfortable enough with your people preferences to share it should be discouraged. it can be a way to vent to people online who understand when one can’t express that to people irl who could shut them out because of it and it can feel like a burden to keep that part of yourself bottled up because when the topic of dating, crushes, etc comes up you’re afraid to say anything because you know you might be judged by someone who hears. doing it online is much safer if people don’t know who you are when you need someone to turn to but there’s no one irl
Dude omfg when I was like 10-11 I watched the sweet devil pv on UA-cam and being a little kid I was like 😳🤯 and I still didn’t realize that I had the option to like women my brain didn’t register “I think miku is hot” at all so I was just hella confused what emotion that was. Then when I was 12 I googled “can you like guys and girls at the same time” and now I’m bisexual 🤷♀️
Watched this when I was 9 and I jammed to this every day I swear, and I thought it was normal for girls to be together and I thought it was super cute. 5 years later. Same mindset, different sexuality.
That's actually because this game's physic are very delicate so Sega just animated stuff with the models unable to touch each other or even themselves lol You can notice in some songs were they are supposed to touch their hips but the hand never reaches
The butterfly imagery reminds me of the butterfly lovers, forbidden lovers whose souls, upon death, transformed into butterflies and were finally united
When I was 12 I thought I was a boy and thus immune to becoming a lesbian but... Miku and Luka arranged things around so that me loving women would be gay those damn geniuses
The reason is that the second verse isn't in the song in game so he had to repeat the first one and with each verse's lyrics changing it still has the lipsyncing of the first verse.
-Cherry Tomatoes- Yeah, I find that weird. Miku's hair should be longer than it actually is when it is out, yet they made it the same length as Luka's...
Oh thank god, I'm not the only one that was a bit peeved by that. They just- They don't match anything?? Except her eyes?? And not even then?? It would have been better pink, or white for ironic purity
so many comments about people watching this when they were 13 and how they turned gay.. I'm 14 and just discovered this (although I'm pretty sure I've heard this song before somewhere) so I guess I'm gay now epic
I actually came across the animation version of this and i didn't expect to see luka frick miku lmao anywas im 14 i wonder if ill be gay cause theirs a bunch of comments saying they saw this in age 13-14 and now their gay lmao......
@@leniee2125 sorry if your comment was a joke but- turning gay because of a video is a joke lmao, they’re joking saying that your gayness is already in your dna, you can’t turn gay watching gays, gay videos, gay songs or things like that lol
12 year old me: I really like this song and the meaning behind the lyrics, but that doesn't mean I'm gay... right? Present me: You fool. You absolute fool.
@@goblingab22 No there are actually people who will jump through the weirdest mental hoops to believe something isn't gay. We love r/sapphoandherfriend
Who even taught that it was heterosexual ? When I was 12, there was a bunch of art flooding around about the song, and the art that everyone did when doing cover is the one with Miku and Luka mouth almost touching with their butterfley headband. Most of the cover were also made in the same gender, some utaite even changed the song lyrics to make it even more sexual, a lot of fans were doing cosplay of it. Like, for real, who taught that it was heterosexual ? Gay things are flooding in the fandom pretty much since the beginning of the fandom
I missed the whole vocaloid phenomenon, saw a post on r/SapphoAndHerFriend about Magnet... I don't know why everyone thinks that theyre lesbian. Clearly they're just really good friends, you know the kind of friends who can't find a yone else to marry so they marry each other and decide to raise kids together and kiss and stuff. Doesn't make them gay. /s
Man, it’s been YEARS since I last heard this song. I stopped when I got my first iphone, but I’m glad I came upon this again. I kept listening to this song while I was closeted and kept trying to figure myself out, so this makes me feel nostalgic
Listened to this a good five years ago... ...now I’m bi. Update: Yeah so turns out I’m aromantic asexual actually, but i still kinda owe some thanks to magnet for contributing to the realization i’m not straight.
Whem I first began watching this, I was like "Oh! Miku and her friend are spicy flirtatious girls who want love! I think they're friends who maybe love 2 other men( like a double date) but I still thought it was weird. Finished with the vid, I was *OHHHHHHH THAT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE*
Gotta theory on this: I've been wondering why none of their outfits match each other but I figured it out Like a magnet the opposite ends are drawn towards each other so to signify that they wore opposite outfits
The moment I first met you I felt an ache to never be apart Without any warning my love burned deep like fire in my heart The butterflies you gave me made me feel warm and never seemed to leave I found that I was aching to give you every piece of me I’m entranced by every step I see you take, And I lose myself to your fingertips Though I know our love should never come to light It’s hard to fight something that feels so right I want to feel you holding me I want to hear you telling me Just tell me that our love is not a mistake, before it’s too late, Kiss me intensely, show me a world I’ve never seen I want to drown in your scent and all your charm, I never want to be apart Every passing moment makes it harder to control myself If this is love why is it that we cannot be true to ourselves? Longing for your warm embrace just drives me to insanity I’d go to the ends of the earth, for you I’d do anything If ever you found my heart was led astray, and it seemed my love had faded away When I saw you next and felt your warm embrace it’d be as if nothing had ever changed Our love feels like a fantasy, I feel so high when you’re with me But we know that we don’t stand a chance in this cruel reality I would risk it all, I’m here to catch you when you fall You are my world and the reason I’m alive, I never want to leave your side When the morning comes the day is shining bright, but I can’t help but continue to cry Though you told me everything would be alright, you couldn’t hide the tears behind your smile I want to feel you holding me I want to hear you telling me Just tell me that our love is not a mistake, before it’s too late, Kiss me intensely, show me a world I’ve never seen I want to drown in your scent, and all you are, never leave baby Yes it’s wrong but yet, I’m drawn to you like a MAGNET For even if our love somehow went off track, we would still come back I would risk it all, I’m here to catch you when you fall You are my world and the reason I’m alive, I never want to leave your side
... Pit of Vocaloid? More like the pit... of hell... and once you're in hell... you can never get out... hehehehehehe.... So welcome to the vocaloid world! Where everyone gets their fair share of ships, and where cute girls and boys sing depressing songs very happily! And don't go to the darkest area called I'm Sorry I'm Sorry... You're innocence will vanish in seconds if you see the English lyrics... So welcome!!!
![[60fps Full風] サンドリヨン Cendrillon - Hatsune Miku KAITO 初音ミク カイト Project DIVA English lyrics Romaji PDA](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ns7jeST41SM/mqdefault.jpg)
![[60fps Full風] サンドリヨン Cendrillon - Hatsune Miku KAITO 初音ミク カイト Project DIVA English lyrics Romaji PDA](/img/tr.png)
![[1080P Full風] Luka Luka★Night Fever ルカルカ★ナイトフィーバー 巡音ルカ Project DIVA English lyrics romaji subtitles](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ScSW9C3DF18/mqdefault.jpg)
*Miku:* I have feelings for you
*Luka:* I have feelings for you
*Historians:* the feeling was friendship
*but neither had ever experienced it*
Yep.
Miku is 19 luka is 21
16* I thought I wrote 16 not 19 sorry 💀
@@w4ffl321 they’re vocaloids
@@Imtoobusyslayingrn111 exactly
Historians: they were very good friends
FBI thanks fbi, very cool 😎
FBI bruh how come I see you in every comment section ever
@@smochuz2722 it really be like that>
FBI HAHAHAHAHA
*with benefits*
I just realised when looking through the comments that every single Japanese person here is bitching about the number of 'foreigners' lmao. There is one comment I saw, though..."it's made for foreigners, that's why there's romaji, so they can sing along" like, thanks, Japanese person with sense
Exactly
yesssss
Can't they watch it on Nico Nico or wherever? Why come on an obviously English video to bitch about "too many foreigners" .
I’m Japanese, and I’m happy that people from other countries are liking vocaloid songs.
@@timepickle8443 They recently deleted it on niconico.
I just realised the choreography reflects the lyrics so well. They have parallel or opposite directions and push away from each other in the first two choruses but towards the end when they finally accepted their situation, their movements synched and were in the same direction, and they pushed towards the same direction as well.
And while i like that detail, I also like that the fact that even though they went different directions in dancing the first times, they dtill end up going closer to each other with each step and look harmonised (opposites attract?)
+ How they never really "touch" and instead have lingering close contact, very gingerly and delicate because whenever they go too passionately towards each other, their movements repel :')
MAGNETS ATTRACT
You managed to make a gay song even gayer, congrats
function graphs appear in my head..
Yeah, I remember when Sega put effort into the Project Diva videos...and they didn't just use a songs original PV for their games.
@@yiyunzhuo5991 hola
At this point if your favorite vocaloid was luka you’re most likely mega gay, myself included
Can confirm this is true
She has such a buttery voice,and nice jungas
My favorite vocaloids are Miku, Luka and Kaito, and I'm bi.
i can also confirm after watching blackjack's pv it turned me gay
luka was my favorite back then now i'm a transboy who likes len
Everyone talking bout the gays and im here admiring the hair and skirt physics
Same
i’m admiring both
Every visual about this song for me is a star/10
what if,, the physics are gay???
i’m more focused on the hair but yea
can't believe my dad turned me into a lesbian when he got me a miku figure at age 10
Peppa Is Idiot
+ ლ Karen Games ლ Fabyrockkawaii
Um... you alright dude?
@@lavii3355 Yes
He didn't make you gay, he simply embraced it.
Woah...
For all of you arguing that the age gap is wrong; Vocaloids are completely open-ended, so their lore changes with each song. For example, Rin and Len are twins, right? In a lot of songs, that’s how they’re depicted. But in such songs as Feathers Across the Seasons, they have more of a healthy romantic relationship, though tragic in nature. And in Genealogy of Red White and Black, they aren’t related, and Rin is subjected to sexual violence at the hands of Len.
So all in all, “Miku is 16 and Luka is 20, they can’t be partners” logic doesn’t work. They could be aged up in this song, or perhaps both are minors and in love, etc etc. Let the lesbians lesbian, they’re good. Thank you for reading
Finally someone who got it
LOL no. You don't sing songs being the "protagonist" so to say, lyrics are storytelling, sometimes they are about the author's experiences but they def don't NEED to. Singing is a performance as much as acting, the point is to feel like the character of the songs perspective in order to convey the songs feeling, not to state factual statements. I can perfectly sing Hotel California without ever been in a hotel
@@nicocee2431 Did you comment that on the wrong post, because what does that have to do with Rin and Len or Luka and Miku being able to date each other? You’re arguing FOR me, but saying “LOL no”. And also, your storytelling argument is completely wrong. Imagery is very important to storytelling, you might want to be with the protagonist in Hotel California to experience the confusing nightmare that is that hotel. Great song btw, big part of my childhood nostalgia.
Anyway, you’re contradicting yourself and not addressing my comment on the slightest. I don’t know what you’re on about, but it’s wrong
@@FluidityContents No. You said "their lore changes" therefore the age gap is ok, I'm saying the lore doesn't change at all, the character is the same but it has to PERFORM a different role.
You are saying Jack Dawson in Titanic and Jordan Belfort in Wolf of Wall Street are the same person with a lore retcon. I'm saying Leonardo DiCaprio performed Jack Dawson in Titanic and Jordan Belfort in Wolf of Wall Street. Jack and Jordan and DiCaprio aren't the same person with a lore change, DiCaprio played a version of Dawson and Belfort, these are entities fully separate from Leonardo and the only thing connecting them is DiCaprio being the tool used to tell their stories.
You are saying Miku in one song is a polka dancer yet in the next one she is suddenly a lesbian in a romance to be a mercenary the next time she appears like everytime. I'm saying these 3 characters come from the lyrics Miku is playing and are not a representation of Miku itself, singing a love song with another dude won't make you gay, liking men would
@@nicocee2431 Comparing Vocaloids and actual actors doesn’t work. Hatsune Miku isn’t a real person like DiCaprio- she IS her role in a song, but DiCaprio might merely be PLAYING a role in a movie. It’s inherently wrong to compare an actual, real person to a fictional anime girl like that, using the logic “Hatsune Miku is an actress like Anne Hathaway; neither entirely become their role”. The only thing real about Miku is the actual real person writing her stories and her songs. Using my Anne Hathaway example again just because she was the first person to come to mind, when Hathaway is offered a script, she CHOOSES to take on that character, and acts out said character in her own style or way. Miku is a robot. She doesn’t CHOOSE anything, she’s a voicebank that is interpreted, changed, and used by a writer or music producer and BECOMES what that writer envisions. She isn’t a human.
Then again, my original point about interpretation still stands, so believe what you want.
Historians: Oh my god, they were roommates
they we're: ~VeRy gOoD fRiEnDs~
Fools, all of you.
They were obviously lab partners.
Just gals being pals
@@BeeLy1011*cough* Stein's:Gates *cough*
Did you mean: *SOULmates?
My brain when I tell my family I'm definitely straight:
LMAO
when you have a kakegurui pfp, you definitely can't be straight.
@@yugumire5398 What about Daganronpa? Guess if I’m straight.
Some random animator you’re probs bi
Same
i cant believe hatsune miku destroyed homophobia
Alpha Thot isn't that great anime loving homophobic people that watch this (hopefully) won't be afraid of homosexual people
Yaaay they don't hate me anymore
haha straight people afraid to admit she and luka are lesbians
Bruh no one is homophobic in the real world. People don't give a shit any more. That's all.
MechBoltXL That’s a big fat lie, if I’ve ever seen one.
@@alphascore7216 I see more heterophobes than homophobes
か細い火が 心の端に灯る
いつの間にか燃え広がる熱情
私の蝶 不規則に飛び回り
あなたの手に鱗粉を付けた
絡み合う指ほどいて
唇から舌へと
許されない事ならば 尚更燃え上がるの
抱き寄せて欲しい 確かめて欲しい
間違いなど無いんだと 思わせて
キスをして 塗り替えて欲しい
魅惑の時に酔いしれ溺れていたいの
束縛して もっと必要として
愛しいなら執着を見せつけて
「おかしい」のが たまらなく好きになる
行けるトコまで行けばいいよ
迷い込んだ心なら
簡単に融けてゆく
優しさなんて感じる暇など 無い位に
繰り返したのは あの夢じゃなくて
紛れも無い現実の私達
触れてから 戻れないと知る それでいいの…
誰よりも大切なあなた
夜明けが来ると不安で 泣いてしまう私に
「大丈夫」と囁いたあなたも 泣いていたの？
抱き寄せて欲しい 確かめて欲しい
間違いなど無いんだと 思わせて
キスをして 塗り替えて欲しい 魅惑の時に
酔いしれ溺れたい
引き寄せて マグネットのように
例えいつか離れても巡り会う
触れていて 戻れなくていい それでいいの
誰よりも大切なあなた
12 years old me : wait ,thats gay?
17 years old me : wait ,Im gay?
Edit(2024): I'm 21 and still a lesbian, good day guys!
(I'll probably update again at some random time when I remember in the future, lol. See you all!)
I mean bi but im with my gf now so...
UwU
;)
We Are!
always has been
Dude Luka in ponytail should be a religion, prove me wrong
it IS my religion
That is my religion
Amen
but your forgetting len with long hair
I like your pfp
you were not born gay its just that you listened to magnet when you were 8 years old and miku and luka decided for you
Why is this true
this and sailor moon
Unfortunately I'm gay for fictional characters and no one likes me irl sad life
True
but I'm ace
can we talk about their dancing? how they go close together but pull apart as quickly to make such a cool choreography!
Miku's outfit is named "Butterfly"
Luka's outfit is named "Flower"
Perfect. Butterflies suck flowers.
I can't OMG, you are the best person on the internet now.
i love this comment
Oh fuck tou
+JpGaming Jeez, don't be rude.
Andere Chan - The Ender Pearl Girl Joke -.-
I legit introduced Luka as a lesbian to my family because of this song lmao back when I discovered Vocaloid, they were more accepting towards her than they were with me lol
Lesbians have it way easier to be socially accepted than gays, that's common to have shit stuff like this in our modern hypocritical world, because they're women and people tend to forgive things to a woman a lot more than if it was a man.
Random guy with a baseball batte it’s because people like to fetishize lesbians and call us hot, so the way we’re viewed is less likely to be reacted to with anger lmao. That’s not acceptance or tolerance, by the way.
@@Carpatouille Why are you bringing up gays in a lesbian thread? Everyone deals with it differently, just because gays may have it worse where you live it's not the case everywhere else. Also what Silent Kitten said.
You're a special kind of moron if you don't know why i'm bringing up gays with the comment of the OP. Also if you have nothing more to add to what was already said, maybe you should restrain yourself from commenting shit while trying to be a a smartass.
And my own comment still holds truth in what happens in the real world, go outside if you think gays don't have it worst, and tell people around you you're gay, and i'm not talking about close friends and/or family (who also may or may not accept you if they happen to know it). Try to let people know you're gay with people you work with and stuff, and you will see what kind of shit people will talk about you on your back and what kind of comments people will give you. And then tell me again how gays don't have it worst.
@@Carpatouille ........lmao what does that have to do w the comment......different people experience different kinds of homophobia and none of them is worse or better. just because we're sexualized and fetichized it doesn't mean "we have it easier" than gay men
omg i can't believe people actually believe this is a straight song, there's literally no heterosexual explanation for this
Just change the vocaloids and it can have a completely different meaning. If you use Len and Rin, it can be about incest (I know that they aren't "officially" related, but many people consider them to be twins)
@@mbrillon765 We already have Adolesence, please don't put that image in my head haha
mbrillon 765 mbrillon 765 actually, no. acording to the vocaloid wiki, this is a song about forbidden love because the two lovers are girls and they feel that what they are doing is wrong because society says so
@@niiknook
Miku also had another forbidden love for Rin in Knife
ѕedaтeѕodιѕѕel yep!
Miku and Luka saying in unison:
*WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE*
I searched “Hatsune Miku Lesbian Song” to find this.
Did it show up by searching that tho!🤠the people want to know 😏
@@chuuthechuurro2762 yea
@@k_catboy omg can't believe the fandom made that happen 😂
I searched up:
"Miku and Luka lesbian song that's rlly catchy"
lmaooooooo
I watched this in 6th grade and was like "wow they're really good friends! Omg me and my friend should sing this together!" turns out, I'm just a massive lesbian
lol
“I want you to kiss me. I want you to remake me.”
Ah seems about f r i e n d s to me
@@mezi1385 I got scared when I recieved this notification-
sappho being miku, len/kaito being mr allcocks from man island
Same, I ask her if we can sing this
Glad she doesn't
miku created wlw culture. as well as writing harry potter and developing minecraft. shit is wild
so true >:( mikus a goddess
i can’t believe she has that kind of range. miku for president
all hail miku
Mi-ku, Mi-ku, Mi-ku!
she collabed with philza minecraft on creating minecraft, and then they gave it to jeb and agnes. im so proud that miku is my president
hatsune miku created lesbianism and decided to share it with us. we should be grateful.
and i will be forever grateful to miku and luka for that
so generous of her
She's so kind
Miku = Sappho?!?
@@ad.kaiser Sappho was a well-known disciple of Miku
6 years later and this STILL goes hard
edit: 10 yrs later… and still going hard…
I mean, it's my favorite Vocaloid song.
7 years later and this still goes hard
7 years 😞
This song will never stop going hard
Eight years later still going strong
There's no heterosexual explanation for this
Carly Does Some Stuff there can be. In my country, two people who love each other can hardly get married because of religion/belief difference, even though they are opposite sex couple.
@@ahmadfauzanbagaskoro7642 And what? Magnet isnt a song meant to be gay marriage between Miku and Luka.
@Musfera Alam ahem, gay in the phrase "gay mariage" means for both
@Musfera Alam actually no cuz gay has another meaning and that meaning is happy or "happiness" example: "i am gay" could also mean "i am happy" and we dont have a male and female "happy" in english but yes we do associate gays with homosexual guys more then homosexual girls but its no different even though we use it way less then "lesbians" for girls
@Musfera Alam The definition of gay is unisex.
this song is straight up beautifu-
wait, not straight
Gay up Beautiful 🙄
lesbian up beautiful
gay up gorgeous
Lesbian up friendly
Wait, isnt Luka 20 and Miku 16?
cant believe miku and luka invented lesbianism
Lol
erasure of homosexuality within media is inherently homophobic btw in regards to the discourse down there lmao.
youre allowed to not ship it or whatever but this song is literally about two girls who love each other and while you can see them as both being heterosexual, in this song they are playing two girls who are not.
Cody Brown thank god
Cody Brown good fucking post
Great post
Finally. Someone with logic.
Cody Brown Finally a person with sense my god
I'm pretty sure my vocaloid phase when I was a kid years ago turned me gay
Kitsu this is the single biggest Mood in vocaloid i stg
BIG MOOD
SAME
same this song makes me like girls
ikr
"MOVE, I'M GAY" but in song form
*nods*
no one was born gay everyone just watched this when they were 12
i dont see the lie
watched this at age 9 and can confirm i am now a raging homo
I watch this when Im 5
@@lmao521 are you gay
Wait a minute
Everyone is talking about how gay this song is, but no one is talking about how good it is!
same thing
I don’t understand the lyrics so I just think it is a good song
@@truckunuwu2898 What does that even mean?
wdym same thing bro
@Lakshmi same here
everyone's talking about how this caused their gay awakening,, jokes on you i already had mine and this song just powers me like battery acid
SAME
same
Same
LMAO SAME
SAME ABHAH
Hatsune Miku said gay rights
yes!!!!
so miku threw the first brick at stonewall and also created minecraft??? a legend, i stan
miku IS gay
helllllo im right here im bisexual
we stan a skinny legend
manifesting for this song to be added in project sekai
I hope shizuairi is the sekai version
I could totally imagine Shizuku and Airi singing this, I feel like their voices would go really well with the song's vibe.
Plus they already have a fruity moment in Romeo & Cinderella, so why not a whole song? Lol.
i will absolutely pray for it to be a shizuai version
@@o-kiku3939 and shizuairi is already implied
i would give my right kidney to see a shizuairi magnet cover in pjsk. please sega bless us with the gays
2:02 guys please see the end of the lyrics do you notice it's said
"Tender each othe "
O T H E
O T H E Humanity
*yes kokichi*.
*O T H E*
looking at these comments, I am pleased to see that the lesbians have taken control of this song as it was always meant to be. I can remember a time back when I was in college and the comments on this were full of people trying to be like NOO THESE TWO WOMEN SINGING A LOVE SONG TO EACH OTHER ARE EACH SINGING TO UNSEEN BOYFRIENDS. NOOOO THERE'S NOTHING GAY HERE.
Wait, "unseen boyfriends"??? I've seen some bs when the comments where still filled with naysayers but damn this is new LMFAOOOO
its OUR song now😂
@@spoon.doggle5506 always has been 🔫
ajshdkssjfjsjd ngl that was me but then fast forward 6 years I realized I was just lesbian with internalized homophobia 🤡
LMAO those comments are gold
hijo: Mama porque mi hermana se llama rosa?
yo: Porque me gustan mucho las flores
hijo: gracias mama
yo: Denada [60fps Full風] Magnet マグネット-Hatsune Miku Megurine Luka 初音ミク 巡音ルカ DIVA English lyrics romaji subtitles
JAJAJAJA TE MAMASTE
AJAJJAJSJAJA😭
XDDDD
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
jJAJAJAJA
初期ボカロソングの代表曲といっても過言ではない名曲
remember like five years ago when we were all like ‘ThIS SOng RuiNED VocALOId’ and now like 95% of us are gay
I'm not even gay but yeah, thats kinda a mean thing to say about a song :/
I mean, it's a beautiful song, it carries a beautiful message, it pushes acceptance, the voices are beautiful...
What's not to love?
been a bi even before magnet was relesed and this song will always be my gay anthem
cedar ya
Yes 😌
@@danangali boy x boy means yaoi acually
Their dance moves are more successful than my future
Mia Kothapally mood
I agree
THATS A MOODDDDDDDD
Mood
Fr tho
This song literally hit different when I was 13 and having feelings for a girl, I’m glad I discovered this when I needed the most.
Yes people, ship the toothless holograms! SHIP THEM!!!
Seeme - lol
Holy shoot I never noticed that. THEY DON'T HAVE TEETH!
They do have teeth. It least Rin did in Kokoro. I watched the video.
Lmao
SAME!!!!
Miku and Luka: 'looking like they're about to kiss'
Everyone watching: *OH MY GOD OKAY ITS HAPPENING*
Everyone when they don't: "....... FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-!"
jaj
a re yoo amiga !!
UJJAjsjasjjsjajhsajhasjhsjhsaJHDJHASDKFADSDSDJHAKJHAD SAMEMMEEEEEEEEEEEE COMO DIARREAAA
@@carloscarle9939 yes queen, go off (?)
the amount of likes angers me
Homophobos: Hmmm what's the straightest explanation for this?
Everyone else: *There is none*
“Homophobos”
I think you mean just people who interpret the song a different way like most people do with vocaloid songs.
Tell me, is it wrong for people to go, ''keep your sexuality to yourself, I don't want to hear if you gay or not.''
Isn't that supposed to be how gays and lesbians want themselves to be perceived? As someone who's sexuality doesn't define their moral character and personhood?
KittyKat lol this is one of those songs that you reeeeally can’t interpret differently,,
Dice MM you’re right about the last bit but telling people you want them to keep it to themselves is uncool. if someone is comfortable sharing that, they should be able to do so without being chastised for it. so yeah gonna say that’s a little wrong bro.
also yes it shouldn’t be a defining factor but people wouldn’t get mad if others shared something like their hair color (also a part of themselves, not important to their character but still a part of them) and i don’t think being comfortable enough with your people preferences to share it should be discouraged. it can be a way to vent to people online who understand when one can’t express that to people irl who could shut them out because of it and it can feel like a burden to keep that part of yourself bottled up because when the topic of dating, crushes, etc comes up you’re afraid to say anything because you know you might be judged by someone who hears. doing it online is much safer if people don’t know who you are when you need someone to turn to but there’s no one irl
@@baldkiwi444 bruh you go around telling everyone you're homophobic? no one asked, kinda cringe ngl
9 years later and it still goes hard
I miss that Vocaloid 😢
Fr
Hatsune miku being gay:
The guy that married her:👁️💧👄💧👁️
Let's pretend that didn't happen
She's bi
Wait Miku *is 16* 😃
LMAO I THOUGHT THE SAME THING I SWEAR TO GOD
I remember I saw somewhere that a school principal married a Miku plushie-
oh my god I had a lesbian ship before I even knew was gay was-
Me too :')
Same. When I listened to this when I was 12, I searched a bunch of Miku and Luka songs and I didn't even know what Yuri was
@Maryam Khairi
they're talking about like. 7 year olds i think
Haha... I shipped blue and magenta from blues clues
@@amethyst4578 GOD SAME
My friends: “what’s your favorite vocoloid song?”
Me: *gay*
It’s been 7 years, and I am still listening to this song 🌸
I can remember 11 year old me watching this and being like ":0 girls??? with girls????? is that allowed????"
I'm lesbian now
10 year old me: girls with girls?? hmm, then boys can be with boys, or no??🧐😟
19 year old me now: a hopeless romantic gay man😭
@@itsbenn_ you get it my dude, you get it
Dude omfg when I was like 10-11 I watched the sweet devil pv on UA-cam and being a little kid I was like 😳🤯 and I still didn’t realize that I had the option to like women my brain didn’t register “I think miku is hot” at all so I was just hella confused what emotion that was. Then when I was 12 I googled “can you like guys and girls at the same time” and now I’m bisexual 🤷♀️
I REMEMBER SEEING LIKE THE MIKU X LUKA SHIP AND HAVING NO PROBLEM WITH IT AND NOW IM BI
I remember forgetting to plug in my headphones all the way while listening to at school
I think I’m lucky nobody in my class knew Japanese-
Watched this when I was 9 and I jammed to this every day I swear, and I thought it was normal for girls to be together and I thought it was super cute.
5 years later.
Same mindset, different sexuality.
lmao, I mean same but turns out I’m trans too so that was a different Japanese song realisation *cough cough villian cough cough*
same.
and you were right!
Tbh all girls should be les
well, it IS normal
listened to this when i was like 13 and now im gay
Same
Same
and its ur pfp💀💀
Same 🏳️🌈
Same here 😉
I haven't actually watched the full thing but I think it's cool that they didn't touch once like an actual magnet repelling another one
ive never thought of that what thats so cool
That's actually because this game's physic are very delicate so Sega just animated stuff with the models unable to touch each other or even themselves lol
You can notice in some songs were they are supposed to touch their hips but the hand never reaches
They only kinda touch hands but if you look closely they aren't properly animated either and they clip
@@alex-8736 but cantarella
@@Callsign-Goofy they clip, even tho that's one of the few songs where they take the risk
The fact that this or even any covers of this aren’t on Spotify makes me intensely disappointed.
Fr though. I love this song so much
Leone Abbacchio I agree, goth gf abbacchio.
open.spotify.com/track/0xqOk9g0UVJOWhlNc1nX1S there is, but i think it was removed.
Actually i found the original on Spotify! But as other japanese songs, it can only be streamed in Japan, so its blocked abroad :(
Taiyou rip :((
The butterfly imagery reminds me of the butterfly lovers, forbidden lovers whose souls, upon death, transformed into butterflies and were finally united
Why did I tear up reading this
@@akkinda same
Naaaaaaaaa. God that hurts.
I think it's just talking about a cunt mate
Choo-choo. Hear that? That's The sound of the train taking me to Yuriville.
LOL. Your comment made my day.
Can I come aboard!?!?!?
I am still waiting a train to yaoiville
...
I'm sorry
😂😂😂😂
@@nas897 Lmao same!!! 😂😂😂💛
When I was 12 I thought I was a boy and thus immune to becoming a lesbian but... Miku and Luka arranged things around so that me loving women would be gay those damn geniuses
you are not immune to lesbian.
Transbian?
I like how bad the mouth animation is compared to the dancing animations
Wyntrr_End Really..
Wyntrr_End right
Yeah, that is funny.
Wyntrr_End hey not everything can be perfect 😂
The reason is that the second verse isn't in the song in game so he had to repeat the first one and with each verse's lyrics changing it still has the lipsyncing of the first verse.
Does anyone else think that it is weird that Miku's hair is longer in pigtails than when down O.O?
-Cherry Tomatoes- Yeah, I find that weird. Miku's hair should be longer than it actually is when it is out, yet they made it the same length as Luka's...
If they made it realistic the hair would end up being too much though. Harder to animate as well.
You do have a point..
But doesn't her hairstyle vary depending on the outfit?
Norsk ikr 😂
Is it just me who thinks Miku looks better with her hair down?
I totally agree, it gives her a more grown up vibe.
I agree. She looks much better with her hair down
Nightcore Youki I also think that
Yeah...not just you, I do too.
As do I
This song is really heartwarming, it gives me a sense of peace when I listen to it. And the meaning behind it makes it all the more beautiful.
this is why just be friends happened, that guy realised he was gay and Luka ended up having her gay awakening as well
This comment made my evening lmao
The fact that Luka's nails are blue bothers me so much
Oh thank god, I'm not the only one that was a bit peeved by that. They just- They don't match anything?? Except her eyes?? And not even then?? It would have been better pink, or white for ironic purity
They match her girlfriend’s eyes
their nail colors match each other
0:59
luka’s nails are supposed to match with her own eyes lol
miku’s are turquoise/cyan and luka’s are sky blue :))
*open's PMX Editor and Photoshop* I gotchu fam
all jokes aside though, yeah it is a tad weird innit?
so many comments about people watching this when they were 13 and how they turned gay.. I'm 14 and just discovered this (although I'm pretty sure I've heard this song before somewhere) so I guess I'm gay now
epic
During June? Pride month? The ritual is complete welcome to the gays
I found this in a video and i wanted to listen to this for so long and i finally did im 12 and dont regret a thing
I actually came across the animation version of this and i didn't expect to see luka frick miku lmao anywas im 14 i wonder if ill be gay cause theirs a bunch of comments saying they saw this in age 13-14 and now their gay lmao......
@@leniee2125 sorry if your comment was a joke but-
turning gay because of a video is a joke lmao, they’re joking saying that
your gayness is already in your dna, you can’t turn gay watching gays, gay videos, gay songs or things like that lol
@@yugumire5398 bruh i was joking i know they are also joking lmao
I wish people put memes aside and just appreciate how good the song is.
色褪せない名曲です
『束縛してもっと必要として 愛しいなら執着を見せつけて』なんて言葉はそうそう
12 year old me: I really like this song and the meaning behind the lyrics, but that doesn't mean I'm gay... right?
Present me: You fool. You absolute fool.
I can’t believe people this song is heterosexual like the chorus includes “I want you to kiss me”
They're joking, they pointed out the literal gayest part of the song lol
@@goblingab22 No there are actually people who will jump through the weirdest mental hoops to believe something isn't gay. We love r/sapphoandherfriend
Who even taught that it was heterosexual ? When I was 12, there was a bunch of art flooding around about the song, and the art that everyone did when doing cover is the one with Miku and Luka mouth almost touching with their butterfley headband. Most of the cover were also made in the same gender, some utaite even changed the song lyrics to make it even more sexual, a lot of fans were doing cosplay of it.
Like, for real, who taught that it was heterosexual ? Gay things are flooding in the fandom pretty much since the beginning of the fandom
@@narudayo5053 they were joking-
@@leewalden3061 forgive my dumbass but what exactly is r/sapphoandherfriend? I don’t recall seeing that subreddit
This was my lesbian awakening at 12 years old
Edit: I'm 21 with two wonderful women in my life
The power of Magnet is making everyone gay
Happy for you!
Omg, good for you! I hope this happens to me one day 😭❤️
Congrats!! I’m happy for you three, assuming from the “two wonderful women” part you’re poly! (Correct me if I’m wrong)
IKR
Acute: **Luka and Hatsune were RIVALS**
Magnet:**They ended up being together**
@@clarelabellerose xD
Clare Gundersen LOL
LOL
Rivals to lovers trope, hell yeah
doesnt like miku end up dead in that song?
I missed the whole vocaloid phenomenon, saw a post on r/SapphoAndHerFriend about Magnet... I don't know why everyone thinks that theyre lesbian. Clearly they're just really good friends, you know the kind of friends who can't find a yone else to marry so they marry each other and decide to raise kids together and kiss and stuff. Doesn't make them gay. /s
I was so confused until I saw the /s lmaooo
its just how girls are, if they cant find a man they have to kiss each other see :) thats not gay and this song is 1000% not gay see
found this in a classical music playlist, wondering how it got there
Do you regret finding it tho
This is indeed a classic tho.
LMAOOO
might've been a mistake, but i like to think it was on purpose
beethoven got nothing on this fr
Man, it’s been YEARS since I last heard this song. I stopped when I got my first iphone, but I’m glad I came upon this again.
I kept listening to this song while I was closeted and kept trying to figure myself out, so this makes me feel nostalgic
let’s go lesbians let’s go
LETS GO LESBIANS LETS GO
I'm ace can I still jog with y'all👉👈
@@orangejuice9102 YES LETS GO ACE AND ARO SPECTRUM
Listened to this a good five years ago...
...now I’m bi.
Update: Yeah so turns out I’m aromantic asexual actually, but i still kinda owe some thanks to magnet for contributing to the realization i’m not straight.
Purrloin Queen 🏳️🌈
Same😂
Gurl SAMEEE
sAme both parts :3
Yep, i can determinate the same answer, we are bi
ほんとこれ好き。6年前くらいからずっと聞いてる
It's confirmed.
WE'RE ALL GAY
No
glyde edylg YEs
No.
Yes
Isn't this kind of heterophobic?
Me: Miku should have her hair down more
*Still me: LUKA SHOULD HAVE HER HAIR UP MORE*
I'm drawn to UA-cam like a magnet.
takiyosete hoshi
I crave for yuri
* hoshii
Oh yeah...
Same
Showed this to a homophobic person with a miku profile picture 🤩
doing god's work
What was his reaction?
this is like a g note to the vocloid fans
Yeeto Cheeto Yes❤️
the g-spot too
eighth sin ZISHJSJDJDKDKDKDJDJSJJFDKFI
i hate how the black parade started playing in my head
@@guiltyhowl UM CHILE ANYWAYS-
Whem I first began watching this, I was like "Oh! Miku and her friend are spicy flirtatious girls who want love! I think they're friends who maybe love 2 other men( like a double date) but I still thought it was weird. Finished with the vid, I was *OHHHHHHH THAT MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE*
Lizzle 2 cents miku and her friend....
Nooooo
hAROLD
I never thought I would ship voice synthesizers so much.
EDIT: Jfc guys after a year this dumb comment got 1.8k likes, thanks you guys,
+Kit carousel I speak english. They are singing robots to me and no one can tell me otherwise
But they ARE synthesizers, that's just a fact.
***** Nope, they are synthesizers, the holograms are only used in live concerts and such...
No, it's a software that allows you to make original songs buy purchasing it and typing in lyrics, etc.
ERM their sisters
Luka is the most beautiful animated android lady ever been made.
Me: Wait it's all gay?
*Miku: Always has been.*
pls just let them hug...
my heart...
let them love each other
This is a video game?
no
Antique Trash yeah they freaking CUT OUT THAT SCENE
no
Antique Trash I'm...
"The Barrier"
I, Michael, will stop speaking like this...
I WILL DO SOMETHING...
Fudge it was worth a try lol
Gotta theory on this:
I've been wondering why none of their outfits match each other but I figured it out
Like a magnet the opposite ends are drawn towards each other so to signify that they wore opposite outfits
Well they tried to get similar outfits...
和と洋が混ざってるのがめっちゃいいね
Ghisgvblsgiflxjkcjlkfkggkgdhjgvmj❤
@Breadkidhola
Luka's hair looks like delicious ice cream and somehow
I wanna eat it
The moment I first met you I felt an ache to never be apart
Without any warning my love burned deep like fire in my heart
The butterflies you gave me made me feel warm and never seemed to leave
I found that I was aching to give you every piece of me
I’m entranced by every step I see you take,
And I lose myself to your fingertips
Though I know our love should never come to light
It’s hard to fight something that feels so right
I want to feel you holding me
I want to hear you telling me
Just tell me that our love is not a mistake, before it’s too late,
Kiss me intensely, show me a world I’ve never seen
I want to drown in your scent and all your charm, I never want to be apart
Every passing moment makes it harder to control myself
If this is love why is it that we cannot be true to ourselves?
Longing for your warm embrace just drives me to insanity
I’d go to the ends of the earth, for you I’d do anything
If ever you found my heart was led astray, and it seemed my love had faded away
When I saw you next and felt your warm embrace it’d be as if nothing had ever changed
Our love feels like a fantasy, I feel so high when you’re with me
But we know that we don’t stand a chance in this cruel reality
I would risk it all, I’m here to catch you when you fall
You are my world and the reason I’m alive, I never want to leave your side
When the morning comes the day is shining bright, but I can’t help but continue to cry
Though you told me everything would be alright, you couldn’t hide the tears behind your smile
I want to feel you holding me
I want to hear you telling me
Just tell me that our love is not a mistake, before it’s too late,
Kiss me intensely, show me a world I’ve never seen
I want to drown in your scent, and all you are, never leave baby
Yes it’s wrong but yet, I’m drawn to you like a MAGNET
For even if our love somehow went off track, we would still come back
I would risk it all, I’m here to catch you when you fall
You are my world and the reason I’m alive, I never want to leave your side
Wow those lyrics are great
That’s nice
figures the one with the kasumi pfp decides to comment the lyrics of this very gay song…/pos
Such a beautiful lyrics thay makes me cry, this is perfection ✨
完璧
crypton: how many outfit changes do we want?
miku and luka: *yes*
Luka Megurine x Miku Hatsune
Bad boy
@@TayTayXperia?
Miku Hatsune x The viewer!💙
And dude...Lenka...not that one Luka x Len
huh
2:31 that's the view of miku on top of luka
..................
Yup
Boobies
+BlackFatMan 41 lolololol
id ship it. hell, i would help them be together
How I look like trying to convince my family I wasn't looking up girls kissing:
you know how when people have weddings they usually have a song that they dance to together? this will be me and my wife’s.
That's wholesome and I love it.
まじで綺麗な曲だな
外国人が多いって文句言ってる人いるけどそりゃ、英和とローマ字(日本語ので歌う時のため)がある時点で外国人向けに作られてるってくらい分かるでしょ
ありがとう。
fINALLY, SOMEONE WITH COMMON SENSE
I know this is late but finally someone who understands!
@@alexk.rosethorn1966 Can you translate it for me please. My Japanese has been lacking
@@lex4103 The comment says that the lyrics is for the people who can't read japanese, so they can sing along.
I have fallen into the pit of vocaloid
welcome to the paradise of internet
And trust me
You are never going to be able to climb back out
Oh, we always can. We've always been able able to. We just no longer wish to leave.
... Pit of Vocaloid? More like the pit... of hell... and once you're in hell... you can never get out... hehehehehehe.... So welcome to the vocaloid world! Where everyone gets their fair share of ships, and where cute girls and boys sing depressing songs very happily! And don't go to the darkest area called I'm Sorry I'm Sorry... You're innocence will vanish in seconds if you see the English lyrics... So welcome!!!
Anime Weirdo no... secrets of wysteria is way... way worse