Edit*: read the reply on this comment! IMELAPSE: 0:00 - Intro 0:24 - Talents-PvE Feral 1:13 - Talents-PvP Feral 2:50 - Talents- Balance 3:45 - New Abilities 3:59 - Runes Confirmed 5:39 - Runes Unconfirmed 8:15 - Itemization 9:08 - Conclusion If you enjoy the video make sure to leave a like and subscribe to the channel! Thanks! 😄
Hey guys it looks like im wrong with Furor/Natural Weapons for PvE build. More experianced pve players are saying Furor and Wolf helm that gives us another 20 energy still outperforms Natural Weapons. Sorry for misinformation!
Conclusion: they're ignoring feral druids' problems since phase 1. We have by far the most complex rotation out there, in a game mode that is more casual-friendly, which is only going to be more complex with the addition of shapeshift, and they add randomness to it too with the new Vigor confirmed rune. We don't have energy generation or even combo point makers (or finishers for what's worth), we only rely on Blood Frenzy to get 2 CP totally random. They made a retail feral druid without any quality of life improvement from retail that FOCUSES on what's the class is known for: energy generation and combo point makers. They're missing the point of the entire spec, which is for the third time ENERGY + COMBO POINTS. At the present, you basically spam abilities for 15 seconds thanks to berserk, then you stay put for 6 seconds until your shred comes up. Btw, my parses are 98/99, I'm not whining about not doing damage, I'm just disappointed there are classes that have to press 2 keys and they easily top the charts (like it was meant to be in SoD, as devs told us many times) and then there's the feral druid. Until they fix energy regeneration and abilities that generate combo points feral druids are going to suck badly. Having said this, I'm freezing at least until phase 4, because let's be honest, we all know they ain't going to fix the feral druid in phase 3. They've gone far beyond and they don't know what to do with it.
@@Litepaw But hey, we added the catnip item, so now you have an eternal extra spell to put in your rotation to increase your attack speed by 50%! And people are cheering for this joke.
Feral feels soo clumsy. I have 5 or 6 attacks I need to rotate along with 5 different Cooldown Buffs that need to be up. And with all of that I struggle to DPS. My melee hunter has 2 buttons and is top dps everytime...
Furor is always better than natural weps Mate. I have a 96 av parse as a cat, the rotation is complex. Cat dps was always a poop sock play style, iv been doing it since classic. Also top dps spec p3 will be 11/25/5 - omen, no lotp, no hotw, with furor. However that's a poop sock cat build. There's many other viable spec this phase that will run both, it isn't going to be so cookie cutter. However, if you are trying to dps furor is, and will always be #1 druid dps talent, power shifting is too strong. Now we get wolf's head trophy too.
5% chance is way too low, and more often than not its going to proc when TF has like 1 or 2 seconds left on the cooldown anyways making it effectively useless.
Nibbai would love you to do video about Ranged Hunter. Hunter speaking here. - We need defensives, not just focusing on making the class bursty or buffing pets, fuck them they are annoying. - Give us defensives, Hunter is a KITE class, I would accept less dmg but more survivability with disengage instead of making us a burst class like elemental shaman. - We are at a point when Warrior have charge in combat + intervene. - Rogue have shadowstep + the shadowstrike from stealth. - Mage blink is getting EVEN better, actually insane with the new wrist rune. *Teleports back to where you last cast Blink from and resets the cooldown on Blink. Only usable within 10 sec of casting Blink.* (While Ranged hunters get rune on wrist that do 10% more dmg on traps -.-) I am really jealous of the Mage class developers. But somehow it’s problem for hunters to get disengage when every class mobility is getting improved??!?!! Don’t want to talk about shadow priest, how do you deal with them when you don’t have silencing shot and they do have dispersion? They just put 2 dots on you, and if you are without healer it’s gg for you.
Haha mate you should make a video about hunters! 😆 Well, i dont really see much of a Ranged hunters because most of players are brainwashed and playing BM where pet still can solo kill some classes lol I totally agree about what you said because i was Hunter main in wotlk and i just freking loved the spec with so much mechanics and readiness. There definetely needs to be and surely there will be a Disengage, because its a must have spell. Anyway hunters still got 15sec trap and scatter shot to play it smart, if used properly u can beat some idiots easily. I myself had problem against hunter with scatter eventho i got gap closer like Charge. Guy literally just froze me 2 times and made range and GG. I need to switch to Sunfire instead of mangle to beat them. So rogues should be beble too with scatterand proper mechanics. But its hard if you eat a Blind after used trinket, thats more less GG.
You completely right, we finally get our classic rotation 2 shred per shapeshift, but now we dont have where to speed all that combo points cause bite damage complete tiny while rip has long duration.
I know I am in the minority of the druid community, but I have always felt that powershifting is something players came up with to be somewhat competetive and really just a band aid. For SOD I had high hopes that the design team would lift druid so it could be competetative without powershifting and I think that is what they were aiming for but failed miserably. The state of the class is just a mess. They dont support powershifting and they cant manage to buff the class so it doesnt have to powershift.
@@JT-mt6ku I'm the highest parser in the raid so I'm sure I'll be able if I want to. But well see how many feathers get ruffled in a 20man environment. I may start LOTP and swap later on like I did this phase. Edit: also Nibbai is mainly a PvPer so I'm not sure how this was relavant.
@@healthymindhappierlife5089 Highest parser in the raid with a class that is bottom damage doesnt really mean much, unfortunately. With that said it doesnt really matter how little damage I do as feral. I will always get a spot for just participating, acting like a WF totem and cast innervate every 6th min. Heck, I could prob afk the whole raid and still get in.
Feral need 4major spell : 1 aoe 2. Bleed crit 3. Fb that can deal more dmg or refresh the rip on target 4 bear should benefit from stamina not flat hp boost
Bleed crits are definitely not out of the question. I mean, wlocks are getting dot crits too. I'd love to see more feral tanks and cats tbh. I'm glad they're being sorta careful about power creep and not overcomplicating things, but apart from the Starsurge bug druids have really gotten the shitty end of the stick. Makes druids feel more like an afterthought :( still gonna main a druid to the bitter end tho.
I believe that SoD developers actually hate feral… like 5% per shred? Seriously? It’s pretty much 1 tiger’s fury reset per fight. And still no AoE rune for us too, when literally every other spec got new AoE abilities… Hope they will rework some runes
Yeah it’s fucking insane. Alliance can’t do anything without feral druids. We don’t have access to OP ass shamans. And with feral looking how bad they are who would want to play it? We saw an influx of ferals in p1 cause they were decent with power shifting. Now they’re shit and we see an all time low of how many people are playing feral & it’s going to greatly hinder alliance guild recruitment.
Ok wtf is going on so much happening we going to get wolfhead enchant and we going to get "power shredder" reduces the mana cost of all shapeshifting by 30% the last one I am not sure about.
Gore rune could it be that they going to change magle not to be on hand gear...??? Well that wouldnt change anything for kitty pvp but for bear tanking that is a big deal.
The PvP armor showcased still looked like it was to buff casters. Sure the stamina is nice but does nothing for feral abilities claw rake bite ext. Not do it say anything about rage or energy. But hay spell damage and healing dune great boonies and resto. I was recently asked not to raid anymore because I was told we do t want you raiding with us because we don't like how you play your druid because I don't cast spells damage spells or healing because I'm feral. I will oom in moments if I tried casting as off healer and would do little to no damage either.
Nevermind, stamina is always good to go. Our defensive abilities scale with % HP. Rogues will probably go with pve set from raid instead cuz they dont need survivability in pvp 1v1. In most cases they burst down enemies. Ferals will swich gear depends on enemies a lot
@@NibbaiWotlk man what server are you on maybe you can couch me been following you from me discovering your love for druids. I'm not even talking 1v1 BGs are early so for me. Or even blood moon. But I started in phase 2 and I have always had issues surviving once my burst is dune if it's not a kill I'm a dead man. It's really frustrating. Some one told me ferals was great in phase 1 but I was not around fo that.
Hey im on US Crusederstrike. Its mostly not your fault if u cant survive when your burst ends, we are just underdog spec. But ofcourse there are ways to play it better and not depend just on burst... but all tactics depend on enemy you are facing, some are pure losses, some can be bursted, some can be survived 😄 In p1 feral was just 1 button spec with Sunfire, idiotic
@@NibbaiWotlk I'm on Chaos Bolt. We have to find new home soon. I was planning on going to the only other RP PVP server maybe we will team up together if we have not already
I m gonna harras developers 7/24 for feral because others get buff same way. Feral is garbage usless s.hit atm and they ignore it both tank is bad for pve and pvp at least be good in some point why? Walking buff machine
feral druid is so depressing right now. so trash in pvp (is there a worse spec?), so trash in raids... only needed for alliance... barely does more dmg than tanks. Zero AOE, Zero cleave. TRASH. I'm going boomkin next phase
@@RandySnarsh Of course skill is an important component. But if you have 2 equally skilled players and one is playing shaman and the other feral druid there is NO WAY that the feral outperforms the shammy.
@@NibbaiWotlk p2 was a disaster for ferals, seeing shamans getting even more “love” in a way of heavy buffs is just revealing the path of where SoD is going. And it’s not going anywhere good for druids. Boomie might be still viable in pvp and pve, but tank/feral dps is just a joke. With dual spec being 50g and ithey are literally not even even trying to make 2 druid specs worth going for, i mean.. long story short, this is the take for many other druids out there 🫠
The runes are so bad. Who asked for a 5% casino effect or buff to the most useless spell ever? Compared to orher classes we are totally outclassed. So sad.
why i play stupid feral druid... ok i don t want play rogue cause it s IMBA mage cause sucks YEAH STV pop aoe... hunt 2 shoit cac... or chaman... really WHY nothing for feral NO SLOW...................................................
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IMELAPSE:
0:00 - Intro
0:24 - Talents-PvE Feral
1:13 - Talents-PvP Feral
2:50 - Talents- Balance
3:45 - New Abilities
3:59 - Runes Confirmed
5:39 - Runes Unconfirmed
8:15 - Itemization
9:08 - Conclusion
If you enjoy the video make sure to leave a like and subscribe to the channel! Thanks! 😄
Hey guys it looks like im wrong with Furor/Natural Weapons for PvE build. More experianced pve players are saying Furor and Wolf helm that gives us another 20 energy still outperforms Natural Weapons. Sorry for misinformation!
Conclusion: they're ignoring feral druids' problems since phase 1. We have by far the most complex rotation out there, in a game mode that is more casual-friendly, which is only going to be more complex with the addition of shapeshift, and they add randomness to it too with the new Vigor confirmed rune. We don't have energy generation or even combo point makers (or finishers for what's worth), we only rely on Blood Frenzy to get 2 CP totally random. They made a retail feral druid without any quality of life improvement from retail that FOCUSES on what's the class is known for: energy generation and combo point makers.
They're missing the point of the entire spec, which is for the third time ENERGY + COMBO POINTS.
At the present, you basically spam abilities for 15 seconds thanks to berserk, then you stay put for 6 seconds until your shred comes up. Btw, my parses are 98/99, I'm not whining about not doing damage, I'm just disappointed there are classes that have to press 2 keys and they easily top the charts (like it was meant to be in SoD, as devs told us many times) and then there's the feral druid.
Until they fix energy regeneration and abilities that generate combo points feral druids are going to suck badly.
Having said this, I'm freezing at least until phase 4, because let's be honest, we all know they ain't going to fix the feral druid in phase 3. They've gone far beyond and they don't know what to do with it.
Feral feels like playing 3 characters at the same time for practically no extra benefit.
@@Litepaw But hey, we added the catnip item, so now you have an eternal extra spell to put in your rotation to increase your attack speed by 50%!
And people are cheering for this joke.
They say hybrid yet you can shape heal with 2 spell then can go bac to your form nice. They hate feral for 20 years we know
Uhhh what about the druids phase 1 or 2 feral rotation is complex…
@@Whathefaqsis it complicated for you to hit a cool down button? Like what are you complaining about, druid is painfully easy
Great video! Kept my eyes till the end, well edited good points
Thnks! Glad you liked it! 😁
@@NibbaiWotlk
Blizz doesn't hate feral, but its obvious they don't have anyone in the corr dev team who plays one or understands how it works.
Feral feels soo clumsy. I have 5 or 6 attacks I need to rotate along with 5 different Cooldown Buffs that need to be up. And with all of that I struggle to DPS. My melee hunter has 2 buttons and is top dps everytime...
Haha so freaking true! My parses are awful! 🤣
Furor not the way to go for pve?
Natural Weapon is better i would say
Furor is always better than natural weps Mate.
I have a 96 av parse as a cat, the rotation is complex. Cat dps was always a poop sock play style, iv been doing it since classic.
Also top dps spec p3 will be 11/25/5 - omen, no lotp, no hotw, with furor.
However that's a poop sock cat build. There's many other viable spec this phase that will run both, it isn't going to be so cookie cutter.
However, if you are trying to dps furor is, and will always be #1 druid dps talent, power shifting is too strong. Now we get wolf's head trophy too.
Yeah i cant deny it, not a PvE player so i will trust you guys!
5% chance is way too low, and more often than not its going to proc when TF has like 1 or 2 seconds left on the cooldown anyways making it effectively useless.
Really incomprehensible move from Blizzard
Nibbai would love you to do video about Ranged Hunter.
Hunter speaking here.
- We need defensives, not just focusing on making the class bursty or buffing pets, fuck them they are annoying.
- Give us defensives, Hunter is a KITE class, I would accept less dmg but more survivability with disengage instead of making us a burst class like elemental shaman.
- We are at a point when Warrior have charge in combat + intervene.
- Rogue have shadowstep + the shadowstrike from stealth.
- Mage blink is getting EVEN better, actually insane with the new wrist rune.
*Teleports back to where you last cast Blink from and resets the cooldown on Blink. Only usable within 10 sec of casting Blink.*
(While Ranged hunters get rune on wrist that do 10% more dmg on traps -.-)
I am really jealous of the Mage class developers.
But somehow it’s problem for hunters to get disengage when every class mobility is getting improved??!?!!
Don’t want to talk about shadow priest, how do you deal with them when you don’t have silencing shot and they do have dispersion? They just put 2 dots on you, and if you are without healer it’s gg for you.
Haha mate you should make a video about hunters! 😆
Well, i dont really see much of a Ranged hunters because most of players are brainwashed and playing BM where pet still can solo kill some classes lol
I totally agree about what you said because i was Hunter main in wotlk and i just freking loved the spec with so much mechanics and readiness.
There definetely needs to be and surely there will be a Disengage, because its a must have spell. Anyway hunters still got 15sec trap and scatter shot to play it smart, if used properly u can beat some idiots easily. I myself had problem against hunter with scatter eventho i got gap closer like Charge. Guy literally just froze me 2 times and made range and GG. I need to switch to Sunfire instead of mangle to beat them. So rogues should be beble too with scatterand proper mechanics. But its hard if you eat a Blind after used trinket, thats more less GG.
I think with wolfshed helm.. furor will be more dps than the 10% damage.
Yeah may be the case! That gotta be tested with new bis head in P3 with better offensive stats. We will see. Totally might be the case, mathematics
You completely right, we finally get our classic rotation 2 shred per shapeshift, but now we dont have where to speed all that combo points cause bite damage complete tiny while rip has long duration.
@@TBou_nyncuk bite needs to be buffed for like 100% rofl
@@messinyo1055 excatly!
I know I am in the minority of the druid community, but I have always felt that powershifting is something players came up with to be somewhat competetive and really just a band aid. For SOD I had high hopes that the design team would lift druid so it could be competetative without powershifting and I think that is what they were aiming for but failed miserably. The state of the class is just a mess. They dont support powershifting and they cant manage to buff the class so it doesnt have to powershift.
Remember it's only datamined stuff. It's still bound to change. Including all the surprises we still don't know
Great video. Great format.
Thanks! Glad you liked it! :)
Keep the hope, there are some datemined aura changes on natural shape shifter. We dont know what that is yet.
Good luck going a second phase without giving your group leader of the pack
@@JT-mt6ku I'm the highest parser in the raid so I'm sure I'll be able if I want to. But well see how many feathers get ruffled in a 20man environment. I may start LOTP and swap later on like I did this phase.
Edit: also Nibbai is mainly a PvPer so I'm not sure how this was relavant.
Hey dual talents?
Highest parser doesn't mean highest damage
@@healthymindhappierlife5089 Highest parser in the raid with a class that is bottom damage doesnt really mean much, unfortunately. With that said it doesnt really matter how little damage I do as feral. I will always get a spot for just participating, acting like a WF totem and cast innervate every 6th min. Heck, I could prob afk the whole raid and still get in.
Feral need 4major spell : 1 aoe 2. Bleed crit 3. Fb that can deal more dmg or refresh the rip on target 4 bear should benefit from stamina not flat hp boost
Bleed crits are definitely not out of the question. I mean, wlocks are getting dot crits too. I'd love to see more feral tanks and cats tbh.
I'm glad they're being sorta careful about power creep and not overcomplicating things, but apart from the Starsurge bug druids have really gotten the shitty end of the stick. Makes druids feel more like an afterthought :( still gonna main a druid to the bitter end tho.
I believe that SoD developers actually hate feral… like 5% per shred? Seriously? It’s pretty much 1 tiger’s fury reset per fight. And still no AoE rune for us too, when literally every other spec got new AoE abilities… Hope they will rework some runes
They are literally making feral even worse than it was when u take in consideration what other classes got lol
@@NibbaiWotlk yeah, why even bring feral for wf when you can invite enh sham that deals like 50% more damage
Haha totally true 🤣🤣
Yeah it’s fucking insane. Alliance can’t do anything without feral druids. We don’t have access to OP ass shamans. And with feral looking how bad they are who would want to play it? We saw an influx of ferals in p1 cause they were decent with power shifting. Now they’re shit and we see an all time low of how many people are playing feral & it’s going to greatly hinder alliance guild recruitment.
If you don’t have your p1 feral still playing and gladly playing feral, good luck. Rip ferals the devs fucked you over.
need them to move Lacerate and Mangle to different rune slots. who is writing these tooltips that say you can use both abilities its so stupid lol
Ok wtf is going on so much happening we going to get wolfhead enchant and we going to get "power shredder" reduces the mana cost of all shapeshifting by 30% the last one I am not sure about.
Gore rune could it be that they going to change magle not to be on hand gear...??? Well that wouldnt change anything for kitty pvp but for bear tanking that is a big deal.
Of course they will, they admitted it was an oversight
Thanks god!
I don't think there has ever been a more uninspired rune than the gale winds. Waaaw you made a boring ability slightly less useless...? Great!
Blizzard imagination 🤣
What does any of it matter, you’re just a raid buff.
Rude 🤭
Sad but true. I could run naked and just innervate every 6th min and still get a raid spot.
If we got this in phase 3 wolfshead trophy enchant ... oh boy.
New Nibbai vid out?! Perfect Thursday
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The PvP armor showcased still looked like it was to buff casters. Sure the stamina is nice but does nothing for feral abilities claw rake bite ext. Not do it say anything about rage or energy. But hay spell damage and healing dune great boonies and resto. I was recently asked not to raid anymore because I was told we do t want you raiding with us because we don't like how you play your druid because I don't cast spells damage spells or healing because I'm feral. I will oom in moments if I tried casting as off healer and would do little to no damage either.
Nevermind, stamina is always good to go. Our defensive abilities scale with % HP. Rogues will probably go with pve set from raid instead cuz they dont need survivability in pvp 1v1. In most cases they burst down enemies. Ferals will swich gear depends on enemies a lot
@@NibbaiWotlk man what server are you on maybe you can couch me been following you from me discovering your love for druids. I'm not even talking 1v1 BGs are early so for me. Or even blood moon. But I started in phase 2 and I have always had issues surviving once my burst is dune if it's not a kill I'm a dead man. It's really frustrating. Some one told me ferals was great in phase 1 but I was not around fo that.
Hey im on US Crusederstrike. Its mostly not your fault if u cant survive when your burst ends, we are just underdog spec. But ofcourse there are ways to play it better and not depend just on burst... but all tactics depend on enemy you are facing, some are pure losses, some can be bursted, some can be survived 😄
In p1 feral was just 1 button spec with Sunfire, idiotic
@@NibbaiWotlk I'm on Chaos Bolt. We have to find new home soon. I was planning on going to the only other RP PVP server maybe we will team up together if we have not already
Lol gore rune.. Devs didnt even try to read it before making it 😂😂😂
Cepaj bato ❤
Rofl yeah 🤣
you'll go for 11/25/5 for sure for max dps
I m gonna harras developers 7/24 for feral because others get buff same way. Feral is garbage usless s.hit atm and they ignore it both tank is bad for pve and pvp at least be good in some point why? Walking buff machine
feral druid is so depressing right now. so trash in pvp (is there a worse spec?), so trash in raids... only needed for alliance... barely does more dmg than tanks. Zero AOE, Zero cleave. TRASH. I'm going boomkin next phase
Haha these comments are insane 🤣
Boomkin is the way. I am doing the same although I HATE looking like a fat, drunk owl
Takes you 2 days to rerolla new class. I seen some of insane ferals in pvp. Think it all comes down to skills in the end.
@@RandySnarsh Of course skill is an important component. But if you have 2 equally skilled players and one is playing shaman and the other feral druid there is NO WAY that the feral outperforms the shammy.
no you havent, they suck@@RandySnarsh
Nice vid
Feral looking like it'll be even more trash than it already is in P2 FFS
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head and weapon enchant inc
Ferals will still be awful in pvp :/
Never been easier to reroll a class 😂
Why is everyone giveuping so fast 😔😔😔
@@NibbaiWotlk p2 was a disaster for ferals, seeing shamans getting even more “love” in a way of heavy buffs is just revealing the path of where SoD is going. And it’s not going anywhere good for druids. Boomie might be still viable in pvp and pve, but tank/feral dps is just a joke. With dual spec being 50g and ithey are literally not even even trying to make 2 druid specs worth going for, i mean.. long story short, this is the take for many other druids out there 🫠
Never would imagine Feral gonna be so fcked up when SoD was about to launch... 😔
Yeah I rerolled to mage
Smart choice, but bandwaggon 😜
1:52
The runes are so bad. Who asked for a 5% casino effect or buff to the most useless spell ever?
Compared to orher classes we are totally outclassed. So sad.
Casino 🤣🤣🤣
What? Do you have the tiger fury rune?
GOOD🎉
💪💪💪
We won’t be going lotp (for Pve) my guy….. furor and natural weapons….
why i play stupid feral druid... ok i don t want play rogue cause it s IMBA mage cause sucks YEAH STV pop aoe... hunt 2 shoit cac... or chaman... really WHY nothing for feral NO SLOW...................................................
Feral will be painful 😅
Only crap
True!
Good as always
My nibba 😍