yeah a lot of the meets here now they'll do a little pull or something, but very very rarely doing any crazy launches or burnouts, thats how we end up getting complaints and banned aha
Subie Life. I’m celebrating my one year anniversary with my 2015 sti. And to this day it still makes me smile when I look at her. And when I fire it up it makes me rumble inside too. Sometimes I roar like a lion. Beast mode lol
Ah great! This is the ultimate endorsement. Just bought my first Fozzie and am nervously taking my time to get used to its idiosyncrasies on a tight budget. (Thumbs up).
😂 Welcome to my world. With all my stupidity and a tight budget O went ahead and bought the 2.5L STI version. Exactly an year now with it and it still scares me to drive. Only done about 2k kms in it since I bought it
Was my car ;) you have a different thang now instagram.com/gr.sti?igshid=hzlfhbwxuuly link to my Insta back when i had it bagged and owned it, fozfest was a wicked day
Notice how their aren't any "new" Foresters (2013+). Subaru lost the enthusiast community because they thought a CVT could fly in an XT. I had the old 4-speed auto in my '06 XT and it wasn't a bad transmission to live with. It handled 330 hp no problem w/ a VF30 turbo and tune. At least shifts were solid and not "slurred" like a CVT's. Manual transmission XT's are VERY rare in the USA.
@7x_oogway it's all about what you do with it man tbh, if you saved up the money for it a trans swap is possible if you can find a trustworthy shop in your area
sure is, when you're on your p plates (restricted license) where i am you cant drive a wrx. so a forester is the next best option to get if you want a turbo subaru
@@se4n111 my dad died 8 years ago, I inherited 1 and have thrashed it to sh¡t. Never been a car guy but my customers keep asking me why I am going to put 8 to 10 thousand bucks buying a new engine and accoutrements for it. Because fully loaded I beat everything off the start line, I mean I reach 60kmh before their back wheels have stopped spinning. If anyone has any ideas on what I should do please let me know. Plan is to put an sti half closed deck, if that's the correct term, new headers and cat back exhaust and upgrade intercooler and maybe a bigger turbo in the future. It has done 300k km.
yeh, not a fan of lowered sti's, even more confusing when you slam a forester but i think alot of them bought them on their p plates and here you can't drive a wrx on them. so the next best thing is a forester. id keep it stock height, roof racks, light bar. get some mudding tyres on it and hit the bush
@@sebsshenanigans Lowering the suspension of a 4x4 overland vehicle, you don't see the contradiction..? There giving a headache for the next owners of those Foresters But yeah the cars are theirs so they can do what they want
Nice...i just got the 2018 xt , the last of the xt's and this bad marfucker has 250hp out the box im told it's the most powerful factory model built...and all that ride with me know when i put my foot down lol.... i love my fozzy.
Not a single one built for off-road other than one or two with some overlander gear ontop and I know there are some seriously awesome lifted duel range foresters down there.
yeah thats the thing hey, the dual range ones were all non turbo, all the turbo ones got what is pretty much the wrx 5 speed. which is horrible for trying to do any "tough" off roading thats not a flat surface
@@sebsshenanigans yeah and especially in NSW as all rexs are illegal on p plates. In other states, 08 and back rexs you can have, but fozzies are legal in any model or year. And only about 100kgs more or so lol
@@sebsshenanigans I'd probably just try to clean it up first, have the lower body panels as painted instead of plastic, and maybe look for some decent rims. I'd love to get a manual but idk where I could learn lol. I'm from Pennsylvania and the weather is crazy so I'm sure it would do well
oh dude, honestly if you got some crazy weather and not sure if you want a car that big. just get an impreza. like 06 07. and they're pretty easy to learn in as well as long as they don't have a heavy duty clutch.
very true, even my rexy has gotten me to some pretty interesting places on its standard height as well. hopefully one day though I got a forester for the channel
@@BaddaBigBoom What dump valve stays open during wot, come on man, the ewg spring on it must be set pretty low to open early, all my friends run a ewg including me so I know what it sounds like
@@sebsshenanigans yeah on their Facebook page they have updates. Postponed but not cancelled but hey on the bright side it gives me more time to get mine ready
@@sebsshenanigans I've got 04 forester xt champaign gold.. Black wheels at mo, was thinking of gold but think would be too much.. Love vid tho 💯 wish I was rolling out mesen we lads,, you'd certainly here mine ✨💪💯🇬🇧💨💨💨 subaru power......
@@sebsshenanigans I bought mine in 2010. I have an 04’ foz XT. Tein flex z’s, huge TMI, Grimm speed up pipe, Cobb catback 3”, Cobb intake, Cobb access port, VF48, walbro fuel pump. 18x8.5 Klutch republic wheels 35+. Tuned PIA. Always a good day when driving in FOZMODE
I got a question so I have an 04 XT and stock exhaust except for STI genome muffler, I want more rumble though, dont know what route I should take to get it, was thinking of a resonator delete (but heard some people find it raspy) or just a muffler delete all together (looking for a cheap option for now until I can get a full turbo back, or if anyone has cheap exhaust recommendations shoot them my way please)
the stock resonators realllly muffle that sound down. so id say keep the sti muffler. then that mid resonator get it cut out and a 6' or 12 hotdog put it. will bring out more rumble without it getting raspy
depends what you want to do man. if you plan on going off roading, sand/mud all that. go the non turbo because they got the dual range gearbox. turbo models dont have that. if you're just wanting a practical suv kinda thing do sounds alright, good aftermarket support and ok power. xt for sure
@@sebsshenanigans I fitted a 25mm body lift to my SG9 XT Auto, 16 inch Steel rims from the normally aspirated Forester, higher profile Geolander AT tyres, cotton canvas seat covers, Aluminium sump and diff bash plates, and Thule racks and roof box. It goes just about anywhere - don‘t need dual range with an auto. Also removed the cats - it has a 3 inch free flow exhaust with the standard rear box so it’s quiet and had a custom tune.
I love how Subaru's don't need to bomb away from a meet fast as fuck to sound impressive
yeah a lot of the meets here now they'll do a little pull or something, but very very rarely doing any crazy launches or burnouts, thats how we end up getting complaints and banned aha
Omg this makes me so happy knowing there’s others like me that love foresters and that open dump tho!!!!!!!!!!
oh yeh, there's loads of them around ahaha. all the young kids get them because they aren't aloud to drive a wrx on their p license
hanzo asahi hello. Look my project and you find many customizing of sf fozzy :) www.tyranith.ru
Any 02 sg fans
Lol but can catch up to holdens? Hahahababab
hanzo asahi ua-cam.com/video/7cZk6OG_CUE/v-deo.html xt stage 2 is the best. Watch this!!
We love the sound of a boxer rumble especially when it's a family wagon
goes track one day and school run the next hey ;)
@@sebsshenanigans never lets an empty gravel car park go to waste
Can’t wait to get mine!!
2:44 "hes scraping on something"
*Owner airs out and drops more*
who needs exhaust these days right?? they just get in the way...
Lmao that evo had some guts passing by this neighborhood😂😂
wrong timing to come by... although to be fair. could probably walk half of them there :')
Fresh tune from Jem🤣
@Ebay Buyer Defender yea bro. I’m not in it so....😂
@@sebsshenanigans came here to comment that 🥲
Nah, it's in the JDM family IMO :-)
LMAO that dude was hauling ass. @2:13
Foresters are such underrated subies. Never realized how much i liked them until this video. lol
they're so good!! and honestly, considering buying one at some point as well aha
0:22 is the best sounding one. That subie rumble was life
was such a nice sounding off beat rumble. just a shame it din't come back past at the roundabout
What yr is that?
That’s what mine sounds like, get an invidia G200 I have an injen ses basically the same thing but discontinued
@@Slyzxx76 Facelifted 2nd gen, or 2006-2008
Subie Life. I’m celebrating my one year anniversary with my 2015 sti. And to this day it still makes me smile when I look at her. And when I fire it up it makes me rumble inside too. Sometimes I roar like a lion. Beast mode lol
Ah great! This is the ultimate endorsement. Just bought my first Fozzie and am nervously taking my time to get used to its idiosyncrasies on a tight budget. (Thumbs up).
ahaha, fair enough :') they're a solid car!
BaddaBigBoom what year?
@@deevita7459 2006 "facelift" XT.
😂 Welcome to my world. With all my stupidity and a tight budget O went ahead and bought the 2.5L STI version. Exactly an year now with it and it still scares me to drive. Only done about 2k kms in it since I bought it
Bro whoever that girl was that said the black forester was good, she sounds like a keeper x
ahaha, thats my sister :') but ironically... is an actual goalkeeper
Oh ahah I didnt mean for that to sound bad in any way, just girls who loves cars are awesome!!
She sound like a keeper but don't look like one.
@@assia5138 imagine making fun of a 16 year old 😂😂
"Foresters look so good in black" ...that's nice to know, my one is black :-)
got some good taste then ahaha
Thanks for filming that and uploading, what a beautiful car.
they're so good!! not sure about slammed but can appreciate it all the same
2:43 Lmao that's my car.
ahaha, air up dude, air up :')
Nice ride
hi just wanted to ask where u got the fender mirror from cheers
Nice car.
Was my car ;) you have a different thang now
instagram.com/gr.sti?igshid=hzlfhbwxuuly link to my Insta back when i had it bagged and owned it, fozfest was a wicked day
Long live Fozmafia.
0:49 that sf5 was the most beautiful forester iv ever seen
I just bought an 04 XT, which is also my first Subaru. I'm absolutely in love. Bone stock, but she's gonna be amazing.
awesome thing about them is you don't even need to do much to them. moderate bolt ons and tune calls it sweet
I have a 98 forester s/tb rhd 5 speed manual its my first subaru also so far it is great 🙌 knock on wood lol
@@wut0.o turbo? Or no?
Brings back memories of my uni days 20 years ago when Autosalon was around.
all so clean, can tell they arent being driven in the way subaru made them for ahaha. but can appreciate them either way
Notice how their aren't any "new" Foresters (2013+). Subaru lost the enthusiast community because they thought a CVT could fly in an XT. I had the old 4-speed auto in my '06 XT and it wasn't a bad transmission to live with. It handled 330 hp no problem w/ a VF30 turbo and tune. At least shifts were solid and not "slurred" like a CVT's. Manual transmission XT's are VERY rare in the USA.
thats the automotive industry unfortunately, cars are becoming less and less common to see something made for the enthusiasts
I have a 2010 Subaru Forester xt is that good?
It could be a combination of that and looks, they simply don't look aggressive anymore
@7x_oogway it's all about what you do with it man tbh, if you saved up the money for it a trans swap is possible if you can find a trustworthy shop in your area
"good job he follows the road rules" About killed me laughing
gotta show the guy some love ahaha
Subaru fam always got that 🔥
will never get sick of the rumble
I didn't know modifying Forester is this much popular in Australia.
sure is, when you're on your p plates (restricted license) where i am you cant drive a wrx. so a forester is the next best option to get if you want a turbo subaru
As a sti owner i feel great seeing this video ❤
Just happened to stumble across this video and it has my car in it 😂 must have been the old owner
ohh yah, didnt think this video would get the attention it did but apparently people like foresters pulling out of meets
which was yours??
I bought one for my son and I cause he’s my first baby so I’d thought it’d be a cool mom car lmao now I check out other Subarus
nah foresters are a great family car!!!
0:50 Stututututututu
good sounds ;)
Wanyama subaru ndani ya road kitu konk!! Konk 💥💥💥💥💥
Buda Niko na sf5
This video is my source of happiness
ill be sure to make another then when the event comes back ahaha
@@sebsshenanigans is it in Australia?
@@carlos_basualdo3933 sure is, around the sydney area
god i wish i still had my 05 FXT. that thing was so fun. I have a 2014 now with the FA
modern day comforts and technology is nice... but nothing beats the feel of pre 07 subarus
Thats a group of headGasket. 😄✌🏼
look, who knows how many of them have had to be done
is it just me or does everyone else want a Forester after watching this video.
if i didnt have my wrx, i would 100% be looking to get a foz
My dad gave me his for free I’m looking to mod it
@@se4n111 my dad died 8 years ago, I inherited 1 and have thrashed it to sh¡t. Never been a car guy but my customers keep asking me why I am going to put 8 to 10 thousand bucks buying a new engine and accoutrements for it. Because fully loaded I beat everything off the start line, I mean I reach 60kmh before their back wheels have stopped spinning. If anyone has any ideas on what I should do please let me know. Plan is to put an sti half closed deck, if that's the correct term, new headers and cat back exhaust and upgrade intercooler and maybe a bigger turbo in the future. It has done 300k km.
I love Foresters!!! Not so lovely lowered, but still Forester. Subaru has rally pedigree, not meant to be lowered.
yeh, not a fan of lowered sti's, even more confusing when you slam a forester but i think alot of them bought them on their p plates and here you can't drive a wrx on them. so the next best thing is a forester. id keep it stock height, roof racks, light bar. get some mudding tyres on it and hit the bush
It's a freaking 4x4 SUV 🤦🏼♀️
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess and??
@@sebsshenanigans Lowering the suspension of a 4x4 overland vehicle, you don't see the contradiction..? There giving a headache for the next owners of those Foresters
But yeah the cars are theirs so they can do what they want
sounds incredible. Must have this.
would recommend
All these are super cool and the girl is super cute
aha, uh the girl is my sister 😂😂
@@sebsshenanigans Oh man! Tell you what, why don't you bring her to Kenya on a Safari. Safari Rally is back!
Damn. Now this makes me want to put on wrx struts on my na gen 3 forester 😂
i mean, as long as you don't plan on going offroading, may as well right??
Subways Shenanigans yeah pretty much
I’ll hopefully have a really clean silver 99 fozzy Manuel gt this time next week, can’t wait :)
heck yeah man!! howd you go with it??
@@sebsshenanigans yeah man got it, loving it. Cannon exhaust and blow off valve already ordered. Gonna be lowered on Enkei RPF1’s later
2:00 didn't think id see a fellow mc22 rider in this vid hahaha nicccce!
was trying to figure out... since when did subaru name something with mc22, then realize you were talking about the bike :') fml
Nice...i just got the 2018 xt , the last of the xt's and this bad marfucker has 250hp out the box im told it's the most powerful factory model built...and all that ride with me know when i put my foot down lol.... i love my fozzy.
250 isnt to bad ahaha. think my bugeye comes with 190 from the factory :')
1:39 She's got a very good point...
not often i agree with my sister... but she brings up valid points when it comes to cars
@@sebsshenanigans haha. Black ones are gorgeous though
I’m obsessed with cars that sound and look like that 😂😂😂
a family suv that sounds like an sti with all the space and practicality for a family. what more could you want!!
I wanna move to that neighborhood and yes black foresters are clean as hell
just shows up dirt and scratches real easy aha
something oddly satisfying about subaru sound
can never get sick of it!!
Idc what anyone says those 3rd gens look so good
Sf5 and sg5 are the best looking foresters ever
Wow that’s like my dream meetup😮😎
just shows you don't need 100s of cars for an epic meet :')
4:15 what a sound. Like storm in far.
Not a single one built for off-road other than one or two with some overlander gear ontop and I know there are some seriously awesome lifted duel range foresters down there.
yeah thats the thing hey, the dual range ones were all non turbo, all the turbo ones got what is pretty much the wrx 5 speed. which is horrible for trying to do any "tough" off roading thats not a flat surface
What is the BOV that the silver fozzy has at 0:50 sec????
no idea, feel like its just a block off plate to the valve to get that flutter.
Its not any bov at all its a block off plate forcing the air to recirc. The sound is called compressor surge.
Its a compressor surge and a turbo fucked
@@umairkhalid9468 its a bov
I love how most of them are p platers lol
what does that mean??
@@kaimb149 because since most turbo cars are banned on p plates, and these aren't, these are a p platers workaround the restrictions
hes got it, because of power/weight ration, cant drive a wrx on p's. forester is the next best thing if you want that turbo 4 banger
@@sebsshenanigans yeah and especially in NSW as all rexs are illegal on p plates. In other states, 08 and back rexs you can have, but fozzies are legal in any model or year. And only about 100kgs more or so lol
Oh Damn. I should have come up with something more original that Harrod's Garage. Whoops!
nah, its fine. as long as there's not 10 other channels with similar names you'll be all good
I didnt even know this was a thing, and now I gotta start messing with my SG
do it... good think is a lot of parts from the wrx of the same year cross over to them
Awesome video👌
Yayyyy more forester brothers
guessing another forester owner??
Subaru boys si mnapenda kusumbua!!!!
Hapo sawa, bro. The feeling is great.
😂😂😂Toyota guys ni nini inawaumanga
@@collo_cj9668 😂😂😂😂carburetor tukivuta petroli
@@billalphilip5776 😂😂😂🙌
Hahahaha aiseee sikutegemea kuwakuta waswahili wenzangu. Ivi lakini altezza boys mbona mna wivu sana, mnakosa rumble au vipi?🤣🤣
I’m on the wrong continent 🤣😂
what were you meant to be on then...
Very nice sound the engines boxers !
would never get sick of it!!
This makes me want a forester even more lol, would it make a good first car?
for a first car, depends what you're doing. insuarance will probably be cheaper though because its less "sporty" than a wrx.
@@sebsshenanigans I'd probably just try to clean it up first, have the lower body panels as painted instead of plastic, and maybe look for some decent rims. I'd love to get a manual but idk where I could learn lol. I'm from Pennsylvania and the weather is crazy so I'm sure it would do well
oh dude, honestly if you got some crazy weather and not sure if you want a car that big. just get an impreza. like 06 07. and they're pretty easy to learn in as well as long as they don't have a heavy duty clutch.
@@sebsshenanigans alright, yeah they're pretty good too, they seem fun as well, thanks for the advice :)
Johnathan Frank Right, especially if you drive a Company car to work and your house as well . ☝🏻👍🏻
There All going to get there head gaskets fixed
Well well, don't you live up to your name.
Gotta love a car that needs 8 different types of fluidl! 😎
Facts lol I had mine done not to long ago
Mitchell Savage are you talking about that evo?
@@deevita7459 no
My 98 forester is a trail beast gets me up any mountain
good to hear a forester that hasn't been lowered aha
@@sebsshenanigans yeah man its crazy what they can do at stock height
very true, even my rexy has gotten me to some pretty interesting places on its standard height as well. hopefully one day though I got a forester for the channel
Real men spin Subaru
You hardly see these around anymore in NZ they've been driven to extinction
mikeyjames1000 saay whaat?? Come to south Auckland
Still got T Models in NZ, haven't you.
gotta tell the lads to stop crashing them then ;)
2:13 that ones CAI was loud af
In combination with an EWG
@@mikey_gc8 dont forget the ABDCAK47 too
Sounded like the waste gate to me
@@Yuaaaur ..nah, it was definitely a dump valve.
@@BaddaBigBoom What dump valve stays open during wot, come on man, the ewg spring on it must be set pretty low to open early, all my friends run a ewg including me so I know what it sounds like
It's Forester heaven!
would hope so as its a meet just for foresters aha. but yes, some very very nice cars there
Just a bunch of waste gates, on to the next video
soo, what did you expect to see from a forester video...???
Lady says Forester looks so good in black, here I am with my SG9 in black :P My kinda girl :D
fair fair aha, thats also my sister so careful what you say ;)
Thanks for the video!
all good mate!
That evo 8 mr would smoke all of em 😂
look... you're probably right aha. although there were some really well done ones in there that would be tough to stay with
Probably not
Don't worry about it, one STI can handle your Evo.
Lol, Wrong Neighbourhood, Son 🙄 Subaru/Forester Up In This Bitch 💪
Take Your @Evo Some Place Else Mate 😅
This is such a cool video
Thoes 98s look so pretty 😁
they're certainly quiet machine ;)
I have a 98 its my first subaru i love it but i want a front lip really bad make it look more aggressive 😤
Heard one in my city.. welp might as well buy my self one of these
may as well, a comfy, very practical and relatively cheap car
Oh sweet Jesus 😍 those boxer engine sounds
will never get sick of it!!
Dang ! All of them must have gotten bad gas from the same gas station . They are all sneezing and farting .
some of them are running on that corn juice, the sneezing is the unicorn farts
I love Subaru’s 😍
you and i both!
😍😍😍 that subie sound
never gets old!!
not one lifted 😩
Nice though :)
there was 2, just didn't stay long enough to get them
Oh man this makes me miss my MY99 GT so freaking bad!
i want to get one one day!! i need a foz in my life aha
RIP this years fozfest
so bumbed hey... but i think they're just rescheduling for later in the year, not actually cancelled yet
@@sebsshenanigans yeah on their Facebook page they have updates. Postponed but not cancelled but hey on the bright side it gives me more time to get mine ready
Mall crawler and grocery getters!!! Lol
don't know about "crawl" but some kind of taking away the functionality of a forester for sure aha
SF is still HOT ,great design)))
I love the 2000 subaru foresters
It's different fun it's a different culture
its a culture thats for sure
Must have watched this 30 times,,, just watching again to see if I should get me wheels white
white wheels certainly have a better presence
@@sebsshenanigans I've got 04 forester xt champaign gold.. Black wheels at mo, was thinking of gold but think would be too much.. Love vid tho 💯 wish I was rolling out mesen we lads,, you'd certainly here mine ✨💪💯🇬🇧💨💨💨 subaru power......
yeah maybe to much gold aha, some white would make it pop though!!
something about the older boxy ones that I really like
the box look is definitely better than what theyre coming out with now
Subaru the best 🔥🔥🔥
Fozzy’s Rock!
keep getting more and more tempted to buy one aha
@@sebsshenanigans I bought mine in 2010. I have an 04’ foz XT. Tein flex z’s, huge TMI, Grimm speed up pipe, Cobb catback 3”, Cobb intake, Cobb access port, VF48, walbro fuel pump. 18x8.5 Klutch republic wheels 35+. Tuned PIA. Always a good day when driving in FOZMODE
You can’t beat a good subie Rumble 😍😏😍
never get sick of it :') cant wait for my one to be louder
Subways Shenanigans I know tell me about it love it hahsh
Oh yeah mad 😜😜
2004-2008 FXT best car Subaru has ever made.
its good.... but not 02 sti good
I got a question so I have an 04 XT and stock exhaust except for STI genome muffler, I want more rumble though, dont know what route I should take to get it, was thinking of a resonator delete (but heard some people find it raspy) or just a muffler delete all together (looking for a cheap option for now until I can get a full turbo back, or if anyone has cheap exhaust recommendations shoot them my way please)
the stock resonators realllly muffle that sound down. so id say keep the sti muffler. then that mid resonator get it cut out and a 6' or 12 hotdog put it. will bring out more rumble without it getting raspy
11:10 "your in the wrong neighbourhood boy"
in all honesty... that evo could probably pull on most of them...
Is that a car meet dedicated for subies? Is this what you would call heaven
Just for foresters
we do have an event called subinats. but this one is just for the foresters
Its amazing
That's at Ingleburn back roads
shh ;)
2:27 will beat them all, in a car park with speed humps 🐨👍🏼
yeah, as good as they look lowered, kinda takes away the practicality the forester was made for
Good stuff.
its like heaven
certainly the place to be if you love the boxer rumble ;)
About that everything look good in back
is it worth getting the xt or should i just get a regular for cheaper
depends what you want to do man. if you plan on going off roading, sand/mud all that. go the non turbo because they got the dual range gearbox. turbo models dont have that. if you're just wanting a practical suv kinda thing do sounds alright, good aftermarket support and ok power. xt for sure
@@sebsshenanigans I fitted a 25mm body lift to my SG9 XT Auto, 16 inch Steel rims from the normally aspirated Forester, higher profile Geolander AT tyres, cotton canvas seat covers, Aluminium sump and diff bash plates, and Thule racks and roof box. It goes just about anywhere - don‘t need dual range with an auto. Also removed the cats - it has a 3 inch free flow exhaust with the standard rear box so it’s quiet and had a custom tune.
HOW MAY I KNOW WHAT PAINT COLOUR CODE OR WHAT COLOUR FOR THE FORESTER AT 0.54 SECOND
Champagne opal, code is 33l or 39j depending on the year
wonder if there's anything like this in the states, seems like fozzies are thought of more like soccer mom wagons than anything fun.
i know you guys have a big subaru festival of some kind, dont think ive ever heard of a forester one though
Luv it 👌👌
the 3rd Gen at 3:20 is FIRE!!!!!!!
any temptation to buy one... ;)
What's the paint code for the car at 4:16
That looks like a midnight purple colour
The evo being in the wrong neighborhood lol bruh that evo might have been hunting
🤣🤣🤣🤣😂True Hunting for 🐰🐰
look... it would probably chop all the foresters... but you can't put a bed in the back of the evo.. aha
Subways Shenanigans lol I mean you could if you got the evo wagon
@@montelwilliams9378 unfortunately we didnt get those here -_- otherwise i probably would have got one instead of the rexy ahaha
Not so sure about chopping the Foresters. Never, but never underestimate the STI Forester!!! They can smoke your Evo.