Proud to be a Carv founding member. Can’t wait to use Carv 2. Carv has elevated my ski game tremendously. ⛷️ Thank you to the entire Carv team for your innovation and dedication to the sport.
This video really helped address my main concern about the accuracy of measuring pressure without the boot insert-thanks for clarifying that! One suggestion: it would be great to see a side-by-side comparison of Carv v1 and v2 on the same boots, with both devices capturing similar data. That would further reinforce the accuracy of v2!
Although I agree with your comparison test, I think the most important test is whether carv 2 is with skiers learning new skills an improvement over carv 1. For sure, 'All terrain ' is an improvement - the ability to convey what it should feel like from an experts perspective is super emotive but there is also a 'Skill's ' level 1, 2 and 3 that should be reached in these terrains. Instructors also give morale support and safety support to timid skiers. Group lessons can be a way to really enjoy a ski holiday as well - of course, I'm now fully off-piste.
Just came back from OberGurgl and used Carv 2 continually for a week. I have a lot of observations but overall it was very interesting, fun and easy to use.
Great video! Thanks for making this. Got my new V2 sensors and am excited to see how they do this season! Gotta love the people complaining about the data accuracy (no pressure sensor) when they cannot see what you all see. I trust the process!
Congrats to the Carv team! I am a founding member and the Carv1 helped me get to level 146. I burnt through 2 batteries and 3 insoles :-) But that's OK. I love your product and will continue to sponsor and buy. So now I just got the Carv 2 and am excited to try it out in Dec and break 150:-) Let's see if I will miss the pressure metrics, but I am sure it remain a great companion when skiing alone without friends to provide feedback.
Fantastic video! It feels truly special to be part of this community and to witness such amazing technique. Could you create a video featuring a beginner showing their progress using Carv? Right now, I only see videos with amazing skiers.
My main concern is losing the data on weight distribution across the foot, which was one of the key reasons I was excited to purchase Carv. Is the new sensor able to replicate or approximate this in some way, or is it not essential to proper ski technique? I remember the original Carv emphasizing the importance of weight distribution for improving form from the ground up.
Speaking as an early intermediate skier who used Carv 1 last season and will be using Carv 2 this season, I suspect this transition has more to do with manufacturing efficiency and ease of use than technical accuracy BUT you've convinced me that anything lost in technical accuracy will be more than compensated for by flexibility of use.
As I switched my Carv units over to Carv 2 I had that thought of do I have to put the sensors in exactly the same place on the boots? What if I tighten the power strap and it moves? How do I calibrate it? And then this video drops! Can’t wat to try them this weekend
Honestly I didn't feel the need of a digital coach off piste where you probably look for silence immersing yourself in mother nature. "Carv" means carving which means technique on groomed slopes. By removing some metrics (like external and toes pressure) I fear that the accuracy will be downgraded. Being an IQ 146 exactly the opposite of what I was looking for . I'll give a try to Carv2 but I believe that I'll soon come back to my well working Carv1 if the full range of metric is still working. Could the Carv team confirm that using Carv1 with the new app the external pressure will continue to be detected, as well as the toes movement?
I understand from explanation on website that new model doesn't use any pressure metrics, and as IQ 148 I share your frustration. From cost-reduction point of view it definitely makes sense: one model and one handling for both gen1 and gen2. I'm willing to give new carv model a try, but pressure metrics were super important to me (outer vs. inner ski and forward/back balance) so I don't have my expectations too high
good move putting them on the sides (or fronts) of the boot, I've had a few boot heater batteries get smashed on some low chairlifts while getting on them
Hi Carv, I'd be interested to know how you can distinguish a carved turn from a skidded turn. In both cases you have a curved path, skis on edge etc. I assume you cannot model sidecut or effective sidecut so how do you know if a turn is carved vs skidded?
What is the connection point made of? This looks like a very easy way to break it after a while when you crash. Would love to know more about that part
Is carv2 device different from carv1 besides the lack of the insert? Will carv1 still capture the same level of data as carv 2 in the updated app? Could you explain a bit more?
Carv 2 measures 10 performance metrics, including most of the existing metrics used in Carv 1 - as these were also coming from the motion sensor. We can no longer measure the outside pressure metric or early weight transfer, but instead we have been able to detect a really powerful new metric called transition weight release, using acceleration to detect your unweighting. There is a big upgrade in the app for Carv 2 (and existing Carv 1 users) - by focussing more on motion we've invested in showing the actual turn shape you skied, and overlaying data so you can diagnose where things are happening in the turn. That is a game changer for many skiers.
I am wondering what would happened if I would fit carv 1 and 2 and run with 2 phones at the same time. Would the results be the same? I doubt Any comments on that?
Cool. Does anyone know why my ski IQ has dropped 13 points from when I actually did it in August? I can't find anywhere that there was very material recalibration.
I may use my C2 for the first time on Friday. Two questions: my C1 no longer shows in my app, but I'd still like to use it, in my other boots to compare. And two, the C2 is constantly on in the background on my iOS app, and it's draining my battery. How to get it to stop?
Carv will show you your skiing I including any asymmetries caused by injury - allowing you to understand how best to overcome any limitations - hope that helps
No - first 10-20 seconds of your day the sensor is working out where it is - but it doesn’t just do this skiing it also does it on the lift and walking around - so the sensor can locate it self as you get to the top of the run We wouldn’t recommend flipping the sensor upside down between each run - but small adjustments should be ok
Smooth carpet is way different to irregular profile, hard/soft-ness and slipperiness of real ski conditions. The orientation and acceleration/impact/vibration sensing in these new devices must be so much more sensitive and the interpretation of the data must be a huge data crunch. Love the tech.👍 Proprietary secrets aside would love to know (roughly) how much of a step change the tech and compute is. Is it all onboard or some offloaded to paired phone? Can it cope with a loosely fixed powerstrap or does it need a close cinch for reliability of measurement. Fixing to backside of boot might be "safest" for device to avoid most impacts from user accidents although if at top of cuff it will get a clattering from ski-lifts...hmmm. Maybe on the front of boot in front of ankle? Would probably need a durable low profile mount (2-strapped around back and sole) mount that can be easily fitted to boot and then the sensor clipped to like a bike light.
Not sold. It still does not tell me what my toes are doing which the old Carv does, or did as I understand the have removed that measurement. Probably great for lower level skiers but not for the fine-tuning a 140+ IQ requires.
One plus side is better reliability. My old carv1 sensors were getting weird and flaky last year. I skied with the old sensors today to compare. They remained weird and flaky, so carv2 is better for me. Of course I'm a plebe and still trying to break into the 130s... 😂
Why does carv list many of my turns as groomed when I know that run was powder or moguls? Seems like you need some individual or terrain specific ground truth.
Nice product but horrible business model. How about make carv 2 just the same as carv but with a fixed price for life? I dont like repaying for my property.
Carv is horrible. Creates locked up and contrived skiers. Does not create skiers that edge at the correct time nor with proper muscular tension! Another worthless gimmick!
Nice hyperbole but thousands of users, including myself, would disagree. Hardly a worthless gimmick if it's has propelled so many skiers in their advancement.
As someone who used books, videos, gear change and instruction to learn to ski I don't think this would have helped me although it could possibly let you know if you are able to achieve a racing edge angle. I just bought race skis to try that with. By buying race skis and expert boots once I had got to intermediate level I knew I would not be able to blame my gear for my falls which was the case with the intermediate skis I bought but I had no idea how fast I would progress.
@@petercreagh8797 Can you name a few books, please? I am eager to use as many sources to improve my skiing too. I have just ordered CARV 2 and I normally have sessions with instructors too when I go skiing.
I have had tremendous improvement in ALL aspects of my skiing technique since utilizing Carv for 3 seasons. It has especially helped in getting me out of the backseat once I knew what the feeling of a proper turn felt like. I’m sorry to hear you have had a terrible experience with it. How long did you use it for?? From my online research and chairlift chat, it seems that almost all critical reactions to Carv are from those who have not yet experienced it 🤷🏻
Proud to be a Carv founding member. Can’t wait to use Carv 2. Carv has elevated my ski game tremendously. ⛷️ Thank you to the entire Carv team for your innovation and dedication to the sport.
Right on!
This video really helped address my main concern about the accuracy of measuring pressure without the boot insert-thanks for clarifying that!
One suggestion: it would be great to see a side-by-side comparison of Carv v1 and v2 on the same boots, with both devices capturing similar data. That would further reinforce the accuracy of v2!
Thanks for the suggestion
Although I agree with your comparison test, I think the most important test is whether carv 2 is with skiers learning new skills an improvement over carv 1. For sure, 'All terrain ' is an improvement - the ability to convey what it should feel like from an experts perspective is super emotive but there is also a 'Skill's ' level 1, 2 and 3 that should be reached in these terrains. Instructors also give morale support and safety support to timid skiers. Group lessons can be a way to really enjoy a ski holiday as well - of course, I'm now fully off-piste.
Just came back from OberGurgl and used Carv 2 continually for a week. I have a lot of observations but overall it was very interesting, fun and easy to use.
I've only got 3 days on Carv2 and I am very impressed. A real tip of the hat to the idea person that moved to using Accelerometers.
Great video! Thanks for making this. Got my new V2 sensors and am excited to see how they do this season! Gotta love the people complaining about the data accuracy (no pressure sensor) when they cannot see what you all see. I trust the process!
Right on! 👍
Congrats to the Carv team! I am a founding member and the Carv1 helped me get to level 146. I burnt through 2 batteries and 3 insoles :-) But that's OK. I love your product and will continue to sponsor and buy. So now I just got the Carv 2 and am excited to try it out in Dec and break 150:-) Let's see if I will miss the pressure metrics, but I am sure it remain a great companion when skiing alone without friends to provide feedback.
That is awesome! 🙌
I upgraded as soon as Carv 2 became available to users. I can't wait to get back out there this season and see the difference that this version makes.
Wow such a good reference to see this skiing on the moving carpet. What a great video. Thanks so much!
Thank you for watching
Fantastic video! It feels truly special to be part of this community and to witness such amazing technique. Could you create a video featuring a beginner showing their progress using Carv? Right now, I only see videos with amazing skiers.
Great suggestion!
My main concern is losing the data on weight distribution across the foot, which was one of the key reasons I was excited to purchase Carv. Is the new sensor able to replicate or approximate this in some way, or is it not essential to proper ski technique? I remember the original Carv emphasizing the importance of weight distribution for improving form from the ground up.
Speaking as an early intermediate skier who used Carv 1 last season and will be using Carv 2 this season, I suspect this transition has more to do with manufacturing efficiency and ease of use than technical accuracy BUT you've convinced me that anything lost in technical accuracy will be more than compensated for by flexibility of use.
While making carv more accessible to more skiers was a big aim for us - unlocking motion has lead to a significant improvement in data quality
Please consider leaving access to previous model and metrics for people that have carv1 with pressure sensors!
As I switched my Carv units over to Carv 2 I had that thought of do I have to put the sensors in exactly the same place on the boots? What if I tighten the power strap and it moves? How do I calibrate it?
And then this video drops! Can’t wat to try them this weekend
Glad we could help
I can't wait to try the Carv2 on my old Carv.
We’re excited for you to try it!
Same, but mine is being held hostage by Canada Post (they're on strike and they have it at a distribution facility)
Honestly I didn't feel the need of a digital coach off piste where you probably look for silence immersing yourself in mother nature. "Carv" means carving which means technique on groomed slopes. By removing some metrics (like external and toes pressure) I fear that the accuracy will be downgraded. Being an IQ 146 exactly the opposite of what I was looking for . I'll give a try to Carv2 but I believe that I'll soon come back to my well working Carv1 if the full range of metric is still working. Could the Carv team confirm that using Carv1 with the new app the external pressure will continue to be detected, as well as the toes movement?
I understand from explanation on website that new model doesn't use any pressure metrics, and as IQ 148 I share your frustration. From cost-reduction point of view it definitely makes sense: one model and one handling for both gen1 and gen2.
I'm willing to give new carv model a try, but pressure metrics were super important to me (outer vs. inner ski and forward/back balance) so I don't have my expectations too high
good move putting them on the sides (or fronts) of the boot, I've had a few boot heater batteries get smashed on some low chairlifts while getting on them
Hi Carv, I'd be interested to know how you can distinguish a carved turn from a skidded turn. In both cases you have a curved path, skis on edge etc. I assume you cannot model sidecut or effective sidecut so how do you know if a turn is carved vs skidded?
What is the connection point made of? This looks like a very easy way to break it after a while when you crash. Would love to know more about that part
We have crash tested it lots!
@@CarvSki Dit it ever break and whats the connection made of?
Connection is steel pinned to ridged plastic body. If you crash hard enough to break it we’re afraid you may have bigger worries than Carv breaking… 😅
@@CarvSki Thats fair enough haha, thanks for the reply
Is carv2 device different from carv1 besides the lack of the insert? Will carv1 still capture the same level of data as carv 2 in the updated app? Could you explain a bit more?
Carv 2 measures 10 performance metrics, including most of the existing metrics used in Carv 1 - as these were also coming from the motion sensor. We can no longer measure the outside pressure metric or early weight transfer, but instead we have been able to detect a really powerful new metric called transition weight release, using acceleration to detect your unweighting.
There is a big upgrade in the app for Carv 2 (and existing Carv 1 users) - by focussing more on motion we've invested in showing the actual turn shape you skied, and overlaying data so you can diagnose where things are happening in the turn. That is a game changer for many skiers.
I am wondering what would happened if I would fit carv 1 and 2 and run with 2 phones at the same time. Would the results be the same? I doubt
Any comments on that?
Cool. Does anyone know why my ski IQ has dropped 13 points from when I actually did it in August? I can't find anywhere that there was very material recalibration.
I may use my C2 for the first time on Friday. Two questions: my C1 no longer shows in my app, but I'd still like to use it, in my other boots to compare. And two, the C2 is constantly on in the background on my iOS app, and it's draining my battery. How to get it to stop?
You can "forget" your carv2 sensors and re-pair your carv1 sensors. I did it today to make a comparison.
Can you set parameters to compensate for an injury that limits some movement?
Carv will show you your skiing I including any asymmetries caused by injury - allowing you to understand how best to overcome any limitations - hope that helps
@ ok, so unlike a French ski instructor it won’t laugh at me because my left shakes due to spinal cord damage + fusion 😂
Hi, do you still need the Carv1 or you can just get the Carv2 without the inserts?
Carv 2 is not using the insert.
Carv 1 is still supported (let a buddy run it while you use the Carv 2 units)
So are we saying that first 10-20 seconds of each run are throwaways? For small mountains this would be very suboptimal.
No - first 10-20 seconds of your day the sensor is working out where it is - but it doesn’t just do this skiing it also does it on the lift and walking around - so the sensor can locate it self as you get to the top of the run
We wouldn’t recommend flipping the sensor upside down between each run - but small adjustments should be ok
Smooth carpet is way different to irregular profile, hard/soft-ness and slipperiness of real ski conditions. The orientation and acceleration/impact/vibration sensing in these new devices must be so much more sensitive and the interpretation of the data must be a huge data crunch. Love the tech.👍 Proprietary secrets aside would love to know (roughly) how much of a step change the tech and compute is. Is it all onboard or some offloaded to paired phone?
Can it cope with a loosely fixed powerstrap or does it need a close cinch for reliability of measurement. Fixing to backside of boot might be "safest" for device to avoid most impacts from user accidents although if at top of cuff it will get a clattering from ski-lifts...hmmm. Maybe on the front of boot in front of ankle? Would probably need a durable low profile mount (2-strapped around back and sole) mount that can be easily fitted to boot and then the sensor clipped to like a bike light.
We suggest you attach Carv 2 to a tight power strap, if it’s too loose the system unfortunately won’t work
@@CarvSki You say ' If it's too loose' it won't work - naturally then any looseness can generate inaccurate input data. Hmm, interesting... thank you.
So Carv1 Black Friday sale??
yes :)
Why is motion AI not available in the app?
All our metrics use AI motion - the boot diagram is currently not available but we are hoping to make it available to all users in the future
Are those work for beginners or level 3 like me 😅
Both!
Not sold. It still does not tell me what my toes are doing which the old Carv does, or did as I understand the have removed that measurement. Probably great for lower level skiers but not for the fine-tuning a 140+ IQ requires.
Sorry … fine tuning it’s for people with 155+ … 140 ski iq is barely know how to carv. Yes my ski iq is 160 + 😅
One plus side is better reliability. My old carv1 sensors were getting weird and flaky last year. I skied with the old sensors today to compare. They remained weird and flaky, so carv2 is better for me. Of course I'm a plebe and still trying to break into the 130s... 😂
Do you love carv 1? The day after I set up, I tore my ACL and my season was over
Have you tried the new IQ? They say it scored everyone down by 20.(I was 168, now at 157)
Why does carv list many of my turns as groomed when I know that run was powder or moguls? Seems like you need some individual or terrain specific ground truth.
5:10 looks like Brenna Kelleher!
👀
Nice product but horrible business model. How about make carv 2 just the same as carv but with a fixed price for life? I dont like repaying for my property.
Fair point, but your really paying for the AI and not the physical product.
Carv is horrible. Creates locked up and contrived skiers. Does not create skiers that edge at the correct time nor with proper muscular tension! Another worthless gimmick!
Nice hyperbole but thousands of users, including myself, would disagree. Hardly a worthless gimmick if it's has propelled so many skiers in their advancement.
What a hot take. Stupid but hot.
As someone who used books, videos, gear change and instruction to learn to ski I don't think this would have helped me although it could possibly let you know if you are able to achieve a racing edge angle. I just bought race skis to try that with. By buying race skis and expert boots once I had got to intermediate level I knew I would not be able to blame my gear for my falls which was the case with the intermediate skis I bought but I had no idea how fast I would progress.
@@petercreagh8797 Can you name a few books, please? I am eager to use as many sources to improve my skiing too. I have just ordered CARV 2 and I normally have sessions with instructors too when I go skiing.
I have had tremendous improvement in ALL aspects of my skiing technique since utilizing Carv for 3 seasons. It has especially helped in getting me out of the backseat once I knew what the feeling of a proper turn felt like. I’m sorry to hear you have had a terrible experience with it. How long did you use it for?? From my online research and chairlift chat, it seems that almost all critical reactions to Carv are from those who have not yet experienced it 🤷🏻
When can we expect new languages to be added for audio coaching ?
Not this season unfortunately - but hopefully in the future