That star looks like a flower to me. In any case, blued with red grips is by far the best and most classic look for a PPK. Absolutely beautiful, and that first holster looks like it's in amazing condition.
Eidelweiss (sp) flower? Mountain division? I know there was such a unit in the kraut army. They wore an Eideweiss flower (Alpine plant, only grows at high elevations) on their uniforms to signify mountaineers. Special training, etc.
May not be a star, but Eidelweiss (sp) flower? Kraut army had a mountain unit/Alpine training. They wore an Eidelweiss flower (Alpine plant grows at high altitudes) to signify mountaineering training. Think US 10th Mountain Division.
Very interesting and great detective work. Very logical conclusion. Does the factory still exist (unlikely) or perhaps are records from the company exist (maybe).
Good day, Your videos are filled with some amazing eye candy that’s mostly out of my reach but, it is worth the sugar withdrawals to keep watching. ;) You probably have done this search before but, have you tried to do a trademark search from Germany or Europe from that time period? Also, the H may stand for holster and 75 is the model number or H is for the manufacturers name? Stay safe and have a great holiday season!
Curtiss Hawk Model 75 (P-36 Hawk) was a predecessor to the Curtiss P-40 Warhawk. It was considered a very good fighter in it's time, and you are correct about it's service. Built mostly as an export fighter. There were 900 built for export. And possibly several hundred captured by the Germans and operated by German and Axis squadrons. As far as I can tell there are only 6 or 7 fully restored with only 3 or 4 being airworthy. As an airline pilot I also have the bug to study WWII aircraft. Absolutely cannot afford to collect those! ;) Based on your extensive knowledge and experience, I would say your conjecture about the meaning of the H75 seems logical. I am an absolute total amateur compared to you when it comes to collecting firearms. But thanks to you I have acquired the passion to collect, study, learn about, and preserve WWI and WWII fire arms. I just love buying a new collectable firearm and learning every detail of it's history. Although that often only raises more questions. Your videos are a very valuable source of information. And often even entertaining! By the way, my wife and my bank account hate you! ;) Thanks for always putting out such great videos. :) Jim Gillespie
The "Nur fur Pistole..." means "Only for" , so if the same mindset that decrees that the holster is only for a certain pistol type, it follows that the aircraft type would fit, and just to make sure that this is understood, the aircraft type is stamped inside and out.
Code jsd is Gustav Reinhardt Lederwarenfabrik, Berlin. At first I thought your theory of marking the plane code H75 on the holster was a real stretch but after looking at numerous similar holsters on line, none of which were marked H75, maybe your theory has some value.
i think the star company was renamed after WW1 the original name i'm not sure of but that plastic box puts me in mind of some metal ones from WW1 with a different company's name on them and it was a common practice to change names between wars to try and get around the Versaille treaty! i don't see the factory having a 100 guards though, so maybe the executives got a gun also the shoulder holster tends to say that was an executives gun more than a guard's gun a guard would use a belt/hip holster more than a shoulder holster! on the H75, i don;t see it being linked to a certain plane (a unit maybe!) like that could it be a rack number of an inspectors stamp?
I have a Walther. judging by your videos. 854614 is pre war . the only marks on it are the crown N proof marks on barrel and slide. it is polished . my question. On the front strap it says Mod. Z.B.1019 ..what have I got ?
I have the same type of holster but for the Nazi FN Browning 1922, I am sure there is usually more markings inside or behind the big belt loop, might be worth you checking.
I don't think either theory holds up. The Walter theory is the more plausible but even that seems weak to me. Why would a star-shell manufacturer want specially marked pistols for it's security guards? What purpose would it serve? Not only would it increase the cost of the pistols, it would almost certainly delay delivery, and for what reason? I don't know why the pistols carry a star but I don't think your explanation holds water. As for the marking on the holster on the other pistol; that makes no sense at all. Aircrew of the period were issued with sidearms. That was their own weapon and went with them wherever they were posted. Individual aircraft didn't, with the exception of special survival equipment, come with individually marked firearms. So, someone posted to a Bf 109 squadron could find himself subsequently posted to a FW 190 squadron, or, a Bf 109 squadron could be transformed into a FW 190 unit and so on and so forth. Having squadron or aircraft marked weapons would be absurd in such circumstances. So, pistols marked for a bunch of obscure, captured, second-rate aircraft just wouldn't have happened .
Hey, I just received my step grandfather's ppk that he got during the war and it has a serial number past your range with the star. I'd like to know more info if you have any. Thanks
having some basic knowledge concerning signals I think it's a bit of a leap from the very distinct Star of David to the star label of a signal cartridge box. The star symbolism comes from the pyrotechnical term "star" used to define the light producing elements of fireworks. Signals need to be identified as either daytime smoke or star or Stern, for night use. The labels seen at 4:15 are simply identifying the contents, ie "star signal" cartridges.
Reasoning here, that most likely NOT Star of David, as that is two superimposed triangles. More likely, a tool stamp merely to indicate an earmarked (specially set aside) range of serial numbers. And, a floral toolstamp usually consists of rounded, or more "petals"...
sternsignalpatronen is not the company name , it just means its a flare round that looks like a star with a star like symbol on it to make it obvious to any soldier that picks it up
The aircraft photos you are showing with the swastika are from the Finish Air Force however, there is no mention of the H75 on the WW2 Finish Air Force wikipedia page, until I realised that the plane is called a "Curtiss P-36 Hawk" and not an H-75 and is described in detail, here:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-36_Hawk
Does it feel like a job if you enjoy it that much? I have a question I hope someone can help with. While not a pre-post war PPK/S I just bought a 9mm kurz made in W. Germany that was a service members bring back in 1986, so it has no import markings. If I had to guess its from the 70's. What is my best resource to find the year it was manufactured?
@@LegacyCollectibles Mine doesn't have any numbers on the ejector, leading me to belive Walther stopped doing this at some point. I think mine is made in 1983 because it has the letters ID with an antler on the slide, under the ejection port.
@@rodgerjohnson3375 I respectfully disagree. The star of Remphan is a 6-pointed hexagonal star, and relates to the worship of Saturn, which is the supposed 6th planet away from the Sun and has a hexagram spinning at its pole. There is also zero scriptural or Talmudic evidence or references to any “Star of David” being any part of Judaic theology or identity. Don’t fool yourself my friend, The Star of David IS the Star of Remphan.
It's NOT a "Star of David" any more than every swastika is a Nazi Hakenkreuz. It's merely a star symbol with six points. Early American company logos were full of similar stars, including Dodge Brothers automobiles.
I am was having a bad couple days and your video today made me laugh a couple times aloud!! I am happy to have found your channel. Thank you "Green Room" and no your not a Dumb A** far from it!!........
All of the pictures of the H75 with swastikas were Finnish, we used the swastika already before the Nazis and as you can see it's different compared to the Nazi version that is rotated slightly so it's not "horizontal" like the Finnish one which was blue on a white background.
Why would you insult Trump when he recognized Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel and moved the US Embassy there. I love the videos, but keep your political views to yourself.
Great to have you back from vacation 👍🙂
Man oh man, you are tanned, rested, and ready! Get after it my man.
That star looks like a flower to me. In any case, blued with red grips is by far the best and most classic look for a PPK. Absolutely beautiful, and that first holster looks like it's in amazing condition.
I had the same flower thought.
Eidelweiss (sp) flower? Mountain division? I know there was such a unit in the kraut army. They wore an Eideweiss flower (Alpine plant, only grows at high elevations) on their uniforms to signify mountaineers. Special training, etc.
The star of David historically doesn't exist, its the star of remphan. Renamed it to take light away from what it represents.
May not be a star, but Eidelweiss (sp) flower? Kraut army had a mountain unit/Alpine training. They wore an Eidelweiss flower (Alpine plant grows at high altitudes) to signify mountaineering training. Think US 10th Mountain Division.
Didnt think of that...... Could be
Very good observation - it does look like an edelweiss flower.
&Richard obriecht I thought the same thing when I seen it
I agree, Edelweiss.
I think you are onto something but might be some sort of national park guards?
Too interesting!
Looking forward to channel fans coming up with more definitive information on these two guns.
Your theory on the Walther makes sense to me Tom.
Great history update on the Curtis.
Great video , as usual. I enjoyed it very much, and learn something each time I watch.
Will you have a booth at the Louisville SOS show in February. If so I will plan on stopping by
Always enjoy your vids, Tom. Please keep them coming 😎
Nice tan . Always great videos. My favourite channel on UA-cam, always watch them. Ian Liverpool England
Very interesting and great detective work. Very logical conclusion. Does the factory still exist (unlikely) or perhaps are records from the company exist (maybe).
Thank you. Always love your videos.
Good day,
Your videos are filled with some amazing eye candy that’s mostly out of my reach but, it is worth the sugar withdrawals to keep watching. ;)
You probably have done this search before but, have you tried to do a trademark search from Germany or Europe from that time period?
Also, the H may stand for holster and 75 is the model number or H is for the manufacturers name?
Stay safe and have a great holiday season!
Another outstanding video and presentation.
Curtiss Hawk Model 75 (P-36 Hawk) was a predecessor to the Curtiss P-40 Warhawk. It was considered a very good fighter in it's time, and you are correct about it's service. Built mostly as an export fighter. There were 900 built for export. And possibly several hundred captured by the Germans and operated by German and Axis squadrons. As far as I can tell there are only 6 or 7 fully restored with only 3 or 4 being airworthy. As an airline pilot I also have the bug to study WWII aircraft. Absolutely cannot afford to collect those! ;) Based on your extensive knowledge and experience, I would say your conjecture about the meaning of the H75 seems logical. I am an absolute total amateur compared to you when it comes to collecting firearms. But thanks to you I have acquired the passion to collect, study, learn about, and preserve WWI and WWII fire arms. I just love buying a new collectable firearm and learning every detail of it's history. Although that often only raises more questions. Your videos are a very valuable source of information. And often even entertaining! By the way, my wife and my bank account hate you! ;) Thanks for always putting out such great videos. :) Jim Gillespie
The Finns made good use of them, kept them even after the war.
The "Nur fur Pistole..." means "Only for" , so if the same mindset that decrees that the holster is only for a certain pistol type, it follows that the aircraft type would fit, and just to make sure that this is understood, the aircraft type is stamped inside and out.
not really especially with a limited number of planes and knowing full well they'd be losses! plus no other holsters were ever found done that way!
I had a P38 AC 45 b block with a star symbol with six points on the locking block.
We do love this channel!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I was about to write "Nice tan Tom".
Tom nice gun...it was in Grumpy's collection and you know the buyer who got it at goon day.
What a tan my man. Looked that you had a great time
That “Trump Orange glow” was hilarious! Hope the vacation was good!
That tan scared me lol!
You look Great !,!!!!!
Damn it is fake
As opposed to the decrepit, beady eyed, hair-lipped child-sniffer currently in office?
great stuff tom as always
Thanks Tom....Excellent fun gun video....!
Is it me or does the last five in the serial number look bigger than the second to last five?
""VERY INTERESTING"" How the Logo of the Company was a Star of David.
Code jsd is Gustav Reinhardt Lederwarenfabrik, Berlin. At first I thought your theory of marking the plane code H75 on the holster was a real stretch but after looking at numerous similar holsters on line, none of which were marked H75, maybe your theory has some value.
i think the star company was renamed after WW1 the original name i'm not sure of but that plastic box puts me in mind of some metal ones from WW1 with a different company's name on them and it was a common practice to change names between wars to try and get around the Versaille treaty! i don't see the factory having a 100 guards though, so maybe the executives got a gun also the shoulder holster tends to say that was an executives gun more than a guard's gun a guard would use a belt/hip holster more than a shoulder holster! on the H75, i don;t see it being linked to a certain plane (a unit maybe!) like that could it be a rack number of an inspectors stamp?
I have a Walther. judging by your videos. 854614 is pre war . the only marks on it are the crown N proof marks on barrel and slide. it is polished . my question. On the front strap it says Mod. Z.B.1019 ..what have I got ?
enjoyed, you looked like George Hamilton but smarter looking
I have the same type of holster but for the Nazi FN Browning 1922, I am sure there is usually more markings inside or behind the big belt loop, might be worth you checking.
You really sold it there at the beginning.....
I like the healthy tan! Keep up the amazing work
Thank you!!!
Ever see an enfield no 2 with the Star of David on it?
That tan was a good joke
Enjoying my 1918 dwm artillery, thanks very much
I don't think either theory holds up. The Walter theory is the more plausible but even that seems weak to me. Why would a star-shell manufacturer want specially marked pistols for it's security guards? What purpose would it serve? Not only would it increase the cost of the pistols, it would almost certainly delay delivery, and for what reason? I don't know why the pistols carry a star but I don't think your explanation holds water. As for the marking on the holster on the other pistol; that makes no sense at all. Aircrew of the period were issued with sidearms. That was their own weapon and went with them wherever they were posted. Individual aircraft didn't, with the exception of special survival equipment, come with individually marked firearms. So, someone posted to a Bf 109 squadron could find himself subsequently posted to a FW 190 squadron, or, a Bf 109 squadron could be transformed into a FW 190 unit and so on and so forth. Having squadron or aircraft marked weapons would be absurd in such circumstances. So, pistols marked for a bunch of obscure, captured, second-rate aircraft just wouldn't have happened .
The “Star” was an inspectors mark. I think it was in 45 they show up.
Hey, I just received my step grandfather's ppk that he got during the war and it has a serial number past your range with the star. I'd like to know more info if you have any. Thanks
Man you fooled me on that tan Tom. Haha Kinda reminded me of someone very famous
What's next a Me 262 stamped Femaru holster and a PPK with crossed potato masher logo?
Contract run linked to the Haavara Agreement?
having some basic knowledge concerning signals I think it's a bit of a leap from the very distinct Star of David to the star label of a signal cartridge box. The star symbolism comes from the pyrotechnical term "star" used to define the light producing elements of fireworks. Signals need to be identified as either daytime smoke or star or Stern, for night use. The labels seen at 4:15 are simply identifying the contents, ie "star signal" cartridges.
Star of David is two interlocking triangles?
Reasoning here, that most likely NOT Star of David, as that is two superimposed triangles. More likely, a tool stamp merely to indicate an earmarked (specially set aside) range of serial numbers. And, a floral toolstamp usually consists of rounded, or more "petals"...
sternsignalpatronen is not the company name , it just means its a flare round that looks like a star with a star like symbol on it to make it obvious to any soldier that picks it up
M37 Femaru came out of the factory with two matching mags
You look good. Thanks for the book.
Edelweiss flower, probably made for Fallschirmjäger soldiers?
Bavarian alpine troops .
Fascinating
The aircraft photos you are showing with the swastika are from the Finish Air Force however, there is no mention of the H75 on the WW2 Finish Air Force wikipedia page, until I realised that the plane is called a "Curtiss P-36 Hawk" and not an H-75 and is described in detail, here:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_P-36_Hawk
Always watch you when I can, the gun and history guy all in one .lol
Legacy Collectables great again 🍊
that h75 holster is beautiful. great historylesson as usual. your tan reminded me of another great american.
Orange Man Good
Wow great info!
Does it feel like a job if you enjoy it that much?
I have a question I hope someone can help with. While not a pre-post war PPK/S I just bought a 9mm kurz made in W. Germany that was a service members bring back in 1986, so it has no import markings.
If I had to guess its from the 70's. What is my best resource to find the year it was manufactured?
If you look in the ejection port there could be a 2 digit number.... like 71. That would be the date.
@@LegacyCollectibles Mine doesn't have any numbers on the ejector, leading me to belive Walther stopped doing this at some point. I think mine is made in 1983 because it has the letters ID with an antler on the slide, under the ejection port.
The star of David historically doesn't exist, its the star of remphan. Renamed it to take light away from what it represents.
Great video 😊
Technically the “Star of David” is actually the “Star of Remphan”….
Star of Remphan has 8 points. The six-pointed Magen David (Star of David).
@@rodgerjohnson3375 I respectfully disagree. The star of Remphan is a 6-pointed hexagonal star, and relates to the worship of Saturn, which is the supposed 6th planet away from the Sun and has a hexagram spinning at its pole.
There is also zero scriptural or Talmudic evidence or references to any “Star of David” being any part of Judaic theology or identity.
Don’t fool yourself my friend, The Star of David IS the Star of Remphan.
@@speddytaghetti7905 Look it up. I had to.
@@rodgerjohnson3375 I don’t need to look it up, I’m well educated in this topic and know what I’m speaking on.
It's NOT a "Star of David" any more than every swastika is a Nazi Hakenkreuz. It's merely a star symbol with six points. Early American company logos were full of similar stars, including Dodge Brothers automobiles.
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Is there any other precedent of the name of the aircraft stamped on the holster? If not then it’s doubtful H75 is the Curtiss. My guess is Halfter 75.
Or it is a factory code. The Germans had three letter codes for all their munitions factories.
Does Walther ever contact you to buy a piece for their factory museum collection?
Nope
You don't want to go down there aljoeson Road
Great content as usual.
I TELL MY WIFE THAT EVERY DAY!!! CALLING ME NAMES IS NOT HELPFUL!
and some people believe santa Claus is real....
You are putting Walt Disney to shame..
I am was having a bad couple days and your video today made me laugh a couple times aloud!! I am happy to have found your channel. Thank you "Green Room" and no your not a Dumb A** far from it!!........
All of the pictures of the H75 with swastikas were Finnish, we used the swastika already before the Nazis and as you can see it's different compared to the Nazi version that is rotated slightly so it's not "horizontal" like the Finnish one which was blue on a white background.
At least Tom wasn’t trying to look like BRANDON..!!!!
what's up with the blackface? I thought it was not cool these days .
I was going for the Donald Trump look
just kidding but I also think the woke mob has it in for the donald to . either way you're going to offend .
Because He’s trying Not to look like BRANDON… dumbazz!!!
Are you certain that is not " edelweiss "
Possible. But not sure what group would have ordered an edelweiss.
H75 looks like it would be the model number to me.
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Why is Donald Trump on Tom’s channel ???
Ref. Jeffersonian1's comment...
Man you have fossilized youself 😂😂😂
I think you have been in the sun too long. To much conjecture for me Just the facts Mam... lol
Three Mississippis? :) ua-cam.com/video/lHtIymtC7uY/v-deo.html
Lots of mystique---poor firearm at best.
They did a good job at making you look like Trump :) Funny, yet somehow sad.
Nice video, but stop using the tanning bed. You'll get skin cancer!!
Why would you insult Trump when he recognized Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel and moved the US Embassy there. I love the videos, but keep your political views to yourself.
You thought my BROWN tanning creme looked like Trump? was never my intent nor do i think getting a tan somehow insults Trump.
@@thomaswhiteman4261 You must not think the "Trump Orange Glow" quip was an insult. Got it.
Do they fix
Donald Skunks
Makeup also ?