Ben Wallace Defense on Shaq - 2004 Finals Game 3
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2015
- Ben Wallace helps hold Shaq to 14 points in a blowout victory during Game 3 of the 2004 Finals. Shaq started off strong but the Pistons blew them out in the 2nd half and Shaq was quiet down the stretch.
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I know people would call me weird, but I love defense plays in NBA, of course I love beautiful offense plays as well, but when you watch your favourite team shutting down the opponent, nothing beats it.
+OnmyRedEye its not weird, I fucking love watching guys like kawhi shutting people down
+OnmyRedEye i wouldnt know cuz lakers havent shut down anyone for 7 years
Nothing like a blocked shot or a stolen pass!!!
Nah agreed. Especially football and basketball
That's not weird at all! I love defense too!!!!
some people don't understand how much of a beast Shaq once was, Ben had beautiful defense on Shaq
yea pretty much almost nobody could guard shaq 1 on 1 at that time..
@@lyhthegreat Rodman could.
@@mrsky67 nah, rodman guarded the "lean shaq" in 1996 when he was only around 300lbs, he later bulked up and put on hell lot of weight after he went to the lakers(around 340 to 370lbs) which was when he was at his prime..if rodman guarded the lakers shaq he would had been shoved around like a kid in the post..still what rodman did what nothing short of impressive, a man his size shouldn't be able to guard a monster like shaq..
lyhthegreat He held Lakers Shaq to 0 points in the 2nd half. Try again please.
@@mrsky67 opps, yeah you're right.
LAL only scores 68!? Damn, what a defense by Piston.
The greatest defense I have ever seen in my life.
They held most of the teams under 80 points in their prime, that was great defense in early 2000’s I miss that kind of defense.
@@Wowvod You'll never see it again. It was after this series that the NBA locked down on hand checking. 60-80 point games are not as exciting for fans as 130-140 point games that we see today. Casuals and young fans think todays players are that much better but in reality it's the rules that dictates how the game goes.
@@sicnarf6971 lol you’re comparing some of the lowest scoring games back then to some of the highest scoring games now. In 2003-04 average points were 93.4, average points last season (2020-21) was 112.1. Still a big difference but you’re over exaggerating by a lot
@@christophergooding9820 Hand checking and physicality give bigger players the advantage. The league has been making rules to take the big man out of the game.
5 second back to the basket violation. Hand checking removed. 2002 legalizing Zone defense to slow down shaq. Physicality reduced. Rewarding flops for years (supposedly the league is cracking down this year on flops and jumping into the defender).
All rules to slow down dominant big men or post players. Dominant big men and post players slow the game down. The league wants to speed things up. More points. Fans don’t want to watch Shaq shoot 26 freethrows a night lol. Young fans want to see dunks, posters, deep 3’s.
You cant teach that kind of hunger in a player, he was just one bad dude! I cant wait for him to be the the HOF with other great defenders like Rodman and Zo
zo or zbo? and zo as in alonzo mourning ?
Rodman is already in the Hall of fame
+Trey Jones so is alonzo
I think that's his point tho...
that's wtf he said you fucking mockingbird
This Piston team is easily the best Pistons team since the Bad Boys. They were the second version; several arguments could be made for either being better than the other. This was the first Finals I ever watched, and it helped me learn what defensive basketball is. It's nice to see those damn Lakers soundly defeated by a TEAM, and not facing against two or three guys in a Finals like they usually did.
in the whole piston teams.. in my opinion, this is the greatest.. simple basic basketball at its highest
Don Elizalde one of the greatest defensive teams ever. 4th qtr 3.38 left laker have only 62 points. CRAZY. wonder how they would fair against golden state with KD
You can make the case. Definitely a top 2 defensive team in NBA history.
When the pistons won still one of the happiest days of my life!
Damn! LAL barely had 60points in a finals games with Kobe & Shaq!🤤
Detroit had a squad that year
Prince on Kobe was equally as effective.
jakethemuss3 even more effective shaq had still good numbers
Yea nobody could stop shaq. only difference vs detroit was he would still get his numbers just 1v1 instead of doubled
Shaq had a bunch of turnovers. Numbers can lie if you only look in the scoring column
Kobe just took bad shots
@@taylorsayliss3815 nah he was getting forced to pass out of shots and pick his dribble up a bunch too. Tayshaun was locking him down, dude.
Sucks we cant see real men, like Big Ben and Shaq do battle in the paint anymore in todays NBA.
yup, they all soft, this days, plus changing so many rules like the stupid freedom of movement inside the paint.
Rudy gobert and Nikolai Jokic has some good battles this year
I loved mid late 90s bastetball, Centers were freaking Titans...
Yeahh.. That's why there's so many flopper's
giannis vs zion, joel embiid
Holding the Lakers to 68 points just shows that this was an all time great defensive team
People say Dennis is the only guy who could defend Shaq one on one, they forgot this guy.
Plenty of guys were able to, there's highlights on here with Charles Oakley also doing an extremely effective job on him.
Man this Pistons team was so great. No superstars... and they were just dominant as hell
And he's just 6'9"! Imagine if he was a 7 footer
6'6 without shoes on.
Paul Cervantes more like 6"8 without shoes
6'3 without hair
Dee Shakur He admitted he's 6'7
he's 6'5 without balls
Strictly from a size perspective, I think Big Ben vs Shaq was the closest my generation came to Russell vs Wilt.
): real
Bro, Big Ben would not let that boi into that circle. ha ha.
Ben Wallace alongside with Hakeem Olajuwon, Dennis Rodman, and Patrick Ewing are the best players to defend Shaq.
Don’t forget Yao Ming
David Robinson usually defended him pretty well too.
Kwame brown
Wallace was one of the few players that was able to defend shaq. its crazy cuz u could see he's smaller, but was just as strong.
Yup he definitely had leg strength for days. All out effort, too.
Not equally strong as Shaq, but strong enough to stop him in many of his attacks. Which is more than what 99% of centers could do. Only Ben Wallace and Dennis Rodman could consistently defend Shaq. Not even Yao could defend him that well as Wallace and Rodman.
This just reminds me that there was a time when Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Kobe Bryant and Shaq were all on the same team.
Yea but Karl Malone and Payton were average at best TBH and didn't really fit in with the team well
Everyone hates on this Pistons team so much and it irks me to no end. Probably because your favorite team got locked up and you can’t handle it. This team was insane.
big ben would be even more dominant in todays undersizef era
Needs to learn how to shoot tho...
Undersized?
@@boyzaya15 yes no one is really build with mass they are more lanky slim built centers who can move around the floor quick. You don’t see much sluggers power houses type Mfs in today’s game
Imagine the amount of strength you need to do that...holy sh...
travel at 2:10 wonder how many of those shaq got away with in his career.
Shaq always had problems with Ben Wallace.
Cracks me up when Doc says Larry is about to get a tech.
So fun to watch even today.
4:20 camera under the rim.
Facts wtf is that
Was I the only one to here the commentator say "88 to 68, the Lakers win it" at the end? I know it doesn't matter but it's kinda funny.
Just more disrespect on that D.
Facts
I wonder if Shaq hates Ben lol
He respects the hell out of him.
That moment when you hear Stuart Scott's voice...
A 6'8 turning to 6'9 with his afro hair defended one of the most dominant centers in the history on his prime is just blown my mind 🤯
He's Black so he can jump higher even with his big size. Genetics don't lie
Love how you showed not just possessions where Shaq misses but also the one he makes
exactly. because this shows that great defense fail sometimes but it will succeed more times than it doesn't
And they said no one could guard Shaq.
Lol Shaq averaged 26 ppg shooting better than 60% that series. So no, Ben couldn’t guard Shaq lol. Maybe you should watch the entire series instead of a highlight reel. You’ll see that Shaq actually played well and Kobe was awful. Let’s not spread tall tales
Modern day russel vs wilt
Larry Brown was smart enough to leave the double team defensive shifts for Kobe rather than shaq since Kobe could easily drain 3-pointers. Just single team shaq because even if has a monster night, the Lakers still needed 25+ from Kobe to win.
Ben Wallace was an offensive force this series as well.
Greatest Defensive players of all time:
1) Russell
2) Ben Wallace
3) Hakeem
5) Pippen
6) Rodman
Russell don't belong in this conversation. The guy said himself that his body structure is similar to Trevor Ariza, He played a different game, unfair for both sides to compare him with modern players.
Rafael Teles You're presuming off of the hypothetical/theoretical; all we have is reality, and the reality is that no one in his era had as many blocks or steals per game as he did...that's without even mentioning the offensive and defensive rebounds.
How many years have people said this:
"Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double in a season b/c of the pace; and it can't be duplicated in today's league."
Yet Russell Westbrook is doing it now...it should really stop the general undervaluing of older era players of the 60's and 70's and 80's.
No compliance I might be late but you have no number 4 and you missed dikembe mutombo
No compliance
This is not about undervalue, this is about common sense. The own players says otherwise, there are multiple Jerry West interviews that he admits his era was so drastically different, it's impossible to compare with modern players. Wilt is the only well know jurassic player who bragged about his era, all the others admited they played a totally different sport. You will deny the own people who actually played back there? WestBrook is averaging a td on his own way, it will be extremely disrespectful if people ended up comparing his season with Oscar Robertson's season. I can see the own Oscar debulking this at the end of the season. Jordan undervalued Kobe, saying West is a better guard than him. West himself said otherwise, not because he is humble, it's because this is only rational.
No compliance How is Bill Russel on there, and not Duncan!?!
At the beginning, Ben was getting scored on a lot but picked it up at the end
Ben Wallace had that fire. Joakim Noah reminded me of him
comparing this to your 2006 highlight of same matchup, it feels like shaq here can still look pretty good...
Best finals series. Pistons were the underdogs coming in and got the job done. Hopefully Cleveland can pull off the upset this year against GSW
Ball don't lie!
4:57 The GOAT 🐐
Darko milicic sighting 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ben more than held his own defensively that series.
The Pistons had a very strong defensive frontline in general they alternated in guarding Shaq and wearing him down.
Wallace was the only player who made Shaq look human. Just his presence was a deterrent.
these are the modern bad boys but much more disciplined guys.
i hope Rodman has a lot of match ups with Shaq back those days like Wallace have this one in a single game.
Larry Brown coached and excellent series. he let guys go 1 on 1 with shaq. he did not let kb or shaq beat them. others had to prove they can beat them. deroit could hv swept them
Good Defense all around but don’t forget Shaq was hurt in this series.
i rember wallace on old old video games
I remember Mike Tyson in an old video game.
No one give a defense like before.
I loved this series really wanted the Lakers to win buy Detroit deserved it
Granted Shaq by that time was not the dominant 2000-2002 version but still Wallace in this series defended him better than anyone ever had up to that point. He only even got 5 fouls in a game once, and that was an overtime game.
Shaq wasn't as dominant of a scorer by this point because he had more stars on the team with him. He still got his numbers the problem he had was really on the defensive end, he often had to go further out and defend most of the teams he played against he was usually able to stay inside and roam around.
You seem to forget he was the driving force behind Miami winning on 06.
badboys
Pls make the 3 second rule to atleast 5 secs
Watch the games, you'll see Ben couldn't stop him. They stopped feeding him they ball.mkobe for the most part, I assume this is when he was dealing with his personal life an people saying he couldn't win without him.
Kind of patch - work team this year too with Payton and Malone joining the scene.
to think the Lakers could have won 4 in a row is unbelievable. Shaq & Kobe were truly unstoppable
+dropapi it wouldnt have been 4 in a row it would have been 4 in 5 years, they lost in 2002-2003 to spurs
+TheTVChannel still greatness
Real Rap i know, i agree, im a laker fan, thats why i was being a stickler on the years, i remember them dearly, it was 8th grade and i had a hot girlfriend
+TheTVChannel 😂😂😂 Man it must've been nice for ya at the time
Real Rap thats why they say it's the greatest years of our lives
Who else here believe that Detroit Pistons would beat the Lakers in NBA finals 04? Got laughed about it, so made a bet to my friends & neighbors lol and i won big money worth 3 months of my salary. Love rooting for the underdogs :)
1:20 OH SHIT
Damn bet on the under in this one 😂
LA just didnt have enough horses in that series. they needed more young blood.
shoutout if osd sent u
1:20 eles andaram igual
68 points???
That's about as well as you can do against someone who they pretty much refuse to call for offensive fouls or setting up camp in the key!
Stern should have just kicked out Artest and Jackson rather than change the rules. While I wouldn't want every game to have the high scoring team to have less than 90, its fine for the playoffs.
“88-68 the Lakers win it.”
😂
Ben press 450lbs. I had to see what that do in a nba game
shaq is too strong
he was shut down by big ben already
Got only one championship in that era if there is a rematch with this 2 teams I'll pick Lakers
The Lakers got to the finals in the first place because of luck. First Fisher's .04 shot against the Spurs and then Cassell being hurt in the wcf. They were clearly beatable Pistons taking them down convincingly wasn't all that surprising.
didn't look like the lakers tried to run anything on offense
Pistons used the Jordan Rules on Kobe basically played an illegal defense and the refs let ‘em
The spacing is so shitty how tf did they even make it to the finals
What the fuck happened to Kobe in this series? Going for 4/4 in the Finals and you play that bad... Damn
Peter Skotta Tayshaun Prince happened! He was a nightmare wing defender for guys like Kobe & Tracy McGrady!
Peter Skotta and shaq the big man walked onto the court with ben the strong man
Belize2787 💯
Sai Ramesh
because as i recall the pistons had there own set of kobe rules
He was off like Mj vs the sonics and its hard as a perimeter player going against the whole team scheme set for u Kobe Not Top 100 Mamba Wiggins
D-Wade did much better than Kobe vs the same Pistons team in 2005. After 2005 Larry Brown left so 2006 team wasn't the same
Correct Kobe Not Top 100 I give u that
+ucialum exactly
Idk how people watch this and aren’t like wow the Lakers have a lineup where
Luke Walton
Khareem Rush
Mevedenko
and
Brian Cook are on the floor
Of course they only have 68 points 🤣 the lakers were literally playing 2 on 5 lmao and only shooter they had was D Fish, Malone played some of the games but he was hurt and Payton was solid but can’t shoot, but go to the gym and put a bum on your team and see how hard it is because they can’t shoot to space the floor, guys can double team off them and none of them are good defenders themselves either
People act like this is the same Lakers that 3 peat because of Kobe and Shaq but no team has ever won a ring with that many bad players getting playing time off the bench, Luke Walton tried to drive on Ben Wallace 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Psst, Al. The Lakers lost. Sorry.
Y’all are acting like shaq went 0-10 0 rebounds 0 blocks 0 steals. Shaq still sonned Ben in this series lol
You're missing the point, the Pistons gameplan was to tire him down the stretch so he would be less effective in the 4th. Shaq also had to go out to the perimeter a lot to defend and was having difficulty keeping up with the more athletic Pistons frontline in transition. Duncan was able to adjust better against the Pistons defense the following year because he was a more versatile player overall compared to Shaq, plus he had Horry who could stretch the defense out.
@@ChrisM07 wut lol
@@LeStephanie69 What I'm saying is Shaq was gonna score points regardless, however the Pistons had tough frontline defenders with help from the perimeter players at times to throw Shaq off and force him into rushing some shots or turning it over to go along with the problems they also gave him on defense. Ben wasn't always guarding Shaq there was also Elden Campbell and Mehmet Okur who played pretty solid defense on him as well.
@@ChrisM07 wut
@@LeStephanie69 You know "wut".
Hahahaha wallace already dominated shaq
Shaq could have been called for a foul every single time. According to the rules, you are not allowed to back the defensive player down like that. You are not allowed to move a defensive player from his position once he is planted. That is an offensive foul.
This isn't the 1960s lol you are allowed to do this
+Tony Gambino you are allowed to back down your damn opponent if you cant do that what the hell is left
+Tony Gambino shaq wouldn't be nowhere close to how he was with the soft league today
+Tony Gambino the league wasnt soft back then
+SHANE DEMARS backing someone down is not an offensive foul or they wouldn't need the 5 second back to basket rule.
Im glad malone didn't win any chip. Lol!