DON'T MAKE THIS MISTAKE when making fantasy maps!
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2021
- WATCH THIS VIDEO before dropping $100 on Campaign Cartographer! Inkarnate is amazing, but what competitor is giving it a run for its... pixels?
There is a secret to making your D&D, Pathfinder, or other RPG maps! This will save you a ton of time and make your maps look AMAZING! These tips and tricks can even be used for INDIE GAME DEVELOPMENT! Step up your world building game, and make maps that rival even Arcadum or Matthew Mercer!
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We need answers
@@lelduck6388 saves space i guess ;)
I just draw my maps on paper. It’s not at hard as you’d think, and it makes them look really good and really unique.
That works, right up until you have to go digital due to distance. Or the pandemic. We ended up digital as a result of the pandemic, then moved, so Our campaign has had to change to accommodate. So I'm looking for tools to make good maps.
@@Bells_Lodge fax machines and photocopiers have existed for decades
@@Varaldar And are not at all common in the everyday household, nor do many have immediate access to one. Just because a solution exists, does not mean that it's effective, accessible, or efficient. Practically everyone has a computer. Practically no one has a fax machine. And I'm not about to limit myself, or my players, by selecting a less-accessible means...
Aside from all of that, there's nothing wrong to learning a new skill or method of doing things...
@@dalh598.1 unless you are doing a map every day it's very easy to make up the few maps you have then scan it in digitally. Any library will be ablr to help you with this. And at that point you have a digital map that you can just load into whatever program you are using or email it if you need to.
You can actually get your maps to look good in Campaign Cartographer, especially if you are using one of the art sets contributed by one of the pros like Mike Schley... it's just that Campaign Cartographer is not an art program and doesn't have an a UI anything like an art program so you have to do a lot of work to get your mind around basically using CAD as a paint brush, doing everything "backwards", and then hitting the "now make everything look better, rather than run smoother" button at the very end.
So no, not a scam. Just not what most folks are looking for when they go looking for a tool to help them draw maps, since it doesn't let you draw anything.
You are absolutely right. My complaint is the amount of work you have to do to get there. I've got enough work as a DM, lol.
@@devRat That I can agree with. I bought CC3 years ago and used it for one map because I wanted a particular style, then went back to photoshop because it was easier and quicker even if not as "pretty"
This. The advantage of CC3+ is it's scaling abilities. For just a quick map for a DM running a personal game... no, it's not the right program. For someone creating full maps for printed work, where you want to be able to scale up and down easily, and keep scales consistent between maps... yeah. it takes a lot of work to learn, but it's great for what it's designed for. (Most of us don't need what it's designed for.)
I got CC3+ on a bundle with the dungeon and city modules. At first it was incomprehensible and I did feel kinda scammed, but with the help of some videos I did manage to get a handle on it and start making some pretty decent progress with it and the weird CAD mindset actually started to grow on me. I... don't consider myself an artist of any kind, but I am decent at understanding systems. And CC3+'s systems have a certain amount of versatility you wouldn't expect.
Plus, I have those texture presets that help me get over my paralyzing fear of not picking the right color or not being able to make the terrain look good.
Lots of free map/cartography assets out there, especially photoshop brushes that can be used with Krita. I'd also suggest creating a layer with your continent texture and then a black layer below that. Draw on the black with white for your continents. Throw them into their own group. When finished, you click "a" inherit alpha button on your texture layer(make sure it is above the continent alpha you just drew). You can apply the stroke and glow effects to your group. You can also use just white on transparent and that way you can move continents around easier.
Damn, I wish I'd seen this video before I bought the CC3+ humble bundle. I opened it and thought to myself, WTF is this. Really disappointed :(
Yep! Me too. Nuf said.
These are nifty techniques, and your map doesn't look terrible, but if I were to open up Photoshop, Krita, etc. there's no way I would have been able to figure this out without watching your video. And yet that's exactly what you did with CC+; you wanted to immediately intuit how to use it with no help from the guide (which you obviously didn't read), or the wealth of youtube tutorials out there (which are pretty hard to miss). No wonder you thought you got scammed. If you don't want to put in the work to learn CC+, that's fine. If you purchased CC+ thinking it was going to behave like Inkarnate and limit your options so as to hold your hand all the way through, I can understand your disappointment. But don't poison the well for others who might be looking to make their maps amazing. Yes, CC+ was a steep learning curve, but it was so worth it. My maps look amazing now, and my players are consistently impressed. You owe Profantasy an apology.
Actually I never watched any tutorials for krita/photoshop. I figured it out by clicking around. You used the right word. "Intuit." A well designed program should be intuitive. The learning curve on krita was way quicker than that of CC3. If you spent the same amount of time learning Krita or photoshop that you did on CC3+ I bet your maps would be just as beautiful as they are now, but with even more options.
I've admitted in other comments calling Profantasy a scam was an exaggeration. It is a real product. They are selling what they are advertising, that's true, but it is absolutely not worth what they are charging.
Dude. Inkarnate is 5 bucks a month. And it's already got all the brushes and stamps and tools programed and ready. How the fuck can it matter THIS MUCH to anybody that "yOuR iNkArNaTe MaPs LoOk LiKe EvErYoNe ElSe'S"
Me, a compulsive world-builder who already hand-draws his maps:
Ah, interesting.
campaign cartographer was on the market long before all the web-based map creators were and it was a good tool for anyone who wanted to design a map of his own. You can actually make good looking maps with it, but it requires a lot of time and practice and it is not very user friendly. In todays standards it is rather old-fashioned. It is not a scam. you could say photoshop is a scam if you don't know what you are doing there too... it simply requires some of your time and effort to learn.
That's a brutal entry xD. GMs spend hours making their maps and not many would say they suck. But I'll humor you
I've spent a fair amount of time creating maps on lined paper, grid paper and rollout maps. They definitely didn't suck and still made for good runs. When I say I'll humor you though, I definitely agree there is always room for improvement.
I upgraded from there by venturing into the realm of free software. I've tried a handful and nothing stuck. So I actually went back to pen and paper. Campaign Cartographer 2 is something I did stumble across and it was very appealing at the time. But it does have a bit of a more retro look when compared to newer software these days.
Fast forward to today. I'm starting back up after a small hiatus and this time around I decided on looking into software. I've always held off on Campaign Cartographer 3 but decided now is the time to buy. And I've never been more stoked in my life when it comes to map making!
- Pen & Paper? At least PCs won't beat you up too bad since you did everything by hand. Actually makes for some extremely enjoyable adventures. HIGHLY underrated in my humble opinion
- CC2? Outdated and doesn't hold up well
- Free software? My advice is to watch videos before installing and trying software, programs or other websites. I wasted countless hours running a few adventures in software and programs that didn't stick. After getting a good handle on how two or three worked, I realize now as I sit that it was a colossal waste of time.
- CC3+? I've purchased it and I'm going to give it a go! I've watched a good amount of videos on it and already feel like I can throw some maps together fairly quickly. As much time as GMs spend preparing, I'm willing to sink some serious time in to learn this software. But I'm going to start small and ease my way into it gradually.
However, as a recap, what works for others won't work for everybody. One advantage of trying different methods and deciding not to use them is that it may just make you appreciate the methods you do know how to use. For me, it made me appreciate Pen & Paper more. 100% viable even in today's standards.
I absolutely agree. If you are prepared to put in the effort, nothing compares to pen and paper.
If you are prepared to put in the effort you can make Campaign Cartographer look nice too.
If you are prepared to put in the effort, you could make a photo-realistic 3D world in blender as well.
But I reckon that most GMs buy CC because they are looking for a tool to make their job easier. Not only does CC not deliver that, but I argue it's the wrong tool for the job entirely.
You are a great example of this. All of the time you could be spending preparing for a session, you are instead learning their software. Now you may have the time to spare, but not all GMs do. In just a few minutes I can show you the fundamentals of map making in Krita, and after that your imagination is the limit.
Thanks for your comment! Great perspective from someone with a lot of experience.
@@devRat I'm not the best artist in the world but my pen and paper has been concise yet fairly simple in nature.
To those on the outside looking in, it hasn't been impressive. As a matter of fact, after the adventure, I don't even want to look! LOL. That's about to change.
I do have blender, GIMP, photoshop etc. However...
--- You are DEFINITELY correct. Krita is A LOT faster than anything I've ever used in my life. So I tip my hat to ya on sharing the knowledge you've found. I'd say CC3+ still looks more impressive from a varying color perspective once you're at an advanced level. But in CC, you can't whip out full overland maps in 5 to 15 minutes like you can in Krita.
-CC3+ does have a steep learning curve. So for those GMs, like you've mentioned, who don't have as much time, there are much faster ways to generate Overland maps and Adventure, or Dungeon, maps.
Right now, my plan is to create full, immersive campaigns for older editions of D&D. For example, Basic, AD&D, 2nd edition and 4th edition. People I know generally all play 5th edition. Pathfinder and 3.5 is here and there as well. But people aren't receptive to even try the older editions. So I plan on surprising people playing newer editions or even newcomers to the hobby. At least they'll be able to say they've tried that edition afterwards. Even if only to make them appreciate their favorite edition more.
Thanks for your response! I'd say we're all in this as a community and the more GMs and Players know, the better the experience for everyone
What???? What are you rambling on about?? Dude, Krita lets you make a very good map in MINUTES, and it takes a few minutes to learn. It has all the advantages of map making software that takes a long time to learn with none of the time commitment. And, it has the flexibility of drawing/photo editing software. It is literally the best of all worlds.
Your comment is straight up incoherent.
@@BusinessWolf1 ok. Why are you so hostile? I did type a lot but only because I had a lot to say. You are a keyboard warrior aren't you? Next time, why don't you try adding something positive or constructive instead of tearing down a random guy on UA-cam. Don't you have anything better to do?
@@pureleaf6686 Your initial comment makes no sense. You constantly contradict yourself too. And my relpy wasn't aggressive, in my opinion.
Your map didn't look better than what you can make on Inkarnate though.
It's interesting because, having used campaign cartographer, it's basically the same steps you show. All of it is just putting in the steps to get what you want (in your case brushes and stamps, in CC it's learning the UI)
Oh come on this program is awesome..... or it was when I originally bought it, you know back in 1993...... apparently it has not been updated at all.
I will say the main thing that I was really amazed at with this program originally is that you can zoom in from world view all the way down to a bug on the street.
But yes horrible by today's standards. I can't believe they are still selling it without significant updates.
Lol, I was just looking at the Humble Bundle for the Campaign Cartographer stuff which got me looking at videos to see if it was worth it and it really didn't seem it was - even at that reduced bundle price. But then I started to look up alternatives and found Wonderdraft, which looks a lot nicer, but while watching videos of people using it I couldn't help but think that I could just do most of what it does in Krita with custom stamp brushes and the like, then I find this video!
Thank you for showing people the wonders of blending options, or layer style as it's called in Krita.
Profantasy Software is hardly a rip off. It's also been around for a long time. Also, when you buy it you own it and don't have to rely on their servers. I have used Profantasy since it first came out. And I go back to it periodically. And yes it's expensive. I looked into Inkarnate, and while it is cheap and certainly has it's advantages, if they decided, after you sent them your 25 buks, to shut down their servers what happens to your map making program? If your internet is down, can you still map? The answer is your screwed and NO. At least WonderDraft let's you use their program offline.
Pro tip for you guys, you can paint an entire inkarnate map in one texture and export textures out of it for you own map.
I only used the free version of inkarnate once to get the general world shape of my world. I’m an (aspiring comic) artist so I only needed it for that lol. I drew my map more in detail in photoshop.
I would like to see how to make all the tools and such to do these maps.
Thanks for your input into this topic.
I think it's unfair to call Campaign Cartographer a "scam." It does what it says it does, it just requires more work. Also, my go-to terrain generator is a Profantasy product, Fractal Terrains, mainly because it provides plenty of options to create realistic continent shapes (although it doesn't really account for things like plate tectonics or glaciers carving up the land) with customizable temperature, precipitation and climate generation, and it can give you multiple map projections for your world maps that can actually take into account the curvature of a globe and the distortion of area and distance a flat map can cause. The closest to it I've seen in full-world map generation is Azgaar's Fantasy Map Generator.
I haven't tried Krita but I used to love making my maps in GIMP. I may need to pick that back up.
Yeah GIMP is popular, personally I can't stand it after trying Krita. If you're already comfortable with GIMP, you might not like it, but DEFINITELY give it a shot! Absolutely worth it.
Thank you so much for this video.
Bless you!
Fantastic! Yes, please do some videos on making brushes. That would be cool.
I don't think it's fair to call it a scam since your maps COULD look that good... It's just the learning curve feels pretty dense and the UI feels kinda janky... BUT unlike some other map making tools I've seen it at least isn't a subscription model which I like since I don't need to worry about losing access to it... And the cost of Photoshop is just asinine such that it encourages piracy, but I'm not sure where to pirate from so at the moment I just don't have it and it makes me sad... D:
Adobe has made it nearly impossible to pirate photoshop these days. But legitimately as someone who has used both a lot, I prefer Krita.
"Scam" may have been a hyperbolic word to use, but my point still stands. I can make better looking maps faster with Krita than CC
If you want Photoshop but you don't want to pay for Photoshop, just get GIMP?
@@merandasomnolentgamer8323 awful interface
The sarcasm in your voice is hilarious 🤣
Best campaign cartographer 3 tutorial out there
Very good video, thank you for showing. Can one do this in photoshop as well? Is it possible for you to make a tuturial for that as well?
I can not make a tutorial with Photoshop, but yes I have done it in Photoshop before. Try searching for "later styles tutorial" and "scatter brush tutorial."
Huh. Here I am looking for a map making tool that's better than gimp or krita, which I have used so far to make my maps. But it turns out I just need to get better acquainted with those programs. How convenient!
I personally use Corel for it. I know how it works, you can import all sorts of stuff for icons, fillings, features etc, and I can export it in every format I want
Thankfully I'm just looking for some nice looking easy to make maps and splashed out on incarnate instead of falling for this. Nice video though!
this is a hidden gem of map making guides
Love this video. Would love to know what program you're using. You say that you like Krita more than photoshop, so is that the one you're using? Ok, so watching more, you do say Krita. Would love to see more of this.
Awesome! I am in the middle of moving, but I've started planning a few "how to map in krita" vids. Turn on notifications if you don't want to miss them when they are done!
Hey! I made a other video for this!
Go out and make maps!
that bob ross joke was very funny
Hey man, did you do the video about that awesome brush? :)
Yeah!
"I would wager that your maps are made in incarnate."
Me who manually draws it up in Ibis Paint X Mobile: ... Yeah... I don't even know what that is
But in all seriousness, this just just got randomly recommended to me, I know UA-cam knows I'm interested in worldbuilding but what? I don't actively searching it up and yet it keeps on getting recommended to me... Though I'm not complaining
But I might just try out your tricks (or at least the possible ones) to Ibis Paint
Please, by all means, show us how to make the custom brushes
Yeah! Check out my water brush video. I'll be making more in the future.
I'm having an issue with the mountain step, as it keeps calling the stamp invalid and defaults to a pixel sized brush instead. Any advice? It also isnt saving properly. (I'm on a samsung tablet if that helps or changes things at all)
Calling the stamp invalid? That's really strange. Without seeing your project I don't know what to tell you, except make sure you followed my guide exactly...
Maybe try flattening some layers?
@@devRat I *was* trying to use four mountains instead of two, maybe that was too many for it hmm thank you!
@@syaoran5476 no, 4 shouldn't be too many. Did you merge your erase layers?
@@devRat I did, and transparanted the background. I tried making them smaller, tried using the select tool, but each time I tried to +stamp it refused to take the stamps as animated, if I chose the other option the thumbnail would change but once animated was selected it cleared the thumbnail and called it invalid
@@syaoran5476 so weird. If you figure it out, I'd love to know what it was.
I guess you never heard of wonderdraft lol
Is that windows 7?
How do yu do this brush !!!!!!! (good video bro)
Im sorry, the end result still looks worse than maps made with Inkarnates free editor.
When you spend a third of your video bashing a product your end result should at least be noticeably better.
And if anyone want to spice their maps up a bit the $25 per year subscription to unlock all the features of Inkarnate is not a big deal.
I personally only use Inkarnate to make rough sketches that I use as a template layer in Photoshop and then "hand-draw" my map with a Wacom tablet.
I get the best of both worlds that way.
You make me sad.
I bought a bundle and sweated it until I asked the community for some help and then used a hex overlay, and thought about how my hand drawn maps looked.
Now I gotta figure out cities and dungeons.
I make my own map in Ps. I'm a hobby artist and the flexibility this way gives me is exactly what I want.
Best option imo
100%, Tried to make a map on inkarnate and it's terrible, i moved on to PAINT 3D on windows and created a rough idea for one of the regions and realized 'oh shit i'm retarded i can just use krita'
i reinstalled krita and now i'm having a blast Creating my own stylized fantasy map
nice. I wish it was for gimb but I guess I will work it out
god i wish this stuff existed when i was 14 so bad
Hi, the eraser mode is turning my background in white.
Make sure you have the right layer selected?
@@devRat Oh yes I fixed that problem, by the way THANK YOU SO MUCH I've managed to make my own map!!!!
@@mariau1871 That is so cool! I'm so happy I helped! Thanks for taking the time to tell me!
I have a question about content ownership and Inkarnate. You, devRat, might have to deal with this, because your use of Incarnate in your videos might be considered commercial.
I do not understand the limits of Inkarnate's ability to charge something for the use of content I would create, using Inkarnate.
Is the max they could charge is $25/year so long as any product I sold had content in it made using Inkarnate?
So, if write a book like Harry Potter which has a dozen maps in its 360 pages, would that mean I'd have to pay Inkarnate $25/year so long as my book sold, which could then be the rest of my life?
Could Inkarnate change that price, increasing it?
Could Inkarnate say it wants a percentage of sales of that book?
Not that I have something ready to sell for vast amounts of money, or any money, but my creative hopes of making maps for my fantasy world I've been dreaming, playing in games as a Game Master, and developing over the past 40+ years, ... the idea that maybe Inkarnate could say it wants a percentage take that Inkarnate decides what that percent is of my maps for my world that I make because I make them in Inkarnate causes me to avoid using Inkarnate.
However, it would be really nice to use something better than a spline based drawing program to draw my maps with.
I mean, I'm no lawyer so I can't speak as to the legality of what you're doing, but I personally would just use krita (obviously). If you really want to use inkarnate commercially I would consult a legal expert. Copyright law can be very complex and it's letter can be very deceiving.
For what it's worth I make no money from UA-cam (nor am I trying to at the moment).
@@devRat I'm saying, as someone with little to no resources but with dreams that maybe, like winning the lottery, which is a very low chance, I have success... I do not want someone like Inkarnate having a string attached to my creativity that they get to decide how large a slice of what my creativity makes. Probability is I will never make any money... that has been my life's luck... But, if I do, I do not want to give a blank check to someone like Inkarnate to take a slice of that.
That is my issue and question with Inkarnate???
Maybe this is not a problem?
But, I've been given the concern that Inkarnate can define its slice over what it takes from any creative product I use which is created using their system. That scares me away from using their product.
I know I am not alone in this.
I know there are LOTS of others with the same concern, which is where I gained my concern from.
What I cannot figure out is whether this is a real concern or not.
@@MusingsFromTheJohn00 Why not just not worry about it? You're not making a commercial product at the moment, so just take your time and learn the tools of the trade.
@@devRat Because it strongly bugs me if a corporation is placing a "STRING" that if by chance I become a success, they get to decide what percent of my success they get to take, regardless of how small a fraction they contributed to it.
@@MusingsFromTheJohn00 Yeah I totally agree. Practices like that are bull shit. A **lot** of free to use services do this.
Before I even watch this, I Only spent $25 on campaign cartographer because humble bundle about 3-4 months ago XD I'm still gonna watch though.
I rather use wonderdraft because it looks better. Its not free but its cheaper than campaign cartographer and easy to use.
Or just use Wonderdraft
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Haha, yup
Sooo... just get WonderDraft?
Hey! Can you continue to do tutorials in Kritta? Can you do new beginner tutorials on Kritta?
Yeah. I've been taking a break for my mental health. When I start posting tutorials again it will be on my new channel, Dungeon of the Cockatwice. What tutorial would you like to see first?
Lol. Literally makes a map that looks just like inkarnate but worse. Wonderdraft is my personal favorite.
I was able to make a decent looking map in Ibis paint.. on my phone.
in 2023 ,just tell ai u need a map,10 sec, done
The Krita map that was produced here looks very amateurish and nothing of the quality that CC3+ can produce. One can learn how to make a nice looking map with CC3+ in less that 30 minutes by watching just one CC3+ tutorial. The link to that tutorial is: ua-cam.com/video/LlpfzlsMK2g/v-deo.html There are more advanced techniques in CC3+ that one can learn to make even better looking maps but not necessary for nice basic maps. As with anything that we do in life It all depends how much time a person wants to devote their time to to become more advanced. But in this case or any other case for that matter, CC3+ is hard to beat!
I feel the demo doesn't show the point you are trying to make. Photoshopping gives a higher degree of customization and freedom while Inkarnate is more focused on ease of use
Chad me using Illustrator and Photoshop instead of Inkarnate
I kind of prefer the inkarnate maps...
They DO look really nice...
All I got to say is sheesh
I would choose atlas. Not incarnate
Never heard of that one. How do I find it?
@@devRat I don't think it does.
I got krita. But I rather use Krita + Inkarnate. Cuz Imma real who see the best out of both world.
Y'all have never heard of Wonderdraft and it shows...
finally somone that says the truth. Thanks a lot
Affinity serif sells the software they want for less than Photoshop costs.
I use MS Paint :D
I should be the one watching your videos.
I hand draw my maps
likes are currently at 666 👀
*I have awakened*
expent hours and didn't learn how to use it?
wow!
Thank you. I spent over a hundred on this trash programme. I was devastated.
Can confirm photoshop is the best map creation tool. I made a genuinely photorealistic map of my world in 8 hours. How photorealistic? Well, everything I did was using brushes that I made from satalight photos of the earth, using colors picked from those photos. It looks real. It looks like someone took a picture out the window of a spaceship. No other program (aside from other image editors) will do that. And here's what I don't think any other image editor, even GIMP, can do... Slice that map into 256 square pixel tiles, export them in a specific file structure, and let me add them into a digital map with one line of code, so I have my own google maps style sat-view of my setting.
if someone use photoshop,just make some brushes,u can do this
Nazywanie CC+ scamem tylko dlatego że nie potrafi się go obsługiwać jest żenujące
You called CC a scam yet your 8 minute map looked no better than the so called crud you claimed people are already making using the 'scam' you were ridiculing.........that map was atrocious. You might as well just told people to use construction paper and crayons.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's the point. CC is crud and this is free and looks actually better if you spend just a couple more minutes. This isn't his final map I am sure.
@@arthurmelander6224 And you miss the point. Thanks for the worthless response though.
That looks like hot garbage. 🤨
I was able to make a decent looking map in Ibis paint.. on my phone.