Thank you so much, John! I heard a couple of years ago from an Israeli scholar from Haifa University who studies the Samaritans that there is a (strange) trend in certain parts of Brasil (of all places) of converting to Samaritanism as a religion (without being able to participate in the rites on Mt. Gerizim of course, but still). So today, in addition to the 900 ethnic Samaritans in Israel and Palestine, there are a few thousands of new Samaritans in Brasil.
Perhaps some folks here are familiar w/ Dr. Justin Sledge's highly academic channel Esoterica, in which things like Gnosticism & Kaballah are covered. Like John of Centre Place, he practices religion while regarding texts quite critically and academically. I'd love to see them team up, at the very least, they'd have a cool name for the collaboration: Sledge/Hamer !
I listen to John excellent lectures at night, in bed. They are so interesting. John is a great storyteller and a fountain of knowledge. One of the best hidden hems of UA-cam. One day, these lectures will be famous worldwide and I’ll be able to say “I was there from the beginning”
I enjoy when you review the timeline graph or other past materials to put in prospective where this lecture is in the mosaic and piece together past lectures. Would much rather hear things a third or fourth time than be unsure on where we are in the story. Thank you for your commitment to each lecture and assuming the listener requires the context or backstory, or at least appreciates the refresher/review.
A lot of people including good friends have told me that they do use these videos to fall asleep, because they are interesting enough to quiet their minds from competing thoughts, but soporific enough to induce sleep. Many times the lectures are largely original, but a lot of times I do circle back to points we've made in previous lectures. In part, this is because they are a mosaic that is completely a coherent picture. But I understand for listeners with good memories like you, if the repetition is less welcome. Thanks!
1:30:56 🤯 According to the information available, some Dead Sea Scroll fragments, particularly early manuscripts of Deuteronomy, mention "Mount Gerizim" instead of "Mount Ebal," suggesting that the standard Jewish text may have been altered at some point, potentially reflecting a Samaritan influence where Mount Gerizim holds greater significance for worship; this is considered evidence that the Samaritan Pentateuch, which includes this variation, may represent a more original reading of the text. 🤯
I presume the name "Nablus" comes from the Greek words "Neapolis" which means "new city" so that this town would have a similar word origin to Naples in Italy and Carthage in north Africa and many other places!
Appreciate all your hard work. My spirit is so enriched with all that I have learned. Would you please do a video on historicity of Jesus and the Essenes and the Essenes by Delores Cannon and Joanna Prentis. They make bold claims.
Thinking about what he said, that Galilee having been part of the original northern kingdom assimilated into Judah and lived as Jews, rather than Samritans. I consider my own heritage when thinking of this situation. I’m from Texas, a state that was once part of another country, but fought for its independence and became its own country, then annexed into the Union. I am also of Mexican descent and having been born in the US, as a third generation American citizen, I’ve pretty much assimilated into American culture. Yet despite having adopted the customs and culture I still retain a small part of the Mexican culture and identity. With that being said, I wonder if Jesus’ theological perspective and teachings were a hybrid form of the old religion mixed in with the modern Hellenized version he ran into in his travels!? 🤔🤔
With respect, I believe you’ve adopted a position here on the non-existence of a United Kingdom that you may eventually have to walk back. It seems almost every year that we hear some new archeological find indicating greater development in Jerusalem than the “cow town” minimalists have historically asserted. Not only that but the divergence of the J and E sources would seem to imply some earlier period from whence the sources diverged. That is to say, while they demonstrate obvious regional partisanship, they can only do so from a foundation of broad agreement on the basic actors and narrative structure. Meaning what we seem to be looking at is a once standard narrative that grew apart during the period of the divided kingdoms only to be weaved back together by the JE redactor.
Concerning Isaiah and the Lesser Prophets: In the Kitab al-Tarikh (Chapter 15) Abu'l-Fath says: "They (the Jews) claimed that they had prophets, but they attributed to God (...) what he had not said to them (...). They (the prophets) used to talk after the manner of sorcery and astrology. They used to manipulate the people, and confused their thinking; they used to lead them along the paths of crime and lies and led them astray (...). They (the Samaritans) did not accept any prophet after Moses, nor did they believe in any book other than the Torah" (Translation by Paul Stenhouse, Sydney 1985).
Palestinian basically means ppl living in the area - once known as UngaBunga, then Canaan, Phoenicia, Palestine was in use concurrently w Israel wasnt much more than a sliver and Judah, the folks around Jerusalem
If the Samaritans can to some extent trace themselves back before the old testament why do we not have any writings from them. It seems like something from them would have survived
So Samaritanism is a fourth Abrahamic religion - after Judaism, Christianity and Islam - but what about Mandaeanism who still have a significant number of followers - I believe that they think John the Baptist is the Messiah and Jesus is not. Is it Abrahamic?
I like the Donatists. Just think where the Catholic church would be today if slave owning or celebrating Hitler's birthday disqualified the sacraments of all those church elders?
What if we all universally convert to Samaritans as the original proponents of the one true universal GOD? If we were all good Samaritans the world would be a better place. If we all treated others like neighbors, as we would treat ourselves, that would bring glory to GOD. Could be worth a try?
When did the Israelite society form into kingdoms? Did that ever happen? The only time that Judah society formed into a kingdom was under the Hasmoneans. Correct? If so, why do you refer to kingdoms when they didn't exist? How can any mythology 'affirm' anything?
Depraved indifference is what is likely to bring on cultural extinction according to Christ and Darwin ( surprise‼️) as well. Without sympathy the golden rule withers and cooperation in agri and industrial productive languish😿
So around 1:42 you go on to discuss the story of the good Samaritan. Im glad you can interpret it the way you do as this would make a nice world, unfortunately this is not the truth. Lets assume Judaism is an evolved religion with political undertones and rivals. In the first centuries BC and AD saw a military, Messianic religion challenge the might of Rome. Samaritans did not challenge Rome. The New Testament was a rebuke of Judaism and the beginning of anti-semitism. Rome was never to blame for Jesus as Pilot washed his hands, Herod was not to blame as he refered Jesus to the Pharasees. It was the Jews who called out, " Give us Barrabus." I belive the so called Christos, Greek for Messiah, that Nero killed after the fire of Rome were Helinised Jews, falsly accused of being Rebels, Messianic Jews. After 70Ad Titus, son of Emporor Vespasian ordered the Temple to be destroyed and all Jewish books confiscated and brought to Rome. Vespasian was the same General who destroyed Druids in Gaul. The writings of Paul have an eerie similar style and analogies as Josephus Flavius Antiquitys of the Jews. The whole idea of the New Testament was to discredit the Jewish Rebels and create a more Roman friendly religion. The claim: God gave his blessing to a rebelious people who perverted it and now the blessing is now on the Gentiles, Spiritual Jews. The Sumeritan story was just one more story to show just how corrupt the Jew was. Its all nonsense. Stop hate
Protestantism & Catholicism/Pauline Christianity are Worship of God, that we have not seen(according to Jesus) are worst than cults..becuz these churches Worship God in a Temple made of Stones & of Wood....Jesus emphasized that we have to Worship God after the Destruction of the Temple that was built for 46 years in Jerusalem (70 AD), as told to the Samaritan woman..to Worship God in Spirit & in Truth only, a Worship of God in a Temple made of Gold and Prescious stones(Gemstones) and not in any churches made of Stones & of Wood....The Cube City or Temple with 12 Gates will arrive soon..so get READY..Jesus said Drink my Blood & Eat my Flesh to gain Eternal Life.
This man is a living encyclopedia, a treasure.
Some call it a "Hamercopia". Seems excessive.
Damn near ...lol ... He knows a lot 💯... No doubt...
Yeah his mind is amazing !!
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Thank you so much, John! I heard a couple of years ago from an Israeli scholar from Haifa University who studies the Samaritans that there is a (strange) trend in certain parts of Brasil (of all places) of converting to Samaritanism as a religion (without being able to participate in the rites on Mt. Gerizim of course, but still). So today, in addition to the 900 ethnic Samaritans in Israel and Palestine, there are a few thousands of new Samaritans in Brasil.
I've watched like 30 of these in the last year, so good. I dunno where you came from but every lecture is so good, lol.
Another excellent Hamercopia of Knowledge tonight. Hope to see you next week, as it always delivers.
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Your efforts are seriously appreciated and glad there are others intrigued.
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Utterly fascinating. Again. I learned more about the Samaritans tonight than I have in my entire life. Thanks to all involved.
Exactly! Why isn’t this more widely known. Just the Lost 10 Tribes stuff.
Perhaps some folks here are familiar w/ Dr. Justin Sledge's highly academic channel Esoterica, in which things like Gnosticism & Kaballah are covered. Like John of Centre Place, he practices religion while regarding texts quite critically and academically. I'd love to see them team up, at the very least, they'd have a cool name for the collaboration: Sledge/Hamer !
Another great Centre Place lecture, on one of my favorite niche topics!
Great stuff as always. Just one expects from a fellow Minnesotan!
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This is awesome in detail. I love how you go way back in history.
I watched this once; I need to watch it again.
Amazing lecture. I’ve learned more about Samaritans than I learned in 50 years of life. Just incredible.
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I listen to John excellent lectures at night, in bed.
They are so interesting. John is a great storyteller and a fountain of knowledge.
One of the best hidden hems of UA-cam.
One day, these lectures will be famous worldwide and I’ll be able to say “I was there from the beginning”
I enjoy when you review the timeline graph or other past materials to put in prospective where this lecture is in the mosaic and piece together past lectures.
Would much rather hear things a third or fourth time than be unsure on where we are in the story. Thank you for your commitment to each lecture and assuming the listener requires the context or backstory, or at least appreciates the refresher/review.
This is amazing!!!
John, you have supplemented my Bible reading this year wonderfully. Great lectures. Was waiting for this one for a while.
Keep falling asleep each time.
I do find I start to tune out when repetition of details well-covered in previous lectures get said yet again.
A lot of people including good friends have told me that they do use these videos to fall asleep, because they are interesting enough to quiet their minds from competing thoughts, but soporific enough to induce sleep. Many times the lectures are largely original, but a lot of times I do circle back to points we've made in previous lectures. In part, this is because they are a mosaic that is completely a coherent picture. But I understand for listeners with good memories like you, if the repetition is less welcome. Thanks!
1:30:56 🤯 According to the information available, some Dead Sea Scroll fragments, particularly early manuscripts of Deuteronomy, mention "Mount Gerizim" instead of "Mount Ebal," suggesting that the standard Jewish text may have been altered at some point, potentially reflecting a Samaritan influence where Mount Gerizim holds greater significance for worship; this is considered evidence that the Samaritan Pentateuch, which includes this variation, may represent a more original reading of the text. 🤯
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I presume the name "Nablus" comes from the Greek words "Neapolis" which means "new city" so that this town would have a similar word origin to Naples in Italy and Carthage in north Africa and many other places!
I agree with all the praise of Mr. Hamer. But why don’t we all know this stuff?
Excellent presentation. Congratulations
Appreciate all your hard work. My spirit is so enriched with all that I have learned. Would you please do a video on historicity of Jesus and the Essenes and the Essenes by Delores Cannon and Joanna Prentis. They make bold claims.
It has been suggested that The Jews of Elephantine had a special dispensation for their temple there, because Jerusalem was such a long way away.
You must be a professor. So much knowledge ❤
Excellent lecture as always👍
Yoir analysis of Jesus' telling of the "Good Samaritan" is brilliant.
Samaritan of Singapore 🇸🇬 aka SOS. Suicidal helpline also.24/7
Thinking about what he said, that Galilee having been part of the original northern kingdom assimilated into Judah and lived as Jews, rather than Samritans. I consider my own heritage when thinking of this situation. I’m from Texas, a state that was once part of another country, but fought for its independence and became its own country, then annexed into the Union. I am also of Mexican descent and having been born in the US, as a third generation American citizen, I’ve pretty much assimilated into American culture. Yet despite having adopted the customs and culture I still retain a small part of the Mexican culture and identity. With that being said, I wonder if Jesus’ theological perspective and teachings were a hybrid form of the old religion mixed in with the modern Hellenized version he ran into in his travels!? 🤔🤔
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Cyrus the great allowed other pagans to go back to their religion, is there any archaeology about Cyrus allowing the Judaens to return?
Whaddup Hamerheads????
i always wonder why there wasn't a third temple while they were so observant.🤔
With respect, I believe you’ve adopted a position here on the non-existence of a United Kingdom that you may eventually have to walk back. It seems almost every year that we hear some new archeological find indicating greater development in Jerusalem than the “cow town” minimalists have historically asserted.
Not only that but the divergence of the J and E sources would seem to imply some earlier period from whence the sources diverged. That is to say, while they demonstrate obvious regional partisanship, they can only do so from a foundation of broad agreement on the basic actors and narrative structure. Meaning what we seem to be looking at is a once standard narrative that grew apart during the period of the divided kingdoms only to be weaved back together by the JE redactor.
Concerning Isaiah and the Lesser Prophets: In the Kitab al-Tarikh (Chapter 15) Abu'l-Fath says: "They (the Jews) claimed that they had prophets, but they attributed to God (...) what he had not said to them (...). They (the prophets) used to talk after the manner of sorcery and astrology. They used to manipulate the people, and confused their thinking; they used to lead them along the paths of crime and lies and led them astray (...). They (the Samaritans) did not accept any prophet after Moses, nor did they believe in any book other than the Torah" (Translation by Paul Stenhouse, Sydney 1985).
Palestinian basically means ppl living in the area - once known as UngaBunga, then Canaan, Phoenicia, Palestine was in use concurrently w Israel wasnt much more than a sliver and Judah, the folks around Jerusalem
Not many ppl w an older tradition - hindoos?
Please say "skism" for schism...in the future. My ears hurt every time. Great explanation of the Good Samaritan!
If the Samaritans can to some extent trace themselves back before the old testament why do we not have any writings from them. It seems like something from them would have survived
So Samaritanism is a fourth Abrahamic religion - after Judaism, Christianity and Islam - but what about Mandaeanism who still have a significant number of followers - I believe that they think John the Baptist is the Messiah and Jesus is not. Is it Abrahamic?
Mandaeism and Samaritanism are usually considered Abrahamic along with Baha'i.
These ppl are basically those w the best Jewish claim seeing as they have been living spiritual law not materialism
I want to play them in civilization. Are the Samaritan’s any good?
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I think one of them was. There was a story about it. I forgot the title.
Question, why did the Pharisee cross the road ??
Answer, I don't know why, ask the good Samaritan.
I like the Donatists. Just think where the Catholic church would be today if slave owning or celebrating Hitler's birthday disqualified the sacraments of all those church elders?
Odd that God was randomly ok with no sacrifices randomly.....
What if we all universally convert to Samaritans as the original proponents of the one true universal GOD?
If we were all good Samaritans the world would be a better place. If we all treated others like neighbors, as we would treat ourselves, that would bring glory to GOD.
Could be worth a try?
But then the parable of the Good Samaritan would become meaningless, wouldn't it? You've got to have an "other" for that parable to make sense.
When did the Israelite society form into kingdoms? Did that ever happen?
The only time that Judah society formed into a kingdom was under the Hasmoneans. Correct?
If so, why do you refer to kingdoms when they didn't exist?
How can any mythology 'affirm' anything?
Omrids are attested extra-Biblically, as is Hezekaiah
@@exoplanet11 Yes. They were leaders; they just weren't kings because there wasn't a kingdom during their times.
I heard inbreeding on certain mountain
Depraved indifference is what is likely to bring on cultural extinction according to Christ and Darwin ( surprise‼️) as well. Without sympathy the golden rule withers and cooperation in agri and industrial productive languish😿
So around 1:42 you go on to discuss the story of the good Samaritan. Im glad you can interpret it the way you do as this would make a nice world, unfortunately this is not the truth. Lets assume Judaism is an evolved religion with political undertones and rivals. In the first centuries BC and AD saw a military, Messianic religion challenge the might of Rome. Samaritans did not challenge Rome. The New Testament was a rebuke of Judaism and the beginning of anti-semitism. Rome was never to blame for Jesus as Pilot washed his hands, Herod was not to blame as he refered Jesus to the Pharasees. It was the Jews who called out, " Give us Barrabus." I belive the so called Christos, Greek for Messiah, that Nero killed after the fire of Rome were Helinised Jews, falsly accused of being Rebels, Messianic Jews. After 70Ad Titus, son of Emporor Vespasian ordered the Temple to be destroyed and all Jewish books confiscated and brought to Rome. Vespasian was the same General who destroyed Druids in Gaul. The writings of Paul have an eerie similar style and analogies as Josephus Flavius Antiquitys of the Jews. The whole idea of the New Testament was to discredit the Jewish Rebels and create a more Roman friendly religion. The claim: God gave his blessing to a rebelious people who perverted it and now the blessing is now on the Gentiles, Spiritual Jews. The Sumeritan story was just one more story to show just how corrupt the Jew was. Its all nonsense. Stop hate
Photo of Samaritans wearing the fez.
Fez is dyed red with slaughtered christian blood.
Fun fact.
Protestantism & Catholicism/Pauline Christianity are Worship of God, that we have not seen(according to Jesus) are worst than cults..becuz these churches Worship God in a Temple made of Stones & of Wood....Jesus emphasized that we have to Worship God after the Destruction of the Temple that was built for 46 years in Jerusalem (70 AD), as told to the Samaritan woman..to Worship God in Spirit & in Truth only, a Worship of God in a Temple made of Gold and Prescious stones(Gemstones) and not in any churches made of Stones & of Wood....The Cube City or Temple with 12 Gates will arrive soon..so get READY..Jesus said Drink my Blood & Eat my Flesh to gain Eternal Life.
Excellent teaching re the antecedents of the Samaritans
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