Even if it will not increase the fps. Making it more stable could be a worthwile endeavor I believe. The question is the strain on the parts - it could decrease the longetivity of the internal mechanism (also making the cocking and the double action trigger harder)
Thats true So is it worth doing ? Probably not 😆 i made this video to debunk al those people that go: yeah bro you should stick some cardboard between the spring, mine has got over 500 fps now, bruh! 🤣😅 And they never do any any testing before and after
@@HappyDude1 I was checking this video as I wanted to buy one and by mistake I ended buying two :) (for a price of one new one) Both were second hand, one in almost new condition, the other fully functional, but showing signs of ware. What I have found is that the almost new one has harder hammer spring, which suggests to me that this fix might work in case of weak hammer spring. Unfortunately I don't have a chrono and the range seems similar to me (about 50 meters, the new-ish one seems to be more accurate and consistent) so it's just a speculation. One other idea might be that it could affect heavier ammo more as that spends more time (using the gas more efficiently) in the barrel and the fps creep is a thing.
@the dutohlav My spring is also weaker because of the extra tension 😅 Its best to leave it alone And maybe you should also buy a chrono to test the fps
@@HappyDude1 hi buddy, I got far more that 500 ft,ps out of my Dan Wesson! it must have been going well over 5,000 ft,ps, "before it hit the ground and it killed an Elefant sone dead on the first hit!", I throw it out an aircraft flying at 10,000 feet high!, ha, ha, ha, got yer! ok lets stop joking around now, the answer is yes you can get a little more out of a 6 inch Dan Wesson, but it's only a little more! nothing like 500 ft,ps though! unless your firing 1 grain ball's!, and you can "improve it" without spending any money on it too! first take out the power valve, then carefully strip it down by undoing the brass screw. once undone gentle re-move the valve, watching for any other bit's that can and will come out with it, it should come out like this,, valve, spring, flat washer, "O" ring, also inside the valve body is free floating an aluminum ring. do not re-fit that aluminum ring, you can leave that part out as it's only a gas volume restrictor, that aluminum ring is not fitted inside the 2 inch snubby Dan Wesson as being a short Ars revolver and hence it has a bit more power to push to get the pellet/ ball out with! now is the tricky part, with a very good pair of wire cutters cut off one Coile from the valve spring, that valve spring is way over the top in strength to start with, all it needs to do is close the bloody valve, and nothing more than that! you could try putting in a lighter spring! but I just chopped mine down a bit, remember it must still close that valve "but only very lightly", however it's the Co2 gas pressure that slams the valve closed, and it keep's it closed, until the hammer strikes it bumping it open, and that is it, now carefully put the valve back together again and Wack it back into the revolver!, now you listen to the crack it makes when fired! I cannot tell you just how much power you will get as I cannot be bothered to crony mine, and all crony's read different anyhow! a lot comes down to Temperature, humidity. exact weight of shot, tightness of barrel (or lack of it!), and your willingness to be bitterly disappointed! but I can say is my Dan Wesson now shoots 6 inches higher than it did over the same distance! and a lot of plastic ball's go right through the same box I was shooting at, and come right back at me, still carrying a great deal of force! like "ouch, I just shot myself, again!" this is what I have done as a modification to my Dan Wesson, but then, I know what I am doing, (honk honk!) but if you do it, you do it at your own risk! however if you do fu£k it up, a new valve only cost's £20! have fun, and stay safe
If you want to increase the speed, several operations must be done: * Increase the diameter of the gas hole with a drill, but very little. So that it dumps out more gas. Or, insert a weaker valve spring. Then it will also dump out more gas. * Mill out some material behind the hammer with, for example, a dremel stone, and thereby get longer and stronger blows with the hammer. * And, replace the hammer spring with a harder one. Then you will probably increase fps by 25-30. Possibly more. But is also a risk. It's a bit of a game of chance.
The trouble is, it's all pot metal and not kind to lend to machining. It can be done but we're not talking massive gains. We're allowed 6lbs in the UK with pistols and most are a kinda "3-4lbs and no good for pest control.
Replace the valve spring with a weaker spring. Enlarge the valve hole. Replace the cartridge with a low power one and drill a 3.6mm hole. 6mmbb has the most power. I'm sorry, my English is not good.
The key to increasing the fps is increasing the air pressure and hammer hitting power.then it will work.of cause if you have professional machine.you can design a new valve and it will work better.but remember if you do not have professional tools i don't recommend modify valve.because i tried before.and its not that easy.according to my experience.after i managed modify umerex and i turn it to a pcp pistol.and now it can work on 20mpa air cylinder.and the hammer has enough force to open the valve.now it works perfect and so powerful.
Question please : Will this mod do anything to add tension to a loose and sloppy hammer ? I just bought a new DW 2.5" revolver, and the hammer is so sloppy and loose it feels it could fall right off the $140 gun at any shot. Thanks !
The DW715 shoots at steady 3.6Joules, check out vipervideos review on the gun, he took the barrell out and replaced it by whole new 6in rifeled, but didint do any chrono afterwards. Some dude in finalnd modded dw715 ti shoot .25 cal and add hpa system and 22joules of power
@@HappyDude1 You’re welcome and thank you. Curious to know if you did anything to increase the power? When you fired the Dan Wesson in the other video it sounded different. The 5 Joules of energy, how do I get that?
Hello man love your videos keep em up! I have a question! Im new to airguns. I have only tried guns with weather. Now I wanna buy a gun with CO2. Should I take out the CO2 from the gun when I dont wanna use the gun? and do I need to throw the co2patron away or can I save it for later?
@@HappyDude1 if you use it up a bunch through out the day will it just get super slow like 100 fps and that’s when you take it out or is there a specific number when you take it out
ALWAYS USE UP THE GASS IN THE CILLINDER AND TAKE IT OUT, never leave them in full or empty it will ruin you seals inside the gun, and it helps to put a drop of PELLGUN oil on the very top of the c02 and carefully guide it in to the puncher point when ya load them in, good for all the parts inside, but makes for extra cleaning, and OH YEA you godda clean them pretty well due to the LEAD OXIDE inside the c02 if they still do that. i quit buying Crossman because of the lead in the c02
Don’t forget kid, FPS =/= Joule (Power). Just because a BB is faster it doesn’t mean it’s more powerful in comparison to a heavier BB with less FPS. FPS doesn’t really matter. I have .44 cal S&M Magnum 3" airsoft revolver. Meaning 6mm. And I have 0.25g plastic BBs and .90g steel BBs. The 0.25g plastic BBs are way faster than the steel BBs. But the steel bbs with 0.90g do have way more power even though they are slower and lose velocity faster. Tested it against a door. Plastic BBs bounced off, the steel BBs went straight through by a shooting distance of around 7meters. Speed =/= power. It depends on the weight of the projectile.
@@HappyDude1 ok good to kno I figured if u increase the tension of the hammer hitting the valve sooner or later the valve will get damaged.. thanks for responding
Does your pistol have a 4.5mm barrel that opens into a larger 6mm barrel 'shroud'? I've heard that these 6 inchers have only 2.5" of effective rifled barrel. That could be the reason why the hammer spring mod did not work. We well know that releasing more CO2 won't work after a certain point considering the barrel length is kept fixed.
no, in Britain as long as your pistol cannot go above 6 ft,lbs that's legal, but not many Co2 pistols can get anywhere near that power, but some can, however if you get nicked with one they are not just called a firearm, they are a part 5 firearm, and that means,,, lot's and lot's of holiday time in nick!, I pushed a Crossman pistol up to 9.5 ft,lbs once! being very naughty just to try it out to see if I could do it, and I could! but it's back down to 5,7 ft,lbs now!
Thanks alot, for having showed this "spring thing " , which I never thought that it was logical. How come the hammer would have some kind of effect on the projectile??? Totally illogical! Let's put this "logic" to a firearm. In what manner does hitting faster or harder the primer of a bullet would have whatever effect on the powder explosion ??? Nooooootttt!!!! 😄 Hahaha! Anyhow. 2 thumbs up 👍 👍!
Indeed, the idea with gas is when you hit the valve harder it opens up more and more gas goes trough and you get more fps. But it allready opens up completely so it doesn't matter how hard you hit it. Unless there is a weak spring in it from the factory. If you want more FPS you need more pressure
Dont be stupid....if course its logical.....stronger the spring means the hammer hits harder....allowing the valve to stay open longer allowing more co2 into it....think before talking shite .
@@HappyDude1 more likely that the valve even if fully opened by the hammer striking it does not have the volume inside it to hold enough gas to push the BB any faster, and I can tell you now that it don't! power as in ft,ps comes down to gas presser, valve gas flow, and valve overlap timing!, if the gas valve has little capacity, or presser, or under timed, you won't get power, if the gas valve is over timed, you waste gas! but with a little mod done to the valve you can get a little more out of it! but at a cost of using more Co2 up with every shot, so you need to balance the tension of the hammer spring with its striking ability to fully open the valve, and that is all it needs to do! smacking it like a sledgehammer is not needed. and you can improve the gas valve capacity but not very much, however it dose improve the power.
or can't you just find something that can turn the round brass thing that has like a flat head screw top and a little button in the middle where your hammer hits, that will release more c02 as well, or will that VOID YOUR WARRENTY by opening it up within the 30 days of purchase 🤔 my pellet version shoots steady at 450, but i use 0.35 g aluminum alloy pellets and they FLY LIKE KRAZY. VERY HELPFUL VIDEO bro thank you 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
sorry dude but you must be blind for not to see with the use of a chrono that you do actually get more out of it, this is a modification that i done myself along with other things on the very same gun and i can guarantee that on this gun you can get a cosiderate increase amount of power
You need to do a theory test and practical then you need lessons and training. And a doctor needs to see if your not crazy and a clean record. I have that btw
I made a new video
With with a better test
ua-cam.com/video/kEznArSm6ao/v-deo.html
Even if it will not increase the fps. Making it more stable could be a worthwile endeavor I believe. The question is the strain on the parts - it could decrease the longetivity of the internal mechanism (also making the cocking and the double action trigger harder)
Thats true
So is it worth doing ? Probably not
😆 i made this video to debunk al those people that go: yeah bro you should stick some cardboard between the spring, mine has got over 500 fps now, bruh! 🤣😅
And they never do any any testing before and after
@@HappyDude1 I was checking this video as I wanted to buy one and by mistake I ended buying two :) (for a price of one new one)
Both were second hand, one in almost new condition, the other fully functional, but showing signs of ware.
What I have found is that the almost new one has harder hammer spring, which suggests to me that this fix might work in case of weak hammer spring. Unfortunately I don't have a chrono and the range seems similar to me (about 50 meters, the new-ish one seems to be more accurate and consistent) so it's just a speculation.
One other idea might be that it could affect heavier ammo more as that spends more time (using the gas more efficiently) in the barrel and the fps creep is a thing.
@the dutohlav
My spring is also weaker because of the extra tension 😅
Its best to leave it alone
And maybe you should also buy a chrono to test the fps
@@HappyDude1 hi buddy, I got far more that 500 ft,ps out of my Dan Wesson! it must have been going well over 5,000 ft,ps, "before it hit the ground and it killed an Elefant sone dead on the first hit!", I throw it out an aircraft flying at 10,000 feet high!, ha, ha, ha, got yer! ok lets stop joking around now, the answer is yes you can get a little more out of a 6 inch Dan Wesson, but it's only a little more! nothing like 500 ft,ps though! unless your firing 1 grain ball's!, and you can "improve it" without spending any money on it too! first take out the power valve, then carefully strip it down by undoing the brass screw. once undone gentle re-move the valve, watching for any other bit's that can and will come out with it, it should come out like this,, valve, spring, flat washer, "O" ring, also inside the valve body is free floating an aluminum ring. do not re-fit that aluminum ring, you can leave that part out as it's only a gas volume restrictor, that aluminum ring is not fitted inside the 2 inch snubby Dan Wesson as being a short Ars revolver and hence it has a bit more power to push to get the pellet/ ball out with! now is the tricky part, with a very good pair of wire cutters cut off one Coile from the valve spring, that valve spring is way over the top in strength to start with, all it needs to do is close the bloody valve, and nothing more than that! you could try putting in a lighter spring! but I just chopped mine down a bit, remember it must still close that valve "but only very lightly", however it's the Co2 gas pressure that slams the valve closed, and it keep's it closed, until the hammer strikes it bumping it open, and that is it, now carefully put the valve back together again and Wack it back into the revolver!, now you listen to the crack it makes when fired! I cannot tell you just how much power you will get as I cannot be bothered to crony mine, and all crony's read different anyhow! a lot comes down to Temperature, humidity. exact weight of shot, tightness of barrel (or lack of it!), and your willingness to be bitterly disappointed! but I can say is my Dan Wesson now shoots 6 inches higher than it did over the same distance! and a lot of plastic ball's go right through the same box I was shooting at, and come right back at me, still carrying a great deal of force! like "ouch, I just shot myself, again!" this is what I have done as a modification to my Dan Wesson, but then, I know what I am doing, (honk honk!) but if you do it, you do it at your own risk! however if you do fu£k it up, a new valve only cost's £20! have fun, and stay safe
Thanks for the video, I can now take apart my dan Wesson and see if I can move the internals to a custom frame.
Have fun 😀
If you want to increase the speed, several operations must be done:
* Increase the diameter of the gas hole with a drill, but very little. So that it dumps out more gas. Or, insert a weaker valve spring. Then it will also dump out more gas.
* Mill out some material behind the hammer with, for example, a dremel stone, and thereby get longer and stronger blows with the hammer.
* And, replace the hammer spring with a harder one.
Then you will probably increase fps by 25-30. Possibly more.
But is also a risk. It's a bit of a game of chance.
The trouble is, it's all pot metal and not kind to lend to machining. It can be done but we're not talking massive gains. We're allowed 6lbs in the UK with pistols and most are a kinda "3-4lbs and no good for pest control.
Sounds like it's not really worth all the effort and risk. An extra 25 fps is not really going to make a difference
Eventually you gave the answer of what I thought all the time. 😊
Replace the valve spring with a weaker spring. Enlarge the valve hole. Replace the cartridge with a low power one and drill a 3.6mm hole. 6mmbb has the most power. I'm sorry, my English is not good.
The key to increasing the fps is increasing the air pressure and hammer hitting power.then it will work.of cause if you have professional machine.you can design a new valve and it will work better.but remember if you do not have professional tools i don't recommend modify valve.because i tried before.and its not that easy.according to my experience.after i managed modify umerex and i turn it to a pcp pistol.and now it can work on 20mpa air cylinder.and the hammer has enough force to open the valve.now it works perfect and so powerful.
What a disappointing result ...was really hoping to see an increase but still enjoyed this video . Well made and explained. 👌🏻
Merci pour la vidéo !
Cela m’a évité de perdre mon temps à utiliser cette modification qui ne sert à rien !
Merci encore
Congratulations for your video !!!!
For custom revolvers, the Umarex 586 and 686 give good results. good luck.
Happyy duudde!!
Yeah a new graphic card should increase the fps xD
they are out of stock :p
@@HappyDude1 love your channel name btw :D
@@gammoron
Thx 😀
Hello this is t2bkk and do love airguns.
Please be good friends connected.
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ATTACHE METAL ON THE HAMMER, IT GOES IN DEEPER, MEANS MORE TIME FOR MORE C02 TO GET IN , WORKS PERFECT UP TO 4 MORE JOULES
Not true, its allready fully open and The pressure in the capsule remains the same
your guns always looks so good
Thank you I Polish them 😁
@@HappyDude1 well mine i just rub some ethyl alcohol on mine it just shines
Yes
I don't want that guy hanging around my back door at night. Woh !
Why?, you scared? 😁
Whut
Question please : Will this mod do anything to add tension to a loose and sloppy hammer ? I just bought a new DW 2.5" revolver, and the hammer is so sloppy and loose it feels it could fall right off the $140 gun at any shot. Thanks !
It can but it will add more stress, and then i can get even more sloppy over time
I added a small washer to the hammer pivot. It took a bit of the sloppiness out of the hammer.
The DW715 shoots at steady 3.6Joules, check out vipervideos review on the gun, he took the barrell out and replaced it by whole new 6in rifeled, but didint do any chrono afterwards.
Some dude in finalnd modded dw715 ti shoot .25 cal and add hpa system and 22joules of power
@@toyotacorollae1407do you have a link to that?
@@kubilaymeydan1457 ua-cam.com/video/GHBWP2U4Qjw/v-deo.html
Very nice, and very expensive c02 then lol
Lift the hammer spring up with pliers and put a 6mm bb or something of the same size like a nut and look out lol
And if you lube up the pellets?
And the barrel?
More FPS
Maybe i will try it out and make a video
i mean 400fps is already so fast and its fun be happy with it haha
@@health4430
I know, but still you can never have enough fps 😁
Nice video. Is this the same one that broke that glass?
Thank you and Indeed it is
@@HappyDude1 You’re welcome and thank you. Curious to know if you did anything to increase the power? When you fired the Dan Wesson in the other video it sounded different. The 5 Joules of energy, how do I get that?
@@joshDifferent25
Watch this video again 😀
Its not 5 joule and
Sound is different because of different environment
@@HappyDude1 Alright Thank you
Hello man love your videos keep em up!
I have a question! Im new to airguns. I have only tried guns with weather. Now I wanna buy a gun with CO2. Should I take out the CO2 from the gun when I dont wanna use the gun? and do I need to throw the co2patron away or can I save it for later?
If you are done shooting for the day yes take it out.
You can not re-use it
Watch this video
ua-cam.com/video/_l9bDxVN_C0/v-deo.html
@@HappyDude1 Thank you man
@@HappyDude1 if you use it up a bunch through out the day will it just get super slow like 100 fps and that’s when you take it out or is there a specific number when you take it out
@@velvet3813
you will hear it when its empty
ALWAYS USE UP THE GASS IN THE CILLINDER AND TAKE IT OUT, never leave them in full or empty it will ruin you seals inside the gun, and it helps to put a drop of PELLGUN oil on the very top of the c02 and carefully guide it in to the puncher point when ya load them in, good for all the parts inside, but makes for extra cleaning, and OH YEA you godda clean them pretty well due to the LEAD OXIDE inside the c02 if they still do that. i quit buying Crossman because of the lead in the c02
nothing has changed😀
Not true its worse now 😆
jk, love the content man
Interesting
I was thinking the same
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Don’t forget kid, FPS =/= Joule (Power).
Just because a BB is faster it doesn’t mean it’s more powerful in comparison to a heavier BB with less FPS.
FPS doesn’t really matter.
I have .44 cal S&M Magnum 3" airsoft revolver. Meaning 6mm.
And I have 0.25g plastic BBs and .90g steel BBs.
The 0.25g plastic BBs are way faster than the steel BBs. But the steel bbs with 0.90g do have way more power even though they are slower and lose velocity faster. Tested it against a door. Plastic BBs bounced off, the steel BBs went straight through by a shooting distance of around 7meters.
Speed =/= power. It depends on the weight of the projectile.
I already made a video that explains everything about joule and fps 🙂 and fps is not joule. Fps is speed and joule is energy
Read more on ballistics, boy.
can you do the same with winggun revolver
You can try
I thought Peter Laure died.
He can never die
Nice video bro❤
Thx
So it’s not really worth doing this modification then.. I have this gun
Not really no
@@HappyDude1 ok good to kno I figured if u increase the tension of the hammer hitting the valve sooner or later the valve will get damaged.. thanks for responding
Great video
thank you! :)
I have a daisy 415 that shoots 522 fps
I have it's twin from Crosman
Is it affect the life of the gun?
Oh yes don't do it
He dod mod wrong , should have shortened shaft
Does your pistol have a 4.5mm barrel that opens into a larger 6mm barrel 'shroud'? I've heard that these 6 inchers have only 2.5" of effective rifled barrel.
That could be the reason why the hammer spring mod did not work. We well know that releasing more CO2 won't work after a certain point considering the barrel length is kept fixed.
Its 4.5 mm all the way 😁
@@HappyDude1 pardon my ignorance, is yours a DW or a DW 715?
@@avp.69 no worries its the dw 8 inch
@@HappyDude1 Ah right. Those are fine, the whole barrel issue is with the DW 715
@@avp.69
Hmmm i was thinking of buying one
What exactly is the description/part number of the valve used in that gun?
👍
You need a longer spring so you can get more tension from it
It's CO2 and plus a longer spring won't fit In a spring gun it just has to be more firm 💀💀💀
☠️☠️
In Britain it is an offence to do this
no, in Britain as long as your pistol cannot go above 6 ft,lbs that's legal, but not many Co2 pistols can get anywhere near that power, but some can, however if you get nicked with one they are not just called a firearm, they are a part 5 firearm, and that means,,, lot's and lot's of holiday time in nick!, I pushed a Crossman pistol up to 9.5 ft,lbs once! being very naughty just to try it out to see if I could do it, and I could! but it's back down to 5,7 ft,lbs now!
Everything is an offence in Britain. Unless you are a criminal.
Everything it's against the law in the UK.
Except Fish and Chips and alcohol on Friday nights.
Thanks alot, for having showed this "spring thing " , which I never thought that it was logical. How come the hammer would have some kind of effect on the projectile??? Totally illogical! Let's put this "logic" to a firearm. In what manner does hitting faster or harder the primer of a bullet would have whatever effect on the powder explosion ??? Nooooootttt!!!! 😄 Hahaha!
Anyhow. 2 thumbs up 👍 👍!
Indeed, the idea with gas is when you hit the valve harder it opens up more and more gas goes trough and you get more fps. But it allready opens up completely so it doesn't matter how hard you hit it. Unless there is a weak spring in it from the factory. If you want more FPS you need more pressure
Dont be stupid....if course its logical.....stronger the spring means the hammer hits harder....allowing the valve to stay open longer allowing more co2 into it....think before talking shite .
@@HappyDude1 more likely that the valve even if fully opened by the hammer striking it does not have the volume inside it to hold enough gas to push the BB any faster, and I can tell you now that it don't! power as in ft,ps comes down to gas presser, valve gas flow, and valve overlap timing!, if the gas valve has little capacity, or presser, or under timed, you won't get power, if the gas valve is over timed, you waste gas! but with a little mod done to the valve you can get a little more out of it! but at a cost of using more Co2 up with every shot, so you need to balance the tension of the hammer spring with its striking ability to fully open the valve, and that is all it needs to do! smacking it like a sledgehammer is not needed. and you can improve the gas valve capacity but not very much, however it dose improve the power.
or can't you just find something that can turn the round brass thing that has like a flat head screw top and a little button in the middle where your hammer hits, that will release more c02 as well, or will that VOID YOUR WARRENTY by opening it up within the 30 days of purchase 🤔 my pellet version shoots steady at 450, but i use 0.35 g aluminum alloy pellets and they FLY LIKE KRAZY. VERY HELPFUL VIDEO bro thank you 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Its best to leave it like it is
And thank you
Which one are you talking about
very disappointing gun, it was advertised with much more out of the box
No its not
It actually had a bit more
When it was new
@@HappyDude1 haven´t you said 4-5 Joule in another video
@@SpencerGaming7580
Yeah i was wrong
all bb handguns are limited to a max of 3.5J
sorry dude but you must be blind for not to see with the use of a chrono that you do actually get more out of it, this is a modification that i done myself along with other things on the very same gun and i can guarantee that on this gun you can get a cosiderate increase amount of power
Show me a video
Without cuts or edit
Can you prove this??
Well, that was a waste of time. Thanks.
No doing the work and finding out that it does nothing would be a waste of time
And i saved you from that
I want to buy the dan wesson. Which is more powerful 8 inch or 6 inch version?
The 8
@@HappyDude1 in terms of FPS and everything?
@@user-freetopg yes 🙂
both are low powered pistol's, and both have the same amount of power!
If you want more fps get real gun that’s all 😂🙈
You need to do a theory test and practical then you need lessons and training. And a doctor needs to see if your not crazy and a clean record. I have that btw
What a disappointing result ...was really hoping to see an increase but still enjoyed this video . Well made and explained. 👌🏻
Thank you
And now you know it doesn't work. This myth is busted 😁
Nice video. Is this the same one that broke that glass?