A F2P's thoughts on the state of Honkai Star Rail
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
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With Acheron and FF you can just brute force the whole game
i kind of disagree with your take. while i do agree that acheron boothill and firefly specifically are stronger than older units like jingliu, blade and jing yuan, i disagree that the game is centered around them.
now, of course the new PF/MoC/AS is built for the newest unit released at that time, it is the same in almost every live service game even outside of the gacha space (for example WoW: Dragonflights first raids' endboss was only doable on the highest difficulty if you brought multiple of the newest class released in said expansion), it has never been a problem to clear content with older units. sure, it may be "easier" to clear with the new shiny units, but who actually cares if you get 12 stars in MoC in 5 or 6 cycles? the rewards are the same. Same goes for PF (where 2 free units are literally THE best units and give you essentially 40k on one side for free) and AS, which is pretty easily clearable with any other archetype, like hypercarry(DHIL, JL), DoT or FuA teams. Sure, this specific iteration of AS, which is centered around break effect is more braindead to do with the newly released firefly or boothill but, again, who cares if you can get the full rewards with other, halfway built teams as well? I think the bigger problem is that people, especially very casual players or "i only pull waifus"- players dont have any idea how to build their characters and build teams around the content they want to do.
I, for example, cleared every PF so far with a clara team on one side and a herta team on the other side. Sure, as soon as i got himeko (who is also free btw if you get her from the 300 pulls gift) PF got easier, but it was also very much doable without too much of a struggle without her. i have no limited 5 star that is good in pure ficiton, with the exception of aventurine.
In MoC, i cleared every stage with JL on one side and a ratio/aventurine team on the other side. It took me a couple attempts on MoC12 to get the last star but it was never a real struggle.
I do agree that it seems like many new game modes were designed for FF/BH but you really have to consider that superbreak (or break damage as a team archetype in general) is VERY new to HSR and was not really in the game before HMC/FF/BH. It only makes sense to incorporate mechanics that reward the break playstyle, like the new divergent universe blessings centered around break effect, which HAD to be added to the game or this archetype would not have been viable in any SU/DU content.
Yeah I also share the same opinion, I'd go even further to say that there isn't even anything that is valid to call "powercreep", the word truely only makes sense when leaderboards or competition exists within the environment of the game where newer stuff completely outclasses the previous available stuff so much that if you don't switch you are at a loss/massive disadvantage making it easy for your opponents to outperform you and costing you ranks and rewards but no hsr is a single player game with a very linear spike in difficulty that once you've crossed will never really rise no matter what new content they bring to the board if you're a long time player with invested units no matter how old they are you will get through the content obviously you will have a much worse performance compared to the newest stuff but does it really matter? If you're still getting the full rewards anyway...
@@knmrt2760 agree 100% with your point. the "older" chars also get stronger in the mean time because if you dont pull for new chars, you can always keep improving your relics for your old chars until they have god tier equipment, with which you can clear anything with any char
I completely get what you're saying and I also never said (not saying that you were implying this) that you couldn't clear the content with other teams so long as you invested. My problem isn't related to if it can be done or not, but my own personal satisfaction and enjoyment. You acknowledged that the recent content (and to be fair it's always been this way to some degree just recently they've gone even more specific with it) is designed for the latest characters which i talked about in the vid. But the thing I really enjoyed with this game is building up numerous teams and playstyles and slotting them in and out depending on what was needed, but when the new content is largely designed just for the new stuff, it makes my previous investment feel not as viable as my current one since the content is designed around the stuff I am currently investing, and with the rate we can get new 5 stars (not a bad thing imo) I can pretty much always guarantee that one of my teams is the current meta. You don't need it, but to me when it's so heavily favored and I have the new meta, why would I use my previous teams and that design is not my cup of tea. Combine that with the recent units also being extremely strong just by themselves like Archeron and Firefly (both of whom I have) to where even if a piece of content isn't explicitly designed for them, I can still make them work with brute force. I have a decently high eidolon (forgot the number) Clara with LC but I would just never use her cause I have no need to. Same with my old Jingliu team who also has LC, I just havn't used her in so long cause nothing really calls for it as opposed to my Acheron and Firefly teams (or Himeko Herta team if we're talking Pure Fiction). Could I clear the content with them, yeah probably with a bit more investment, but I could also just spend that time investing more into my Acheron and Firefly teams instead since they are largely who the recent content is designed around (boothill as well just I don't have him cause I was saving for Firefly but he can basically be a substitute for her in most cases to my knowledge)
Reading this makes me feel like i suck cause we do MoC with very similar teams (I use JL hypercarry and ratio team without aventurine for the other side) but I'm stuck on stage 8 😭.
@@danielgfeggx358 that has to be a skill/relic/level issue 100%
this is how its always been, you realizing it just now means ur new to the game. the strat is to pull for characters you think that will last and still is able to blitz through future content.
yeah, its kinda funny but at the same time we shudnt be defending gachas anyway since it is so predatory but then again, it is a gacha, and gachas always powercreep from time to time to encourage/enticing/forcing (whatever u want to call it) u to get new stuff if u want to have easier time in their non stop update endgame content, theres no buts in between, u either continue play it because of either u really want to see it till the very end, or u force to stay cuz of (sunk cost fallacy), or u had ur fill and u quit without hatred feeling, thats about it, only people that never touches gacha feels intimidate by hsr or whatsoever, but thats what u do, u either quit gacha for good, or stay to play
Did you just realize that how they sell their characters as well 😅 ? I mean, if you can clear every new content with what you have ( vertical investment can help too. ) Players will have no reason to pull for the new characters. Sure having the new one will make things more easier, but that's normal if they want to keep the players interest to the game. So yeah, having the new characters will help a lot, but like you say, it's not like impossible without the new one.
Ps : Everyone gets Herta for free so dw, you are not a clown.😅😂
The game's always been this way. The first MOC during Seele banner was Quantum weakness in MOC9 and 10 and had a turbulence of hunt characters doing extra damage. This really only matters for new accounts. You don't need Firefly to do the current AS4, PF4 or MOC12. You can do it with Himeko, you can do it with the FuA team, you can do it with Argenti, there's a lot of different solutions. In fact, this system is GOOD for new accounts, because my F2P 2 month account pulled the Firefly hyperbreak team and now has a team that is immediately impactful and can do good work right away without a lot of investment, which I can't do since as a new account I have more things to farm than I have energy for. Will Firefly hyperbreak be weaker in a couple of months when new characters release and the meta is favoring them? Yes, but by then I will have had time to farm traces and relics and have Firefly be able to keep up through raw investment, just like you can do FuA PF4-1 with a dot team.
I get that and talked about most of that in the video, my problem is the fun factor, because I don't find that design really interesting when there's obvious answers to the problems being posed to me as the player.
@@JMulls HSR has better design than most turn based RPGs where the boss "puzzle" is using that one spell/class/monster/item that you picked up 5 minutes before the boss fight, with the boss fight often being impossible otherwise. Want to survive the boss's instakill poison? Better have all your characters learn that poison resistance skill from the herbalist class you just unlocked. In HSR the best answer is obvious, the current banner, but it's usually inaccessible to F2P because the jade economy simply doesn't allow for it, and since it's not the only answer, you still have to figure out how to use your other solutions to answer this puzzle. Argenti banner is back so PF4-1 is designed for him. On paper Clara should be good there, until you realize none of the enemies in wave 2 attack so she gets no counters off. So do you pull Argenti? Do you try to get Clara to clear the wave just off her skill? Do you maybe add a second DPS to clear that wave for her? There is an obvious answer, but there's still complexity to it.
From the sounds of it you missed the point of what I'm talking about because I never said, and in fact said the opposite, that you NEED the newest 5 star to clear the content. I said I don't find that shifting meta design to be particularly fun or engaging, you even say that there is an obvious answer there and my problem inherently stems from there being an obvious answer and previous teams feeling far worse comparatively cause they no longer fit the new playstyle they are heavily incentivizing
See now you see why I skipped firefly and go for units I like, and watch 2.4 focused on Dots and follow up given the two units coming
One vision I've just accepted is that MoC11/12 and to some extent Pure fiction 4 and apocalyptic shadow 4 is for the meta players and people who have invested a good bit into the game, which I am not one of them
I'm more than happy for being able to clear MoC7, PF3 and AS2 with teams that aren't fully invested and without playing according to meta, I have accepted that I'll probably never clear MoC11/12 and that eventually I might be able to clear PF4 and AS4, star rail is a gatcha game and I know that that means that end game content will be very hard to clear as a low spender or f2p player, all things considered, mihoyo has done a good job making sure that only the high levels, where you only would be missing out on 160 jades (or 1 pull) is truly hard to clear and for that I'm happy
But yeah, I do agree on the point that we are only in year 2 of the game and the power creep is already crazy, I do hope the next character that will create a shift in gameplay as big as acheron did is pretty far away and not in the 3rd year of the game, I would be ok for a big power creep to happen again in year 4, preferrably never but that is not very likely
I used Himeko on MoC 12 💀. Keep complaining I'm also f2p. Also that Himeko/Herta, you could've easily 40K that if you used Gallagher to help your Himeko break more.
Why would I care about getting 40k when i already won?
But the missing point is they are giving you a paid option but also a free one at the same time. Yes Xueyi isn't as powerful as Firefly, but she still works well in the break meta. You can run a team of Xueyi, Harmony MC, Asta and Lynx and beat AS3, if you really heavily invest, likely AS4 too. Same with PF, they give you E6 Herta through the sim uni so you always have a follow-up unit option. They'll probably add a 4* selector with Gallagher which will bump up the value of the break and follow up teams even more so since without Ruan Mei, Gallagher is great at shredding toughness. You can use his ult and advance forward to his enhanced basic and take off 25% off a fire weak enemy easily. But yes if you want to steam through the content, pull for the 5* who is designed for it, but I never felt that I needed a particular unit for any end game content.
Yo drop a video about how you grind for jades
I normally just do the events, side quests, and get all the treasures in the world, not much else to do than trying to get the challenges done in Sim/divergent universe, you can also do the web events and log in rewards they do but I rarely ever do them
My feels and thoughts are kinda same. What I realy don't like is that Hoyo forsing to pull for new character with endgame content, like, character story and kit isn't enough. Anyway it is gacha game and we need to collect as much characters as possible, so there is no need to forse them the way they do.
But I stay optimistic, and hope that Hoyo can easily fix current problem by releasing mixed archetype characters, like dot-crit, break-fua, dot-fua, break-dot.
Future will tell. For now this game is still playable and can be enjoyed.
Been playing for 125 days, I don't even feel obliged to clear MoC, PF and AS, I capped my level at 70 to avoid fighting more difficult Bosses in the story, I enjoy more the story and pull characters because I love what they bring to the story, only after comes necessity to get it to improve my account. Powercreep, sure, it will always happen and Players who value that aspect of the game will always be triggered as soon as it happens Hoyo knows it and will keep doing it. Let's just have fun in our own ways.
P.S: If Acheron will get powercreeped in the future, it will be by another Emanator, that's my position 😂😂😂
Hot take you don’t need firefly you can make a break team with Ruan Mei I do agree if you didn’t get Ruan Mei you will struggle she has so many buffs for your team it’s insane you don’t need firefly or even Acheron you just need ruan mei she is the best universal support in the game by far and I don’t see that changing anytime soon so yes i agree they do need too fix this issue or find a middle ground but you don’t need firefly or Acheron you just need Ruan Mei in fact if your f2p player and you can’t get both firefly and Ruan Mei i recommend you get Ruan Mei over firefly 100%
Dude the game is done this way by purpose it ain't powercreeped things are just changed to suit the new character so players who do pull can get the full enjoyment out of their new character, I used Seele all the way until getting Acheron, hell I still do use Seele the game does well with not being overrun by powercreep oh and must I also note Acheron and Firefly both are quite f2p, Firefly requires just Harmony TB to work, Ruan Mei is just a bonus you can replace her for someone else and Gallagher is free too.
Read a comment recently about a guy really wanting argenti but asked if he is worth it on Reddit.
I kid you not a majority of the comments were: "no pull jade because of powercreep" or "skip he is useless" or "he is better than jade because of..."
like people chill in general, if they want to pull for argenti..let them. They wont get crippled by anything and like a lot of people said in here in the comment sections, the powercreep matters only for a minority, a leaderboard that is made up by people that care for being marginaly better outside of the game (said leaderboards) and also are probably gigawhales.
Also if powercreep is a thing why can seele the first ever limited banner still 0 cycle MOC12?
IDK man enjoy the game pull and build what u want and only use prydewyn or other building sites for the builds and pro/cons but NEVER EVER get decieved by tier lists and 0 cycle stuff if u get the same rewards than others
I mean seele is better than Argenti
F2p and low spenders should really lean on their 4 stars and standard 5 star characters. Honestly break meta has been way easier than the DOT meta before it if you don't pull limited units since most of break is availble for free with Xueyi, Harmony MC and Gallagher. Hunt March 7th will also help with breaking enemies soon.
Yeah luka is amazing, sushang was top 10 most used in as. I feel like super break was one of the easiest metas to date
i cant clear mlc 11 nowdays, and because i couldnt build a second pure fiction team my gem income is has be so less every patch that its kind of annoying me lately.
I have mad a lot of mistakes on my account. pulling e2 seela with every gem i could scrounge instead of getting a light cone or not being able to pull silver wolf because i used everything on seelas banner, investing in blade when he came out( lost heavy 50/50, did not know lune and jinglu are coming soon at that time) etc.
After seeing jinglu doing that much damage and just straight up powercreeping blade in such a short time i quit. eventually came back when dr ratio was given for free. after that i continued playing on and off for some time until i saw firefly and started playing seriously again.
Even though my artifact luck is quite bad. i still have 12 characters decently built with max traces in some of them, and the some supports having 134 speed and the rest at least have their main stats and sets. seela having 60 -160 crit, and drratio having a bit less at 50-140 without their signature lightcone (how do you even pull a light cone as an f2p? with how bad my luck is, I'm having a rough time even getting the character due to losing heavy 50/50, let alone getting a light cone that has almost the same gacha system as the character banner).
These are my 2 hypercarry teams, with ruan mei, blade, luocha for seela, and welt, fu suan, black swan/lynx when needed for dr ratio.
My question kind of is, even with my mediocre account, i should at least be able to clear most of the endgame right? Maybe not max rewards but almost all of it except the last stage should be doable right? But here i am only clearing half of pure fiction when it resets, same for the new boss mode, i cant even get max stars at floor 9/10 most of the time. What can i even do at this point?
And then there are people like iyo saying powerceep isn't real... I used to able to clear floor 12 when the game was a few months old, didnt get the full stars but i did managed to clear it. What happened now then? did my characters get a cold or something ? its very obvious, the content is getting harder, while the gimmicks for each game mod are getting more personalized for the new characters.
At least try to see why I'm saying I'm feeling powercreep for my account, insted for writing it off as a statement that powercreep doesn't exist. Just because powercreep doesn't exist for your account doesn't mean I'm not feeling it in my account.
sorry for the rant. i just wanted to get this off my chest as this has been bothering me for some time.
How far did you invest to your units and what are the teams you used of it's okay with you ? I'm curious 😅
my main problem is that nowadays it feels like ur not getting whole value from pulling new charas
-Firefly's E1 is so qol it feels like u literally get only 50% of chara if u have her at e0
-Acheron without her LC and GNSW is 24%
-difference between Boothill's cope cone and LC is 24%
and it seems like future charas are also at least e0s1 or even e1-e2s1
it feels really bad for f2p spenders and I'm literally starting to think about just getting dupes for current charas instead of chasing new ones
I've felt the same way for a while now. The powercreep in this game is insane and far worse then genshin in my opinion
I think the way Genshin gets around that is that the damage is more so focused on the elemental reaction than anything else, so as long as you get hyperbloom you're most of the way there, but I've been out of the loop for a while so I could be way off. I remember Ganyu and Hu Tao being 2 of the best units for the longest time tho
@JMulls that's a good point genshin has elemental reactions while hsr doesn't and elemental reactions do most of the damage In genshin
@@softnoobgirl73 that's because we haven't gotten any combat content in Genshin till the recent theatre. Even then theater is more of a test of the quantity of characters you own than quality. you can clear the abyss pretty easily with 4-star teams, so brute forcing with units that the current abyss doesn't favour is easier.
Also, Genshin gives the player more control(stuff like hutao cancels, aim shot cancels, or for the cracked gamers Dstrikes) while Star Rail being turn turn-based game is more stat-checking/RNG-reliant in general. However, the content difficulty of Star Rail still has yet to eclipse Seele. Stuff like PF is designed for erudition characters since they are literally worthless in normal content due to the theme of erudition being AOE, superbreak rn seems like the HSR version of Hyperbloom being a very easily investable team that has very good premium drivers but any character that can stack BE will do. Idk why anyone was surprised that HSR will favour newly released characters when Abyss Blessings has always favoured new characters.
I dropped HSR after 2.2 dialog diarrhea. HSR my first gacha game i played for over 30 minutes. The way they tell story in these gacha games is just not for me,. I enjoyed it but I was just playing for gameplay at where I was( In graduate school). did not really like exploring because the rewards are just exp and pull currencies. I had very 2 strong built teams and spent 60 bucks on the battle pass and express pass . I played over 200 hours . got my moneys worth and do not regret it. The grind starts to get boring imo. I never got the jades from gold and gears because of the grind was just too much
I think gacha games may just not be for you tbh, they're all like how you describe your gripes with them and will probably stay that way
@@NitroticYT yep what I said. Sticking to premium priced games