I agree with Joel Klatt, the more you know about football, the more you understand how little this impacted the game and the less you know about football, the more you inflate the impact of Connor Stallions.
That's the problem. People think they know football, but actually don't. I'm just glad it was uncovered before Penn State, Ohio State, Iowa, Alabama and Washington so that these teams don't have an excuse. LOL
Two of my very favorite sports analysts there. You guys always make sense whether I agree with you or not. You are treasures and very much missed on broadcast T.V. Instead we have to endure nasty debates between persons that know no more than a third of what you two guys do!
Funny Dan never mentions OSU being investigated for offering to share Maryland's practice video with SMU. Or, the OSU players are being given unauthorized access to all of the other BIG 10 teams' practice videos. You only hear about Michigan...wonder if the NCAA has anything to do with that?
There's so much out there that is never reported. This alleged violation -- and the evidence so far is lacking -- is the equivalent of being one of ten cards going 20 MPH over the speed limit and you being the only one stopped by the cops. Funny how nobody calls Georgia cheaters even though most people close to and in college football know that Kirby Smart bought those teams pre-NIL. Somehow, paying for better players does not result in Georgia being called "cheaters" but sign stealing by Michigan (which is legal) makes them "cheaters."
Can confirm that Georgia recruiting does not follow the rules, neither pre NIL or current. Check out recruitment of Isaiah Wilson-don’t have first hand knowledge of that one, but there is lots and lots of smoke around that one. I do have first hand of knowledge of another however. Also, Rashan Gary was offered 200k by Clemson-google Jim Hackett (U of M AD at the time) and Rashan
MANY OTHER BIG10 teams have "friendly" contact inside the NCAA offices and they are USING them to literally make up "violation investigations" in order to motivate Jim to leave UM. They don't like getting their asses KICKED.
NCAA is such a humble organization that they only have enough resources to invest one team at a time. They too busy working hard to get scholarships to student athletes 😂
What a huge 🧢 that Dan has no allegiance, this is why Rich is the man he let us know his passion for Michigan and Yankees baseball and owns his allegiance
Rich Eisen using a Patrick Roy quote!? Go Avs Also Rich, it was "I couldn't hear what Jeremy Roenick was saying because I have 2* Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears"
Back n da day when "the big show aka sports center" with Dan & Keith was no miss TV. ESPN executives ruined the greatest sports cast in history. Those 2 were magic.
Listening to Rich Eisen try to justify Michigan cheating was sad - because you can’t point to plays where the cheating helped the team somehow makes the cheating less wrong is ridiculous. I expected more from him. Once again, Dan’s professionalism really came through. Go Dan!
Michigan / Harbaugh were targeted by the NCAA due to the fact that Harbaugh is a proponent for revenue sharing of which the NCAA is opposed...that's how all these BS controversies came about...had Harbaugh shut up about revenue sharing and went along with the NCAA none of those allegations would have ever been brought up...the NCAA hates Harbaugh...Period!!!
Describe the cheating. Pinpoint the rule that was broken and what part of that rule was broken. Explain how it was broken and specify the evidence demonstrating that it was broken. And once you do that, show us how Michigan benefitted and how what is, at worst, a Level 4 violation is one that must lead to the "cheaters" nonsense. If you need to yell "cheaters" you think like a 5-year-old. You got nothing.
@@gmh471 So Harbaugh sat out 3 games for nothing. Then, he refused to go under oath with the Big10 for nothing. They cheated. Period. Their championship is forever tainted. Period.
@@gmh471 Exactly. At the end of the day, folks can cry all they want. And for the record, he sat out those final games because the commissioner was a coward. Instead of doing a thorough investigation, etc., he cowered to the other coaches. If the Big Ten's investigation was completed at the same time as the NCAA's, and then the penalty/suspension was issued, that would have been the way to go.
@@billsimpson3437 Got it. Ya got nothing. You're obviously lazy and not smart enough to know that if you need to end your argument with "Period," your argument is week. Oh, and Harbaugh didn't refuse to go under oath. Rule in life -- never try to make an argument unless you know what you are talking about. I'm done with you.
That's crazy not to have internet, but the NFL is pure greed. To have paid streaming services air the games and then still have 90 commercial breaks baffles me
Uh, the president of the NCAA just came out and said Michigan won it fair and square. So there will be no asterisks to add. So talk about how great Michigan was and move on with your lives!
This Michigan team will always be seen as the champions, period. None of us looks back at USC's back to back titles when Reggie Bush was getting paid & thinks someone else won even though their titles were vacated... this will be the same thing _if_ Michigan's title eventually gets vacated & that's a big if
How about a compromise. UM cheated during the cupcake schedule and beat the heck out of the tough teams and won the title in the playoffs. So how about 8-0 undefeated. Does a season where they Beat PSU on the road, OSU at home, Maryland on the road, Iowa in the Big Ten title game, Bama and Wash on neutral site. Is this enough to claim a title? Think about it. OSU, Bama, Iowa, Maryland, Wash, PSU were ALL bowl teams. 3 of those teams were in their conference title game. 2 of them (Bama and Wash) beat Georgia who won the OB (albeit up against FSU who wasn't at full strength) and Washington who beat Texas and Oregon, who also won their bowl game. Seems to me like a formidable schedule. Your thoughts? Final Rankings 1. Michigan 2. Washington 3. Texas. 4. Georgia 5. Alabama 6. Oregon 6. FSU 8. Missouri 9. Ole Miss 10. Ohio State So by my calculations, UM still needs to beat Missouri and Ole Miss make it legitimate. :)
Dan, have been watching you for yrs & went to EKU the same time of your short stint there. And you are way off base with your criticism of Michigan with no proof that Harbaugh knew it was going on & if this benefited the team at all! Harbaugh had a reset after the "pandemic". He knew he had to change the way he was running the program. He hired younger coaches & changed his approach! Come on man, get off the tainted season crap!
Deflategate made little difference. The constant cheating by Belicheat i.e. Spygate, headsets randomly not working, terrible conditions in the visiting locker room and fans constantly setting off fire alarms in the visiting teams hotel, plus the million other things that have never been brought up or caught made way more of an impact.
Michigan did not win the championship by "cheating". They played all their toughest games AFTER the allegations came out and the main culprit was fired.
I'll never understand the idea that it's not cheating if you don't perform demonstrably better than some intangible goal post measurement. Some people cheat and suck at it. You don't fire members of your coaching staff and get suspended from games because you did nothing wrong
What a crap argument Eisen makes about Michigan sign stealing “probably making no difference” and “it’s unusable video”. If all that was true, then Conner Stallions would’ve been cut loose the first year. Everybody tries to portray him as this hanger-on loser…Well, he sure seemed to be a frequent sideline visitor and also had the ear of Michigan coordinators for years. Having said that, congrats to Michigan, you were the best team this year. I guess time will tell the final verdict.
MANY OTHER BIG10 teams have "friendly" contact inside the NCAA offices and they are USING them to literally make up "violation investigations" in order to motivate Jim to leave UM. They don't like getting their asses KICKED.
Michigan beat the best teams without cheating. What they are accused of is negligible, though if people broke the rules they should be fined or fired as appropriate.
You would think ol Dem dan would show some compassion for Rich and the Jewish people. Nope. With Dem dan it's Party before Country. And, Paycheck before friends.
The odds of Harbaugh returning to the NFL and winning s Superbowl is astronomical. He very well may return but it would be am ego move and that is all.
Stopped listening to the DP show years ago, came back as a Michigan man to hear his reaction to the National Title and its garbage. He seems pouty like a teenage girl, the man with the mannequin of Harbaugh is acting like a brainless Biden voter ... Go figure
Once you admit that you would not be forgiving Ohio State in the same circumstances you lose all credibility with me. Don't defend cheating. Im sure you didn't defend USC and R Bush.
Give me a break Dan use your brain for two seconds. Anyone who knows anything about football knows how absolutely little this mattered. Get out of here.
MANY OTHER BIG10 teams have "friendly" contact inside the NCAA offices and they are USING them to literally make up "violation investigations" in order to motivate Jim to leave UM. They don't like getting their asses KICKED.
Big fan of DP. Not so much Eisen. Too woke/smarmy/yankee for my taste. BUT... I don't begrudge Michigan their natty. If you're not cheating you're not trying, and all of the top teams do the same stuff. Condolences to the Bama fans on the GOAT's retirement. Bet your money on Georgia to win it all in 2024, and maybe 3 of the next 5.
It always makes me laugh...two failed athletes sitting on the sidelines complaining and giving their opinions about something they're not even involved with...👎
Stop with such nonsense. Georgia lost to Bama. Done. That's all that matters. You have no idea one way or the other who would win that game, but using one's sense of reason based on what we have seen, Michigan is AT WORST the equal of Georgia, but more likely than not would win that game. Stop with such silliness. You know where Georgia's team was on Monday night? Sitting home eating snow cones.
Dan, thanks for having Champion Rich Eisen on the show! What a pleasure.
my 2 favorite sports guys, miss these two being together on SportsCenter 🙏🏼
back when ESPN was actually good. now it's just Pat McAfee wearing a wife beater and screaming into the mic
Hard to even believe how good ESPN used to be
When I was little, I thought i needed to grow up and watch the news...so Id watch these two on ESPN.
Love these two!
I agree with Joel Klatt, the more you know about football, the more you understand how little this impacted the game and the less you know about football, the more you inflate the impact of Connor Stallions.
That's the problem. People think they know football, but actually don't. I'm just glad it was uncovered before Penn State, Ohio State, Iowa, Alabama and Washington so that these teams don't have an excuse. LOL
You're a typical dude who thinks he knows a lot about the game when you're just a fan lolol
@@jarlwhiterun7478 We're all fans dude....unless this is Ryan Day's burner account.
@@slyde734People who excuse cheating don't remember 🤪 when the NFL fined and took picks away from belicheck for stealing signs.
TWO of the BEST!!! Thank you both:)
Champion Rich Eisen is the best!
Respect Rich’s passion for his school. That’s what cfb is all about #GoNoles
Great segment!
I've been waiting!!!!!
Two of my very favorite sports analysts there. You guys always make sense whether I agree with you or not. You are treasures and very much missed on broadcast T.V. Instead we have to endure nasty debates between persons that know no more than a third of what you two guys do!
Love the hockey reference! "I can't hear you with a ring in my ear." Patrick Roy, the greatest NHL playoff goaltender ever.
13:33 love that little friendly jab.😅😂😂
Dan almost being amusing 😂
Did Rich play in the game ?
He says we a lot
I myself believe both Alumni and former players can say "We". Anybody over the age of 21 who was not in those categories shouldn't.
When you get to know these 2 well enough to know when they are using sarcasm it's like being in on the joke
Ohio State will aways complain about every thing. They are intimidated by all things Michigan. Wah Wah Wah
BS Dan you’re a Buckeye fan through and through.
All of OSU titles are tainted. The NCAA hasn't done anything about their cheating. We live in that reality.
There is no cheering in the press box with Dan lol
Yeah, because he has credibility
Holy Sh*t, here's DP and Rich sitting at their desks, opposite each other,, DIVINE....
Divine*
@@jarlwhiterun7478 thanks😳
Exactly Rich......Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong, and Mark McGwire completely agree with your assessment....no asterisks!! #MichiganManifestoRulesAll
I love Dan Patrick so much.
Funny Dan never mentions OSU being investigated for offering to share Maryland's practice video with SMU. Or, the OSU players are being given unauthorized access to all of the other BIG 10 teams' practice videos. You only hear about Michigan...wonder if the NCAA has anything to do with that?
There's so much out there that is never reported. This alleged violation -- and the evidence so far is lacking -- is the equivalent of being one of ten cards going 20 MPH over the speed limit and you being the only one stopped by the cops. Funny how nobody calls Georgia cheaters even though most people close to and in college football know that Kirby Smart bought those teams pre-NIL. Somehow, paying for better players does not result in Georgia being called "cheaters" but sign stealing by Michigan (which is legal) makes them "cheaters."
Can confirm that Georgia recruiting does not follow the rules, neither pre NIL or current. Check out recruitment of Isaiah Wilson-don’t have first hand knowledge of that one, but there is lots and lots of smoke around that one. I do have first hand of knowledge of another however. Also, Rashan Gary was offered 200k by Clemson-google Jim Hackett (U of M AD at the time) and Rashan
MANY OTHER BIG10 teams have "friendly" contact inside the NCAA offices and they are USING them to literally make up "violation investigations" in order to motivate Jim to leave UM. They don't like getting their asses KICKED.
NCAA is such a humble organization that they only have enough resources to invest one team at a time. They too busy working hard to get scholarships to student athletes 😂
Deflect much? You sound like a Republican
What a huge 🧢 that Dan has no allegiance, this is why Rich is the man he let us know his passion for Michigan and Yankees baseball and owns his allegiance
Rich Eisen using a Patrick Roy quote!? Go Avs
Also Rich, it was "I couldn't hear what Jeremy Roenick was saying because I have 2* Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears"
Jim is not leaving!
Too funny thank you
10:19 Dan doesn't know from where the 7% bump in NFL audience comes....
Answer: Swifties...
Rich Eisen should go back and look at his commentary during the Astros cheating scandal...
He's not an Astro fan. I feel like the Astros won and Barry Bonds should be in the Hall of Fame.
When you are biased. You dont care for your takes in the past. Past takes dont exists
That was during the playoffs and World Series
Back n da day when "the big show aka sports center" with Dan & Keith was no miss TV. ESPN executives ruined the greatest sports cast in history. Those 2 were magic.
Every school steals signs
Vanderbilt doesn’t
Yes!
😂😂😂😂 heavy flex… “it didn’t change my life when I won….” 😂
Rich Eisen: Zero credibility
"it's called being a journalist." Absolutely amazing.
Exactly. I love Rich, but he’s being a giant hypocrite.
Has he done a show with the goat Tom Brady yet? I’d like to tune into that.
Go Blue!
Listening to Rich Eisen try to justify Michigan cheating was sad - because you can’t point to plays where the cheating helped the team somehow makes the cheating less wrong is ridiculous. I expected more from him. Once again, Dan’s professionalism really came through. Go Dan!
Michigan / Harbaugh were targeted by the NCAA due to the fact that Harbaugh is a proponent for revenue sharing of which the NCAA is opposed...that's how all these BS controversies came about...had Harbaugh shut up about revenue sharing and went along with the NCAA none of those allegations would have ever been brought up...the NCAA hates Harbaugh...Period!!!
Describe the cheating. Pinpoint the rule that was broken and what part of that rule was broken. Explain how it was broken and specify the evidence demonstrating that it was broken. And once you do that, show us how Michigan benefitted and how what is, at worst, a Level 4 violation is one that must lead to the "cheaters" nonsense. If you need to yell "cheaters" you think like a 5-year-old. You got nothing.
@@gmh471 So Harbaugh sat out 3 games for nothing. Then, he refused to go under oath with the Big10 for nothing. They cheated. Period. Their championship is forever tainted. Period.
@@gmh471 Exactly. At the end of the day, folks can cry all they want. And for the record, he sat out those final games because the commissioner was a coward. Instead of doing a thorough investigation, etc., he cowered to the other coaches. If the Big Ten's investigation was completed at the same time as the NCAA's, and then the penalty/suspension was issued, that would have been the way to go.
@@billsimpson3437 Got it. Ya got nothing. You're obviously lazy and not smart enough to know that if you need to end your argument with "Period," your argument is week. Oh, and Harbaugh didn't refuse to go under oath. Rule in life -- never try to make an argument unless you know what you are talking about. I'm done with you.
Some of us don't have access to cable or the internet so the nfl has said f you. Money is really what it's about.
That's crazy not to have internet, but the NFL is pure greed. To have paid streaming services air the games and then still have 90 commercial breaks baffles me
Uh, the president of the NCAA just came out and said Michigan won it fair and square. So there will be no asterisks to add. So talk about how great Michigan was and move on with your lives!
@5:18, is there a taint? LOL
Two guys that can disagree without being disagreeable, is this even normal anymore?
This Michigan team will always be seen as the champions, period. None of us looks back at USC's back to back titles when Reggie Bush was getting paid & thinks someone else won even though their titles were vacated... this will be the same thing _if_ Michigan's title eventually gets vacated & that's a big if
If they pass the eye test and win the big game, they're champs.
GO BLUE!!
How about a compromise. UM cheated during the cupcake schedule and beat the heck out of the tough teams and won the title in the playoffs.
So how about 8-0 undefeated. Does a season where they Beat PSU on the road, OSU at home, Maryland on the road, Iowa in the Big Ten title game, Bama and Wash on neutral site. Is this enough to claim a title?
Think about it. OSU, Bama, Iowa, Maryland, Wash, PSU were ALL bowl teams. 3 of those teams were in their conference title game. 2 of them (Bama and Wash) beat Georgia who won the OB (albeit up against FSU who wasn't at full strength) and Washington who beat Texas and Oregon, who also won their bowl game.
Seems to me like a formidable schedule. Your thoughts?
Final Rankings
1. Michigan
2. Washington
3. Texas.
4. Georgia
5. Alabama
6. Oregon
6. FSU
8. Missouri
9. Ole Miss
10. Ohio State
So by my calculations, UM still needs to beat Missouri and Ole Miss make it legitimate. :)
Great point, yes, we cheated to beat Bowling Green, didn’t have a chance against them without their signs😂
"C'mon man, seriously" Rich putting DP in a corner a bit...
Dan Patrick a journalist! LOL
Hey Rich, ask Dan about the whole Mike Tirico SUSPENSION at Espn. See how funny that is.
What’s amazing is that Rich is great, but Dan actually makes him look/sound like an amateur for 16 minutes. No knock on Rich… but Dan is THAT good.
WE'RE SO BACK!!!
Dan, have been watching you for yrs & went to EKU the same time of your short stint there. And you are way off base with your criticism of Michigan with no proof that Harbaugh knew it was going on & if this benefited the team at all! Harbaugh had a reset after the "pandemic". He knew he had to change the way he was running the program. He hired younger coaches & changed his approach! Come on man, get off the tainted season crap!
People say Brady is the GOAT and I don't hear anything more about deflate gate.
Deflategate made little difference. The constant cheating by Belicheat i.e. Spygate, headsets randomly not working, terrible conditions in the visiting locker room and fans constantly setting off fire alarms in the visiting teams hotel, plus the million other things that have never been brought up or caught made way more of an impact.
Champion Rich is still Jets-Lovin' Rich! lmao
Nice of Rich Eisen to stop licking Deion Sanders' boots long enough to visit with DP.
Michigan did not win the championship by "cheating". They played all their toughest games AFTER the allegations came out and the main culprit was fired.
I'll never understand the idea that it's not cheating if you don't perform demonstrably better than some intangible goal post measurement. Some people cheat and suck at it. You don't fire members of your coaching staff and get suspended from games because you did nothing wrong
In NCAA you do. People on the inside say it's literally impossible to steal signs. It's like trying to sweep all the sand off the beach
"That banner will Always fly in Michigan Stadium".... Hell Yeah!! \m/
really didnt they remove the fab 5 banners
@@timduncan5572 yes they did but now they’re thinking of putting them back up again.
Richigan Eisen
RICH EISEN !!! GO BLUE !!! Dan Patrick QUOTE " I HATE MICHIGAN ". Well Dan i have a question? WHO HAS IT BETTER THAN MICHIGAN? NOOOOOOOOO BODY !!!
I look at the severity of the cheating. And stealing signs is on the bottom of the list.
Level 4 violation. There is one documented case and the assistant who offended was benched for one-half. This is all a media driven joke.
Cheating is cheating. Soon on probation.
Why does it matter if the cheating was successful or not?
I thought these were the same people for most of my life
What a crap argument Eisen makes about Michigan sign stealing “probably making no difference” and “it’s unusable video”. If all that was true, then Conner Stallions would’ve been cut loose the first year. Everybody tries to portray him as this hanger-on loser…Well, he sure seemed to be a frequent sideline visitor and also had the ear of Michigan coordinators for years.
Having said that, congrats to Michigan, you were the best team this year. I guess time will tell the final verdict.
Imagine thinking you made good points here. Amazing.
@@dcsoda1 imagine thinking anyone gives a shit what you think
MANY OTHER BIG10 teams have "friendly" contact inside the NCAA offices and they are USING them to literally make up "violation investigations" in order to motivate Jim to leave UM. They don't like getting their asses KICKED.
@@flydawg7784 I dunno you replied bud.
Two buddies shooting the breeze. o
Michigan beat the best teams without cheating. What they are accused of is negligible, though if people broke the rules they should be fined or fired as appropriate.
I have never heard of these people who the heck are they
You would think ol Dem dan would show some compassion for Rich and the Jewish people. Nope. With Dem dan it's Party before Country. And, Paycheck before friends.
Banner and a ring…..for now 😂
Rich “Common Sense Laws” Eisen.
The odds of Harbaugh returning to the NFL and winning s Superbowl is astronomical. He very well may return but it would be am ego move and that is all.
Your comment is an ego move.
Not used to being the villain? You're a Yankee fan, Rich.
Dan's love for the Buckeyes definitely skew how he sees things so I am not sure what game he is trying to play.
Rich. Are you going to comment on Dem dan's take on mikey tirico's Suspension at espn for Sexual Harrassment.
This is the only time I’ve thought rich is unlikeable.
Working for peacock who are screwing the football fan to pay to watch the dolphins and chiefs, talk about that chief !
At least rich is honest about it, bc yea if this would osu he would be up in arms
@14:07 is total BS. dan loves him some lakers.
Stopped listening to the DP show years ago, came back as a Michigan man to hear his reaction to the National Title and its garbage. He seems pouty like a teenage girl, the man with the mannequin of Harbaugh is acting like a brainless Biden voter ... Go figure
Way to bring stupid politics into a sports show. 🖕
@@Vic-Vega go vote for Biden sissy
Today Dan, you were a C… to a great friend of yours. Shame!
Eisen deserves Michigan…they both are awful
Once you admit that you would not be forgiving Ohio State in the same circumstances you lose all credibility with me. Don't defend cheating. Im sure you didn't defend USC and R Bush.
No matter how you slice it, nothing they are discussing is relevant
Irrelevant*
@@jarlwhiterun7478 Nope
Dan sucks for hating on Michigan. Just my opinion like his. Not worth much in the long run.
Stop giving Dan Patrick your time, Rich. He's an absolute hater who is obviously not interested in actually familiarizing himself with the facts.
Aside of Rich Eisen and I haven’t seen before. I don’t like this the show is far better than Eisen
Give me a break Dan use your brain for two seconds. Anyone who knows anything about football knows how absolutely little this mattered. Get out of here.
Rich you are deflecting. You got blinders to your own cheating.
Great...
Two old sportcenter guys who think they are A-list celebrities
And then Rich puts it to DP!!😊
Rich loses another one.
Dan Patrick is such a bad giver of sports opinions, lol.
Rich is saying the Michigan guy may have cheated but he was incompetent? ... And even if he was competent, it made no difference. Stop it.
MANY OTHER BIG10 teams have "friendly" contact inside the NCAA offices and they are USING them to literally make up "violation investigations" in order to motivate Jim to leave UM. They don't like getting their asses KICKED.
DP BS
Sycophant Rich
College football, blah blah blah blah.
What exactly is that egotistical self-serving intro bullsht?
Big fan of DP. Not so much Eisen. Too woke/smarmy/yankee for my taste. BUT... I don't begrudge Michigan their natty. If you're not cheating you're not trying, and all of the top teams do the same stuff. Condolences to the Bama fans on the GOAT's retirement. Bet your money on Georgia to win it all in 2024, and maybe 3 of the next 5.
Mercedes-Benz logo on the shill guest.... tarnished
How they supposed to get paid without corporate sponsorship? UA-cam doesn't pay that much. Do they?
@@juzsayin1172They're on Peacock.
It always makes me laugh...two failed athletes sitting on the sidelines complaining and giving their opinions about something they're not even involved with...👎
Then why are you here??
Georgia would of beat Michigan bad,
Then Georgia should have beaten Alabama. It’s alright, Michigan did that for ya. Go Blue!
Stop with such nonsense. Georgia lost to Bama. Done. That's all that matters.
You have no idea one way or the other who would win that game, but using one's sense of reason based on what we have seen, Michigan is AT WORST the equal of Georgia, but more likely than not would win that game. Stop with such silliness. You know where Georgia's team was on Monday night? Sitting home eating snow cones.
@@gmh471That won't be the case next season. Enjoy your flukey title, you won't be seeing another one for 20+ years!!! 💯
@@Vic-Vega What are you, five years old?
I've never heard eisen , another expert of Jewish Ascent, over enunciate so profusely...what a fairy...👎
Go Blue!
Go Blue!