Curious to see how it works in low light (I'm not looking for FX6 levels, just how flexible it can be.) That said, I rarely use anything other than 800 ISO on my FX6, as I light everything.
I'd be interested in seeing how it performs in Super35 cropped modes. With that much resolution the camera should be a good candidate for mixing FF and S35 glass. And how 8K and 4K footage compares to 12k in terms of the scaling quality, especially compared to conventional Bayer pattern sensors. I'm a Sony guy but the 12K is intriguing to me. I wouldn't really shoot 12K with it, probably, but 8K and 4K (no 6K?) would be interesting. Also, how lenses which are typical for BMD camera users (DZOs, Nisi, IRIX, maybe one or two zooms) perform at 12K at different apertures, just to get an understanding of what a camera like this demands from the glass in front of the sensor.
Rolling shutter test in all resolutions, low light test, lens mount options, file sizes, all codecs, all shooting resolutions, internal ND?, Audio, connections, HDMI? Thanks
Id like to see what the real useable DR is at the different resolutions and bitrates, what the low-light is at the different resolutions and bitrates, how the high frame rates behave in low-light in the different resolutions and bitrates and if it has a s35mm mode and if so, what can you shoot in that? Also check for IR pollution or any quirks. It does look like a very promising camera. It's a bit of an exhausting test list, but I would do it myself if I had the camera, as I've been caught out on other cameras shooting 50fps in low light and the image falls apart - it's useful to know how far you can push a camera. In other words, if I want to shoot low-light at say, 100fps, would I get better results at the highest bitrate, or there is no difference (it's hard to imagine lower bitrates won't affect it it, but you never know). I forgot to add also at what ISO does it work best at in low light and bright lights, though I suppose other people will do these tests along the line.
Same. We filmed that quite early one, and it really took me by surprise how well the camera did. Theres nothing quite like seeing the impact of DR like that in a real world situation.
Meh it noticeably had a lot of fill light inside the barn from another large front lit door off camera right. My hands on impressions on the 12k at a trade show showed it had good DR but nothing that special for a modern camera
The footage looks great, but that shot doesn't look like anything that any modern Blackmagic or even most mirrorless cameras couldn't handle. Like noahyv said, there's clearly fill light coming from a door camera right (you can see the light on the ground as the camera tilts down). I know I've shot scenes with far more dynamic range in them with the BMPCC4K and no artificial lighting and I had no problem at all. Some ETTR and making sure not to clip highlights and probably any modern camera would be fine for that scene.
this might become my new beast. Blackmagic really defines itself for the freelance cameraman who needs a device that works great, fast, easy (especially when you're alone) and finally gives enough tools that studios or ENG facilities want when you're asked for a job. And all of this for a great price. If you compare this to ARRI, you need 10 times the money
This is the most expensive camera which Blackmagic have released so far (until the upcoming 17K 65 that is..). Yet it still offers so much value for money.
This sensor in a slightly smaller body meant for solo operators (ie no extra side screen) for under $10K would absolutely crush. Really looking to seeing more in depth tests comparing the image to other cameras
A refreshed 8K oriented Ursa Mini design with CFExpress B only and standard v-mount support for say $5900 might be a great option. Same sensor, but with a lower power draw so have limited 12k frame rates. There’s a LOT of room between the Pyxis and the new 12k. So maybe by NAB next year we will see what else they have up their sleeves.
That dynamic range! Coupled with Blackmagic color🤯 When blackmagic said it’s 16stops, I knew it’s gonna be crazy good. Since I’ve found that 13stops in blackmagic term is already like 15+stops in many other manufacturers’.
It would be nice for you to discuss the heat the camera generates and how hot the body itself can get. It’s an amazing camera but it does put off more heat than I’ve experienced with others. Would be nice to reassure consumers that it’s a normal occurrence.
Wow. I work with digital video cameras every day, and am very familiar with the market. I've not been blown away by footage like this in a long time. Truly beautiful images. A lot of credit to whomever operated the camera as well. Great shots are impossible without a great shooter. I can't believe this is available for less than $20K. Blackmagic truly push the boundaries.
I literally cannot wait for you guys to try out the 17K. This already feels unreal with that walking shot 0:31 Not so much excitement about the resolution but a medium format sensor with blackmagic colours is gonna be a game changer. Imagine renting 65mm sensor for a short film
I really wish they'd make a third camera that sits between the 12K LF and the Pyxis. As an URSA Mini G2 owner, getting a Full Frame 8K + XLRs + NDs would be more than enough and would close the gap between the 12K LF and the Pyxis.
I remember local production houses and their Red footage looking butter. Then BMC came out with the Production 2.7 and then 4k with global shutter for $2000. Red still had better color at the time, but BMC is advancing to incredible levels. I use the Pocket 6k and for the solo freelance its incredible. The prices are insanely good as well.
Impressive indeed. The footage looks very organic with great colour science. Amazing value - wonder what a Sony or Red would cost to have the same features.
The issue I have with the media module is on most productions you want to be constantly offloading cards so the DIT can be make backups, creating dailies and doing temp grades throughout the day. Being able to shoot a full day on one media drive sounds nice but means the DIT is probably going to be up until 3 in the morning. I heard Blackmagic may be releasing a CF card module which goes into that place and would be a good alternative I think.
Second this. In Canada we find ourselves in a variety of “harsh” conditions and if this camera has anywhere near the arri reliability I could see it being used more often on larger sets.
Appreciate the video. I'm looking forward to the more in-depth video. I love your guys' videos. I'm thinking about getting the URSA Cine 12K LF as my flagship camera just need to figure out what the best B-cam would be that I can use as a minimal, smaller camera from action shots.
I’d love to see a comparison against the Raptor X for example, in terms of DR and such, I know the read out is different because of the raptor x GS sensor but still the other aspects of the workflow and usability of the cameras would be nice to see, because as a RED user, I know and like BRaw but R3D is vastly superior, so the price of the ursa and all its features against the advantages of a Raptor x is an interesting fight. Great video and looking forward for the full review !
Amazing camera ❤ and for the price one can future proof themselves for years to come instead of buying a used Venice 1 or Alexa Mini LF. My only concern is that regardless of how amazing the Blackmagic image looks, in higher end productions you don’t often hear requests for Blackmagic cameras. So unless you have more influence over camera decisions or you don’t have to deal with requests for certain cameras, make sure the investment will be financially worth it 😅
It seems that this sensor can render green colors much better than the the usual muted brown greens we usually see from Blackmagic Design. Anyone else notice this? I think that is one of the reasons I find these images so pleasing.
Love this video kudos. Since there's a huge amount of confusion with 12bit log being effectively 16 bit linear, could you put into the next video that clarification? Most don't know that the Blackmagic raw files, unpacked, is 16 bit linear as well. Thank you!
Competition is really heating up in the $5000-$8000 camera segment with the new C80/C400 and Komodo x price drop. I am hoping by NAB Blackmagic Design puts this sensor in the Pyxis body with ND filters. Sacrifice some of the higher frame rates, extra monitor, and a few other features and sell it for $7000-$8000.
This sensor, even if you sacrifice some of the higher frame rates, needs a lot of cooling. That's explains the size of the Cine 12K, they probably couldn't make it smaller. Pyxis body size is just too small for this type of sensor and processing. You need new developments in hardware tech to get this type of performance in a small body.
I would love to see the RGBW tech inside a small camera like the Pyxis. Hopefully over the next few years we will. However the cooling and media are a huge part of what makes this camera able to do what it does. That’s far too much to put inside the Pyxis as it is.
@@phrasalsyntax Your logic regarding possible cooling problems makes sense. I am guessing that higher frame rates create more heat. Will shooting at 8k or 4k produce less heat as well? If so, just make it an 8k up to 60p, 4k up to 120p and 12k up to 30p. And if that is to much, just drop the 12k option. Unless BMD is leaving a place to drop the price by $4000 like it did with the previous camera, there is a large enough gap in its camera lineup to place a scaled down version of this camera for solo operators.
@@davidwendt3613 yes, but remember that the sensor read out speed is extremely fast and that generates a lot of heat in itself. And don't forget that the (8K and 4K is down-sampled from the 12K (full width of the sensor) meaning that it still requires initial 12K processing (8K and 4K only help with file size). That's why I think in order to get this performance in terms of IQ and high frame rates in a small package we still need some new developments in sensor hardware/processing/cooling tech, you maybe can't do it with the same architecture.
@@phrasalsyntax Thanks for taking the time to explain the cooling/camera size relation in more detail. Someone further down posted that the camera runs hot in its current form, so making it smaller would multiply that problem.
Blackmagic design actually revealed their new ursa cine lines all have undocumented 16 bit raw color bit depth. even the ursa min 12k which explains the rich and beautiful color science... just adding
I feel like more video cameras should implement rgbw sensors. I understand the benefit of rgb for hybrid cameras, but I just can’t think of any reason rgbw wouldn’t be flat out better for video only cameras. Would love to hear any reasons against rgbw
I'm no sensor engineer. But there will be a reason that no one other than Blackmagic has done it yet. The original UMP 12K had less dynamic range than the UMP 4.6K, it suffered from noisy images when cropped in, and aliasing problems especially on the 8K and 4K. None of those problems here! Blackmagic really seem to have cracked the formula with this sensor.
@@carlyates2487 makes sense, and then I could also imagine that the inability/lack of desire, for other companies to implement a raw workflow to make it work also explains other companies decisions. I’m pretty sure blackmagic said they could only make this work with braw. Regardless, I’d like to see at least some innovation from other companies. Sensor technology has grown so stale
What a fantastic camera. For perspective, a 1TB card for the Alexa Mini LF is $1,500. You get an 8TB Card with this Ursa at $15K. An Alexa Mini LF is $75K+ Body only.
I wish BM would take their RGBW tech and put it in a Pyxis (or even Pocket) style camera. I think it's clearly one of the reasons their readout speeds are so fast on both this camera and the Super 35 12K, and rolling shutter has always been a pretty sore spot for BM cameras (the 6K FF Cine and Pyxis are like 25-26ms in open-gate, which is abysmal). I mean, even if they just took this same sensor, put it in a Pyxis body, and artificially limited it to 8K or lower capture, that'd be awesome. I wouldn't mind seeing them do the same with the S35 12K sensor, because I do love the Super 35 format, and it could be priced a little more cheaply.
Astonishing specs. If Blackmagic have also stepped up in terms of reliability (the single thing after poor battery performance) that has kept me from investing in BM cameras, then this will take serious consideration for my next purchase.
Love this camera and I’m looking forward to buying one soon. NOTE; when ARRI coined the term Large Format (LF) they said it was bc the Alexa LF sensors was LARGER than Full Frame. So that means this URSA CINE 12K is NOT an LF (Large Format) camera. It’s simply FULL FRAME (FF). Nonetheless an awesome camera. Thanks for the video!
in cinematography LF is usually refer to anything bigger then Super 35 since that sensor size was the de facto standard for the film industry, so that mean FF sensors are called LF while in photography that term is usually reserved for anything bigger than medium format aka actual large format
@@ali_alamiI tried to reply with an old video with Mark at Arri talking about why they use the term LF as a way to differentiate their sensor from FF sensors but it appears UA-cam doesn’t like when we post url
@mrshaheedmalik Oh, no.I know, my bad wording. And the specs sound great. I just don t know if we have projects to cover that investment, close to 20.000 all around.
@@carlyates2487 Ha ha! Yes, I totally get you there. My actual dream is a 6k version in the pyxis body. Praying for Pyxis G2 (whenever it comes) t have an inhouse sensor like this but 6 or 8k. My perfect camera. But I would love one of these for that stunning image. Shame I'd have to sell the car to get one!
have you noticed any color shift when shooting 12k vs 8k? the URSA Mini Pro 12k had an issue when the color looked different when shooting in 8k/4k vs 12k.
It's a fantastic camera, but if BM could just put this new sensor in a slightly smaller and lighter body approx 2kg, instead of the 3.9kg this weighs, and compromise some of the features like 12K high frame rate and the side screen, they would knock it out of the stadium and I and so many more solo operaters would buy this, even at a not much reduced price point
This camera needs a lot of cooling and the very fast media module to do what it does. Neither of which will fit inside the Pyxis right now. I'd love to see a less powerful version of this RGBW sensor make it into a pyxis shape camera though!
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What would people like to see us cover in the upcoming in depth video?
Curious to see how it works in low light (I'm not looking for FX6 levels, just how flexible it can be.) That said, I rarely use anything other than 800 ISO on my FX6, as I light everything.
I'd be interested in seeing how it performs in Super35 cropped modes. With that much resolution the camera should be a good candidate for mixing FF and S35 glass. And how 8K and 4K footage compares to 12k in terms of the scaling quality, especially compared to conventional Bayer pattern sensors. I'm a Sony guy but the 12K is intriguing to me. I wouldn't really shoot 12K with it, probably, but 8K and 4K (no 6K?) would be interesting. Also, how lenses which are typical for BMD camera users (DZOs, Nisi, IRIX, maybe one or two zooms) perform at 12K at different apertures, just to get an understanding of what a camera like this demands from the glass in front of the sensor.
Battery life
Rolling shutter test in all resolutions, low light test, lens mount options, file sizes, all codecs, all shooting resolutions, internal ND?, Audio, connections, HDMI? Thanks
Id like to see what the real useable DR is at the different resolutions and bitrates, what the low-light is at the different resolutions and bitrates, how the high frame rates behave in low-light in the different resolutions and bitrates and if it has a s35mm mode and if so, what can you shoot in that? Also check for IR pollution or any quirks. It does look like a very promising camera. It's a bit of an exhausting test list, but I would do it myself if I had the camera, as I've been caught out on other cameras shooting 50fps in low light and the image falls apart - it's useful to know how far you can push a camera. In other words, if I want to shoot low-light at say, 100fps, would I get better results at the highest bitrate, or there is no difference (it's hard to imagine lower bitrates won't affect it it, but you never know). I forgot to add also at what ISO does it work best at in low light and bright lights, though I suppose other people will do these tests along the line.
That barn shot got me with the DR performance
Same. We filmed that quite early one, and it really took me by surprise how well the camera did.
Theres nothing quite like seeing the impact of DR like that in a real world situation.
Made me "wow"
This shot makes me realise they are in for the kill with Arri ahah
Meh it noticeably had a lot of fill light inside the barn from another large front lit door off camera right. My hands on impressions on the 12k at a trade show showed it had good DR but nothing that special for a modern camera
The footage looks great, but that shot doesn't look like anything that any modern Blackmagic or even most mirrorless cameras couldn't handle. Like noahyv said, there's clearly fill light coming from a door camera right (you can see the light on the ground as the camera tilts down). I know I've shot scenes with far more dynamic range in them with the BMPCC4K and no artificial lighting and I had no problem at all. Some ETTR and making sure not to clip highlights and probably any modern camera would be fine for that scene.
this might become my new beast. Blackmagic really defines itself for the freelance cameraman who needs a device that works great, fast, easy (especially when you're alone) and finally gives enough tools that studios or ENG facilities want when you're asked for a job. And all of this for a great price. If you compare this to ARRI, you need 10 times the money
This is the most expensive camera which Blackmagic have released so far (until the upcoming 17K 65 that is..). Yet it still offers so much value for money.
I’m seriously blown away, knowing all the competition. What a milestone, well done Blackmagic, Grand Petty.
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The spider web shot is just stunning.
It shows off the detail well doesn't it.
Credit goes to my colleagues Nathaniel & Liam for that shot
The details were fireful. Loved it.
The footage looks surrreal! Incredible job on the part of BMD team!
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This sensor in a slightly smaller body meant for solo operators (ie no extra side screen) for under $10K would absolutely crush. Really looking to seeing more in depth tests comparing the image to other cameras
A refreshed 8K oriented Ursa Mini design with CFExpress B only and standard v-mount support for say $5900 might be a great option. Same sensor, but with a lower power draw so have limited 12k frame rates. There’s a LOT of room between the Pyxis and the new 12k. So maybe by NAB next year we will see what else they have up their sleeves.
Agreed, I’d love to see that.
@@carlyates2487that would be so ideal
They just announced a cheaper version (same exact body and features) without accessories for only 7k
i love the little physical switches for iso and shutter, and this is truly made for cinema
Cant believe I've watched this review 5 times already. I keep coming back to it 😅
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That dynamic range! Coupled with Blackmagic color🤯
When blackmagic said it’s 16stops, I knew it’s gonna be crazy good. Since I’ve found that 13stops in blackmagic term is already like 15+stops in many other manufacturers’.
Exactly, like I said in the video, they are usually quite conservative with their DR claims.
Great review, team! Such a beast! Can't wait to get my hands on one :)
Can't wait for the in-depth video. If the camera works as expected, things are gonna get wild.
What would you like to see us cover in that in depth video?
It would be nice for you to discuss the heat the camera generates and how hot the body itself can get. It’s an amazing camera but it does put off more heat than I’ve experienced with others. Would be nice to reassure consumers that it’s a normal occurrence.
@@carlyates2487if possible would it be possible to have the dr chart next to a arri or red?
Superb Video, as always. Can't wait for the really in depth 45 min long Version of it. 😉
Thanks! What would you like to see us cover?
Compare with the Alexa 35 👀
My jaw was on the floor with that barn shot. That DR… wow.
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Wow. I work with digital video cameras every day, and am very familiar with the market. I've not been blown away by footage like this in a long time. Truly beautiful images. A lot of credit to whomever operated the camera as well. Great shots are impossible without a great shooter. I can't believe this is available for less than $20K. Blackmagic truly push the boundaries.
Wow amazing. Can't wait for the next video.
This is quite amazing. It’s going to be a game changer no doubt about that.!!!
finally the video I have been waiting for. I can't wait for the in-depth test.
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Camera this good for that price is something I thought would never exist.
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I literally cannot wait for you guys to try out the 17K. This already feels unreal with that walking shot 0:31 Not so much excitement about the resolution but a medium format sensor with blackmagic colours is gonna be a game changer. Imagine renting 65mm sensor for a short film
I really wish they'd make a third camera that sits between the 12K LF and the Pyxis. As an URSA Mini G2 owner, getting a Full Frame 8K + XLRs + NDs would be more than enough and would close the gap between the 12K LF and the Pyxis.
Agreed. That would be a fantastic addition to their range.
Yes! And please use an RGBW sensor!!
Agree. Pyxis could have been 8k already. Mirrorless cameras will advance within a year.
phenomenal review . camera's specs are outa this world .
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Very impressive, I’m happy for Blackmagic
I remember local production houses and their Red footage looking butter. Then BMC came out with the Production 2.7 and then 4k with global shutter for $2000. Red still had better color at the time, but BMC is advancing to incredible levels. I use the Pocket 6k and for the solo freelance its incredible. The prices are insanely good as well.
Great review. Indeed a 'waaw factor'. Looking forward to the upcoming in-depth episode.
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My heart says yes, my wallet says "don't you dare even thinking about it".
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Great intro video & what an incredible system! ❤
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Impressive indeed. The footage looks very organic with great colour science. Amazing value - wonder what a Sony or Red would cost to have the same features.
Exactly!
Thanks for the video Carl
Breathtaking camera
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Lowlight, DR and recoverable over and under
This camera is insane!!!
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Nice, the camera is good too
This camera is like the deepseek ai to the camera market
The issue I have with the media module is on most productions you want to be constantly offloading cards so the DIT can be make backups, creating dailies and doing temp grades throughout the day. Being able to shoot a full day on one media drive sounds nice but means the DIT is probably going to be up until 3 in the morning. I heard Blackmagic may be releasing a CF card module which goes into that place and would be a good alternative I think.
Such a massive fan of BlackMagic! 😩🥰🥰❤️
We all are!
They are certainly an interesting company!
On paper this is amazing. If Blackmagic nails the reliability it could be a game changer for the industry
Blackmagic have got a huge amount better in recent years when it comes to QC and reliability.
Second this. In Canada we find ourselves in a variety of “harsh” conditions and if this camera has anywhere near the arri reliability I could see it being used more often on larger sets.
Appreciate the video. I'm looking forward to the more in-depth video. I love your guys' videos. I'm thinking about getting the URSA Cine 12K LF as my flagship camera just need to figure out what the best B-cam would be that I can use as a minimal, smaller camera from action shots.
There’s the Pyxis of course. If you want something with a faster shutter for action work though, perhaps the Canon C80?
@@carlyates2487 I've been checking for footage of how well the image matches the URSA Cine.
Thanks! I wasn't aware this camera was so potent. Really cool! Rooting for BMD, even if I'm currently using a sleeker R5C for personal needs.
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I’d love to see a comparison against the Raptor X for example, in terms of DR and such, I know the read out is different because of the raptor x GS sensor but still the other aspects of the workflow and usability of the cameras would be nice to see, because as a RED user, I know and like BRaw but R3D is vastly superior, so the price of the ursa and all its features against the advantages of a Raptor x is an interesting fight.
Great video and looking forward for the full review !
Noted, thanks for watching!
Great info.
Amazing camera ❤ and for the price one can future proof themselves for years to come instead of buying a used Venice 1 or Alexa Mini LF. My only concern is that regardless of how amazing the Blackmagic image looks, in higher end productions you don’t often hear requests for Blackmagic cameras. So unless you have more influence over camera decisions or you don’t have to deal with requests for certain cameras, make sure the investment will be financially worth it 😅
Yes that’s true enough. It will be interesting to see if these new Ursa Cine cameras change that
Wow, this camera is a beast!
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It seems that this sensor can render green colors much better than the the usual muted brown greens we usually see from Blackmagic Design. Anyone else notice this? I think that is one of the reasons I find these images so pleasing.
Wow. Great footage. Would be great to see one of fire as a dynamic range test
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YES !
really fantastic, great review
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They need one of these types of sensors in a Pyxis style body. Even just 4K with great readout and DR would be enough.
Absolutely, i'd love to see a RGBW sensor inside the pyxis design
You can shoot a future with this Mate!!
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This looks incredible
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I love this camera.
Thanks for watching. Your DR comparison tests have been very helpful by the way, thank you for sharing!
@@carlyates2487 Thank you for your review too
Great Video.Where is the 2nd USB-C viewfinder port as I only see the one on the front of the camera?
Please don't wait too long for the camera tests :) thank you
They are well underway! Hopefully out within a few weeks.
This camera is insane quality and it’s a fraction of the price of burano and higher but competes very well!
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This is the poor man ARRI. Love it
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Love this video kudos. Since there's a huge amount of confusion with 12bit log being effectively 16 bit linear, could you put into the next video that clarification? Most don't know that the Blackmagic raw files, unpacked, is 16 bit linear as well. Thank you!
Ok, we will mention it in the next video
Do you already know when the in depth review is coming?
NICE! Can't wait for the low light performances and rolling shutter in action!
They will be in the next video. Thanks for watching!
Fantastic Video.
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amazing !!!! no words .....
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Competition is really heating up in the $5000-$8000 camera segment with the new C80/C400 and Komodo x price drop. I am hoping by NAB Blackmagic Design puts this sensor in the Pyxis body with ND filters. Sacrifice some of the higher frame rates, extra monitor, and a few other features and sell it for $7000-$8000.
This sensor, even if you sacrifice some of the higher frame rates, needs a lot of cooling. That's explains the size of the Cine 12K, they probably couldn't make it smaller. Pyxis body size is just too small for this type of sensor and processing. You need new developments in hardware tech to get this type of performance in a small body.
I would love to see the RGBW tech inside a small camera like the Pyxis. Hopefully over the next few years we will. However the cooling and media are a huge part of what makes this camera able to do what it does. That’s far too much to put inside the Pyxis as it is.
@@phrasalsyntax Your logic regarding possible cooling problems makes sense. I am guessing that higher frame rates create more heat. Will shooting at 8k or 4k produce less heat as well? If so, just make it an 8k up to 60p, 4k up to 120p and 12k up to 30p. And if that is to much, just drop the 12k option. Unless BMD is leaving a place to drop the price by $4000 like it did with the previous camera, there is a large enough gap in its camera lineup to place a scaled down version of this camera for solo operators.
@@davidwendt3613 yes, but remember that the sensor read out speed is extremely fast and that generates a lot of heat in itself. And don't forget that the (8K and 4K is down-sampled from the 12K (full width of the sensor) meaning that it still requires initial 12K processing (8K and 4K only help with file size). That's why I think in order to get this performance in terms of IQ and high frame rates in a small package we still need some new developments in sensor hardware/processing/cooling tech, you maybe can't do it with the same architecture.
@@phrasalsyntax Thanks for taking the time to explain the cooling/camera size relation in more detail. Someone further down posted that the camera runs hot in its current form, so making it smaller would multiply that problem.
Overall image quality
Blackmagic design actually revealed their new ursa cine lines all have undocumented 16 bit raw color bit depth. even the ursa min 12k which explains the rich and beautiful color science... just adding
I wonder if they could do an update on the OG Ursa 12k, so we can have 16bit (wrapped in 12bit), also.
12-bit logarithmic colour is roughly the same amount of colour information as 16-bit linear.
Only issue I have with the V1 12K is slightly more colour noise than wanted at native ISO. Everything else image wise is spectacular.
This is ubelivable! The best point of this camera is the color science! Can you share some raw footage?
Ok, we will see if we can make a few clips available to download.
I feel like more video cameras should implement rgbw sensors. I understand the benefit of rgb for hybrid cameras, but I just can’t think of any reason rgbw wouldn’t be flat out better for video only cameras. Would love to hear any reasons against rgbw
agreed!
I'm no sensor engineer. But there will be a reason that no one other than Blackmagic has done it yet.
The original UMP 12K had less dynamic range than the UMP 4.6K, it suffered from noisy images when cropped in, and aliasing problems especially on the 8K and 4K. None of those problems here! Blackmagic really seem to have cracked the formula with this sensor.
@@carlyates2487 makes sense, and then I could also imagine that the inability/lack of desire, for other companies to implement a raw workflow to make it work also explains other companies decisions. I’m pretty sure blackmagic said they could only make this work with braw.
Regardless, I’d like to see at least some innovation from other companies. Sensor technology has grown so stale
So awesome
I need to get one of these to test
If you are in the UK you are welcome to come and try our demo unit.
I'm waiting for a job but this is the camera I want next
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What a fantastic camera. For perspective, a 1TB card for the Alexa Mini LF is $1,500. You get an 8TB Card with this Ursa at $15K.
An Alexa Mini LF is $75K+ Body only.
Does it have pre-record is what I always want to know first.
I wish BM would take their RGBW tech and put it in a Pyxis (or even Pocket) style camera. I think it's clearly one of the reasons their readout speeds are so fast on both this camera and the Super 35 12K, and rolling shutter has always been a pretty sore spot for BM cameras (the 6K FF Cine and Pyxis are like 25-26ms in open-gate, which is abysmal). I mean, even if they just took this same sensor, put it in a Pyxis body, and artificially limited it to 8K or lower capture, that'd be awesome. I wouldn't mind seeing them do the same with the S35 12K sensor, because I do love the Super 35 format, and it could be priced a little more cheaply.
I'd love to see a dialled down version of this sensor tech inside a pyxis body.
if media houses dont start adopting the ursa cine line, ill be very disappointed
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Just WOW!!
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damn... my URSA 12k lol. I will probably upgrade, that DR is excellent.
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Astonishing specs. If Blackmagic have also stepped up in terms of reliability (the single thing after poor battery performance) that has kept me from investing in BM cameras, then this will take serious consideration for my next purchase.
Blackmagic cameras are definitely more reliable than they used to be a few years back.
Ah yes, a perfect webcam for zoom meeting. Gonna ask mom to purchase this one for educational purposes
Love this camera and I’m looking forward to buying one soon. NOTE; when ARRI coined the term Large Format (LF) they said it was bc the Alexa LF sensors was LARGER than Full Frame. So that means this URSA CINE 12K is NOT an LF (Large Format) camera. It’s simply FULL FRAME (FF). Nonetheless an awesome camera. Thanks for the video!
in cinematography LF is usually refer to anything bigger then Super 35 since that sensor size was the de facto standard for the film industry, so that mean FF sensors are called LF while in photography that term is usually reserved for anything bigger than medium format aka actual large format
@ mark 2:52
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@@ali_alamiI tried to reply with an old video with Mark at Arri talking about why they use the term LF as a way to differentiate their sensor from FF sensors but it appears UA-cam doesn’t like when we post url
@@ali_alami The UA-cam video posted on ARRI’s channel is called “ARRI Tech Talk: ALEXA LF/Sensor”. It was posted 6 years ago. Go to time 1:15.
Blackmagic crushing it, hard.
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I have the bmcc 6k ff. I wouldn t go back to smaller sensor. But this sounds interesting.
This isn't a smaller sensor.
@mrshaheedmalik Oh, no.I know, my bad wording. And the specs sound great. I just don t know if we have projects to cover that investment, close to 20.000 all around.
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I want one for family days out and vlogging ❤Ha ha, jus kidding but I'd love one of these for my own personal projects.
After lifting one around for a few weeks, I can assure you you don't 😂
A lightweight vlogging camera this is not!
@@carlyates2487 Ha ha! Yes, I totally get you there. My actual dream is a 6k version in the pyxis body. Praying for Pyxis G2 (whenever it comes) t have an inhouse sensor like this but 6 or 8k. My perfect camera. But I would love one of these for that stunning image. Shame I'd have to sell the car to get one!
Saw some where that it is 12 Bit Logarithm Raw and if you take in into your NLE it goes to 16 bit linear Raw
It's 16 bit linear = 12bit log. Other manufacturers will use 16 bit linear without specifying
That’s the difference between logarithmic and linear. 12 bit logarithmic is roughly the same information as 16 bit linear.
Woah!!
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They seem to have the best line up of cinema cameras on the market from beginner or pro if you don’t care about autofocus.
DJI focus pro pretty much solved that.
@@fullbarsVery true. A lot of people will be pairing this and the Pyxis with the DJI focus pro.
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love the size.... hoover from the 90's 🤣😂
Well thats a comparison I hadn't thought of!
Amazing... 😭😭😭
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wow
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Now carl, imagine if we’d had this at staffs :p
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can it follow fast pace action?
It really looks similar to the Panavision Genesis
Footage looks great. Form factor maybe dated? If they can chop it in half and make a mini version they'll clean up, surely.
Yes, it is a large camera to use. But so are Arri's (not the mini ones) and the Venice.
Woah
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have you noticed any color shift when shooting 12k vs 8k? the URSA Mini Pro 12k had an issue when the color looked different when shooting in 8k/4k vs 12k.
At 9:16 it compares 12k , 8k and 4k. I do notice some changes, but I am not sure if it is what you are referring to.
@@davidwendt3613 I guess if you could shoot some color charts in 12k and then 8k to see if there's a difference in color?
is it about a half stop brighter at 4K compared to 12K? Or was it an aperture change? 9:24
Most likely the sun came out.
That was the sun coming out. No brightness change between resolutions.
Sun.
The sensor people need inside of Pxsy.
Absolutely, i'd love to see a RGBW sensor inside the pyxis design
is it me or did that barn have insane CA around the door?
lens
@@BlackopsCoops true
Yes, there is some slight magenta fringing on the left which would have been the lens.
It's a fantastic camera, but if BM could just put this new sensor in a slightly smaller and lighter body approx 2kg, instead of the 3.9kg this weighs, and compromise some of the features like 12K high frame rate and the side screen, they would knock it out of the stadium and I and so many more solo operaters would buy this, even at a not much reduced price point
Yes i'd love to see a more owner operator orientated version of this camera
so how come that the Pyxis didn't get this new sensor?
This camera needs a lot of cooling and the very fast media module to do what it does. Neither of which will fit inside the Pyxis right now.
I'd love to see a less powerful version of this RGBW sensor make it into a pyxis shape camera though!