it should be mentioned that if u use the bottom of the 2nd line to aim bbs with the skip bombers, the penetration will still maintain 600+ to hit the citidal
For Commander, if you pick the coal commander Takeo Suzuki, you get boosted Survivability Expert for a bit extra hp on each of your planes. Yamamoto has the benefit of the Kraken and First Blood boosts, but those are conditional on being first to get a kill and also getting a bunch of kills so you have to choose if you want the guaranteed, but small boost or the harder, but massive boosts.
Wdym there are plenty of coal tier 10s. A metric fuckton. We need more tier 5-7s when it comes to coal. More Steel ships in general, and more RB ships. No more coal 10s
Finally, a secondary CV that's tanky enough to push, seems fun to me. But that's also playing with fire considering how important the CV role is, no team can afford to lose their CV for some meme push.
Regular coupon for the Svea and 15% off coupon for Shinano, but the latter was just today with the steel from snowflakes. Haven't played a game yet in the latter, but like the Svea
When you led the push into the cap zone and watching your team members freak out, i got a good laugh out of that one. Watchout guys Yamato Class CV coming thru!
@ lol 😂 and that you did meanwhile the enemy team who had not received their intelligence reports on this new IJN carrier were stunned as why they cloud not blap you out of the water….
EU is a mix of Nakhimov, Essex and Malta. A lot of people are playing AA-ships like Petro, Worcester, Austin, Halland etc, so Essex gets kind of screwed. Plus BBs hide all the way in the back, so you can't even properly use its torpedos most of the round.
so the sub and CV no one wants (90% of us) will be available for steel after the event, yet the Prins of Oranje/ G Hoffman that everyone has been looking forward to, will not be available for steel after the event. yup, that sounds about right.
As someone who has 0 interest in any of the ships going off sale, it's still bullshit that they do things like that. Especially given they have 0 incentive to do that? Usually the FOMO is to get you to spend money but it's not like you can buy steel???
I just bought this as it solves the one major issue with Graf Zeppelin which is the range between when you are spotted and when you can engage secondaries
as a DD main, it would be interesting to see this taken into the training room with a DD to see how the secondary guns actually work against them. will i insta melt, or will i be OK but beat up a bit from them.
Ap skip bombers that citadel bbs, japanese torp bombers, he dive bombers with smoke drop, amazing secondaries with the same range as concealment, yamato hull. Yeah its in the running for best in slot CV, its definitely cancer
Is hidden menace really needed? it still as the problem with the-50% speed un returne that count for plane climbing up after an attak, and leting ennemy ship shout them down easly
The most I see in EU is Nakhimov followed by Malta and Essex.Though here in EU you see often other CVs but its dominated by those 3 picks.(When you match into superships its either US or Eagle very rarely I see Sekiryu)
I currently have 22k steel saved up. By the time the cupon would refresh, I would be able to afford this ship, but thanks to the steel event, I will have to wait another 1-2 months before the ship is going to be available for normal steel price. Players can't even spend real money to get steel, so wargaming can't get you to pay more to get it earlier, I jus don't understand why they make many players wait for a long time, before they can get it for normal price.
I have FDR, only thing that makes that ship fun are the torp planes, but the planes themselves are glass cannons. Any amount of AA will decimate your planes. It used to be a fun CV to play, now it sits in my port collecting rust. In my opinion NOT worth it in the current meta.
yet another totally overpowered and yet to be nerfed gimmick cv.... Wargaming playing everyone for fools again. Whenever you say 'strong' all i hear is 'wrong'
@Joshua-fi4ji Not crap but certainly not very unique for steel ships, yea. Personally I was looking forward to Hoffmann but Im a bit disappointed. I would prefer playing Elbing and spending 36k steel on something else later...
@@sirdancealot2645I meant crap as steel ships rather than straight up crap ships. The cruiser in particular looks like it'll be quite good, just not particularly interesting and certainly not worth 36k steel. It'd make a cool coal ship. The DD feels unisnpired and like it's missing something. Why would I choose it over the other German DDs available? Leg mod for Elbing looks a lot more appealing.
@Joshua-fi4ji The only thing I think of the Hydro Hoffmann has but giving her poor agility compared to regular DDs, I don't think "cap confesting" is a role for Hoffmann so it is a weird choice.
This has to hands down be the dummest playstle for a ship wargaming has managed to come up with… a self smoking secondary cv? Tf is this who thought this is what the game needs????
Oh I don’t know, 24:19 he mentioned coupons but surely he didn’t mean the coupons that you were mentioning. This is also only one of the times he mentioned as there were more in the video. But your name already tells a lot about your character.
Yeah they didn’t tell us this info until litterly the moment the nda broke sooooo we had no idea of most of the stuff they do until you all do and we have to record these vids ahead of time
it should be mentioned that if u use the bottom of the 2nd line to aim bbs with the skip bombers, the penetration will still maintain 600+ to hit the citidal
yes thank you for the info!
For Commander, if you pick the coal commander Takeo Suzuki, you get boosted Survivability Expert for a bit extra hp on each of your planes. Yamamoto has the benefit of the Kraken and First Blood boosts, but those are conditional on being first to get a kill and also getting a bunch of kills so you have to choose if you want the guaranteed, but small boost or the harder, but massive boosts.
thank you for that info! i did not know that
At extra 50 hp at tier 10, does it even make a difference?
@ every little bit helps especially if it is just a simple commander change
Thats who i use for the same reason, those Suzuki brothers are well worth the investment.
“Very historical ship”
Also has overmatching AP skip bombers
He wasn't talking about the in-game representation, he was talking about the significance in history that the Shinano had on Japan.
@@Extracord, that's like the in-game HMS Hood having rail guns.
@@edwardm9246 You're definitely overexaggerating that.
@@ExtracordShinano wasn't completed and sunk en route by single USA submarine
@@cactuslietuva Here in wows, Archerfish is depth charged and japanese fleet had the Submarine surveillance, pity submarines gets stomped on.
More steel ships. Go figure. We need more coal t10s
Wdym there are plenty of coal tier 10s. A metric fuckton. We need more tier 5-7s when it comes to coal. More Steel ships in general, and more RB ships. No more coal 10s
I am a Legends player and it’s better there yet steel is so hard to get bruh.
I think they know they borked the coal economy just like free xp.
Finally, a secondary CV that's tanky enough to push, seems fun to me. But that's also playing with fire considering how important the CV role is, no team can afford to lose their CV for some meme push.
Regular coupon for the Svea and 15% off coupon for Shinano, but the latter was just today with the steel from snowflakes. Haven't played a game yet in the latter, but like the Svea
When you led the push into the cap zone and watching your team members freak out, i got a good laugh out of that one. Watchout guys Yamato Class CV coming thru!
I had to make sure the whole team was awake!
@ lol 😂 and that you did meanwhile the enemy team who had not received their intelligence reports on this new IJN carrier were stunned as why they cloud not blap you out of the water….
EU is a mix of Nakhimov, Essex and Malta. A lot of people are playing AA-ships like Petro, Worcester, Austin, Halland etc, so Essex gets kind of screwed. Plus BBs hide all the way in the back, so you can't even properly use its torpedos most of the round.
The torps can still be used to hit stationary cruisers or DDs that turned in hard and can't dodge easily anymore
so the sub and CV no one wants (90% of us) will be available for steel after the event, yet the Prins of Oranje/ G Hoffman that everyone has been looking forward to, will not be available for steel after the event. yup, that sounds about right.
Yeah I wish they had the orange and Hoffman available after
As someone who has 0 interest in any of the ships going off sale, it's still bullshit that they do things like that. Especially given they have 0 incentive to do that? Usually the FOMO is to get you to spend money but it's not like you can buy steel???
I just bought this as it solves the one major issue with Graf Zeppelin which is the range between when you are spotted and when you can engage secondaries
as a DD main, it would be interesting to see this taken into the training room with a DD to see how the secondary guns actually work against them. will i insta melt, or will i be OK but beat up a bit from them.
takes a little time since the relaod is slower on the guns
Ap skip bombers that citadel bbs, japanese torp bombers, he dive bombers with smoke drop, amazing secondaries with the same range as concealment, yamato hull. Yeah its in the running for best in slot CV, its definitely cancer
Is hidden menace really needed? it still as the problem with the-50% speed un returne that count for plane climbing up after an attak, and leting ennemy ship shout them down easly
it is due to needed extra planes in the modules only reason i didnt take concela there as well
Overmatching AP skip bombers makes ZERO sense from a historical or gameplay perspective. What is angling in 2024?
There was angling?
they’re simply launching bombs at 800m/s
Bruh! You expect a little more Historical gameplay in World of Warships!?!? Hahaha 🤣 That’s just so hilarious seeing how Wargaming does things.
@@fireproxy9707 I don't expect it from WG anymore, but this game usually brands itself with "historical" ships, meanwhile WG puts in this BS
Interesting bit....1-st and 2nd skip have the same values of penetration of like 650mm and the 3rd last skip has about 270 or so
added this ship in my steel collection :)
The most I see in EU is Nakhimov followed by Malta and Essex.Though here in EU you see often other CVs but its dominated by those 3 picks.(When you match into superships its either US or Eagle very rarely I see Sekiryu)
1:18 A hull very similar to the Yamato....gee can't imagine why that would be the case
I love Torpedo gameplay, I was thinking of getting the FDR, should I get this new one then or a Shikishima (cause I like Yamato and Satsuma gameplay)
I’m a simple person and I’m just glad, despite not liking subs and CVs in the game, we have two real ships and not paper nonsense.
Real? Ww2 sub racing 45 knots is real?
@ unfortunately.
Forrest Sherman+Gearing+Shinano vape div shenanigans when...
maybe one day
As a secondary Graf Zeppelin Player i find this ship very funny and i cant wiat to get mine.
Good Review, Interesting AC weapon mechanics. I would get Shinano 'cause snosages, no.
Love you sis (already got her and she's so fun for me)
I was produdeman the guy chatting with you
I currently have 22k steel saved up. By the time the cupon would refresh, I would be able to afford this ship, but thanks to the steel event, I will have to wait another 1-2 months before the ship is going to be available for normal steel price. Players can't even spend real money to get steel, so wargaming can't get you to pay more to get it earlier, I jus don't understand why they make many players wait for a long time, before they can get it for normal price.
I believe it will be possible to buy them with doubloons too.
@bobacek002ulr5 Steel ships for doubloons? Get ready for a civil war
@@arongyorffy3070 Maybe just money.
You can buy steel for money during dockyard events but it's only for whales.
Can we buy it with money?
Finally got this ship for today (Sunday)
If we had to compare with Roosevelt which one have pure raw damage capabilities ?
Roosevelt isnt worth getting in the current game unless you want it for collection reasons
@@davidb3155I don't have it, but I've seen that a good player can farm tonnes of damage in it still against BBs. Not so good against DDs though.
FDR easily. Shinano specialises in unhealable damage, not big numbers.
FDR is still strong when it comes to dmg outpoot and spoting. U need to be a bit skilled to drop DDs with bombs but if u do so the ship is broken af.
I have FDR, only thing that makes that ship fun are the torp planes, but the planes themselves are glass cannons. Any amount of AA will decimate your planes. It used to be a fun CV to play, now it sits in my port collecting rust. In my opinion NOT worth it in the current meta.
I will get shinano.
Just what we needed, more CVs. It isn't enough that most matches already have 2 x CVs per team (+ random hybrids)?
game will be perfect when its 4 CV and 4 Subs every game
I rarely get double CV tbh.
I don't see that on EU. I don't remember the last time I saw 2 CVs.
Which one am I getting?
None, because I don't like griefing people
Graff zepelin 2.0
Made with Yamato hull but get rekt with only 1 archerfish while the Yamato itself fighting hundreds of aircraft
Most of the watertight door werent installed when the Shinano meet archerfish and most of the crew didnt how to use a waterpump
Hidden menance? Do you think it is worrh it ? I think the penalty is too much.
i only do since if you take conceal in modules you get less planes which you need
Shinano seems interesting to play, but don't feels like it should be for steel, not so cool for such high price
Great review, thank you! But it is a CV, so blech...
i want it but cant afford it...
Alright what is this
How is that defeat ? 2nd game
went to 1000 points
wait for CV's in clan battles lol
Plan on getting neither Archerfish or Shinano. CV's are subjective a massive rebalance where they'll probably end up sucking. And Archerfish is a sub.
i plan to have the video for the sub out wednseday morning
This cv is stupid. So, they get a free guide for identifying overpen vrs full pen? surface ships don't get that mechanic...
yet another totally overpowered and yet to be nerfed gimmick cv.... Wargaming playing everyone for fools again. Whenever you say 'strong' all i hear is 'wrong'
The side still says 400mm armor
more unhealabe and undodgeable citadeldamage another fu by wg.
4 steel ships (so far) at the same time in a fomo event.... wow . Lame af
Archerfish and Shinano are not "FOMO". They are available in armory after the event.
@@sirdancealot2645and the other 2 look a bit crap from what I've seen.
@Joshua-fi4ji Not crap but certainly not very unique for steel ships, yea.
Personally I was looking forward to Hoffmann but Im a bit disappointed. I would prefer playing Elbing and spending 36k steel on something else later...
@@sirdancealot2645I meant crap as steel ships rather than straight up crap ships. The cruiser in particular looks like it'll be quite good, just not particularly interesting and certainly not worth 36k steel. It'd make a cool coal ship.
The DD feels unisnpired and like it's missing something. Why would I choose it over the other German DDs available? Leg mod for Elbing looks a lot more appealing.
@Joshua-fi4ji The only thing I think of the Hydro Hoffmann has but giving her poor agility compared to regular DDs, I don't think "cap confesting" is a role for Hoffmann so it is a weird choice.
This has to hands down be the dummest playstle for a ship wargaming has managed to come up with… a self smoking secondary cv? Tf is this who thought this is what the game needs????
what a broken ship
Total bs by wargaming. Ppl shouldn’t spend any money on this game anymore
You know that’s not going to happen
Another cc/you tuber that has failed to mention the 15% discount coupon, good job bou
Oh I don’t know, 24:19 he mentioned coupons but surely he didn’t mean the coupons that you were mentioning. This is also only one of the times he mentioned as there were more in the video. But your name already tells a lot about your character.
Yeah they didn’t tell us this info until litterly the moment the nda broke sooooo we had no idea of most of the stuff they do until you all do and we have to record these vids ahead of time