Phreatic Craters, Fire Suppression & Penstemon Nuance
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- Опубліковано 27 лис 2024
- In this video, we examine what a poorly managed forest that's been subject to decades of fire suppression looks like (the increasingly hotter summers and decreasing snowpack every year don't help, either... But did somebody say "rake and clean"? ) as we descend 300' down a volcanic crater now covered in coniferous forest to explain the many nuances of the genus #Penstemon, while also taking time to appreciate the very weird #Cycladenia humilis of the Oleander Family, #Apocynaceae and the even weirder parasitic plant, #Kopsiopsis strobilacea.
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Finally someone talking about fire suppression it really grinds my gears
Why dey do dat?
Thisexact reason why organizations like plant a million trees bother me.
These organizations often don't give a fuck about the land there planting on.
@@hannastrauss2994 and that crap runs off & smothers natives, hate that crap!
@@hannastrauss2994 thank you for making me look up and learning the term "understory trees". in always happy to learn something
Right? Fire is a natural part of the environment, especially in Western NA.
"Smokey the Bear is an asshole." Truer words have not been spoken. I've often imagined writing a short story where Smokey goes to a therapist, comes to terms with the pain and loss in his life that led him to his extremist views about wildfires and then the harm and death he has caused over the years. Anyway, stay safe California!
Please present your essay.
as a Californian(tm) the number of summers RUINED by wildfire fucking SEASON is unacceptable
I'm a forest ecologist and I work for the Forest Service, occasionally on fire assignments but it's far from my main job. My two cents on the (mis)management of fire adapted ecosystems is basically that we're in a precarious situation that has no easy solution. A large part of the problem is the fuels build up from historically suppressing every fire everywhere all the time, which is combining with climate change to produce extreme fires. The other major issue at hand is what we call the "wildland urban interface" since people continue to build their homes in fire prone areas, take no precautions whatsoever, and then expect to be rescued when the fire comes. Oh and they don't like the idea of controlled burning, and they're not so hot on timber harvesting for fuels reduction, and no they won't make a defensible area around their homes, and no they won't improve access to make it safe for firefighters to get in and out. But they or their insurance company will happily sue the state or federal agency that "failed" to protect them.
I'm all for fuels reduction, controlled burning, and containment over suppression, but it's just not as easy to do as it is to say. It certainly doesn't help that we already have all the systems in place and the money appropriated to suppress all these fires while going through the process of properly managing our forests is slow, expensive, reliant on limited resources, and burdened with regulations that limit where, when, and how any treatment can be done.
There's not as much maliciousness or even incompetence as you might expect, just a lot of conflicting values and frustrated people.
I agree. And as more formerly undeveloped land continues to have houses and stirp malls built on it, and the winter rains continue to come later and the summers continue to become hotter and drier we will see this become a regular "weather pattern" , as unfortunate as it is to think of like that. Many of these forested areas will cease to be forest and will instead become chaparral or landscapes of weedy invasives mixed with whatever shrubby and herbaceous native plants are able to cut it in this new landscape.
Reintroduce the porcupine to the Sierra Nevada. The timber industry should have never been allowed to exterminate them in the first place
Do you feel like enough funding is going towards hiring ecologists, and that they're expert advice is being sanctioned appropriately by government agencies, when it comes to wildfire planning and management? Where I live in Sonoma County, a county-wide measure and multiple district measures have been passed to increase funding to firefighting efforts. The most recent measure that passed in my unincorporated town increased parcel tax for fire suppression and prevention, meaning our previously volunteer-run fire department will now have fully paid and trained staff. I am very much all for this, but I can't help but wonder if there's room in those funds to staff professional ecologists to work alongside the fire department for long term planning. I don't know what government tier ecological professionals are listened to, and where their advice trickles down the ladder to smaller governments. There are privately owned lands run by ecology centers that do prescribed burns and conduct research, but it doesn't seem like there is much involvement from them across a vast majority of the county. I presume it is due to lack of funding, or lack of interest in hiring, ecologists, but it seems that refusing to involve them in fire planning is simply delaying the inevitable. I find it hard to believe that the funds could be so tight and solely dedicated to fire suppression when it is perfectly acceptable to take the financial loss from business closures due to massive evacuation orders, public property damage, and loss of tourist revenue.
@Dr. M. H. Not when it burns every year. Good luck selling homes that insurance companies refuse to sell policies to.
Your dog has the nicest life; guaranteed food but it gets to wander around the beautiful outdoors all the time.
Hey I went to highschool in Montana. The shit you're talking about in the beginning we learned in science class. We learned a ton of fire safety in general. That is where we train, in Missoula, the Smokejumpers who parachute into wildfires.
In science class we also learned native American history, because their science of the land was sound. They used to do low burning fires in their forests often... they understood the benefits. Also the fact that "pruning your forest" is essential. You don't want too many trees growing too closely. A healthy forest has big trees spread evenly apart. Lots of room.
I swear to god, Montana public schooling is among the best in the country....
I love what you're doing!
just my 2 cents. leaving a comment for the algorithm :)
@uhチュンチュンマル Sorry, we're full. Packed to the brim. Can't take any more people. I've heard Wyoming is nice!
SoulReaver846 oh you’re one of those...
@@riv6580 i agree with him. We can see how quickly life goes south with an increase in population density.
@@isamuranable like all my fellow Coloradoans saying the states full
@@VorboteDesKrieg nowadays I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that.
I think they need more Pupperoni! Thanks for the vicarious hike into da hole
He always threatens to withhold the pupperoni but I bet he spoils those ratbags, how could you not right?
Hey Tony. I don't always get to wash every video you make, but every video I do watch, you always make me smile, while you teach me things that I didn't know, or refresh my memory about things I learned 15 years ago.
Sippin on a nice whiskey, with a nice new CPBBD video, wildfire burning away less than 60 miles from me.
@b_radfriendship Cameron peak, Colorado
Hope ur safe!
@b_radfriendship we're staying inside as much as possible. Smoke was almost like a fog this morning and small amounts of ash was in the air. We're keeping updated with our local officials.
Thanks for the shot of the Wild Ginger. The leaf color appeared variegated, unlike what I've seen in the Upper Midwest.
I thing we have that species, or another in the genus, over here in East Tennessee. Looks just like what was shown. It's hard to find, as it's rare, needing specific conditions to grow.
Loved the close up flower dissection and the great botany lesson!!! So very much better than pictures in a book. Thank you!! 🌿💕
Ever since I began learning about California native plants, I have come across plants(much like in these videos), and getting excited. It is like seeing a famous person in real life that you've been following, but far less disappointing. My favorite was reading up on aquilegia Formosa, and coming across it in the wild. I took its photo, and was really excited. It makes life so much more exciting and makes hikes feel like a scavenger hunt. Also it helps me appreciate the life around me. Side effect has been the desire to secretly spike people's front yards with native seeds.
Thanks for the beautiful views. Got this friggin Lake fire smoking us out.
Ol Joey really getting that 'tuber thing down. Please keep making more, Its good to educate ones self when surrounded by mindless drivel just a tab away.
Here's a comment for the algorithm. Love what you're doing. I lived in the Nicollet (sp?) Forest in Wisconsin for a couple years. But that whole forest is more of a plantation for lumber and pulp than real Forest. I still miss it though, and go fishing there every couple years.
Where else can you get forestry lessons, fashion tips for when to wear assless leather pants and devious ways to screw with your pets? Brilliant and hysterical as usual, thanks.
I come for the knowledge and snark but we all stay for the pupperoni don’t we.
This guy...inspired me go back to University and get a degree in Plant Health. I'm 53 y/o and I'm going to recommend this channel to all the little pukes in my classes
From now on, lookin’ at Penstemon is gonna make me wanna Hot Dog. Who knew? Thanks again, Tony. You’re keepin’ sanity within our grasp with each vid.
psych ward green, i need to see if Behr carries that color
Sherwin-Williams has you covered www.pinterest.ie/pin/350577152215644244/ they do have this plan to cover the entire world after all
I'm seeing it everywhere lately...it's what plants crave.
I love your videos, I’ve learnt so much from them!
If you ever come to Mexico City, I think you’ll really enjoy visiting the Pedregal de San Ángel, a 1,600 year old lava field with a pretty cool ecosystem growing on top.
A national fucking treasure you are dude. Thanks.
Chaps were designed for riding horseback through chaparral, no? Words, like plants, can be orientating. Diggin' the riffs.
Darn dood, ur knowledge of plants is really incredible. Like it's straight up an example of the power of human brain. Crimepayulus Maximulintilegus for sure.
That ending.....good boys!
Thanks for the vid, love the doggo ending.
Thanks for the nice hike
If you want to borrow some bush-turkeys from Queensland Australia we've got plenty spare, and they're pretty good at taking the fuel load into nest piles.
i loved the end with your dogies
@@TheUnholyPosole That's the first time I've heard Jack express an opinion on anything.
Beautiful conversation... to pre delay imperative
I'd love if you'd do another episode of "botany of the bleak" I loved your other videos talking about the urban ecosystem
The man knows what a porcelain toilet sounds like smashed on a sidewalk 14:06
Very satisfying, almost as good as a well-flung, old fashioned, ring type telephone.
You should come down to the South during burn season and do some videos on controlled burns. Obvious the environments are way different. But a great example of good burn management. We just had the first wild born Eastern Indigo Snake found in AL for the first time in 50 years, thanks to help from burns...and the gopher tortoise.
I'd love to. Probably next spring depending on how fucked up the country is at that point. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thanks for the hot dog bun analogy. This is the low brow shit I sub for.
Awwww! Who's a good boy?
good for you my friend talking about how some ass will NOT do the right thang on making sure that the ceg. is out or the campfire is FULLY out and with dirt over top before they leave
Piss on it. Literally. My butts are always squeezed to get the coal out, which I smear with my foot, then I either bury the butt, or take it with me. I only started in February, so maybe I can quit.
Love the dog footage at the end. You're getting soft with all this extra non-educational stuff
Before the green, there is volcano, it helps in the end. And all along the paths of life.
When you get a chance check out Corte Madre in San Diego. It's a private protected area near Laguna Mountain
Good job giving us a taste of the argument with Jack. I wonder who won.
I grew up in Lake County, broke my arm in Shasta while snowboarding, been there many times... Spooky to you, familiar to me :) Weird that I like seeing you do shit around my old home, since I hate that asscrack. Now that I'm a horticulturist, I find the area fascinating, though.... So again, glad to see you prowling around, and listening to you rant and rave about it.
Nice job Tony!
Love the ending 😆
"smokey the bear ain't too happy"
Me: Yeah it looks pretty bad
Takes a step *c r o n c h*
Me: 👀 that shit's flames that haven't happened yet
I did forestry a few years ago when on my free state paid vacation. Cut down and built 25foot burn piles of dead crap and over growth... burn it in the winter in Tahoe.
Is free state paid vacation some sort of euphemism or is that an actual thing? Excuse me if this is a dumb question :) Sounds like a pretty sweet way to spend your time.
@@MrMalthusMusic lol its ok. I kinda say it that way cus saying'prison' makes me look like I'm bragging or being tuff cus it really makes me feel stupid.. but I learned alot and did stuff I wouldn't have done in fire camp. But that is what it means... prison
@@SaraJean85 Hah, fair enough, in hindsight I probably should have worked that one out myself :) Glad to hear that you got something out of the experience all the same, many roads many destinations and all that bullshit y'know?
@@MrMalthusMusic lol now I just play with spiders and make you tube videos to stay out of trouble... hopefully one day I might be able to make some money doing it... then I'll finally beat the failure I once was.
Sara Jean pretty wild we put prisoners here in California on the front lines of these fires.
I’ve always liked Penstemons. It’s the largest genus endemic to North America, they come in all colors (blues and purples most common, but I’ve seen red, yellow, and white ones), grow in a wide range of habitats, and most species are quite showy. But you do need a hand lens to key them out to the species.
“Broomrape” refers to a European species of _Orobanche_ parasitizing _Cytisus_ species (common name: broom).
BROWN AND CRISPY
I was just thinking about looking up if there were any myco-heterotrophs in California, but based off this video I can tell there are both myco-heterotrophs and straight up root-parasitic bastards. I’m a amateur dip-shit botanist from the east coast figuring out the ecology out here on the West after moving here a couple years ago. Your channel is some great stuff!
"Etsy witches" I hollered :-)
best video in a while. keep it up.
I have not looked at all of your videos so sorry if you have already done some on this but could you do some videos exploring burn areas at different time frames one year two years 5 years and so on. both small short fires and the huge ones we have every year
bless you and your furry friends thank you
Love the Asarums, got some nice ones in Georgia too. Under used as a landscape plant for well drained shade, critters don't eat them like they do hosta and they're evergreen here.
Got ya some commercials, nice to be monitized. Hope ya got some pennies from letting them run. Get some pupperonies for the kids.
" Smokey the Bear was an asshole" made my day!!!
more of the dogs
19:08 What a voice.
Bonus pupperoni revolt at the end!
You gotta follow the bear trails to get through manzanita like that.
Brachs 👍
Only when I was good
I used to spend my allowance on comics and Brach's chocolate covered peanuts. I'd devour my comics while devouring an entire bag, usually in two sittings. It was the first product I ever noticed the shrinking weight/same price inflation in.
18:46 NOW WE'RE BOTH BARKING AAAAA
I like to listen to lo-fi while watching your videos, CPBBD. Someone is going to end up making a channel that re-uploads your videos with a lo-fi soundtrack in the background, I can see it now.
Yeah, I could see CPBBD being fertile ground for lo-fi remixes.
14:04 The owner of that home (look behind where the rock was tossed) is inside wondering why this jackass is tearing up their front porch! 😁
Is there a plant that specializes in parasitizing other parasitic plants?
You mean a parasitic parasitic plant plant?
Hyperparasite is the term for that. I assume it exists in all branches on the tree of evolution, including plants.
gods i miss california's flora. thanks for making these videos
Really nlce dogs you got there.
awesome stuff, gotta love what volcanoes do to ecosystems. also ending dogs! :D
comments are good for the youtube algorithm
I think the one dislike is from smokey the bear 😂
One or two people who I pissed off but who remain subscribed just to down-vote videos as soon as they are posted. I feel very loved.
I love your videos. 👍🏻
Does the forestry department over there do backburning in some states to manage it better than seen in this video? I live in Australia and sometimes we get backburning right, but after the gutting of the fire services you can see the results in our last bout of severe bushfires.
calfire isn't allowed to do it very often because the environmentalists don't let them. imagine if that were the case in the outback.
Here in Montana sometimes they do prescribed burns. Sometimes successful and sometimes 🔥🌲🔥not
*the environmentalists who are funded by George Soros and are trying to kidnap Christian children in order to indoctrinate them with "scientific propaganda" which we all know is really just a kinky sex cult funded from the top down by the Chinese.
@@CrimePaysButBotanyDoesnt It was an extremely popular opinion among conservative voting, Rupert Murdoch paper reading individuals in Australia to blame our recent savage bushfires on the green party here too, despite the fact that a) they never have any power and b) the conservative party are the ones that gutted the fire services. Sad but unsurprising to see that a similar mentality exists in the states.
Sorry this got political so quickly, it wasn't my intention at all. I was genuinely curious about differences in forestry management between our two countries.
@@MrMalthusMusic you didn't make it political, it already was. Everything is political these days. No room for nuance. No room for critical thought. Just two opposing sides spouting simple-minded absolutism and saying "with us or against us". Modern human society can be so boring.
Walking through thick manzanita is like swimming in barbwire, beautiful but nasty
I come for the education. I stay for the sass!
Mr. Santore I know it's not really your area of expertise but if you feel comfortable explaining I'd really like it if you could talk about soil biology, the importance of indeginous microorganisms in plats, the symbiotic relationships with endo/ecto mycorrhizae fungi have have with some plants and what species or circumstances can occur for their symbiotic relationship turn sour into a parasidic one
I agree with you, Wrigley Field IS like a smashed porcelain toilet! 🤣 PS Awesome vid as usual.
someone should really sweep that forest!
Absolute mad man bushwhacking through that stuff in shorts lol
Dog, man's best parasite.
Chaps= protective gear for plowing through chap-aral.
This is a prime example of what happens when you take fire away from a forest that needs fire and has evolved around frequent fires. Then when a fire does happen because it’s enviable it has so much dry fuel it turns essentially into a blast furnace and burns everything
Hey Joey I know that international travel is difficult right now with covid, but eventually I would love to see you exploring Subsaharan Africa. I've been looking into many of the native plants and it just seems like a breeding ground for weird ass shit. Lithops or other mesembs specifically which have like thousands of different species would be awesome to see in habitat.
Edit: obviously money is a factor in travel too I don't mean to be so forward. But if it ends up in the cards I'd love to see it.
I wonder how many cool rocks you find
That's a ton of ladder fuel! Fortunately, looks like there isn't too many windfall timber. It'd still burn hot and fast with all that available burnable surface area.
Did you notice the young bobcat jogging by? At 3:05 to left side
Haha hairy ovaries... I’m really enjoying how you describe the plants.
control for is necessary
Thank You ! :)
I watch because of the dogs.
The way this video aged....man.
It must be awfully weird to live in a place that gets wildfires. I'm from Ohio, so that stuff doesn't happen naturally here.
So do you just know all this offa the top of your head or do you go through beforehand and read up before each video to make sure you're ready? Either way, cool shit. Had no idea phreatic explosions existed, now I can't stop readin about em.
Is Jake an Australian Cattle Dog? I’ve read they can new challenging pets. Just curious about your opinion. Is he a high maintenance breed? How is he with strangers? That kinda thing. Thanks
thats why they call em chaps, for walking through the chaparral. cmon man the dad joke was right there and you missed it ;) 16:30
Hnh, how fitting, posting this while the Bay and up north are burning. One of my favorite campground in Big Basin is gone, top of Empire Grade and Ben Lomond are gone, do ya think that Californias people who make these decisions will learn? Nah, itll be fine.
learn what, exactly?
@@SuperAWaC that fire suppression doesnt work and has been responsible for the two largest wildfires ever recorded, thought it might have been obvious from the video and my comment on how my home is being threatened by fires...
yer gears are fixed alright. don't talk about a group of 35 million ppl as tho we all have the same opinion about anything. hayzues Christo for cryin out loud.
And those places arent gone, they're burnt. they'd recover a lot faster however if the natural cycle of fire had been allowed.
The ppl who fight against the fire cycle arent the ppl, it's the lumber companies. they like clear cuts. and they like cal fire to protect thwir assets in the form of uncharred trees of even ages. that's the board of forestry s call, and it's populated by timber company execs
Oooh. Niiiice.
What kind of breeds are your dogs
Tony?? They look like border collies but their coat are shorter so I’m not sure but they definitely are geriatric coyotes by blood.
I’m sure you have answered this already but where do you get all your knowledge from?
Books
I'm scared Tony
No more pupperoni!
Planetary Volcano Acne. Heard it here first.
There was a little mammal of some sort at 3:08 I wonder what it waa
I think it was Jack
@@donovanarauz2626 not the littlest mammal, but a very good boy nonetheless!
all my homies are allways hunting smoky the bear with the back of our adhd ass brains
Joey who is saner, Jack or you? :)
Brown and Crispy!