I went to Bryant University and personally know the Coach that was fired from Duke (he came to Bryant later that year, as it was the only school to offer him a job post-Duke). He was still doing interviews and was in settlement talks with Duke at the time. He brought the players in question to talk to the team and suffice it to say they were humbled by the experience. Coach Pressler is still at Bryant and credits his lengthy stay there to "loyalty". Bryant was the only school to offer him a job when he was going through the worst time in his life. He has since received offers from Blue Chip D1 programs and turned them down to repay the favor. That's class...
It's so weird how often the social media 'bad guys' turn out to be 100x better people than the 'good guys'. The cultural narrative is not just warped, not just broken, it's flipped upside down. Truths are un-PC so are substituted with falsehoods, reality is offensive thus denied, weakness is strength, etc.
I saw a video of woman beating herself up and claimed her boyfriend did it, lucky he had cameras. The punishment for fake accusations should be brutal.
My most recent (NPD/BPD) ex gf used to hit herself during fits of episodal Anxiety. I begged her to stop, constantly trying to get her to seek help. It sucked seeing her that way. 😓😓😓 I can't be certain if she tried using 'claimed abuse' as a method of getting attention from time to time, but... shortly after I broke up with her, I essentially became 'socially invisible'. Besides, her friends constantly looked at me like I was 'dangerous' and acted suspicious around me. I noticed. Even this post is SUPER unlikely to be seen. Maybe even years into the future, it'll still have been seen by no one. But... I'm trying to become 'unghosted / un-shadow banned'. It is what it is.
A lady from human resources where I work once told my co-worker and I that the reason women get less punishment when they lie about sexual assault is because it would discourage real victims from coming forward for fear that they will also get punished in case they can't prove it. I stayed quiet.
There have been plenty of cases similar to this. It makes you wonder how many times men have been falsely convicted based on 'he-said, she-said' evidence, due to lack of video or other real evidence.
My business partner’s ex did this. She destroyed her house, injured herself, and called the cops blaming him. Luckily, unbeknownst to her we’d flown to Vegas two days before. NOTHING happened to her. Police wouldn’t press charges and the divorce court was like “meh, just a mother under duress.” Until women face the same accountability as men this stuff isn’t going to change.
You know what this reminds me of? The fact that Thomas Sowell should be on this podcast before he dies. He's 90+ years old. Get the man on the podcast ASAP!
It gets worse. One of the players had proof he wasn't at the party. He was in a taxi across town. The cops REFUSED to listen to the driver. When the taxi driver went public, HE WAS ARRESTED on a shoplifting warrant that was two years old. The kicker, he wasn't the shoplifter. He was arrested because they (the accused shoplifters) rode in his taxi.
I looked up what happened to the Duke Lacrosse prosecutor and though was disbarred he only spent a single day in prison. The scumbag had to declare bankruptcy after the players sued him for 180 million in damages.
He and his brother were friends of mine growing up. Mike was a great guy from a wonderful family. Apparently his ambition blinded him . Destroyed his life as he was trying to obtain wrongful convictions. Tragic.
Yeah on the lawyers wiki there was a murder case where the lawyer did the same thing and the convicted served 20 years for suppressed DNA evidence that would have exonerated him.
It should be, but that doesn’t get clicks and views and bottom line, money. So it’s the fault of the consumers as well who are part of this cycle but complain about it. But the onus really is on the journalist.
yup, Media is the enemy. you can hear when a independent journalist is making critical reporting as opposed too "telling you how you should think and feel."
@@codylarkhart261 independent is the wrong word, unbiased would be a better word. Some independant journalists also "tell you how you should think and feel".
You left out the Rolling Stone story that was written about them and completely discredited. The reporter was fired and there was a large monetary settlement from the magazine.
The worst part was that the prosecution *knew* the allegations were bullshit when the evidence was coming in and they still pushed for it. The main prosecutor got 1 day in jail.
@@jordanwelty6582 That should be the praxis for any false allegations cases. Those knowingly perpetuating false allegations should get the maximum sentence for the charge in question.
Duke University had to pay three players $20 million dollars each. An ad appeared in the campus newspaper attacking the players that was signed by eighty faculty members. I remember one of the mothers being quoted as saying nobody was going to treat her son that way. I guess the geniuses in the Duke Faculty Lounge didn’t realize that if you play Lacrosse for Duke, you are probably strong, tough, smart, and your family probably has a lot of money and know some very good lawyers.
Even worse, one of the main faculty members who led the charge against them (and eventually became my boss as a professor at Duke) was asked 10 years later whether she regretted her role in accusing the kids of rape. Her answer: no. She was subsequently promoted, of course, because she was a black woman.
That's why I've been saying for years that whenever the media and the press get something as wrong as Duke lacrosse that their corrections should cover the same amount of page space as the original stories ,, and if all it is is blank paper with a small correction in it of a few words then that's what it'll look like,,, that would help stop that shit..
@@happinesstan If they ran huge front page stories full of lies then had to use THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE for the corrections and retractions they might just think twice.....
If you don't think a journalist would target a child with false accusations that end with the kid's life in ruins, you haven't been paying attention to the literature.
The fact that you started the conversation with "they were douchebags" just because they were white lacrosse players shows there's still a way to go...
Bunch of straight -A students at a difficult academic school="douchebags"? would you say the same if they weren't white? I suppose only POC earn their spot at college, oh that's right, UNCF and Affirmative action still openly discriminate against whites.
I think this dude watched the Actual Justice Warrior story, and that's what got him talking about this. Because his story literally came out a few days before this podcast. If you haven't watched it, you should. AJW did a very good job on it, he always does
@@dennisyoungblood349 @Dennis Youngblood "I'll tell you what I was watching on the plane was this... Do you remember the Duke Lacrosse players?" that sounds to me like he told the audience/Joe that he was watching a video about the Duke Lacrosse players.
@@9HighFlyer9 yeah, I'm just saying what I think he was watching specifically, the Actual Justice Warrior's video about what happened. Because that video literally came out 2 days before this happened. I don't see the problem here
Nah this guy doesn't even know the full story, the stripper was literally giving any excuse possible because the hospital wanted to send her to a psych evaluation. Random nurse asked if she was assaulted and she saw an out
Also how for the "photo lineup" the police showed her pictures only of all the white lacrosse players. There was one black player on the team and they didn't show her his photo. 100% NOT how lineups are supposed to work because it's impossible for her to be wrong...basically they said here are pics of all the white players, pick which ones you want us to charge
Just imagine if this happened to you and you didn't have rich enough parents to hire you a good lawyer if these guys had public defender's they would have went to prison
The Duke story was the tipping point for me to realize how shit the media is. The insane hyperbole and witch hunt mentality that was literally brushed under the rug as if it never happened was astonishing.
Sean!! I saw that, and had no idea those kids had been exonerated. I never followed the case closely, but the media is exceptionally good at covering up their misdeeds. Just like so many people don’t even know CNN had rescinded their story about the Capitol officer being “beaten to death with a fire extinguisher.” (Oops jk guys he died of an unrelated heart condition. But we’ll still use his death for political advantage. For SHAME.) “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” Once the seed of a toxic narrative has taken root in peoples minds, it often doesn’t matter what truth is revealed later. People believe what suits their ego.
Why is Lacrosse so tied to rich people? A lacrosse stick can't be all that much and the team could likely supply pads/helmet, at least for those that can't afford to buy their own.
@@jarrettvoigt7840 I learned so much from your reply Jarrett. Thanks. Maybe next time, explain why I am wrong since I'm clearly not a lax guy and also asked a direct question in my comment.
Lacrosse does cost some money, more than something like soccer or basketball but definitely less than hockey. Just back in the day it used to cost money and the only schools that played were rich New England private schools. Over the years more and more schools around the country have the sport and it’s gotten relatively cheaper.
The Durham County DA’s office was collectively as a group CORRUPT during the time of this scandal. I am a Duke Alum that had graduated about 8 years before this incident but still lived in the area. I ended up with a “fabricated” misdemeanor assault charge around this time and went to the DA’s office with taped phone calls and email messages that proved that the charges were false. One of the Assistant DA’s told me: “If the evidence does not support your guilt…..we don’t want it because our job is to convict you whether you are guilty or not.” Luckily, the accuser admitted that the police report was fabricated. Needless to say, that person faced no repercussions while my Corporate Career could have been ended.
I think that they missed two of the most crucial points in the aftermath: First, when the exonerated students tried to sue the state and Nifong, the state absolved itself of wrongdoing and Nifong filed for bankruptcy - hence, the money that their families spent to clear their names is mostly unrecoverable. Second, it was ruled that their civil rights were not violated because they do not have civil rights protections, because they are white males... Thus, the courts acknowledged all the wrong-doing that was outlined, but because they are white men, they don't care...
He's making an assumption about them based off their race, living, and color of their skin while also complaining about the media doing the same thing.
@@AdamLovesHorror- To be fair, most 20 year old guys are pretentious little shits. And if they’re college kids from a borderline Ivy League school, and play something like lacrosse, yeah they’re pretty easy to poke fun at.
I had a front row seat to this living in the RDU area. Everyone hated those kids. If you played devil's advocate for them, you were bashed as bad as them. The prosecuter went on TV multiple times talking about DNA going through sleeves and a bunch of other bullshit. It was the biggest story for MONTHS. When it was finally cleared up years later, the story basically disappeared in a week. A prosecuter ruining the reputation and illegally attacking those kids for his own publicity and political gain (he was running for office, DA I believe) and it was barely covered.
yep, the 30 for 30 incredible lies i think does a good job of covering everything about it. the demographic-raleigh vs duke, basically a predominately black city with a university of wealthy white kids. a sheriiff that hated duke, the da as you mention you are correct he was running for office, and went really into the case itself. if you havent seen it you should watch it
@@greenwildblue she did not go to prison or face any punishment at all for falsely accusing those guys and ruining their lives. She went to prison years later for murdering her boyfriend
Two of the players who were accused would eventually end up earning law degrees at a different school and now working for a legal team that works to help wrongly accused prison inmates overturn their convictions.
Duke people are often douches, rich white kids are often douches, not a crazy statement for him to say they’re probably douches. Calling someone a douche isn’t nearly as damning and harmful as accusing them of sexual assault.
@@willharter730 couldn't agree more. All the hearings against kavanaugh approved to me is that he was probably a prep school douchebag when he was in high school and an ivy League douchebag when he was in ivy leagues but it didn't prove to me that he was a sexual assaulter
@@keefdavis244 Duh. That was my point dude. This was before social media. All I had was the news. I thought they were guilty. Then.. years later.. I saw the 30 for 30 which I THEN LEARNED they were NOT GUILTY and it was proven. So you're bashing the ESPN 30 for 30 segment - when it told the truth? I'm confused.
@@nostalgiaman6816 If you believe espn gives you truth, you're programmed. And you're wrong about the story. The duke lacrosse story became NEWS when white America protested the guys being charged.
Funny how the guest starts his description of the Duke Lacrosse players EXACTLY how the media slandered them in that case. Stereotypes can be a real bitch.
@@keefdavis244 And therein you have legal protections allowing you to vote, to live as you like, to not be segregated, to not be discriminated against, in fact be discriminated in favor of, etc etc etc. If you want to be surrounded by 'people of color', there is NOTHING stopping you from going to Africa, South America, etc etc etc. You choose to stay 'surrounded' - and the 'people without color' are rapidly becoming the ones surrounded by you in their own countries, while they've been surrounded by you for decades on the global stage.
Growing up in Durham, NC as a black kid, I was 13 when this happened. We were all taught to believe what was accused. That guy running for office used to fear and anger of the whole city and manipulated a clearly mentally ill girl from the hood (my friends older sister so I know) just so he could get into office. Putting those boys out to rot. It was fucked up
@@taylorhickman84 In hindsight, the prosecutor knew this very well. He used her to advance himself. Those boys lost their season and were shamed. And she (apparently) never recovered from the ridicule and deteriorated mentally even more than she already was
Duke Lacrosse was an embarrassment for Duke and my hometown of Durham. It is a permanent black eye on our community that will NEVER go away, and will be always used as an example of what false accusations can lead to. The three biggest examples of false accusations perpetrated by the media are: 1. Richard Jewell, 2. Duke Lacrosse, 3. Covington Catholic Kids. There are many more out there, but each of these three show how horrible the media can and often does get, and all three represent different decades in recent history (90s, 2000s, and 2010s).
Jim Brown played Lacrosse for Syracuse. He is considered by many to be the greatest lacrosse player ever, according to the National Lacrosse Hall of Fame. He is the only person to be inducted into the Halls of Fame for pro football, college football and lacrosse.
Ok 1 black guy in lacrosse ! Lol but honestly that just shows black ppl would take over alot of things if given the chance lol n they've known that for A LONG time
I’m really not sure about the POC thing… Then again I’ve never been OK with being called a black person when I am clearly brown… The day we can all just check American will be the day we’ve moved forward I think…
'Living entity' covers it all. It would be awesome if (one day), no country was allowed to 'have a flag' and promote an agenda of 'us vs them', also. In the end, the common enemy we ALL SHARE... is Time & the Universe. Fighting amongst ourselves is just going to seal ALL of our collective Fates. Black... White... Chinese... tall, short, fat or stupid. All of us. #wakeup
Youve reminded me of the Jimi Hendrix dick cavett interview where jimi talks about playing the national anthem, it's on UA-cam. We may have been there once, I hope we get there again. We are all Americans if we are born here, it's doesn't need any other descriptor, unless the person wants it.
This event was my watershed moment that something had changed in our culture. I've told this story to my 15 year old son that being a straight, white, male in college puts a target on your back.
Lol these Duke guys really can't get a break huh, even though he knows they're completely innocent and had their lives ruined for no reason he still feels the need to call them 'douchebags' and load the story so you don't feel too bad for them. Stay classy.
Hey, the other guy the prosecutor (Nifong) withheld evidence against served over a decade in jail before the Innocence Project got him feed. Those silver spoon boys should realize it could have been a lot worse.
@@jonnovak6856 if some whack stripper dances for 5 minutes and then leaves, you definitely didn't get your money's worth. Why don't you sit down, ok, kiddo?
I feel bad that these men had their lives unjustifiably ruined by false accusations. However, I do not feel bad that wealthy white college athletes who hired black strippers to come their house party are being called "douchebags." It can be both.
Yeah what kind of guys are sitting around having a party and decide ‘hey, lets call over some strippers!’. Sound like douchebags would do/think something like that no?
Any defendant who is innocent needs to take a look at the press conference David Evans (one of the co-captains and one of the 3 accused) held right before he was going to court to see what to say. It's a masterpiece of how to respond. It's not easy to find but worth the time.
@@leetrengove what’s remarkable is, the journalists and activists came off as bitter and ambivalent-the lacrosse kids were the only ones that actually learned something meaningful from the experience!
@ShootinTheShit you need money to even get shush money. common society is too dumb and straightforward to ever fully apply that. just like how we push for right to repair, when we have fully lost the whole rights and ability to execute it. sort of like pigs crying and screeching when they realise there in a slaughterhouse. looks like im next.
When I was in collage there was a girl who was known for having compulsive lying issues. She managed to get 12 people arrested for "rape" in her first semester alone. She was well known for going to parties, getting extremely drunk, and then aggressively pursing guys to take home before calling the cops in the morning. The frat houses tried to solve this by word of mouth however this didn't work as she generally targeted freshmen who either didn't know or were too drunk to care. As this did not work the frat and sorority houses banned her from parties. This of course caused an uproar among the left wing disciplines and activist groups. It culminated when the dean (a very respected female) suggested to the girl that she not attend these parties. This was the spark that set off the explosion. The weekend after we had dozens of black charter buses show up to drop of hundreds of protesters who occupied our facilities to protest "blaming rape victims". Of course our dean was fired and the associated hashtag trended globally on twitter and was even mentioned on the daily show. The last incident before I graduated was rather shocking. This same girl made the accusation that 5 people from our basketball team gang raped her in the parking lot late at night. It didn't matter that the dorm cameras, guard, and scan in system showed she did not leave the dorm that night. It did not matter that all 5 of the accused has provable alibis showing they weren't even near campus, it didn't matter that the parking lot cameras showed nothing, and it didn't matter the rape kit came up with nothing. The college revoked all of the accused sports scholarships because they were terrified of the woke mob.
Eye opening because I honestly had no idea the Duke lacrosse players were proven innocent. Didn't hear about that after hearing so much about the case so I thought they were actually guilty. :(
Duke Lacrosse, George Zimmerman....the media attempted to do the same to the Covington Catholic kids but that backfired. To this day none of the media has corrected or apologized to what they did to Zimmerman.
@@aceinthehole193 It's not bad, Chris and Sal are pretty good together. But with the no swearing and not really discussing anything edgy, it really lacks the bite that the HH podcast had, they were saying some wild stuff there.
And also don't forget the lead detective on the case. He also was found guilty for tampering with the accuser's statement....and then he suey-sizzled himself....it was really horrific how these LaCrosse players were targeted on so many sides.
Similar thing happened at my school. Two girls on a bus were wasted and started screaming and hitting people around them. They posted about how everyone on the bus was racist and were trying to sexually harass them… and then the security footage came out lol
keemstar falsely accused RsGloryandGold (a runescape streamer whos like 80) of pedophilia and then barely apologized to Tony (Rsgloryandgold) and really just didn't give a shit about it
I live in Durham nc ill never forgot this story, the only reason the guys got justice is because they had the money to fight it.. if it were me or you we'd still be sitting in jail
Yep. I played for fifteen years and have coached ever since. I by no means came from a rich family and most of the kids I have coached are from middle class families. Now, some of the teams we play are definitely upper class. Kids driving cars worth more then my house. Crazy.
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I went to Bryant University and personally know the Coach that was fired from Duke (he came to Bryant later that year, as it was the only school to offer him a job post-Duke). He was still doing interviews and was in settlement talks with Duke at the time. He brought the players in question to talk to the team and suffice it to say they were humbled by the experience. Coach Pressler is still at Bryant and credits his lengthy stay there to "loyalty". Bryant was the only school to offer him a job when he was going through the worst time in his life. He has since received offers from Blue Chip D1 programs and turned them down to repay the favor. That's class...
Love hearing some solid stories like this once and a while. Hard to find loyalty these days.
It's so weird how often the social media 'bad guys' turn out to be 100x better people than the 'good guys'. The cultural narrative is not just warped, not just broken, it's flipped upside down. Truths are un-PC so are substituted with falsehoods, reality is offensive thus denied, weakness is strength, etc.
@@paulw5039 yup
The shittiest people
On the planet r those blue checks
Going to Bryant for my first year in 30 days lol
@@burgeranus5725 have fun & congratulations!!!
I saw a video of woman beating herself up and claimed her boyfriend did it, lucky he had cameras. The punishment for fake accusations should be brutal.
My most recent (NPD/BPD) ex gf used to hit herself during fits of episodal Anxiety. I begged her to stop, constantly trying to get her to seek help. It sucked seeing her that way. 😓😓😓
I can't be certain if she tried using 'claimed abuse' as a method of getting attention from time to time, but... shortly after I broke up with her, I essentially became 'socially invisible'. Besides, her friends constantly looked at me like I was 'dangerous' and acted suspicious around me. I noticed.
Even this post is SUPER unlikely to be seen. Maybe even years into the future, it'll still have been seen by no one.
But... I'm trying to become 'unghosted / un-shadow banned'.
It is what it is.
Should equal the punishment if the crime had occurred.
A lady from human resources where I work once told my co-worker and I that the reason women get less punishment when they lie about sexual assault is because it would discourage real victims from coming forward for fear that they will also get punished in case they can't prove it. I stayed quiet.
There have been plenty of cases similar to this. It makes you wonder how many times men have been falsely convicted based on 'he-said, she-said' evidence, due to lack of video or other real evidence.
My business partner’s ex did this. She destroyed her house, injured herself, and called the cops blaming him. Luckily, unbeknownst to her we’d flown to Vegas two days before. NOTHING happened to her. Police wouldn’t press charges and the divorce court was like “meh, just a mother under duress.” Until women face the same accountability as men this stuff isn’t going to change.
You know what this reminds me of? The fact that Thomas Sowell should be on this podcast before he dies. He's 90+ years old. Get the man on the podcast ASAP!
I second that motion
I agree. What a great man
Yessss
Hell yeah
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It gets worse.
One of the players had proof he wasn't at the party. He was in a taxi across town. The cops REFUSED to listen to the driver. When the taxi driver went public, HE WAS ARRESTED on a shoplifting warrant that was two years old. The kicker, he wasn't the shoplifter. He was arrested because they (the accused shoplifters) rode in his taxi.
play it safe all the time we can must never fully trust no stranger and even authorities
I looked up what happened to the Duke Lacrosse prosecutor and though was disbarred he only spent a single day in prison. The scumbag had to declare bankruptcy after the players sued him for 180 million in damages.
WOW!!
He and his brother were friends of mine growing up.
Mike was a great guy from a wonderful family.
Apparently his ambition blinded him . Destroyed his life as he was trying to obtain wrongful convictions.
Tragic.
Yeah on the lawyers wiki there was a murder case where the lawyer did the same thing and the convicted served 20 years for suppressed DNA evidence that would have exonerated him.
@@ronbrock738 I hope you feel zero sympathy for him. Wrongful convictions can ruin lives worse than Mike ruined his own
@@ronbrock738 - sorry but mike the DA isn’t the victim here. He ruined people’s lives willingly. You’re lucky you got away from him.
The apology should be as loud and frequent as the disrespect
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The audience doesn’t care about that. The public only cares about taking someone down.
thats a cold ass instagram caption if anybody needs one right now
God damn...well F'ing said!
It should be, but that doesn’t get clicks and views and bottom line, money. So it’s the fault of the consumers as well who are part of this cycle but complain about it. But the onus really is on the journalist.
"The battle is won when the average American regards a corporate journalist exactly as they regard a tobacco executive" - Michael Malice.
yup, Media is the enemy. you can hear when a independent journalist is making critical reporting as opposed too "telling you how you should think and feel."
Totally agree.. Its the media that runs governments like the tail wagging the dog
@Nick Damen thats the point
@@codylarkhart261 independent is the wrong word, unbiased would be a better word. Some independant journalists also "tell you how you should think and feel".
@@mikehawk8526 tuché.
Yannis Pappa watches Actual Justice Warrior confirmed?
He should! Sean is great
yo he DEF got that from AJW
For real, what're the odds this random story comes up
@sfairraid 13 much love
I thought so too lol
Also absolutely love your channel!
You left out the Rolling Stone story that was written about them and completely discredited. The reporter was fired and there was a large monetary settlement from the magazine.
You’re thinking of a different case.
@Frank Rauen Yes you're right thanks
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@Gary Snow That was the Tawana Brawley case.
A different case (mattress girl), but the fact there are multiple cases like this shows there is a problem with the cultural narrative.
The worst part was that the prosecution *knew* the allegations were bullshit when the evidence was coming in and they still pushed for it. The main prosecutor got 1 day in jail.
Bs. He should've gotten the full prison time he was trying to push (by lying) on these kids.
@@jordanwelty6582 That should be the praxis for any false allegations cases. Those knowingly perpetuating false allegations should get the maximum sentence for the charge in question.
@@Hjaelteomslag agreed
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Well they’ve been doing this to a certain group of people for years…ehhhmmm Emit Till.
Duke University had to pay three players $20 million dollars each. An ad appeared in the campus newspaper attacking the players that was signed by eighty faculty members. I remember one of the mothers being quoted as saying nobody was going to treat her son that way. I guess the geniuses in the Duke Faculty Lounge didn’t realize that if you play Lacrosse for Duke, you are probably strong, tough, smart, and your family probably has a lot of money and know some very good lawyers.
Agree. Something that’s just as crazy is the Penn State Scandal. Just like here, when te layers are peeled, media is exposed.
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Even worse, one of the main faculty members who led the charge against them (and eventually became my boss as a professor at Duke) was asked 10 years later whether she regretted her role in accusing the kids of rape. Her answer: no. She was subsequently promoted, of course, because she was a black woman.
Idk why people don’t talk about how the da in this case was disbarred, and the false accuser is in prison for murder lol
"It doesn't matter if it's true, because the media made it true."
@@petesahad3028 yea that’s why he put it in quotations
Mark Twain "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes."
In the first 30 seconds describing the case he did the exact same thing the media did.
I thought the same thing, he just did a micro version of what the media did.
Yeah he sounded like a total douche.
Facts. Came off like a douche bag
I said the same thing, some people are obvious
@@ryanself82 and oblivious.
That's why I've been saying for years that whenever the media and the press get something as wrong as Duke lacrosse that their corrections should cover the same amount of page space as the original stories ,, and if all it is is blank paper with a small correction in it of a few words then that's what it'll look like,,, that would help stop that shit..
And that would stop them doing it in the first place? They'd probably sell even more copies making the entire cycle profitable.
@@happinesstan If they ran huge front page stories full of lies then had to use THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE for the corrections and retractions they might just think twice.....
The lawsuits help too, hit them in their pocket so they'll think twice and the victims get rich.
That's not a bad idea.
I don’t think it would stop them at all. They just don’t care if you know that it’s lies or not. It’s only the narrative that counts.
Being a college lacrosse player we have had to live with this narrative and generalizations about lacrosse even though it was proven untrue
It sucks because its not my first assumption about white males competing in rigorous sports
ESPN’s “Fantastic Lies” was one of the best docs I’ve seen.
Espn is all about lies and agenda pushing
It’s my favorite and one of the best 30 for 30s they have ever written and filmed.
Dedicated a good watch. It is was introduced .e to the series
Lacrosse players and journalism, where's Tim Dillon at
Lol
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Tim Dillon is a God and that's why I pay 5bucks a month for his show
A corporate steakhouse probably
Currently busy on a fake buisness call
If you still believe in journalism, you haven't been paying attention.
True journalists are still are out there...but they’re not the pundits forced down our throats 24/7
If you don't think a journalist would target a child with false accusations that end with the kid's life in ruins, you haven't been paying attention to the literature.
The fact that you started the conversation with "they were douchebags" just because they were white lacrosse players shows there's still a way to go...
Nah, they were for sure a bunch of DB's!
Facts don't care about your feelings
I hate most LAX Bros I encounter, but very true. Even now, the guy still can’t fully defend these guys wronging a POC
Thank you! I was thinking same thing!!! Those boys went through hell!!! Dude is foul
Bunch of straight -A students at a difficult academic school="douchebags"? would you say the same if they weren't white? I suppose only POC earn their spot at college, oh that's right, UNCF and Affirmative action still openly discriminate against whites.
I think this dude watched the Actual Justice Warrior story, and that's what got him talking about this. Because his story literally came out a few days before this podcast. If you haven't watched it, you should. AJW did a very good job on it, he always does
Very coincidental, isn’t it? 🤔
He literally said he was watching it on the plane
@@9HighFlyer9 well, he never said what he was watching. He started too, then didn't finish
@@dennisyoungblood349 @Dennis Youngblood "I'll tell you what I was watching on the plane was this... Do you remember the Duke Lacrosse players?" that sounds to me like he told the audience/Joe that he was watching a video about the Duke Lacrosse players.
@@9HighFlyer9 yeah, I'm just saying what I think he was watching specifically, the Actual Justice Warrior's video about what happened. Because that video literally came out 2 days before this happened. I don't see the problem here
No mention of the pernicious influence that the Rev Al Sharpton had on this case.
He did the same thing in the Tawana Brawley case
@Anderson Cooper 🥱Boring and ignorant. You're really going out of your way to represent your name there.🙄
Nah this guy doesn't even know the full story, the stripper was literally giving any excuse possible because the hospital wanted to send her to a psych evaluation. Random nurse asked if she was assaulted and she saw an out
AJW taught me that
Also how for the "photo lineup" the police showed her pictures only of all the white lacrosse players. There was one black player on the team and they didn't show her his photo. 100% NOT how lineups are supposed to work because it's impossible for her to be wrong...basically they said here are pics of all the white players, pick which ones you want us to charge
@@BlyGuy who is AJW?
@@nickc3856 actual justice warrior, search on yt, he has a recent video about this case
She later attempted to murder her boy friend and then committed suicide.
Just imagine if this happened to you and you didn't have rich enough parents to hire you a good lawyer if these guys had public defender's they would have went to prison
Look up Patrice O'Neal's story on why he went to jail
*defenders. No apostrophe. Just add "s" to pluralize.
@@QS-si3cq🤓
The Duke story was the tipping point for me to realize how shit the media is. The insane hyperbole and witch hunt mentality that was literally brushed under the rug as if it never happened was astonishing.
"The Actual Justice Warrior" just did a great piece on this.
Yup, he did a great job.
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I’d love for Joe to get AJW on with Kyle Kulinski and Krystal Ball
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Sean!! I saw that, and had no idea those kids had been exonerated. I never followed the case closely, but the media is exceptionally good at covering up their misdeeds. Just like so many people don’t even know CNN had rescinded their story about the Capitol officer being “beaten to death with a fire extinguisher.” (Oops jk guys he died of an unrelated heart condition. But we’ll still use his death for political advantage. For SHAME.)
“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” Once the seed of a toxic narrative has taken root in peoples minds, it often doesn’t matter what truth is revealed later. People believe what suits their ego.
Tracy Morgan on 30 Rock: "I want to make so much money that my grandkids play lacrosse."
Why is Lacrosse so tied to rich people? A lacrosse stick can't be all that much and the team could likely supply pads/helmet, at least for those that can't afford to buy their own.
@@BlyGuy wrong
@@jarrettvoigt7840 nah you’re wrong
@@jarrettvoigt7840 I learned so much from your reply Jarrett. Thanks. Maybe next time, explain why I am wrong since I'm clearly not a lax guy and also asked a direct question in my comment.
Lacrosse does cost some money, more than something like soccer or basketball but definitely less than hockey. Just back in the day it used to cost money and the only schools that played were rich New England private schools. Over the years more and more schools around the country have the sport and it’s gotten relatively cheaper.
The Durham County DA’s office was collectively as a group CORRUPT during the time of this scandal.
I am a Duke Alum that had graduated about 8 years before this incident but still lived in the area.
I ended up with a “fabricated” misdemeanor assault charge around this time and went to the DA’s office with taped phone calls and email messages that proved that the charges were false.
One of the Assistant DA’s told me:
“If the evidence does not support your guilt…..we don’t want it because our job is to convict you whether you are guilty or not.”
Luckily, the accuser admitted that the police report was fabricated. Needless to say, that person faced no repercussions while my Corporate Career could have been ended.
I think that they missed two of the most crucial points in the aftermath:
First, when the exonerated students tried to sue the state and Nifong, the state absolved itself of wrongdoing and Nifong filed for bankruptcy - hence, the money that their families spent to clear their names is mostly unrecoverable.
Second, it was ruled that their civil rights were not violated because they do not have civil rights protections, because they are white males...
Thus, the courts acknowledged all the wrong-doing that was outlined, but because they are white men, they don't care...
Those guys got railroaded.
I love how we're so comfortable calling the victims in this situation douche bags while saying nothing disparaging about the perpetrators.
Well they're a douchebags who cares
He's making an assumption about them based off their race, living, and color of their skin while also complaining about the media doing the same thing.
The difference is white vs black
@@AdamLovesHorrorI'm assuming they're also douchebags because they're heterosexual guys who like women giving them lap dances and showing their tits.
@@AdamLovesHorror- To be fair, most 20 year old guys are pretentious little shits. And if they’re college kids from a borderline Ivy League school, and play something like lacrosse, yeah they’re pretty easy to poke fun at.
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. inspirational quote.
I had a front row seat to this living in the RDU area. Everyone hated those kids. If you played devil's advocate for them, you were bashed as bad as them. The prosecuter went on TV multiple times talking about DNA going through sleeves and a bunch of other bullshit. It was the biggest story for MONTHS. When it was finally cleared up years later, the story basically disappeared in a week. A prosecuter ruining the reputation and illegally attacking those kids for his own publicity and political gain (he was running for office, DA I believe) and it was barely covered.
UNC Chapel hill is filled with sjws
yep, the 30 for 30 incredible lies i think does a good job of covering everything about it. the demographic-raleigh vs duke, basically a predominately black city with a university of wealthy white kids. a sheriiff that hated duke, the da as you mention you are correct he was running for office, and went really into the case itself. if you havent seen it you should watch it
The Duke Lacrosse Team would be a great name for an all girl rock band.
Why
Lmao
No it’s a better porn name for a dude
sounds lame and nothing like a rock band at all!
"Nobody from the ghetto plays lacrosse" -yannis
Except litterally every reservation....
What an idiot
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Ignorant old white guys 😅😅 gotta love em eh
@@trevorbulzing6567 your right the urban ghetto has running water
Wasn't Jim Brown an all American lacrosse player, but he may not be from the ghetto.
Women who falsely accuse men of rape should go to prison.
She is in prison.
@@greenwildblue why is that bud?
@@greenwildblue she did not go to prison or face any punishment at all for falsely accusing those guys and ruining their lives. She went to prison years later for murdering her boyfriend
Two of the players who were accused would eventually end up earning law degrees at a different school and now working for a legal team that works to help wrongly accused prison inmates overturn their convictions.
This guys criticizes the media for baselessly maligning the Duke kids, while he baselessly maligns the Duke kids
Duke people are often douches, rich white kids are often douches, not a crazy statement for him to say they’re probably douches. Calling someone a douche isn’t nearly as damning and harmful as accusing them of sexual assault.
@@willharter730 you’re absolutely right-calling someone a douche is not as bad as falsely accusing them of rape
@@canucks255 lmao I’m glad we can agree
@@willharter730 couldn't agree more. All the hearings against kavanaugh approved to me is that he was probably a prep school douchebag when he was in high school and an ivy League douchebag when he was in ivy leagues but it didn't prove to me that he was a sexual assaulter
@Will Harter that kind of thinking fueled the entire thing though.
I remember thinking they were all guilty until I saw the ESPN 30 for 30. Blew my mind.
You're programmed.
Espn 30 for 30? The most mainstream media of all media??
@@keefdavis244 Duh. That was my point dude. This was before social media. All I had was the news. I thought they were guilty. Then.. years later.. I saw the 30 for 30 which I THEN LEARNED they were NOT GUILTY and it was proven. So you're bashing the ESPN 30 for 30 segment - when it told the truth? I'm confused.
@@nostalgiaman6816
If you believe espn gives you truth, you're programmed.
And you're wrong about the story. The duke lacrosse story became NEWS when white America protested the guys being charged.
Dude wtf are you on? What you're saying doesn't invalidate his first statement.
@@lancinekeita4823 Are you talking to me or Keef?
The ESPN 30 for 30 on this is shocking
Funny how the guest starts his description of the Duke Lacrosse players EXACTLY how the media slandered them in that case. Stereotypes can be a real bitch.
Alot of stereotypes are true. Im italian and i spit when i talk.
@@Handletakentryagain Do you also like Van Hagar?
> PoCs are disenfranchised
How exactly?
We're surrounded by people without color.
@@jonnovak6856 Of course not.
Novak? Hmm, are you Jewish?
@@keefdavis244 You mean those who proved they can sustain a productive society on their own?
@@keefdavis244 And therein you have legal protections allowing you to vote, to live as you like, to not be segregated, to not be discriminated against, in fact be discriminated in favor of, etc etc etc. If you want to be surrounded by 'people of color', there is NOTHING stopping you from going to Africa, South America, etc etc etc. You choose to stay 'surrounded' - and the 'people without color' are rapidly becoming the ones surrounded by you in their own countries, while they've been surrounded by you for decades on the global stage.
@@jonnovak6856 Pattern recognition.
I know where it comes from, but you still haven't answered the question.
Fantastic lies is the name of the documentary on the Duke lacrosse players. It's amazing
It’s one of the best 30 for 30s that has ever been aired
@@ShaolinIsland ironically airing on espn when they were one of the biggest media outlets pushing the BS story.
Growing up in Durham, NC as a black kid, I was 13 when this happened. We were all taught to believe what was accused. That guy running for office used to fear and anger of the whole city and manipulated a clearly mentally ill girl from the hood (my friends older sister so I know) just so he could get into office. Putting those boys out to rot. It was fucked up
@@GBullockNC She's currently serving time for murder, so I think the "mentally ill" accusation holds up.
@@taylorhickman84 In hindsight, the prosecutor knew this very well. He used her to advance himself. Those boys lost their season and were shamed. And she (apparently) never recovered from the ridicule and deteriorated mentally even more than she already was
That prosecutor was today’s Fauci, except we caught Fauci lying in emails and he is still holding his position
Duke Lacrosse was an embarrassment for Duke and my hometown of Durham. It is a permanent black eye on our community that will NEVER go away, and will be always used as an example of what false accusations can lead to. The three biggest examples of false accusations perpetrated by the media are: 1. Richard Jewell, 2. Duke Lacrosse, 3. Covington Catholic Kids. There are many more out there, but each of these three show how horrible the media can and often does get, and all three represent different decades in recent history (90s, 2000s, and 2010s).
Can we also count the Depp-Amber trial for the 2020s?
Jim Brown played Lacrosse for Syracuse. He is considered by many to be the greatest lacrosse player ever, according to the National Lacrosse Hall of Fame. He is the only person to be inducted into the Halls of Fame for pro football, college football and lacrosse.
And?
Ok 1 black guy in lacrosse ! Lol but honestly that just shows black ppl would take over alot of things if given the chance lol n they've known that for A LONG time
@@trentejames9773 “take over a lot of things” yea maybe sports and music idk what else lol
@@Draughtsatsuma6 Louis Lattimer, Percy Julian, Granville Woods, Horace King and Daniel Hale Williams would say otherwise.
Gary gait.. that's all I gotta say
I’m really not sure about the POC thing… Then again I’ve never been OK with being called a black person when I am clearly brown… The day we can all just check American will be the day we’ve moved forward I think…
'Living entity' covers it all.
It would be awesome if (one day), no country was allowed to 'have a flag' and promote an agenda of 'us vs them', also.
In the end, the common enemy we ALL SHARE... is Time & the Universe.
Fighting amongst ourselves is just going to seal ALL of our collective Fates. Black... White... Chinese... tall, short, fat or stupid. All of us.
#wakeup
agree
@@Novastar.SaberCombat yeees!!! ❤️❤️❤️
Y'all are living in a dream world hahaha.
Youve reminded me of the Jimi Hendrix dick cavett interview where jimi talks about playing the national anthem, it's on UA-cam. We may have been there once, I hope we get there again.
We are all Americans if we are born here, it's doesn't need any other descriptor, unless the person wants it.
5:25 he did the chimp intro sound! Lol
"A lie can make it around the world before the truth has time to put its pants on." Somebody
Mark Twain.
I would like to see Yannis Pappas and Tim Pool discuss their time with Fusion together.
Have you seen
Elon Musk meets Post Malone
It’s too funny! 👽 😂 😆
thought the same when he mentioned working for Fusion!
I do to, because I can't find anything about this company existing other then these two talking about it.
They’re Activists masked as Journalists.
Journactivists
If you prove someone lied about the crimes they accuse others of they should be expected to spend the max punishment for said crime. PERIOD.
This event was my watershed moment that something had changed in our culture. I've told this story to my 15 year old son that being a straight, white, male in college puts a target on your back.
I feel like this comment lacks perspective.
Lol these Duke guys really can't get a break huh, even though he knows they're completely innocent and had their lives ruined for no reason he still feels the need to call them 'douchebags' and load the story so you don't feel too bad for them. Stay classy.
Hey, the other guy the prosecutor (Nifong) withheld evidence against served over a decade in jail before the Innocence Project got him feed. Those silver spoon boys should realize it could have been a lot worse.
@@jonnovak6856 if some whack stripper dances for 5 minutes and then leaves, you definitely didn't get your money's worth. Why don't you sit down, ok, kiddo?
I feel bad that these men had their lives unjustifiably ruined by false accusations. However, I do not feel bad that wealthy white college athletes who hired black strippers to come their house party are being called "douchebags." It can be both.
How do you know they're not douchebags, they could be odds are they probably are.
Yeah what kind of guys are sitting around having a party and decide ‘hey, lets call over some strippers!’. Sound like douchebags would do/think something like that no?
Any defendant who is innocent needs to take a look at the press conference David Evans (one of the co-captains and one of the 3 accused) held right before he was going to court to see what to say. It's a masterpiece of how to respond. It's not easy to find but worth the time.
Yeah I just watched the 30 for 30 story on this and his statement is on there. Very impressive
Not easy to find?! You can find it under "David Evans Press conference". Who had thought.
Thanks for the clip tip!
@@leetrengove what’s remarkable is, the journalists and activists came off as bitter and ambivalent-the lacrosse kids were the only ones that actually learned something meaningful from the experience!
The past few years the Duke case has been popping in and out of my mind… crazy true.
"It was all bullshit" imagine my shock! lol
Anyone else notice how he dropped the "ad free" part off his spotify plug at the end? Been hearing alot of ads even though I have a premium account
@ShootinTheShit you need money to even get shush money. common society is too dumb and straightforward to ever fully apply that.
just like how we push for right to repair, when we have fully lost the whole rights and ability to execute it.
sort of like pigs crying and screeching when they realise there in a slaughterhouse. looks like im next.
Joe's shirt fits both perfectly and horribly at the same time, I'm in awe
When I was in collage there was a girl who was known for having compulsive lying issues. She managed to get 12 people arrested for "rape" in her first semester alone. She was well known for going to parties, getting extremely drunk, and then aggressively pursing guys to take home before calling the cops in the morning. The frat houses tried to solve this by word of mouth however this didn't work as she generally targeted freshmen who either didn't know or were too drunk to care. As this did not work the frat and sorority houses banned her from parties. This of course caused an uproar among the left wing disciplines and activist groups. It culminated when the dean (a very respected female) suggested to the girl that she not attend these parties. This was the spark that set off the explosion. The weekend after we had dozens of black charter buses show up to drop of hundreds of protesters who occupied our facilities to protest "blaming rape victims". Of course our dean was fired and the associated hashtag trended globally on twitter and was even mentioned on the daily show. The last incident before I graduated was rather shocking. This same girl made the accusation that 5 people from our basketball team gang raped her in the parking lot late at night. It didn't matter that the dorm cameras, guard, and scan in system showed she did not leave the dorm that night. It did not matter that all 5 of the accused has provable alibis showing they weren't even near campus, it didn't matter that the parking lot cameras showed nothing, and it didn't matter the rape kit came up with nothing. The college revoked all of the accused sports scholarships because they were terrified of the woke mob.
Wow. Tell me the name of this case, I want to research it.
What's the case name??
What was the name of the girl.
@@ivansepulveda854 any luck finding it ?
Eye opening because I honestly had no idea the Duke lacrosse players were proven innocent. Didn't hear about that after hearing so much about the case so I thought they were actually guilty. :(
The media should be held accountable.
This guy was even afraid to say “person of color” .
He is joking for fucks sake
hahaha hilarious you and 13 other people think he's serious
We need to collectively force the legal system to apply penalities to false accusers.
The guy telling us how the press maligned the Lacrosse players while calling them douchebags the whole time.
When he makes the claim, "all Lacrosse players are uppity douchebags" he seems to contradict his premise that we shouldn't jump to conclusions.
@Jay Porter as a former collegiate lacrosse player, good. Lacrosse is much more liberal than people think, it’s nice to see them turn on their own.
Journalism is anything that gets someone to click
Then Pornhub should win a Pullitzer.
You hear more jokes about journalists than you do lawyers these days.
Duke Lacrosse, George Zimmerman....the media attempted to do the same to the Covington Catholic kids but that backfired. To this day none of the media has corrected or apologized to what they did to Zimmerman.
Chris must be seriously butthurt that Yanni is doing JRE again while he still hasn't done it 😂
Hey babe is better than hyenas
@@aceinthehole193 It's not bad, Chris and Sal are pretty good together. But with the no swearing and not really discussing anything edgy, it really lacks the bite that the HH podcast had, they were saying some wild stuff there.
And also don't forget the lead detective on the case. He also was found guilty for tampering with the accuser's statement....and then he suey-sizzled himself....it was really horrific how these LaCrosse players were targeted on so many sides.
Well, it didn’t help that you started out by calling them douchey la crosse players. You’re kinda perpetuating that narrative yourself there too, bud.
He's afraid to say what their race was... that was odd
It was a joke.
Apparently it's racist to say what people look like these days
*Tawana BRAWLEY, 1987*
The news has been a "show" since WR Hearst started publishing.
Yellow Journalism knows no bounds.
Similar thing happened at my school. Two girls on a bus were wasted and started screaming and hitting people around them. They posted about how everyone on the bus was racist and were trying to sexually harass them… and then the security footage came out lol
The 30 for 30 by ESPN on the duke lacrosse case was really good.
I used to work for Fusion. Did anybody else get that Tim pool moment
Haha, exactly! Like here we go again, the preacher time by Timmy Boi
yes, or yes.
is that the degenerate that never takes his hat off ever because of his insecurity on his own hair?
Sounds like what Keemstar does every day.
keemstar falsely accused RsGloryandGold (a runescape streamer whos like 80) of pedophilia and then barely apologized to Tony (Rsgloryandgold) and really just didn't give a shit about it
Actual Justice Warrior is spreading. I'm proud.
Prosecutor withholding evidence... Wouldn't have been Kamala would it? Lol 🤣
5:27 Guests are realizing they can maintain Joe's attention mentioning monkeys
a lie travels halfway around the world before the truth can put its pants on.
I live in Durham nc ill never forgot this story, the only reason the guys got justice is because they had the money to fight it.. if it were me or you we'd still be sitting in jail
Very true and horrifying
Everyone should watch that 30 for 30. Eye opening.
The algorithms will make you nuts, you have to get off the platforms when you see that it’s changing you. Scary stuff
Plenty of lacrosse players are not "uppity" and come from lower income families. The sport has evolved immensely.
Absolutely
Yep. I played for fifteen years and have coached ever since. I by no means came from a rich family and most of the kids I have coached are from middle class families. Now, some of the teams we play are definitely upper class. Kids driving cars worth more then my house. Crazy.
Yannis n rogen stoned = gold
Joe needs to get John Ziegler on to talk about the Penn State Scandal. It will blow your mind!!!
The lawyer served a whopping 24 hours in jail.
The channel Actual Justice Warrior has a great video breaking down the evidence and legal details of this case
“Calling people out”
“Yelling people….down”
“Shouting people… uh, over”
That's the problem with disinformation/misinformation in general - if it's out there first, it can be nearly impossible to combat it.
I didn't know the truth until now. That is crazy!
Goes to show you how damaging bad journalism is
"Should you be able to make money off the news?" This is one of the more cerebral questions I've heard from Joe.
Many people still think they were guilty and don't know the full story.
Tawana Brawley all over again. And this was before the scourge of social media. Imagine what would have happened today.
Damn... Yanni is on jre again?? That was quick.. i might just have to watch this whole episode
I remember the story but didn’t remember them being exonerated, damn
I have to give credit to Leslie Stahl . Her reporting for 60 minutes was excellent and she never let go of the story.
The District attorney was disbarred but he NEVER served time. Disgusting
Larry Elder for California Governor! Spread the word everywhere, especially cali residents!
be an advocate, get the word out! theres not much time... the election is in less than 2 months, sept 14th!
This election is all about turnout and might be the only serious shot we get to turn the state red!
For freedom.
Lets gooo!!!!
"You can lose a fight, but you can't win a surrender." - Andrew Klavan
You sound like a homosexual
@@roejogan1341 You sound like a box of deplorables.
@@roejogan1341 Any "sound" you imagined while reading came directly from your own mind. Something to think about.
Joe should have Larry on. He's such a fun/funny guy, I think they would have an awesome time together.
@@HondAcura111 I thought about it and my mind tells me your a flaaaming homosexual.