if you told me 6 years ago that the person who got me into NCT & was my bias left the group a few years after over a scandal i literally wouldn’t believe you 😭
Maybe because you cant be absolutely absent from the industry for 2 years and expect no impact on sales?? And not to forget that mist of his IG popularity comes from international fans, not SK or China, and it defenitely has impact on sales!!! All in all, Lucas should continue being active, i hope SM will learn from their own mistakes, we fans will support him no matter what!
"He wasn't affected by it" Man was literally forced left one of the biggest kpop groups and suffered mentally for 6 months and more!???? Can't we just forget his scandal now!?Even he himself forgot his past so why are we bringing those scandals now? He is happy now and people who genuinely love him will support him till the end. I watched all the dance practice videos and i was so happy that he is very connected with his dancers. They helped him alot for the choreo and yeah Renegade is a BOP!
Everyone knows that idols aren't humans with thoughts and emotions and if they ever make a mistake you should literally milk every moment of everyday till death do you apart 😒😒
I personally loved his debut song and I don't think he flopped and maybe some people might be not liking it because his new album came after documentary but I'm completely fine with it
Renegade really did feel like he was talking about the "betrayal" he got from fans and how the industry also Betrayed him it felt personal when u look at the translation or the CC it did feel more personal for him.
Leave it to kpop fans to complain that meaningful lyrics and real life messages are underrated and under promoted. Then turn around and complain that the catchy unrelated song wasn’t chosen as the title track, because it “would’ve scored better” and “fits the usual vibe” Let’s not. This comeback was the right move.
He was on hiatus for 3 years he was literally inactive with no news about him at all, you can’t compare this to ppl who are active in their groups + going solo in between comebacks + doing multiple high profile interviews/variety shows/magazine covers & interviews.., he’s doing really well considering everything + he’s not doing any promotions as well, just the music shows which is bare minimum promotion. Give Lucas some slack, they’re making him come back slowly, he’s doing really well, his fans love him and support him, and he’ll continue to grow.
@@pinguuthepenguin This might be your opinion and maybe it is not suitable for your music taste. But when you look at his case and match it with the lyrics of the song, i think it's suitable. It's better to have a song as a slapback to the haters than a cheesy lovesong. (other idols do the same by the way) At the end he had to suffer a lot and it is understandable, that he wants to declare his position and show that he is strong.
flop??? Wth Lucas debuted just a few DAYS ago and already reached 1.6M streams on Spotify after 2-3 years on hiatus because of a big scandal and NO promotes lol ps: he is not even promoting his song in the same way other idols usually do
Lmao not yall disliking Renegade cuz its not a typical kpop song. personally, he upped his game rapping, and song-wise. I think it was a hit. obviously, wont rack millions, of views instantly, he just CAME back after what two years? bro is doing very good for a soloist,literally, relax and support him.
Aespa didn’t make regular music, nmixx didn’t make regular music, new jeans didn’t make regular music, dreamcatcher didn’t make regular music… what’s your excuse now cow 😂😂😂
@Me-ng3es nahh see the rap was good I feel like even his eng diction was unique and you need that for rap. tho ofc he isnt THAT good of a rapper or well the song didnt showcase his actual rapping talents let say...but I do agree, what does renegade have to do with whatever diss track he put through.
I think bc the Korean public is so critical to EVERYTHING an artist does, SM didn’t want to promote him like normal artists. they kind just were like, “fine. here’s Lucas, alright byeeee” im not even a Lucas fan tbh but they did that man dirty
Lucas really spoke facts when he said he is a fan favorite and this song is not made for YOUR liking it a personal song where he expresses the struggles he has gone through since the scandal things
No he didn't "express" anything. This song and the extremely manipulative freeze documentary were crafted in SM's dungeon to gain sympathy from his delusional fans and it fking work. They only care about money sorry girl.
Lucas deserves every success as a soloist, he is a talent, he has fans that support him, he just needs the right song to give him that hit but it seems his reputation has now been tarnished by 'scandal' and this has somewhat overshadowed his career. Good luck to Lucas, wish him all the best moving forward ♥️
First off Renegade is a BOP, Second he can sing and rap amazingly, Third He can dance his heart out. I bet in the next month or two those chart numbers for his new album will go up. Plus his debut as a soloist just started in the beginning of April, and we are still in this month so its insane to expect him to have higher numbers right now. And another thing I believe he's innocent, and SM failed to protect this man, he was stalked, verbally Harassed and he didn't even know who that Super Fan was. If I were Lucas I would've went to a different company. And the most frustrating part was SM made him apologize when he didn't do anything.
Ok this is my personal opinion or theory but if you resonate lemme know So I think the company are focusing on LUCAS rather then his album doing better. I mean after a HUGE scandal lucas came back on stage after 3 FREAKING YEARS so obviously promoting him a lot will be exhausting for him. He's trying to get back up so maybe they are taking it slow. N also Renegade is a song that was more personal rather than the song being marketed to be one of the best sellers. I think the company wants to take it slow with lucas coz it seems even with one fan supporting him he'd be very grateful and thankful from them. This could also mean that they are trying to build a healthy fandom that ACTUALLY supports him and be there for him. And also personally I think its nly better for lucas to promote less n not be so popular for the time being. You can see that his true fans are with him and supporting him who just want to see lucas happy and at peace again. Taking it slow is the right thing to do ryt now coz he is healing. Personally I listened to his album and waited for him eagerly with one reason being the documentary so I think that was good move.
just leave him alone at this point. it was not particularly mentioned in the documentary but when he said that he had gone too far he meant that he had gone too far by exposing the saesangs. its about everyone's taste, you dont like the song, skip it. using strong words like "flopped" is a stretch. that song was mainly for him, he was narrating his side of the story. as a lucas fan, he finally debuted and thats all i wanted. just give him some peace now. he said during the first 6 months of his hiatus he had wrong thoughts (su1cid3l thoughts). and i dont want anyone to go through that so these videos must be stopped. i was a regular viewer of KOOKIELIT but this is kinda too much. being a big youtuber who gets a lot of views, this channel is influencing more people to post things like this.
@@Boombayah6 I got 51 likes on this so im pretty sure people read this. im a regular listener of nct & lucas which means im a fan of them just like every other person. it's very obvious that lucas doesn't know me but I do know him and imo he deserves some peace so stfu
@@Boombayah6 and you think he know someone like you exist but honeyyy as i can see you are obsessed you think we cant see you replying to every comment as if its your life mission?
Am still rooting for Lucas. Let's give it time...you never know plus his come back isn't targeted for charts.what is not clicking? man is still recovering and trying his best, SM is crap period however lucas is back and doing what he does best let him be....and renegade is a bop
Basically the point of this vid is for Kookielit to attack Lucas in the guise of news. Renegade wasn't meant for charting or for an artist to just push out new music. But rather it's his gift for his FANS and his chance to tell his side of the story
That was what I thought too. They have a lot of inaccurate and outdated info too. Another lesson to everyone is don’t believe everything you hear or see on the net or anywhere.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj most of the time, her info (sometimes only filled with baseless rumors) comes from Twitter. It's disgusting to see that she's trying to milk the situation, even bringing up unnecessary past controversies and unfortunate situation of idols. I have yet to see a full vid of her just talking something positive without making any snide remarks.
bestie he did more than well for a newly debuting solo artist that was on hiatus for years after false accusations and bare minimum promotion. he did not flop is you look at the circumstances
Stfu, Lucas solo did not flop it's an absolute banger! I added it to my Spotify as soon as it came out. I saw a bunch of edits, I saw a lot of people reacting to it and they liked it. haven't seen one bad comment about his solo being bad or a flop.
having your source as pannchoa is disappointing, he didn't flopped. an idol that have ppl still hate on esp k-netizens, just comeback from a 3 year long hiatus from a scandal and became a soloist. the results may not be the best but its still good enough for a new soloist. Renegade is a perfect song for him to comeback and slaps the anti & rumours abt his situation. he's fighting back those ppl that wish him hell and wanted him gone, to tell them that he's invincible now, tho it sounds arrogant but how else are you going to fight back against all those antis. also he is known for his rap so for him to title his debut song renegade is honestly fire. and if he had made a singing song a title more ppl would criticise him instead because he wasnt made to be the best singer eventho he can sing. this video is misleading esp spreading that bbl pic of a fansign without explaining fully makes him look bad. its disappointing, if you're not a fan that can explain his situation in good light then just dont talk abt him at all. lucas has been through enough and we dont need you add fluid to the flame
Not y'all proving Lucas right when he said in his song : " Never basic , let haters stay hating . No debating , Im a fan favorite." Y'all cant seem to keep our boy's name out of y'all's nasty a*s mouths and it shows because y'all haters seems to be more up to date with how he is doing than his fans . Keeping track of his MV's views , his lack of promotion etc . The bullying behavior y'all are giving Lucas is the same behavior previous idols experienced by "fans" which the same fans write long fake ass messages when the idols commit s*icide because their mental health cant handle the pressure anymore.
Maybe if SM handled this scandal better people wouldn't question his innocence. I wanted to believe him, but I had to DIG to find the evidence to clear him. They made that whole documentary but still didn't include the necessary proof to clear him. It made things worse.
@@spectral__ Exactly SM made things worse . If y'all think that Lucas had a say on being silent and staying on hiatus for 2 years then y'all haven't known the K-pop industry as long as I do . People keep saying that the allegations werent confirmed so they dont know who to believe and yet they are hating and bullying on someone who might not have done those horrible things because SM never confirmed it .
I love all the lumis and neos here on this comment section protecting Lucas, he suffered more than enough. It’s time for him to regain his confidence, spark, & smile back. Thank God he didn’t harm himself during those past three years even tho he admitted to having really bad thoughts. Time for him to heal now, so you all haters can hate and joke around all you want but this comment section proves that many of his fans still loves and supports him. Go Lucas! You got this.❤️
you are so wrong for this- this comeback was for his fans, the ones who have been waiting for 3 years. I have been streaming all of the songs for the past few weeks. you think I care about the numbers? We’re just happy he’s back. smfh
Idk how people expect him to be a million album seller when he just came outta a 3 year old hiatus + cancelled idol. I personally, didn't had a lot of hopes but he exceeded them. You can't expect an idol to exceed the already promoting solos of nct, it will surely take time but he'll get it.
The song Renegrade lyrics are so amazing. The music video , choreography, handsome lucas everything perfect . It has genuine views. So it is not flop at all.
I think once you find a punching bag you keep punching until is gone…If he address the situation is bad if he doesn’t is worse is SM FAULT but we blame him.Is a no win situation let him be and support him anyway we can stop the bulling people ENOUGH!!!
it really never flopped like people wanted it to, just leave him alone his comeback is not for haters its for his fans that were there for him. yall can never give him a break and leaving him alone at all
It always surprises me that people are up to date with every little thing that the person that they don't like does . Ok so you don't like him ? You don't like his music. You think he has no talent. You think he is only a pretty boy . What? Do you want me to give you a gold medal for hating on a person you don't know ?? Lucas flopped ?? Where ? How ? Not when his true fans exist . Y'all think by saying all these things it will make us stop supporting him.....uhm I think the f*ck not , not when all of us waited for 2 years for his return . I'M SORRY BUT NO
Literally waited for him for two whole years and when he finally made his debut people are doing everything to bash him. I feel so bad when I read the title of the video.
What kind of video is this?? He is back and happy and getting support from LOYAL fans like me!! Can't you and every other toxic person leave Lucas alone! 😠 Also people who care about numbers need to get a damn life
My thing is why was his album sold out on SMtown? Was it because they didn’t have as many preorders and expected no one to buy? So confusing. Also the fans that really pushed for Lucas to come back didn’t even stream and if so only for the first few days and stopped
He acted unaffected?! Where in that song shows he wasn't affected? Just because he is willing to pull himself up and forge his way through the hate does not mean he wasn't affected. He is just srating idiots can keep hating but it will no longer tear him down. He knows who his fans are so he is enduring and doing for US! Not for the squawkers hiding behind their keyboards.
Honestly screw kpop fans. I love kpop but hate the Fandom. Just let these artists make their music and let these companies make their decisions. It was a personal project for lucas. The song is about rising up against all the hate. What's wrong with that?
From my point of view, the song is great, the rap is good, music videos are good enough. I am not fan of him actually but music wise... his song passed my playlist. Good enough. ❤❤
2:12 the groups mvs you're showing were released 1y ago? like??? hes hit 1M already in less than a week, in comparison i think hes doing pretty well considering EVERYTHING lmao
I love these songs so much, it talks about his haters and his struggles. Renegade was more than just a song, it says how he feels. I don’t care what anyone says, this song is incredible. He shouldn’t have even had to apologize considering there was no proof, it doesn’t matter that his song was about haters and what he went through. It’s not just gonna disappear even if he doesn’t sing about it so why not sing about it? Some Netizens are annoying 😭
Lucas didn't do anything wrong the scandal was false even k netizens know it was fake than why are they criticizing him,ik sm is not taking good care of him they just didn't care and give him the worst song i feel sad for me he always smiles for his fans and now he doesn't smile that much the haters did too wrong with lucas and renegade was not that good but when u will not focus on the lyrics and when u the feel the vibe u will enjoy it just like me
It’s almost as if SM had no intention of handling the Lucas scandal correctly after it broke. The missteps and omissions are just too numerous to count, and it has been frustrating to watch. The new CEOs may not be Lee Soo Man, but that itself may be part of the problem. At least he had the savvy and experience to keep SM on top. These guys don’t seem to know what to do, evidenced by the way their long time artists and best talent are literally running away from the company. RIP SM.
I actually Loved Renegade. I didn't view it as him being arrogant or anything of that nature. I felt it came across more like he is going to be ok no matter how hard people worked to destroy him on that hate train.
this solo debut wasn’t meant to be for the charts it’s for his own life and mental health, a personal song for him not for yall. can yall just leave him alone for one second and get his name out yall mouths?? give him some space to breath he just got back 😂
@@tanishthajaiswal8928 jhope's album is meaningful too and compared to those cringe songs that makes no sense these songs are more deserving but idk what happened with kpop fans nowadays they prefer a tiktok purpose song more
Lucas did a pretty great job for a solo debut!!!! Like he's pretty comparable to the recent SM solo releases, and those soloists are much more established in the industry. Go check out the streams on the recent soloist MV released by SM. By comparison, Lucas didn't fall far below them. And its his debut! So i think the numbers are pretty impressive!!!
Wait I’m so confused, when I saw the video the comments people were soo happy that he came back and the fact people are hating on him is proving his point on the song. Like did people really not listen to the whole message? I’m not even an NCT fan and I got the message by the first chorus
Idc about the others but I really like Renagade and I feel that lucas has improved interms of dancing. Plus the rap is also pretty good . The only thing I feel as badis the fact that SM isn't doing enough to promote him.
The thing is people believing the accuser who being caught so many times for stalking underage idols before Lucas publicized her yet once the scandal being proven false, the "fans" suddenly being defensive and pretended to forgot about the accuser who start the fire on him.
He doesn't look like his vibrant, bubbly old self... I love kpop but it's such a horrible industry. I hope he'll find success again and above all, happiness.
renegade was a really good song idk what you mean. the song fit him so well i cant think of any better song that would match him more (an dim not even a big lucas stan but i just cant agree with that argument)
lack of promotion? sm gave him everything they could from their side, more than what they did for most soloist. however things like interview or variety appearances related to external parties might be difficult due to his reputation (the lack thereof speaks volume). they're probably not letting him vlog or open direct lines of communication for his own safety and prevent further blunders.
I think promo was the main problem tbh I used to follow nct closely around 6 years ago but as time passed I noticed their music was becoming different then what I usually like so I stopped following them closely but since I felt close to some members like mark and Lucas and taeyong and etc I keep an eye on their music but didn’t see any promo for our Lucas ? Also since the track are English I think Korean fan may loose some interest coz if that but after all I wish the best for the Lucas he made me smile when I was sad hopefully he will get all the love care and attention he deserves
you really couldn't choose a WORSE title? maybe "What people thought about Lucas' Solo Debut"? you just had to put "FLOPPED" in all capital, im sick and tired of this disrespect.
It’s just fine, flop or not, his not using the nct name anymore and going solo, it’s a new beginning for him, so he needs to work his way up. The song is his real truth, and the apology is SMent telling him what to do because SM seems to cater more to detractors
I wouldn't say by no means, it flopped!!! I think SM once again mishandled/misguided him!! We didn't need the SM scripted comeback interviews, and I know Lucas did not write the songs in this comeback, SM chose them. Lucas is STILL an amazing talent and has a lot left to share with us, wish he could get away from SM and start over!! I love him and will always support Lucas!!
And this is why I unsubscribed. Just based off the other comments, my guess of what the video would be like was correct. I’m not going to waste my time watching kookielit hate on him, after all he has been through. I absolutely love this comeback, his hard work is undeniable, he seriously deserves so much love and support. And Renegade is absolute gold 💯
I also unsubscribed because this video is completely unnecessary and continuing to bring up things that harm Lucas even after it is so clear that he was framed.
Lucas was sorry about the OUTCOME because SM MADE HIM APOLOGIZE!! SM stays painting him like a rat. I wish they hadn't done that. SM are spiteful and there are thousands of other songs and melodies they could of given Lucas (even if they would of kept the lyrics of Renegade) But SM would rather prove a point than to support Lucas properly (SM never wanted to give Lucas a solo that he so wanted which is why I STILL BELIEVE SM PUT SASEANGS up to the petty allegations; thus SM would take no issue setting up Lucas to fail by giving him so-so music to release.) EVEN STILL, I'M GONNA STAY SUPPORTING LUCAS! THAT CHILDISH PETTY NULL & VOID RUMOR DOES NOT DEFINE HIM!! P.S. They should of given Lucas a song like NCT's VOLCANO.
I actually wish he would sell more tbh. Especially if his social media is getting millions of views and likes. I actually liked Renegade over Crushing on you. I will agree that the dance moves were sortve awkward, but I did like the song haha. I am still watching his content though, because I want him to succeed for sure.
i dont even stan him like that but this song is AMAZING. his english could be better but thats just a small detail compared to the overall production of the track. it sounds so different from anything else rn in kpop. i could see an american pop singer doing this & having it blow up
SM is TERRIBLE when it comes to promoting and/or showing support for their artists. First of all, if there was nothing to apologize for, STOP MAKING HIM APOLOGIZE! Second, dont but your artist on hiatus for something so dumb! He didnt FORCE anyone to do anything! As for this article, i disagree....Lucas is a great rapper and dancer. These are the things they should have worked on. Not a documentary of im so sorry. I never swayed from my support for him and i hope that maybe he can find better management.
I still dont get it that why are people(haters) doing this i mean even started this a scandal is a scandal its not real thats wyh it is called this even if he did those things it is not like he was drugging and selling women or something like that he is a full growen adult now and can date anyone he wants to even if he ever cheated it has nothing to do with you haters why cant you make this much noise when a psycho kills a little kid or rapes someone why cant you use tricks like these to get them out of our society and into the jail why are you trying to make him look bad when you are the ones who are bad no you haters are monsters equal to killers it just makes me so angry that when he has done nothing bad still he is being treated like this, not just him many other idols such as Ravn from the group Oneus. Renegade is showing how he felt during all this period how he feels now and i am pretty sure that others with the same situation feel the same way too. I know my comment is too long but i am still telling the truth and giving the haters a reality check. Who is with me in this.
3:35 the song just takes another perspective? hes allowed to feel that, he can feel sorry while at the same time be aware of all the hate, ofc hes not gonna be happy about it
Personally I hope this allows him to push out of the kpop industry and gain fans from other avenues because I think the kpop industry is too toxic for him. I think his debut was fine. The song was fine, the diss was funny tbh. Lucas has copped enough s**t from people over all this stuff and everyone seems to just be complaining for complainings sake. Just because his sales weren't 'that great' doesn't mean he isn't going to do well in his career. Everyone needs to get over what happened and move on and just enjoy what Lucas has to offer. Why do I feel like this video was a diss on him lol ...... -.-
I find it funny how you're talking about Coffe Break being better for him, when it nearly got 1M on Spotify even back when he was part of NCT. Now, Renegade already have more streams, with almost 2M and he doesn't have "that hype" anymore So, flop where girl ?
Stop calling Lucas' CB a flop. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean your judgement is valid. You even dedicated your time just to hate him. Wow. Lucas is right that he is a Fan Favourite
I can't bring myself to be a normal fan, of Lucas nor of NCT, I just despise their management so much. The fact that they think it's perfectly fine to abandon and isolate someone so much that their overall health rapidly declines, I hated that video he made, yes he felt ready to share his life with us again but knowing just how much worse things could've turned out makes my blood run cold. You can see the trauma the entire experience has left on him and I hold some resentment towards the members too.
this title is harmful to the artist. I think he did very well and he received support for it. 1.9 million views is significant especially for someone who has been away for so long. Lets not reduce everything down to numbers and be happy for him
SM has never done anything for new soloists. Even seniors like exo, shinee or red velvet have no support as soloists.
honestly, no wonder taemin left
They literally don't even buy ads anymore.
SM just overall sucks when it comes to handling their artist scandals and promotions...😅
That is so true, they really suck
if you told me 6 years ago that the person who got me into NCT & was my bias left the group a few years after over a scandal i literally wouldn’t believe you 😭
.Is k-pop anything can happen.. LOL back then with gen 1-2 we were all cool, except the racist comments and behaviours.
I couldnt agree more wth 😭😭
off topic but i swear i had this the8 pfp on my discord and i just changed it yesterday lmao
@@kiaa2005 now i wanna change this pfp too
@@kiaa2005 I'm confused.. I think the8 is a good guy but why change the pfp?
"Let em' sing like the birds in the morning"
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Maybe because you cant be absolutely absent from the industry for 2 years and expect no impact on sales?? And not to forget that mist of his IG popularity comes from international fans, not SK or China, and it defenitely has impact on sales!!! All in all, Lucas should continue being active, i hope SM will learn from their own mistakes, we fans will support him no matter what!
"He wasn't affected by it" Man was literally forced left one of the biggest kpop groups and suffered mentally for 6 months and more!???? Can't we just forget his scandal now!?Even he himself forgot his past so why are we bringing those scandals now? He is happy now and people who genuinely love him will support him till the end. I watched all the dance practice videos and i was so happy that he is very connected with his dancers. They helped him alot for the choreo and yeah Renegade is a BOP!
Everyone knows that idols aren't humans with thoughts and emotions and if they ever make a mistake you should literally milk every moment of everyday till death do you apart 😒😒
The so called fans never let them forget. Look how hard some K fans are going at JYP to get rid of Hyunjin.
@@Furrina89 ikr only thing I hate about kpop fans... Can't they just treat idols like humans?
@@PieceMeals They are not even fans lol!! The audacity to send a truck in front of jyp?? k fans are the real problem trust me
@Enhacoreee yes that's why I said so called because they claim to be fans of SKZ but not Hyunjin or fans of NCT and Wayv but not Lucas.
I personally loved his debut song and I don't think he flopped and maybe some people might be not liking it because his new album came after documentary but I'm completely fine with it
Renegade really did feel like he was talking about the "betrayal" he got from fans and how the industry also Betrayed him it felt personal when u look at the translation or the CC it did feel more personal for him.
Leave it to kpop fans to complain that meaningful lyrics and real life messages are underrated and under promoted.
Then turn around and complain that the catchy unrelated song wasn’t chosen as the title track, because it “would’ve scored better” and “fits the usual vibe”
Let’s not. This comeback was the right move.
He was on hiatus for 3 years he was literally inactive with no news about him at all, you can’t compare this to ppl who are active in their groups + going solo in between comebacks + doing multiple high profile interviews/variety shows/magazine covers & interviews.., he’s doing really well considering everything + he’s not doing any promotions as well, just the music shows which is bare minimum promotion. Give Lucas some slack, they’re making him come back slowly, he’s doing really well, his fans love him and support him, and he’ll continue to grow.
The song renegade is way underrated. I love this song. It's definitively a banger that needs more appreciation
yes!!!!
and other 2 songs too!!!
nah renegade is horrible
@@pinguuthepenguin This might be your opinion and maybe it is not suitable for your music taste. But when you look at his case and match it with the lyrics of the song, i think it's suitable. It's better to have a song as a slapback to the haters than a cheesy lovesong. (other idols do the same by the way) At the end he had to suffer a lot and it is understandable, that he wants to declare his position and show that he is strong.
@@pinguuthepenguin renegade is a masterpiece, your life is horrible probably if you have time for hating
Leave homeboy alone . . .stop bring it up. HE'S FINALLY HAPPY AND MENTALLY HEALTHY RIGHT NOW.
flop??? Wth Lucas debuted just a few DAYS ago and already reached 1.6M streams on Spotify after 2-3 years on hiatus because of a big scandal and NO promotes lol ps: he is not even promoting his song in the same way other idols usually do
Lmao not yall disliking Renegade cuz its not a typical kpop song. personally, he upped his game rapping, and song-wise. I think it was a hit. obviously, wont rack millions, of views instantly, he just CAME back after what two years? bro is doing very good for a soloist,literally, relax and support him.
Aespa didn’t make regular music, nmixx didn’t make regular music, new jeans didn’t make regular music, dreamcatcher didn’t make regular music… what’s your excuse now cow 😂😂😂
@zimzalabim6162 and guess what, ALL groups got hate for their debut
@@Boombayah6 ur missing the point bro
@Me-ng3es nahh see the rap was good I feel like even his eng diction was unique and you need that for rap. tho ofc he isnt THAT good of a rapper or well the song didnt showcase his actual rapping talents let say...but I do agree, what does renegade have to do with whatever diss track he put through.
Nah girl at was bad, crushing on you should have been the title track.
I think bc the Korean public is so critical to EVERYTHING an artist does, SM didn’t want to promote him like normal artists. they kind just were like, “fine. here’s Lucas, alright byeeee” im not even a Lucas fan tbh but they did that man dirty
Lucas really spoke facts when he said he is a fan favorite and this song is not made for YOUR liking it a personal song where he expresses the struggles he has gone through since the scandal things
No he didn't "express" anything. This song and the extremely manipulative freeze documentary were crafted in SM's dungeon to gain sympathy from his delusional fans and it fking work. They only care about money sorry girl.
He doesn't express anything. He didn't even write the song lmao.
@@megumiseyelashes9244 read the lyrics honey
@megumiseyelashes9244 and Wendy didn't write her solos, but the lyrics are perfect for her and her life at the time they were released
Lucas deserves every success as a soloist, he is a talent, he has fans that support him, he just needs the right song to give him that hit but it seems his reputation has now been tarnished by 'scandal' and this has somewhat overshadowed his career.
Good luck to Lucas, wish him all the best moving forward ♥️
First off Renegade is a BOP, Second he can sing and rap amazingly, Third He can dance his heart out. I bet in the next month or two those chart numbers for his new album will go up. Plus his debut as a soloist just started in the beginning of April, and we are still in this month so its insane to expect him to have higher numbers right now. And another thing I believe he's innocent, and SM failed to protect this man, he was stalked, verbally Harassed and he didn't even know who that Super Fan was. If I were Lucas I would've went to a different company. And the most frustrating part was SM made him apologize when he didn't do anything.
Ok this is my personal opinion or theory but if you resonate lemme know
So I think the company are focusing on LUCAS rather then his album doing better. I mean after a HUGE scandal lucas came back on stage after 3 FREAKING YEARS so obviously promoting him a lot will be exhausting for him. He's trying to get back up so maybe they are taking it slow.
N also Renegade is a song that was more personal rather than the song being marketed to be one of the best sellers.
I think the company wants to take it slow with lucas coz it seems even with one fan supporting him he'd be very grateful and thankful from them. This could also mean that they are trying to build a healthy fandom that ACTUALLY supports him and be there for him.
And also personally I think its nly better for lucas to promote less n not be so popular for the time being. You can see that his true fans are with him and supporting him who just want to see lucas happy and at peace again. Taking it slow is the right thing to do ryt now coz he is healing.
Personally I listened to his album and waited for him eagerly with one reason being the documentary so I think that was good move.
Well said ❤
@@Sunehraissac thanx🤗
just leave him alone at this point. it was not particularly mentioned in the documentary but when he said that he had gone too far he meant that he had gone too far by exposing the saesangs. its about everyone's taste, you dont like the song, skip it. using strong words like "flopped" is a stretch. that song was mainly for him, he was narrating his side of the story. as a lucas fan, he finally debuted and thats all i wanted. just give him some peace now. he said during the first 6 months of his hiatus he had wrong thoughts (su1cid3l thoughts). and i dont want anyone to go through that so these videos must be stopped. i was a regular viewer of KOOKIELIT but this is kinda too much. being a big youtuber who gets a lot of views, this channel is influencing more people to post things like this.
Girl no one reading this, and fyi Lucas doesn’t know you exist 😂😂😂😂
@@Boombayah6 I got 51 likes on this so im pretty sure people read this. im a regular listener of nct & lucas which means im a fan of them just like every other person. it's very obvious that lucas doesn't know me but I do know him and imo he deserves some peace so stfu
@@Boombayah6 and you think he know someone like you exist but honeyyy as i can see you are obsessed you think we cant see you replying to every comment as if its your life mission?
Am still rooting for Lucas. Let's give it time...you never know plus his come back isn't targeted for charts.what is not clicking? man is still recovering and trying his best, SM is crap period however lucas is back and doing what he does best let him be....and renegade is a bop
Y‘all can’t leave this man alone 💀 All what matters is that he’s back and happy now
Serial killers are happy with every victim they claim
Just report haters answer.. Don't interact with any hater troll..
Edit: I'm talking about @//zimzalabim⁶¹⁶² or others who commented on the video..
Let's see if you could say the same if your future daughter get treated the same way :) delusional
@@Boombayah6 You’re a miserable person😭 your comments say a lot about you
@@Boombayah6When did he ever kill anyone?
Basically the point of this vid is for Kookielit to attack Lucas in the guise of news.
Renegade wasn't meant for charting or for an artist to just push out new music. But rather it's his gift for his FANS and his chance to tell his side of the story
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this channel is shady
@@bobatearoar she's always been shady. The fake encouragement at the end of the vid is such an ijbol
That was what I thought too. They have a lot of inaccurate and outdated info too. Another lesson to everyone is don’t believe everything you hear or see on the net or anywhere.
@@bobatearoar a lot of K-Tubers make videos on kookielit, exposing her behavior and unprofessional tactics.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj most of the time, her info (sometimes only filled with baseless rumors) comes from Twitter. It's disgusting to see that she's trying to milk the situation, even bringing up unnecessary past controversies and unfortunate situation of idols. I have yet to see a full vid of her just talking something positive without making any snide remarks.
I PERSONALLY LOVED ALL THE THREE SONG
bestie he did more than well for a newly debuting solo artist that was on hiatus for years after false accusations and bare minimum promotion. he did not flop is you look at the circumstances
the coping.. he flopped thats it
even nugu group from small companies sell above 20k album in their first day. since he is from sm this is embarrassing to be honest
@@candybar4791 bestie most fans pre ordered that's why.. first week sales were obviously less cuz everyone ordered before that
@candybar4791 he did not flop so be quiet
@@candybar4791 people usually prefer buying group albums more than soloists it makes more sense, he just debuted get off his back.
Stfu, Lucas solo did not flop it's an absolute banger! I added it to my Spotify as soon as it came out. I saw a bunch of edits, I saw a lot of people reacting to it and they liked it. haven't seen one bad comment about his solo being bad or a flop.
I'm feeling so bad for him company did so wrong without clarifying properly he deserve better treatment
no seriously, all SM needed to do was clarify and they didn’t even do that 🤦🏻♀️
having your source as pannchoa is disappointing, he didn't flopped. an idol that have ppl still hate on esp k-netizens, just comeback from a 3 year long hiatus from a scandal and became a soloist. the results may not be the best but its still good enough for a new soloist. Renegade is a perfect song for him to comeback and slaps the anti & rumours abt his situation. he's fighting back those ppl that wish him hell and wanted him gone, to tell them that he's invincible now, tho it sounds arrogant but how else are you going to fight back against all those antis. also he is known for his rap so for him to title his debut song renegade is honestly fire. and if he had made a singing song a title more ppl would criticise him instead because he wasnt made to be the best singer eventho he can sing.
this video is misleading esp spreading that bbl pic of a fansign without explaining fully makes him look bad. its disappointing, if you're not a fan that can explain his situation in good light then just dont talk abt him at all. lucas has been through enough and we dont need you add fluid to the flame
That's sad for yall I been listening to the album all week and cant wait for the album that i ordered.
Not y'all proving Lucas right when he said in his song : " Never basic , let haters stay hating . No debating , Im a fan favorite." Y'all cant seem to keep our boy's name out of y'all's nasty a*s mouths and it shows because y'all haters seems to be more up to date with how he is doing than his fans . Keeping track of his MV's views , his lack of promotion etc . The bullying behavior y'all are giving Lucas is the same behavior previous idols experienced by "fans" which the same fans write long fake ass messages when the idols commit s*icide because their mental health cant handle the pressure anymore.
There's no hate in the video, do you lack basic comprehension? fans like you are a shame, lashing out for no reason, like mad dogs.
How many sales 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Maybe if SM handled this scandal better people wouldn't question his innocence. I wanted to believe him, but I had to DIG to find the evidence to clear him. They made that whole documentary but still didn't include the necessary proof to clear him. It made things worse.
@@spectral__ Exactly SM made things worse . If y'all think that Lucas had a say on being silent and staying on hiatus for 2 years then y'all haven't known the K-pop industry as long as I do . People keep saying that the allegations werent confirmed so they dont know who to believe and yet they are hating and bullying on someone who might not have done those horrible things because SM never confirmed it .
True!!!
I love all the lumis and neos here on this comment section protecting Lucas, he suffered more than enough. It’s time for him to regain his confidence, spark, & smile back. Thank God he didn’t harm himself during those past three years even tho he admitted to having really bad thoughts. Time for him to heal now, so you all haters can hate and joke around all you want but this comment section proves that many of his fans still loves and supports him. Go Lucas! You got this.❤️
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you are so wrong for this- this comeback was for his fans, the ones who have been waiting for 3 years. I have been streaming all of the songs for the past few weeks. you think I care about the numbers? We’re just happy he’s back. smfh
Idk how people expect him to be a million album seller when he just came outta a 3 year old hiatus + cancelled idol. I personally, didn't had a lot of hopes but he exceeded them. You can't expect an idol to exceed the already promoting solos of nct, it will surely take time but he'll get it.
The song Renegrade lyrics are so amazing. The music video , choreography, handsome lucas everything perfect . It has genuine views. So it is not flop at all.
I'm not his fan but even i feel tired, can you stop analyzing every little thing about him, if you hate him so much why not leave him alone?
RENEGADE IS SUCH A BOP
I think once you find a punching bag you keep punching until is gone…If he address the situation is bad if he doesn’t is worse is SM FAULT but we blame him.Is a no win situation let him be and support him anyway we can stop the bulling people ENOUGH!!!
for it being his comeback after 3 years it did pretty well it could have been worse
it really never flopped like people wanted it to, just leave him alone his comeback is not for haters its for his fans that were there for him. yall can never give him a break and leaving him alone at all
How many sales 😂😂😂😂
@@Boombayah6that’s the dumbest thing you can ask when it’s In the video itself. 💀
@@ArmyBlinkie5 literally so low that we all missed it 😂😂😝
Sadly haters just got to hate.
@@Boombayah6 honey, there ain’t no point of you even bothering to focus on him. Go focus on blackpink.
It always surprises me that people are up to date with every little thing that the person that they don't like does . Ok so you don't like him ? You don't like his music. You think he has no talent. You think he is only a pretty boy . What? Do you want me to give you a gold medal for hating on a person you don't know ?? Lucas flopped ?? Where ? How ? Not when his true fans exist . Y'all think by saying all these things it will make us stop supporting him.....uhm I think the f*ck not , not when all of us waited for 2 years for his return . I'M SORRY BUT NO
Literally waited for him for two whole years and when he finally made his debut people are doing everything to bash him. I feel so bad when I read the title of the video.
I agree and why spend so much time on someone you hate so much? That is beyond me.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj Exactly , Ignore the person you dislike dont keep yourself up to date with them bro🙄
@@onlykpopbl2551I totally agree and those people must not have a life or anything better to do.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj Its getting creepy how they are not leaving the poor guy alone when they dont like him
What kind of video is this?? He is back and happy and getting support from LOYAL fans like me!! Can't you and every other toxic person leave Lucas alone! 😠 Also people who care about numbers need to get a damn life
I agree and I thought his comeback was a blast! Why are people still trying to bring him down?!
Companies care about numbers
I will always support Lucas no matter what
Even if he was an abusive brat?
Ew
@@Boombayah6 he isnt so yes
@zimzalabim6162 help you still believe that rumors that have been proven false? What a shame 💀
My thing is why was his album sold out on SMtown? Was it because they didn’t have as many preorders and expected no one to buy? So confusing. Also the fans that really pushed for Lucas to come back didn’t even stream and if so only for the first few days and stopped
I will always be a Lucas fan and proud to be one❤
Same here. I literally cried when they announced his debut.❤
Same for me cried with tears of joy, no matter what,i will support even i just pomte him my ownself @boksung8171
SM truly is shit at handling serious situations.
WHO TF CARES ABOUT NUMBERS? What’s important is that there are people who still care and believe in him and NOT the SASAENG “VICTIMS”
Exactly and some still don’t get that Lucas is the true victim not those saesang fans.
"Who cares about numbers" ....The company
What was the point of this video ? Renegade has 1.6 MIL streams just on Spotify .. is that not good enough ?
Edit : Its Now at 2.5 MIL 🤭🤭
FOR ME LUCAS'S DEBUT AS A SOLOIST WAS SUCCESSFUL
How many sales 😂😂😂😂
@@Boombayah6 If ya'll think Sales and Streams matter there is something wrong with you. Music is not about competition.. grow up
@@sooberris baby monsters ended lucas and they are half his age
@@Boombayah6baby monster ended Lucas?😂 Lmao what baby monster got to do with Lucas?
Ok so now I'll say new jeans ended baby monster so cry? Dumbass
It literally didn't flop it was a comeback just for his fandom and we were all here for him.
It flopped girl
@@Everythingz127 focus on your faves, girl.
@Everythingz127 such a shame you are a nctzen. Go get a job 🤡
@@Everythingz127such a shame you're an nctzen. Go get a job
@@Everythingz127 it’s not flop since he just comeback from 3 years hiatus
He acted unaffected?! Where in that song shows he wasn't affected? Just because he is willing to pull himself up and forge his way through the hate does not mean he wasn't affected. He is just srating idiots can keep hating but it will no longer tear him down. He knows who his fans are so he is enduring and doing for US! Not for the squawkers hiding behind their keyboards.
Honestly screw kpop fans. I love kpop but hate the Fandom. Just let these artists make their music and let these companies make their decisions. It was a personal project for lucas. The song is about rising up against all the hate. What's wrong with that?
From my point of view, the song is great, the rap is good, music videos are good enough.
I am not fan of him actually but music wise... his song passed my playlist. Good enough. ❤❤
His music and voice is amazing so no need to hate
2:12 the groups mvs you're showing were released 1y ago? like??? hes hit 1M already in less than a week, in comparison i think hes doing pretty well considering EVERYTHING lmao
I love these songs so much, it talks about his haters and his struggles. Renegade was more than just a song, it says how he feels. I don’t care what anyone says, this song is incredible. He shouldn’t have even had to apologize considering there was no proof, it doesn’t matter that his song was about haters and what he went through. It’s not just gonna disappear even if he doesn’t sing about it so why not sing about it? Some Netizens are annoying 😭
Lucas didn't do anything wrong the scandal was false even k netizens know it was fake than why are they criticizing him,ik sm is not taking good care of him they just didn't care and give him the worst song i feel sad for me he always smiles for his fans and now he doesn't smile that much the haters did too wrong with lucas and renegade was not that good but when u will not focus on the lyrics and when u the feel the vibe u will enjoy it just like me
K netizens are hypocrites!
It’s almost as if SM had no intention of handling the Lucas scandal correctly after it broke. The missteps and omissions are just too numerous to count, and it has been frustrating to watch. The new CEOs may not be Lee Soo Man, but that itself may be part of the problem. At least he had the savvy and experience to keep SM on top. These guys don’t seem to know what to do, evidenced by the way their long time artists and best talent are literally running away from the company. RIP SM.
I actually Loved Renegade. I didn't view it as him being arrogant or anything of that nature. I felt it came across more like he is going to be ok no matter how hard people worked to destroy him on that hate train.
this solo debut wasn’t meant to be for the charts it’s for his own life and mental health, a personal song for him not for yall. can yall just leave him alone for one second and get his name out yall mouths?? give him some space to breath he just got back 😂
Frrrr
I agree
Fr like they are literally calling renegade horrible. I have not seen such a meaningful song from k-pop for a while
@@tanishthajaiswal8928 jhope's album is meaningful too and compared to those cringe songs that makes no sense these songs are more deserving but idk what happened with kpop fans nowadays they prefer a tiktok purpose song more
Say it to kookielit
Lucas did a pretty great job for a solo debut!!!! Like he's pretty comparable to the recent SM solo releases, and those soloists are much more established in the industry. Go check out the streams on the recent soloist MV released by SM. By comparison, Lucas didn't fall far below them. And its his debut! So i think the numbers are pretty impressive!!!
I feel like whatever he did people would hate him and not move on…. I love Lucas❤
Definitely not flop
What do netizens what? Boy litrally filmed the MV in 3 outfit and 1 office theme and an open space
Wait I’m so confused, when I saw the video the comments people were soo happy that he came back and the fact people are hating on him is proving his point on the song. Like did people really not listen to the whole message? I’m not even an NCT fan and I got the message by the first chorus
Sis literally have no more news to tell that she decided to attack Lucas 💀
Idc about the others but I really like Renagade and I feel that lucas has improved interms of dancing. Plus the rap is also pretty good . The only thing I feel as badis the fact that SM isn't doing enough to promote him.
The thing is people believing the accuser who being caught so many times for stalking underage idols before Lucas publicized her yet once the scandal being proven false, the "fans" suddenly being defensive and pretended to forgot about the accuser who start the fire on him.
That is the sad part and many just blindly believe the so called accuser and think they are the victim.
He doesn't look like his vibrant, bubbly old self... I love kpop but it's such a horrible industry. I hope he'll find success again and above all, happiness.
renegade was a really good song idk what you mean. the song fit him so well i cant think of any better song that would match him more (an dim not even a big lucas stan but i just cant agree with that argument)
lack of promotion? sm gave him everything they could from their side, more than what they did for most soloist. however things like interview or variety appearances related to external parties might be difficult due to his reputation (the lack thereof speaks volume).
they're probably not letting him vlog or open direct lines of communication for his own safety and prevent further blunders.
I think promo was the main problem tbh I used to follow nct closely around 6 years ago but as time passed I noticed their music was becoming different then what I usually like so I stopped following them closely but since I felt close to some members like mark and Lucas and taeyong and etc I keep an eye on their music but didn’t see any promo for our Lucas ? Also since the track are English I think Korean fan may loose some interest coz if that but after all I wish the best for the Lucas he made me smile when I was sad hopefully he will get all the love care and attention he deserves
.Just cuz someone is or was in a popular groups doesn't mean that their solo activities will be popular.. lol That's delulu mentality.
This video seems pretty biased
I didn’t even know he dropped the solo but I think the other two song in the album 💿 is really good and I enjoy listening to it.
you really couldn't choose a WORSE title? maybe "What people thought about Lucas' Solo Debut"? you just had to put "FLOPPED" in all capital, im sick and tired of this disrespect.
The comment section passed the vibe check 😌
It’s just fine, flop or not, his not using the nct name anymore and going solo, it’s a new beginning for him, so he needs to work his way up.
The song is his real truth, and the apology is SMent telling him what to do because SM seems to cater more to detractors
I wouldn't say by no means, it flopped!!! I think SM once again mishandled/misguided him!! We didn't need the SM scripted comeback interviews, and I know Lucas did not write the songs in this comeback, SM chose them. Lucas is STILL an amazing talent and has a lot left to share with us, wish he could get away from SM and start over!! I love him and will always support Lucas!!
And this is why I unsubscribed. Just based off the other comments, my guess of what the video would be like was correct. I’m not going to waste my time watching kookielit hate on him, after all he has been through. I absolutely love this comeback, his hard work is undeniable, he seriously deserves so much love and support. And Renegade is absolute gold 💯
Same. She's basically echoing the hate comments on Twitter, not forming a constructive criticism on her own
I also unsubscribed because this video is completely unnecessary and continuing to bring up things that harm Lucas even after it is so clear that he was framed.
@@Xyniss Yup and she is milking it.
Lucas was sorry about the OUTCOME because SM MADE HIM APOLOGIZE!! SM stays painting him like a rat. I wish they hadn't done that. SM are spiteful and there are thousands of other songs and melodies they could of given Lucas (even if they would of kept the lyrics of Renegade) But SM would rather prove a point than to support Lucas properly (SM never wanted to give Lucas a solo that he so wanted which is why I STILL BELIEVE SM PUT SASEANGS up to the petty allegations; thus SM would take no issue setting up Lucas to fail by giving him so-so music to release.) EVEN STILL, I'M GONNA STAY SUPPORTING LUCAS! THAT CHILDISH PETTY NULL & VOID RUMOR DOES NOT DEFINE HIM!! P.S. They should of given Lucas a song like NCT's VOLCANO.
Lucas should not have been let go from #nct or #wayv AT ALL!!! sounds personal....
It did not flop. A reminder he'd been gone for years !
My 3 years old Loves Renagade! He has it on repeat. I think people will always find something to bring the rumors or hate him.
LEAVE LUCAS ALONE
FR!
wdym he's not the strongest dancer and rapper? 🙃 I was always amazed by his skills, he doesn't look awkward at all
I actually wish he would sell more tbh. Especially if his social media is getting millions of views and likes. I actually liked Renegade over Crushing on you. I will agree that the dance moves were sortve awkward, but I did like the song haha. I am still watching his content though, because I want him to succeed for sure.
Dude, I loved his debut... IDC what anyone says
i dont even stan him like that but this song is AMAZING. his english could be better but thats just a small detail compared to the overall production of the track. it sounds so different from anything else rn in kpop. i could see an american pop singer doing this & having it blow up
HE DID NOT FLOP 😭😭 RENEGADE IS A BOP ❤
SM is TERRIBLE when it comes to promoting and/or showing support for their artists. First of all, if there was nothing to apologize for, STOP MAKING HIM APOLOGIZE! Second, dont but your artist on hiatus for something so dumb! He didnt FORCE anyone to do anything! As for this article, i disagree....Lucas is a great rapper and dancer. These are the things they should have worked on. Not a documentary of im so sorry. I never swayed from my support for him and i hope that maybe he can find better management.
I still dont get it that why are people(haters) doing this i mean even started this a scandal is a scandal its not real thats wyh it is called this even if he did those things it is not like he was drugging and selling women or something like that he is a full growen adult now and can date anyone he wants to even if he ever cheated it has nothing to do with you haters why cant you make this much noise when a psycho kills a little kid or rapes someone why cant you use tricks like these to get them out of our society and into the jail why are you trying to make him look bad when you are the ones who are bad no you haters are monsters equal to killers it just makes me so angry that when he has done nothing bad still he is being treated like this, not just him many other idols such as Ravn from the group Oneus. Renegade is showing how he felt during all this period how he feels now and i am pretty sure that others with the same situation feel the same way too. I know my comment is too long but i am still telling the truth and giving the haters a reality check. Who is with me in this.
It is not even worth discussing, the few who support him are consuming his content and they don't have a problem with him. So we should leave him be.
3:35 the song just takes another perspective? hes allowed to feel that, he can feel sorry while at the same time be aware of all the hate, ofc hes not gonna be happy about it
I love renegade it’s so cool and swaggy, and he looked cool dancing to it
I'll forever support Lucas until I die 🫶
Same
Me too!
Personally I hope this allows him to push out of the kpop industry and gain fans from other avenues because I think the kpop industry is too toxic for him. I think his debut was fine. The song was fine, the diss was funny tbh. Lucas has copped enough s**t from people over all this stuff and everyone seems to just be complaining for complainings sake. Just because his sales weren't 'that great' doesn't mean he isn't going to do well in his career. Everyone needs to get over what happened and move on and just enjoy what Lucas has to offer. Why do I feel like this video was a diss on him lol ...... -.-
I find it funny how you're talking about Coffe Break being better for him, when it nearly got 1M on Spotify even back when he was part of NCT. Now, Renegade already have more streams, with almost 2M and he doesn't have "that hype" anymore
So, flop where girl ?
Stop calling Lucas' CB a flop. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean your judgement is valid. You even dedicated your time just to hate him. Wow. Lucas is right that he is a Fan Favourite
I swear this is the shadiest k-pop "news" channel on youtube.
I can't bring myself to be a normal fan, of Lucas nor of NCT, I just despise their management so much. The fact that they think it's perfectly fine to abandon and isolate someone so much that their overall health rapidly declines, I hated that video he made, yes he felt ready to share his life with us again but knowing just how much worse things could've turned out makes my blood run cold. You can see the trauma the entire experience has left on him and I hold some resentment towards the members too.
His new solo only just be released and not flop
this title is harmful to the artist. I think he did very well and he received support for it. 1.9 million views is significant especially for someone who has been away for so long. Lets not reduce everything down to numbers and be happy for him