Maaaannn this video took all of my disjointed thoughts about his character and put them all together for me in such a beautiful package. Thank you for your insight it was great!!
you're so real for being a Sugi girl, he's perfect! I'm also excited to know it came up in your recommendations, thank you algorithm! And thank you for the support!
Took a big sigh of relief and went thank god a smart person when the vid started. Ty u get it. Even the little blurb at the begging explaining the plot was so on point
I was looking forward to this video, and it totally lives up to to expectations! Your analysis shows a lot of love, care, and understanding for both the character and the narrative itself. Noda is such a great storyteller and it was very satisfying to see all of this foreshadowing/symbolism/parallels/etc picked out and explained! I'm HERE for analyses of any other GK (or otherwise) characters, if you decide to make any! (USAMI??)
I’m endlessly thrilled to know you enjoyed it!! Noda is my god, his writing is so exciting and fun to piece through so in many ways it really was my pleasure to make this analysis. Thank you for the support!!! Hehe I will consider making future analysis after taking a little break
thank you for making this video, i hope more people see it and understand his character with more clarity. i think some confusion of the claim that people make labelling him as a "psychopath" comes from how unwavering his facial expression is as well and conflating this with a perceived lack of emotion and connection towards situations and people alike. while it can be difficult understanding true intentions behind a deadpan expression he's certainly full of emotions, his dead stare isn't an inherent sign of apathy. i'm glad you also included the relationship between ogata and koito, i feel like it's a bit of an overlooked dynamic despite being important to each character and narrative, especially in koito's backstory where, as you mentioned, we see a rare moment of empathy from ogata. such a subtle moment that adds more depth to his character. i hope you make more like this as it's evident you put in a lot of love, effort and time into it ^_^
Man, I totally agree with you about the emotions he feels, and he handles them poorly, leading to one bad choice after the next. Also maybe people miss the point of Ogata's character because it takes paying attention to subtext to pick up on the hints about him, and also you have to make it to the end of the manga where Noda really spells it out. I guess due to anime being more popular than manga not a lot of current fans understand everything that's going on there... But boy does it tick me off to see the psychopath take get so much traction when I feel it is so wrong T.T
FANTASTIC ANALYSIS!!! I'm a proud Ogata hater but the way ppl misunderstand his character makes me foam at my mouth. You did such a great job breaking him down I'm honestly speechless- just WOW. Hate this stinky cat man but have to admit Noda did an incredible job writing his character, and u did an amazing job explaining it all!! Would love to hear your thoughts on my precious bby Usami too, but no pressure ❤
this video caters to Ogata haters bc it's 50 mins of me dunking on his ass LOLOL Honestly it's all thanks to Noda's incredible writing skills that the character seems so complicated (when he's really not that complicated). im being tempted with precious bby Usami analysis fr
Thank you so much!! I also love Ogata, knowing other Ogata lovers approve makes me feel extra good! Hehe I will think on making more analysis! It’s a lot of work but also very fun
You did an amazing job! Analyzing part by part of the manga and his relationship with the other characters (I do need an Usami analysis now xD). I like your narrative too! It's easy to understand for someone with poor English like me. ♥
Thank you so much!! I’m really glad you liked it and happy to hear that it was easy enough to follow along - I was worried I wouldn’t be as good in that respect because performance is not my strong suit! Hehe I accidentally teased an Usami analysis, sounds like I may have to commit LOL
Commenting to boost haha. This was really good!! This is probably my fav dissection video of a character. I’m soo excited for the final season. I just wish they gave us SOME kind of update by now
No lies were told in your video😤But in all seriousness this was a very detailed look at Ogata’s character that had so many good points. Also I know the exact video you were criticizing at the start of your vid. Because I watched it before I got into the series. Since it didn’t spoil everything about the story or Ogata, I decided to read the manga after watching it. And no hate to the creator of that video, but boy was I not prepared for how much it misinterprets this man. You are totally right about how Ogata does not fit the psychopath bill at all. Of course Ogata has serious issues, but he’s not this cold emotionless robot that feels nothing. I mean the end of his character arc and journey is about him finally accepting all his guilt, and realizing he didn’t have to choose the path he did. His guilt over the things he’s done and the life he has lived, and the horrible realization that it’s far too late to take it all back. If he was a total “psychopath” like a lot people say, those feelings of intense guilt and regret would have probably never come up for him. Alright yapping over lol. I will now wait patiently for your Usami analysis video👀😂
I will give kudos to the creator of that video if only because his video seems to have attracted new fans, but also the mass popularization of such an incorrect interpretation drove me a little crazy gkjhdkf (crazy enough to learn video content lol) but fr thank you for the praise! I'm glad you enjoyed my analysis, and found it to be more true to the character! I will cook about Usami analysis haha
I love how Satoru Noda writes characters so deeply on a psychological level. This was an incredible analysis!! Hope to see more of your work in the future!
AMAZING ANALYSIS!! I'm so privileged to have been there to see this vid slowly get put together !!! loved the tsurumi propaganda.... it's what he would have wanted ♥ great video and I loved the editing and your voice!! mwah!
Great video, it's the best take on Ogata's character ! I would like to add that he doesn't kill randomly or is a death machine as some people says. In one of his early scenes, he clearly doesn't want to kill Ashirpa's grandma and cousin if he can help it ("I love my grandma, so I don't want to kill others", rough translation of french translation). He doesn't even kill that much in the story. In the last arc he didn't murder anyone (edit : yes he kill one of Koito's men to take a horse), Noda even went out of his way to alter a scene in the manga release, where instead of shooting the train pilots, he commands them to leave. It surely means that Noda thought killing two random people like that was out of character for Ogata. The only senseless death he commits is the one of the beggar he uses as a decoy in the Sapporo brewery arc. It's not to redeem his character or to say he doesn't do anything wrong, but I think people greatly exagerate Ogata's trigger happiness.
I actually didn't know that about Noda altering that scene, very interesting, and thanks for the lore nugget! I agree I think Ogata is mostly just desensitized to killing, but so is true for many of the GK characters since they are war veterans. This is why it kind of irks me when people make Ogata's relationship with killing seem like something very unique to him, most of the characters are remorseless killers. (or seemingly remorseless at least)
@@BigBrainMongooseyeah, I was surprised when I read the manga release. I thought I remembered the scans wrong ! It's kinda sad since more people read the scan than the volumes, so it's overlook. Sugimoto is also very violent, and even if he regrets his killing in the war, sometimes he is very close to murder in cold blood and it's frankly disturbing. It's kinda strange when people view Sugi as some kind of wholesome pure man and villify more than necessary Ogata haha
@@Hortenseyounka Yes!! I know there are multiple moments like that between scans and offcial volumes, it definitely messes with over arching interpretation for certain bigger scenes. And 100% about Sugimoto. His violence is brutal and there are dark parts of him that seem to take pleasure in violence. I love Sugimoto and I think his morals torment him in more obvious ways than Ogata so perhaps this is all reason that contribute to these differences in interpretations across fandom. Also Koito and Tsukishima are portrayed to be similarly remorseless when they kill (pre-character development), even Tanigaki who is arguably one of the kinder characters is consumed by bloodlust in moments, Shiraishi our comic relief, is still more than happy to take people out to secure his own safety, and of course our leaders Hijikata and Tsurumi are very comfortable with killing and destruction for the sake of their respective bigger picture - really i could keep listing characters but I guess I should stop here 😂
@@BigBrainMongooseyeess !! I think exactly the same about the violence of other characters. And people seem to forgot that the theme of remorse and guilt (of killing) are only in Sugimoto and Ogata's character arc haha You should really do other character studies, or even a study of the themes of Golden Kamuy, I love your takes ! I'll wait patiently for your next video 😊
He feels guilt and there is no way around that! I believe it should be apparent to anyone who’s read the entire manga! I’m surprised that some people don’t agree. Thank you for watching my video!
yayyyy i finally watched it, and it was worth all the waiting and the hype hahsahhsah you did a fantastic job! so glad that we as a fandom now have one (1) good video essay 😅
whoa an ogata analysis that doesn't make me wanna write an entire essay in dissagreement? 0.0 so tragic, I can no longer say everybody is wrong about this character I'm upping the number of fans who understand ogata to 3 (/light hearted) but all jokes aside, this was very good analysis (and hillarious too, i've been quoting this entire video to my friend who's never seen GK but knows i love (and love to bully) this loser cat)
Lol!! This comment cracked me up. I’m so sorry about ruining you one liner. But also I’m glad you enjoyed the analysis! Hopefully if more people watch my video the number will keep going up 🤣 Thank you for watching and the support!
I'm smiling watching the video along with listening to you (normally im a video essay in the background person) I'm four mins in and I'm hooked (look at the run time) oh thank you and thank god I now have something to watch while I eat❤. (ngl that image of freud pops up every time anybody says he's unfeeling 'psychopath' bastard)
when the person starts the video mentioning their beef with the word 'psychopath' you know it's gonna be good and they're trustworthy. anyway PLEASE usami video whenever
haha thank you for saying! The Psychopath/Sociopath debate is definitely a huge pet peeve of mine. I will work on that Usami analysis since it seems people are really interested!
This video is all but an explicit response to Living Deadman's video on how Ogata is a perfect psychopath. I liked that video but disagreed with its conclusion that Ogata feels no guilt or remorse in his action. It's funny since in that video, I made a comment on how Ogata actually does feel guilt and that he's only taking the path of a "defective" because he feels he has to; this video basically mirrors my sentiment on Ogata as a character. If you really going to make an Usami analysis, make sure to title it "Usami, the ACTUAL Perfect Psychopath" as a fun riff on the other video.
Yes, I won't pretend that video wasn't my main motivation for my own analysis. I'll give Mr Living Deadman credit since it seems his video has introduced Golden Kamuy to many new people. But as far as most of his takes went I really couldn't agree with them, and it motivated me to release a more official version of my own interpretation. I'm glad you agree with my thoughts! Haha as for the Usami analysis I will have to cook a little bit! But since people seem interested in that, I'm happy to try my hand at it.
That conflict of Ogata, are we really free or are we simply a result of our circumstance is so human...he chose to accept he was made into who he was so in a way anything you accept become your identity. If he was born like this or not is in a way irrelevant, the moment he decided he was born broken he became that. I feel very close to Ogata in this sense...sometimes I cannot see clearly what was me and what made me before I even became concius of it.
The first video I watched about this anime was the “ogata is a psychopath” one and after reading/watching the manga it felt so wrong to call his character that. I feel like a lot of the nuisance of the character is lost in the fact that it’s just easier to assume he is from his actions and not look into his motivations.
I will again thank the original video maker for introducing GK to people but also feel validated knowing someone who was introduced to the material in this chronology feels the way you do! I agree with what you’re saying and it’s part of why I made my own video! I’m glad you found my video and that you liked it!!
I think one of the problems that is stumping GRRM with Winds and Spring is that the story wants to have a turn to the meaningful and transcendant, but there is such a pre-conceived notion (among critics and fans, mostly due to the show) that the story is "nihilistic, grimdark, etc" that there is no higher meaning. And this central dichotomy is a huge hurdle, how do you transition into a more classical "tolkien-esque" storytelling when most of what has come before spits in the face of tolkien? It sure can be done, other series have done it amazingly (The second Apocalypse, Book of the new sun, etc) but i can see how these 2 drastically opposite world views would make writing the conclusion of this story extremely hard, without even taking into consideration the staggering ammount of main,side and terciary characters and factions that have schemes and complex relationships with each other.
Loved it. Made me think a lot of different ways about Ogata. However I'm not even sure having no guilt can make one a "psychopath" or not. Many serial killers have surrender themselves to police. Some showned guilt , the guilt might not make them stop their crimes but they are not emotionless equally for all living beings . Ted Bundy was a pretty fun uncle but not a great boyfriend....also unlike the myth srlund him he was notoriously akward and almost got caught many times trying to "fool" his victims with silly stories and costumes ..psychopaths are not charming except may be in movies . Same with other cases of serial murderers ...Some were very capable of living their families but being quite ruthless with everyone else like Kuklinsky "The iceman" etc... There isn't one line that can be drawn imo except your actions speak for themselves. Some serial killers spare some victims and kill others. Some sore pets but kill him and etc... There isn't a perfect psychopath except imo one go the most clear examples of remorseless was Richard Ramirez the night stalker. However if one guy kills feels bad but keeps killing then his emotional conflicts are meaningless he is a "psychopath" in any meaningful sense.
Is Ogata a psychopath? Answer: yeah. Most real, registered psychopaths are losers who are only hindered by their psychopathic traits in life. Also, many psychopaths are able to experience empathy and emotions, or can even turn them on and off. So in this sense, the video only serves as additional confirmation of this theory :) However, if we take the image of a stereotypical psychopath from the movies - then Ogata, as expected, does not fit here. And this speaks to how good he is as a character! I also agree that this term is outdated and has many myths surrounding it. Therefore, most likely, the author of the video is refuting a certain set of these myths rather than a more modern scientific analogue, which fits Ogata's. Anyway, it was nice to watch a review of my favorite character, and I will gladly watch the next review of Usami!~
I have to disagree. The thing with empathy might be true, yes, the ability to feel empathy doesn't have to be completely left out. But that alone doesn't confirm the original theory at all, because the other key points goose already went over are still not exactly fitting into the term of psychopathy. plus personally, I'd argue being seen as a form of a psychopath is what the character wants you to think of him. aside from that, psychopathy usually 'only' refers to very strong forms of other diagnoses- so even the 'real' definition of psychopathy is very outdated.
Hey, you know, like I say in my video if that’s your take there’s not really anything wrong with that, especially since Noda doesn’t make any explicit claims one way or the other in the narrative. I’m still inclined to stick with my interpretation in the context of the nature vs nurture debate. Ogata is pretty conclusively a combination of his background and the willful choices he makes to fulfill the role of a “defective person” as he understands it. I feel he more so cosplays a psychopath than actually is one, but regardless as they say “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” so is the “psychopath” 😂 hope you will find my eventual Usami analysis as entertaining
@@valthourne628 I vibe with this! It’s a discussion that breaks my brain since I don’t see value in the term psychopath at all - the definition over time has become so contradictory it feels impossible to even talk about seriously. But I do agree, it’s not that “psychopaths” as we define them don’t feel empathy or don’t have emotions, sure ofc they do they are human beings after all. But as you say Ogata is faking it (he doesn’t know it for most of his life, but he is), i think there are many other disorders that would explain his whole thing way better than “psychopath”
@@BigBrainMongoose yeah, that's what i think as well. In the end, if the term is already outdated even IF being used 'correctly' and not in the fictional type, I still end up thinking 'but that's just a strong form of multiple possible personality disorders'; it doesn't really define or mean anything. so what is left is breaking down the 'stereotypical psychopath' theory, which he doesn't really fit into. And from that point on still calling him a psychopath (imo) just doesn't make any sense with what I mentioned earlier. So at best he'd fall into the category of one or multiple personality disorders, since psychopathy isn't even a disorder by itself but only used as a descriptor for many possible disorders, which also makes things so much more confusing and obscure than necessary. And that's also just my own take, I think he's less 'faking' it, but rather a case of where he, consciously or not, uses his own behavior towards others to further validate his own beliefs on himself. I remember the one panel where he went something like 'the world is telling me I'm right', but thinking like that goes in both directions, usually. He'll also take negative experiences as 'proof' of him being 'defective'. At least, that's what I think.
Not that Ogata needs charitable light but the lack of it is banal and snoozeworthily mundane. Reducing characters to banal archetypes to hold a story together is just foolish. In REALITY Ogata WAS dealt a shitty hand and rather than play it he played none at all. Truly living moment to moment not falling in with one cadre or another. Truly following his own path and destiny while subtly inspiring Aspira to learn of the benefits of that path while not forcing his lessons to become the same archetype construct many fall prey to and become predictable. Yuusaku sucks. He is the path Ogata would have taken if he was the lap dog his father made him into. The Lt. While seeing and using Ogata for his own ends came the closest to the role model Ogata wanted, not a "mommy" figure but a true independent individuated self actualization model human being that he could realistically use to make something of himself given the fucked up hand he was dealt. Its competing worldviews at the end of the day. Subservience to the Order of how things are and the perpetuation of that order and the will to be something else, something "other". The reason Ogata was so "bad" at manipulations throughout the whole ordeal wasn't due to lack of ability, far from it, it was his worldview. Not to force himself OR others down any one path but to give them the respect of choosing their own path, something he was robbed of up until this point. Rebellion for it's own sake is petulant and juvenile. Rebellion against order with clear intent and motive only known to yourself and acting on that is true freedom. No one barring the Lt. In his limited capacity within the army showed this off more than Ogata. Rant over lul_●
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Maaaannn this video took all of my disjointed thoughts about his character and put them all together for me in such a beautiful package. Thank you for your insight it was great!!
ahh! I'm glad you liked it! Means a lot when other fans agree with my takes. ngl it was a challenge to put it all together, but definitely worth it!
finally some good food. I’m a Sugimoto girl to the core but I was soo happy to see some GK analysis in my recommendations
you're so real for being a Sugi girl, he's perfect! I'm also excited to know it came up in your recommendations, thank you algorithm! And thank you for the support!
Usami analysis when?????
Oh god… Sounds like I’m really gonna have to do it 😨
PLSSSS
@@BigBrainMongoose PLEASE that's my boy
this was so detailed. i sometimes think, where do you even fit all those thoughts of yours. truly your magnum opus
Head empty other than Golden Kamuy lore, this super power is so useless haha… but it did help me right this analysis!
Took a big sigh of relief and went thank god a smart person when the vid started. Ty u get it. Even the little blurb at the begging explaining the plot was so on point
THANK YOU! I'm very happy to be considered a smart person (first time ever) haha
Incredible job!
🥹 Thank you so much for your support 10000 x THANKS
I was looking forward to this video, and it totally lives up to to expectations! Your analysis shows a lot of love, care, and understanding for both the character and the narrative itself. Noda is such a great storyteller and it was very satisfying to see all of this foreshadowing/symbolism/parallels/etc picked out and explained!
I'm HERE for analyses of any other GK (or otherwise) characters, if you decide to make any! (USAMI??)
I’m endlessly thrilled to know you enjoyed it!! Noda is my god, his writing is so exciting and fun to piece through so in many ways it really was my pleasure to make this analysis. Thank you for the support!!!
Hehe I will consider making future analysis after taking a little break
THIS IS AMAZING PLS CONTINUE TO MAKE VIDEOS !! 🙇🙇🙇🙇
thank you! I will do my best!
the smartest golden kamui fan i saw on the internet! no joke! Really cool analysis now im your fan!
thank you for making this video, i hope more people see it and understand his character with more clarity. i think some confusion of the claim that people make labelling him as a "psychopath" comes from how unwavering his facial expression is as well and conflating this with a perceived lack of emotion and connection towards situations and people alike. while it can be difficult understanding true intentions behind a deadpan expression he's certainly full of emotions, his dead stare isn't an inherent sign of apathy.
i'm glad you also included the relationship between ogata and koito, i feel like it's a bit of an overlooked dynamic despite being important to each character and narrative, especially in koito's backstory where, as you mentioned, we see a rare moment of empathy from ogata. such a subtle moment that adds more depth to his character.
i hope you make more like this as it's evident you put in a lot of love, effort and time into it ^_^
Man, I totally agree with you about the emotions he feels, and he handles them poorly, leading to one bad choice after the next. Also maybe people miss the point of Ogata's character because it takes paying attention to subtext to pick up on the hints about him, and also you have to make it to the end of the manga where Noda really spells it out. I guess due to anime being more popular than manga not a lot of current fans understand everything that's going on there...
But boy does it tick me off to see the psychopath take get so much traction when I feel it is so wrong T.T
FANTASTIC ANALYSIS!!! I'm a proud Ogata hater but the way ppl misunderstand his character makes me foam at my mouth. You did such a great job breaking him down I'm honestly speechless- just WOW. Hate this stinky cat man but have to admit Noda did an incredible job writing his character, and u did an amazing job explaining it all!! Would love to hear your thoughts on my precious bby Usami too, but no pressure ❤
this video caters to Ogata haters bc it's 50 mins of me dunking on his ass LOLOL Honestly it's all thanks to Noda's incredible writing skills that the character seems so complicated (when he's really not that complicated).
im being tempted with precious bby Usami analysis fr
Thank you so much for this! What a beautiful character dive in ❤
Thank you for watching!!
10/10 video. Wish there was more tsukishima
“Wish there was more Tsukishima” a universal truth…
This video is so good!!! I can’t wait to see what you make in the future!
Omg thank you so much! I really appreciate it!
This was so good! It sums up ogata's character and why he's my fav pls do the other characters im begging you 🙏
Thank you so much!! I also love Ogata, knowing other Ogata lovers approve makes me feel extra good!
Hehe I will think on making more analysis! It’s a lot of work but also very fun
You did an amazing job! Analyzing part by part of the manga and his relationship with the other characters (I do need an Usami analysis now xD). I like your narrative too! It's easy to understand for someone with poor English like me. ♥
Thank you so much!! I’m really glad you liked it and happy to hear that it was easy enough to follow along - I was worried I wouldn’t be as good in that respect because performance is not my strong suit!
Hehe I accidentally teased an Usami analysis, sounds like I may have to commit LOL
let her cook 🔥🔥 but seriously I don't understand the psychopath take at all, his whole story is about guilt. Thanks for the great dive in
You and me both! Thank you for watching!
Commenting to boost haha. This was really good!! This is probably my fav dissection video of a character. I’m soo excited for the final season. I just wish they gave us SOME kind of update by now
Thanks fr fr!! I also cant wait I’m both scared and excited at the same time! Hopefully we will get some news soon
No lies were told in your video😤But in all seriousness this was a very detailed look at Ogata’s character that had so many good points.
Also I know the exact video you were criticizing at the start of your vid. Because I watched it before I got into the series. Since it didn’t spoil everything about the story or Ogata, I decided to read the manga after watching it. And no hate to the creator of that video, but boy was I not prepared for how much it misinterprets this man.
You are totally right about how Ogata does not fit the psychopath bill at all. Of course Ogata has serious issues, but he’s not this cold emotionless robot that feels nothing.
I mean the end of his character arc and journey is about him finally accepting all his guilt, and realizing he didn’t have to choose the path he did. His guilt over the things he’s done and the life he has lived, and the horrible realization that it’s far too late to take it all back. If he was a total “psychopath” like a lot people say, those feelings of intense guilt and regret would have probably never come up for him.
Alright yapping over lol. I will now wait patiently for your Usami analysis video👀😂
I will give kudos to the creator of that video if only because his video seems to have attracted new fans, but also the mass popularization of such an incorrect interpretation drove me a little crazy gkjhdkf (crazy enough to learn video content lol)
but fr thank you for the praise! I'm glad you enjoyed my analysis, and found it to be more true to the character! I will cook about Usami analysis haha
I love how Satoru Noda writes characters so deeply on a psychological level. This was an incredible analysis!! Hope to see more of your work in the future!
I'm such a big fan of his work!! Thank you for your support!
What a video omg!! I would 100% trust you with making a character analysis of anyone on Golden Kamuy
thank you so much! I may end up doing more one day because Golden Kamuy is all I think about lol!
AMAZING ANALYSIS!! I'm so privileged to have been there to see this vid slowly get put together !!! loved the tsurumi propaganda.... it's what he would have wanted ♥ great video and I loved the editing and your voice!! mwah!
Im glad you enjoyed it! Seriously and thank you for the support T.T
Great video, it's the best take on Ogata's character !
I would like to add that he doesn't kill randomly or is a death machine as some people says. In one of his early scenes, he clearly doesn't want to kill Ashirpa's grandma and cousin if he can help it ("I love my grandma, so I don't want to kill others", rough translation of french translation).
He doesn't even kill that much in the story. In the last arc he didn't murder anyone (edit : yes he kill one of Koito's men to take a horse), Noda even went out of his way to alter a scene in the manga release, where instead of shooting the train pilots, he commands them to leave. It surely means that Noda thought killing two random people like that was out of character for Ogata. The only senseless death he commits is the one of the beggar he uses as a decoy in the Sapporo brewery arc.
It's not to redeem his character or to say he doesn't do anything wrong, but I think people greatly exagerate Ogata's trigger happiness.
I actually didn't know that about Noda altering that scene, very interesting, and thanks for the lore nugget! I agree I think Ogata is mostly just desensitized to killing, but so is true for many of the GK characters since they are war veterans. This is why it kind of irks me when people make Ogata's relationship with killing seem like something very unique to him, most of the characters are remorseless killers. (or seemingly remorseless at least)
@@BigBrainMongooseyeah, I was surprised when I read the manga release. I thought I remembered the scans wrong ! It's kinda sad since more people read the scan than the volumes, so it's overlook.
Sugimoto is also very violent, and even if he regrets his killing in the war, sometimes he is very close to murder in cold blood and it's frankly disturbing. It's kinda strange when people view Sugi as some kind of wholesome pure man and villify more than necessary Ogata haha
@@Hortenseyounka Yes!! I know there are multiple moments like that between scans and offcial volumes, it definitely messes with over arching interpretation for certain bigger scenes.
And 100% about Sugimoto. His violence is brutal and there are dark parts of him that seem to take pleasure in violence. I love Sugimoto and I think his morals torment him in more obvious ways than Ogata so perhaps this is all reason that contribute to these differences in interpretations across fandom.
Also Koito and Tsukishima are portrayed to be similarly remorseless when they kill (pre-character development), even Tanigaki who is arguably one of the kinder characters is consumed by bloodlust in moments, Shiraishi our comic relief, is still more than happy to take people out to secure his own safety, and of course our leaders Hijikata and Tsurumi are very comfortable with killing and destruction for the sake of their respective bigger picture - really i could keep listing characters but I guess I should stop here 😂
@@BigBrainMongooseyeess !! I think exactly the same about the violence of other characters. And people seem to forgot that the theme of remorse and guilt (of killing) are only in Sugimoto and Ogata's character arc haha
You should really do other character studies, or even a study of the themes of Golden Kamuy, I love your takes ! I'll wait patiently for your next video 😊
Wow, such a great job! A perfect analysis with funny, artistically made visuals. Enjoyed it so much and ready for the next one to come!
Thank you
wait now that i think about it tsurumi literally played on everyone’s daddy issues. ogata, koito, asirpa, kirishima 😭😭😭 bruhhhh
He’s the master!! Daddy issues abound, might as well use them >:)
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YOU COOKED AND SAID IT ALL WHAT I WAS THINKING !! ogata whole story is about guilt
He feels guilt and there is no way around that! I believe it should be apparent to anyone who’s read the entire manga! I’m surprised that some people don’t agree.
Thank you for watching my video!
i hope this ratio the perfect psychopath video, cinema perfection
haha thank you!
I really like that Ogata is out for himself, and he can clock when he's being played.
he's a sneaky one, I enjoy independent characters
yayyyy i finally watched it, and it was worth all the waiting and the hype hahsahhsah you did a fantastic job! so glad that we as a fandom now have one (1) good video essay 😅
thank you for watching
Hope we videos on Tsurumi & Usami too
I have been seriously considering Usami at least! Tsurumi would be a real challenge mode analysis haha not sure if I'm ready...
@@BigBrainMongoose It’s ok, Tsurumi himself is a beast
Absolutely perfect analysis, I have no points to disagree, and the video itself was super cool and funny haha also USAMI ANALYSIS WHEN
I’m really glad you liked it!!! Usami analysis (starts sweating like Kadokura…) I will have to think about it but maybe!
whoa an ogata analysis that doesn't make me wanna write an entire essay in dissagreement? 0.0
so tragic, I can no longer say everybody is wrong about this character
I'm upping the number of fans who understand ogata to 3 (/light hearted)
but all jokes aside, this was very good analysis (and hillarious too, i've been quoting this entire video to my friend who's never seen GK but knows i love (and love to bully) this loser cat)
Lol!! This comment cracked me up. I’m so sorry about ruining you one liner. But also I’m glad you enjoyed the analysis!
Hopefully if more people watch my video the number will keep going up 🤣
Thank you for watching and the support!
yayyyy i’m one of the 12 fans !!
Yay! What a fun club haha
fantastic analysis!! thank you so much for this video you‘ve done an amazing job at putting together everything important about his inner workings
He is a looser and we love him for it! I’m glad you liked it! It was important to me too 😂😂
This was excellent, I want to kiss your giant huge brain! ❤❤
Very interested in an Usami analysis if you're feeling it 👀
Hehe thank you for the smooch! I feel like enough people have asked for an Usami analysis now I have to commit 😂😂
I'm smiling watching the video along with listening to you (normally im a video essay in the background person) I'm four mins in and I'm hooked (look at the run time) oh thank you and thank god I now have something to watch while I eat❤. (ngl that image of freud pops up every time anybody says he's unfeeling 'psychopath' bastard)
The way Freud unintentionally became my avatar in this analysis is... a bit concerning hahaha. But enjoy! and enjoy your meals 😂
Golden Kamuy character analysis, guys make a wish🙏
I wish for more Golden Kamuy character analysis 😂
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Good kitty… hehehe
when the person starts the video mentioning their beef with the word 'psychopath' you know it's gonna be good and they're trustworthy. anyway PLEASE usami video whenever
haha thank you for saying! The Psychopath/Sociopath debate is definitely a huge pet peeve of mine. I will work on that Usami analysis since it seems people are really interested!
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This video is all but an explicit response to Living Deadman's video on how Ogata is a perfect psychopath. I liked that video but disagreed with its conclusion that Ogata feels no guilt or remorse in his action. It's funny since in that video, I made a comment on how Ogata actually does feel guilt and that he's only taking the path of a "defective" because he feels he has to; this video basically mirrors my sentiment on Ogata as a character.
If you really going to make an Usami analysis, make sure to title it "Usami, the ACTUAL Perfect Psychopath" as a fun riff on the other video.
Yes, I won't pretend that video wasn't my main motivation for my own analysis. I'll give Mr Living Deadman credit since it seems his video has introduced Golden Kamuy to many new people. But as far as most of his takes went I really couldn't agree with them, and it motivated me to release a more official version of my own interpretation. I'm glad you agree with my thoughts!
Haha as for the Usami analysis I will have to cook a little bit! But since people seem interested in that, I'm happy to try my hand at it.
Love Ogata, he's an interesting character.
thank u. oh great Big Brain Mongoose, for this fantastic breakdown
Ur welcome, my child 😌
That conflict of Ogata, are we really free or are we simply a result of our circumstance is so human...he chose to accept he was made into who he was so in a way anything you accept become your identity.
If he was born like this or not is in a way irrelevant, the moment he decided he was born broken he became that.
I feel very close to Ogata in this sense...sometimes I cannot see clearly what was me and what made me before I even became concius of it.
WHOOOHOOOOO
The first video I watched about this anime was the “ogata is a psychopath” one and after reading/watching the manga it felt so wrong to call his character that. I feel like a lot of the nuisance of the character is lost in the fact that it’s just easier to assume he is from his actions and not look into his motivations.
Anyways thank you so much for this video!!
I will again thank the original video maker for introducing GK to people but also feel validated knowing someone who was introduced to the material in this chronology feels the way you do! I agree with what you’re saying and it’s part of why I made my own video!
I’m glad you found my video and that you liked it!!
Cooked so hard you turned my Ogata hater buddy into an Ogata hater (who gets it finally)
now this is the highest form of praise LOL
I think one of the problems that is stumping GRRM with Winds and Spring is that the story wants to have a turn to the meaningful and transcendant, but there is such a pre-conceived notion (among critics and fans, mostly due to the show) that the story is "nihilistic, grimdark, etc" that there is no higher meaning.
And this central dichotomy is a huge hurdle, how do you transition into a more classical "tolkien-esque" storytelling when most of what has come before spits in the face of tolkien?
It sure can be done, other series have done it amazingly (The second Apocalypse, Book of the new sun, etc) but i can see how these 2 drastically opposite world views would make writing the conclusion of this story extremely hard, without even taking into consideration the staggering ammount of main,side and terciary characters and factions that have schemes and complex relationships with each other.
Loved it. Made me think a lot of different ways about Ogata. However I'm not even sure having no guilt can make one a "psychopath" or not. Many serial killers have surrender themselves to police. Some showned guilt , the guilt might not make them stop their crimes but they are not emotionless equally for all living beings .
Ted Bundy was a pretty fun uncle but not a great boyfriend....also unlike the myth srlund him he was notoriously akward and almost got caught many times trying to "fool" his victims with silly stories and costumes ..psychopaths are not charming except may be in movies .
Same with other cases of serial murderers ...Some were very capable of living their families but being quite ruthless with everyone else like Kuklinsky "The iceman" etc...
There isn't one line that can be drawn imo except your actions speak for themselves.
Some serial killers spare some victims and kill others. Some sore pets but kill him and etc...
There isn't a perfect psychopath except imo one go the most clear examples of remorseless was Richard Ramirez the night stalker.
However if one guy kills feels bad but keeps killing then his emotional conflicts are meaningless he is a "psychopath" in any meaningful sense.
Wow so many views! Still staying up all night refreshing the page?
Better than cable
Is Ogata a psychopath? Answer: yeah.
Most real, registered psychopaths are losers who are only hindered by their psychopathic traits in life. Also, many psychopaths are able to experience empathy and emotions, or can even turn them on and off. So in this sense, the video only serves as additional confirmation of this theory :)
However, if we take the image of a stereotypical psychopath from the movies - then Ogata, as expected, does not fit here. And this speaks to how good he is as a character!
I also agree that this term is outdated and has many myths surrounding it. Therefore, most likely, the author of the video is refuting a certain set of these myths rather than a more modern scientific analogue, which fits Ogata's.
Anyway, it was nice to watch a review of my favorite character, and I will gladly watch the next review of Usami!~
I have to disagree. The thing with empathy might be true, yes, the ability to feel empathy doesn't have to be completely left out. But that alone doesn't confirm the original theory at all, because the other key points goose already went over are still not exactly fitting into the term of psychopathy.
plus personally, I'd argue being seen as a form of a psychopath is what the character wants you to think of him. aside from that, psychopathy usually 'only' refers to very strong forms of other diagnoses- so even the 'real' definition of psychopathy is very outdated.
Hey, you know, like I say in my video if that’s your take there’s not really anything wrong with that, especially since Noda doesn’t make any explicit claims one way or the other in the narrative.
I’m still inclined to stick with my interpretation in the context of the nature vs nurture debate.
Ogata is pretty conclusively a combination of his background and the willful choices he makes to fulfill the role of a “defective person” as he understands it. I feel he more so cosplays a psychopath than actually is one, but regardless as they say “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” so is the “psychopath” 😂 hope you will find my eventual Usami analysis as entertaining
@@valthourne628 I vibe with this! It’s a discussion that breaks my brain since I don’t see value in the term psychopath at all - the definition over time has become so contradictory it feels impossible to even talk about seriously. But I do agree, it’s not that “psychopaths” as we define them don’t feel empathy or don’t have emotions, sure ofc they do they are human beings after all. But as you say Ogata is faking it (he doesn’t know it for most of his life, but he is), i think there are many other disorders that would explain his whole thing way better than “psychopath”
@@BigBrainMongoose yeah, that's what i think as well. In the end, if the term is already outdated even IF being used 'correctly' and not in the fictional type, I still end up thinking 'but that's just a strong form of multiple possible personality disorders'; it doesn't really define or mean anything.
so what is left is breaking down the 'stereotypical psychopath' theory, which he doesn't really fit into. And from that point on still calling him a psychopath (imo) just doesn't make any sense with what I mentioned earlier. So at best he'd fall into the category of one or multiple personality disorders, since psychopathy isn't even a disorder by itself but only used as a descriptor for many possible disorders, which also makes things so much more confusing and obscure than necessary.
And that's also just my own take, I think he's less 'faking' it, but rather a case of where he, consciously or not, uses his own behavior towards others to further validate his own beliefs on himself. I remember the one panel where he went something like 'the world is telling me I'm right', but thinking like that goes in both directions, usually. He'll also take negative experiences as 'proof' of him being 'defective'. At least, that's what I think.
Ahhh, the righteous fury when someone makes dumb claims about a character from your favourite anime. 😀
Not that Ogata needs charitable light but the lack of it is banal and snoozeworthily mundane. Reducing characters to banal archetypes to hold a story together is just foolish. In REALITY Ogata WAS dealt a shitty hand and rather than play it he played none at all. Truly living moment to moment not falling in with one cadre or another. Truly following his own path and destiny while subtly inspiring Aspira to learn of the benefits of that path while not forcing his lessons to become the same archetype construct many fall prey to and become predictable. Yuusaku sucks. He is the path Ogata would have taken if he was the lap dog his father made him into. The Lt. While seeing and using Ogata for his own ends came the closest to the role model Ogata wanted, not a "mommy" figure but a true independent individuated self actualization model human being that he could realistically use to make something of himself given the fucked up hand he was dealt. Its competing worldviews at the end of the day. Subservience to the Order of how things are and the perpetuation of that order and the will to be something else, something "other". The reason Ogata was so "bad" at manipulations throughout the whole ordeal wasn't due to lack of ability, far from it, it was his worldview. Not to force himself OR others down any one path but to give them the respect of choosing their own path, something he was robbed of up until this point. Rebellion for it's own sake is petulant and juvenile. Rebellion against order with clear intent and motive only known to yourself and acting on that is true freedom. No one barring the Lt. In his limited capacity within the army showed this off more than Ogata. Rant over lul_●
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