Re: Greenwald: "I don't even remember who it was..." It was almost certainly the pro-war, anti-Maduro, pro-Bolsonaro, pro-Evo Morales, anti-BDS folks. AKA the Israel-CIA lobby. e.g. Bari Weiss. Kudos to Halper and Tiabbi for ROASTING him on it. When she'd be first in like to cancel Tulsi Gabbard, but when they come for Bari, suddenly that's a bridge too far.
Patrick Naulty She was. I think she expected to be fired after the stuff she wrote and wanted to play the victim. When that didn’t happen she resigned herself and tries to make a big deal out of that. Many workplaces can have a toxic environment, nothing special about that. Maybe she is a toxic person herself, maybe that’s the problem. As I understand it, she hasn’t always been so accepting when it comes to other peoples views herself. She comes across as entitled and calculating if u ask me
She had no choice. She was bullied out of her position. Imagine working in a place where EVERYONE disagrees with you, undermines you and makes snide comments to you. That is an untenable situation.
Okay guys. I’ve been listening since day one. Typically it’s always insightful and digestible topics. Usually I’ve walked away from your interviews with something to intellectually gnaw on. I always like. I’m subscribed. But today I’m not liking this weeks post. I consider myself a pretty smart and engaged African-American. But this “letter-ideology,” left me literally saying out loud, “what the fuck are they talking about.” I wasn’t confused by the narrative. I got the gist of what the concern is regarding cancel culture. But what a “watching wet paint dry” conversation. “We’re working in a climate of fear...” ?.. I need y’all to calm the fuck down. This entire conversation resembled over hearing a colleague from work griping after a hard day. I didn’t gain anything from it. I dunno, I get what the issue is but nobody is the master of the universe. I could go into a dissertation countering thus discussion BUT HONESTLY who tf cares? We’ve got way bigger shit going on than this damn letter. And being a follower of mainstream and indie news, I can’t help but notice a sliver of online news media paying massive attention to this topic, but by in large not so much. I dunno. I’ve never bored of your convos, but i was so 🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱 .... Oh and Katie...nobody cares bout Barry damn Weiss. I’m sure I spelled her name wrong, I don’t even care to google to check. Can we please move on. Yeesh
Katie is right about Weiss. She's not a victim here. The fact she's a friend of Chattertin and she's irrationally pro-Israel and was invited to sign the letter, and Glen Greenwald, who is pro-Palestinian and was not..in fact, Chatterron admitted he was "blackballed", says it all. That said, I'm glad the letter, which was very general and mild in its wording, is out there. Differing points of view and intellectual honesty are sorely lacking in the age of social media. And, people need to "just say no" to Twitter. It's such a trivial platform..it's all in the name. 😏
I never heard Chatterton Williams respond to the hypocrisy that Katie was bringing up. It's fine that Weiss is a signatory on this letter, but it's equally fine to bring up how hypocritical it is for her to complain about cancelling and bullying. These two conversations aren't contradictory.
Greenwald wasn't "blackballed". Chatterton and Greenwald spoke to each other about this and both were clear that there was no blackballing. We should be clear about this.
@@JK-wn3ih Yes, but they did make conscious decisions on names to include and not to include as signatories. He said they "landed" J.K. Rowling, which implies her name was highly valued. He was "outvoted" on Glenn.
First Amendment in the constitution cancels all discussions about what kind of protests are appropriate, and it is not violent riots! No one should be cancelled for anything! Period, we all have freedom of speech! Sick of people deciding who gets to say what they want to say and anything else.
Oh dearest Katie...You are the humore in political/culture conversation. Your coment about the devastation of Noam Chompsky gave me a deep belly laugh...You are far more clever a word smith but something about that ironic gliff hit a core fault line of our desire to live with principles and to have lived with his richness too.
Matt & Katie: Get Jane Elliott and Trevor Noah to co-facilitate Jane's "brown-eyes, blue-eyes" exercise and turn it into a major Network Special. It would be Riveting and transformational.👍🏽Each participant will discover layers of their own hidden racism, and the viewers will witness and discover their own as well. It's perfect timing for that now. It would be an international success.
Yeah kinda. The right overuses that term and just generally feigns victimhood and the left acts like it’s simultaneously not real/blown out of proportion or riotously justified. So I’m guessing the letter was in a part to demonstrate that there’s a lot of people that would be considered left leaning that see this issue as a serious threat to liberal values like free speech justice and equality.
The problem with this exercise was not necessarily the statement itself or the politics of the signatories per se, but the selection process of the signatories. It's one thing to get a broad 'free speech' political spectrum to sign up to such a statement, but it's completely another to select signatories who have a proven, well known and despicable track record in hounding people out of jobs and off platforms for their views or what they've said. That's the 'ick factor'. It's like asking Heinrich Himmler to sign a statement that he's against killing jews, and as window dressing having one or two holocaust survivors also sign it. Ironically, only Zionists could contemplate and tolerate such a contradiction, and this does look suspiciously like a pro-Zionist exercise. The likes of proven cancel-culture practitioners, not simply advocates, like CIA-asset Gloria Steinem (a queen of cancel-culture if ever there was one!), Bari Weiss, Cary Nelson, Katha Pollitt (Matt, why didn't you ask about this one??!!), Shadi Hamid, Anne-Marie Slaughter, David Frum, including a prominent supporter of that current cancel-culture instrument, the vicious and insidious Canary Project. These number more than just two or three. And look at who's been cancelled and not a signatory, for example, Chris Hedges, Jesse Ventura, Glenn Greenwald, and numerous others. Of course, let's never mention Julian Assange! It goes without saying the records of the monumentally hypocritical cancel-culture signatories certainly should have been denounced from on high, as widely as possible, and this whole exercise called into question. What it has attempted to achieve is give a bunch of cancel-culture swine -- the attack dogs for the new McCarthyism now doing the job the FBI used to, but with so much more public 'authority' -- a golden opportunity to repair their tattered 'democratic', 'free speech' credentials in the eyes of gullible liberals; all promoted by other apparently gullible liberals like Chatterton Williams. And the account about Glenn Greenwald rather gives the game away. Jesus Christ, to make a legitimate point like this with a public letter, one first would have the direct victims sign it (including JK Rowling, but also prominent others who've really suffered); then, in support, have well-known public figures with a spotless record sign it. That's all. It's that simple. From what he's said in this interview, it's apparent that Chatterton Williams has been the patsy in an operation to refurbish the tarnished images of those who thoroughly deserve to be exposed for what they are.
I gotta be honest, that people who signed on have pretty much advocated for genocide, is kind of undermining his message. Do we really want to keep such debates alive? Whether or not it is justified to completely obliterate certain types of people? Edit: Also, Weiss was NOT cancelled, she cancelled herself! Come one, can we stop cuddling people who keep crying when other people don't agree with them and are finally fed up to be civil about it?
@@Tijggie82 y’all do for everything else he does so why not. He’s not an idiot or a political hack. There must be something to this if even he thinks so
@@Tijggie82 the point is really that this environment we’re in is a threat to free speech clearly because these people aren’t dumb. Chomsky has been censored his whole life so he would know
Which interview caused the backlash that Katie refers to? I've been watching since episode 1 and haven't seen anything that made me want to cancel Katie and Matt.
Why give a shit who else endorses a statement of principle? Were the generally presumed prohibition against recreational puppy-kicking to become less readily apparent, I don't give a fuck who else adds their name to a collective statement of reaffirmation, I will stand with people I despise if it means reaffirming principles I endorse.
The folks who believe the idea of a good and bad person seem to be kinda the ones involved in the conflict he speaks about. They kinda worry me God even how he speaks he has to disclaim so much and ya this is really scary.
I enjoyed this thought-provoking conversation. Still, it's off-putting that Mr. Williams and many others believe this letter is needed right now. It's as if residents of the same downtown neighborhood are responding to the sudden irregularity of garbage collection because the streets are filled with BLM protestors. "Let's write a letter, circulate it to get the language and the list of signatories just right, and publish multiple translations in the important journals of the world." Yes, we can simultaneously hold thoughts about both in our minds. Yes, we can set aside the varied purity of the residents' motivations. But no, we don't need a global response to these provincial concerns.
Totally love you two and this show. Thank you for this and for your individual work. Fearless and inspiring! Respectfully, though, want to offer a gentle critique -- Ms Halper you were a "dog with a bone". You are entitled to dislike Bari Weiss or even hold her in contempt of course. But on this episode anyways, you come off as arguing for purity tests ... in a movement trying to push back on purity tests. As TCW (and MT) kept trying to nudge you, what someone does in college almost never should be held against them years later. Moreover, it's ironic to the point of giggling that your main contention about Ms Weiss is that she is overzealous pushing back against BDS... which is itself a cancel movement, no? No matter how much one may support Palestinian rights and be appalled at Israeli injustices, BDS seeks to single out one country, israel, and, as the name eplains, Boycott Divest and Sanction -- that is, cancel Israel, and all the while ignoring similar views and practices by say, China (in Tibet and elsewhere) or Turkey (in Cyprus) or Pakistan and India (in Kashmir). My point is, don't undercut yourself with seemingly personal animosity towards one individual, and a seeming one-off standard you don't apply to everyone. Again, much gratitude and applause for your work.
It must be difficult for Rolling Stone's social media staff to post this knowing that unless one has a substantial budget on social media, they are practically lurkers. The cancel culture narrative as presented here depends on ignoring how those platforms actually work. For example, 80% of content on Twitter is generated by 10% of users (Pew Research Center). The lack of specificity on how people are "cancelled" on social media is telling. Why not invite someone who understands digital marketing to explain how this is supposed to work, considering social media's ever declining organic reach and dependence on ad revenue?
Thomas Chatterton Williams (oh, no, a three-name guy). I can't like, you know, like, listen to, like, him, because his sort of, like manner of, kind of, speaking is, that of a like child thing from some, like, sort of, beat like dormitory room. You know? Let the term and game of so called "cancel culture," which is not new or novel, die like the Hula Hoop. Those promulgating it have unleashed a giant fart into the public conversation. Turn on the fan! Blow this stench away.
Imagine! There are somethings you cannot do/say without the "Protection" that TCW speaks of. What a privilege that was. Maybe it is time to acknowledge that there are PC things, hurtful things-- wrong things! Put your energy into finding mutually acceptable pathways back, what used to be called Penance in Religious terms. (Not a desire for cancelling those who are doing the cancellation!!)
I wouldn't call Harper's "the NPR of Magazines." It has a long, storied history, and has been a platform for some of the most important voices in history, from Chomsky to Zinn. Rick MacArthur is a strong economic progressive, and one of the very best authorities I've ever heard on issues of labor and the devastation of neoliberalism. And , lest we forget, in the face of lots of pressure from the orthodox left Harper's released the "Stop Hillary/Say No to a Clinton Dynasty" issue in 2014.
@@dashx1103 Yes, of course, i understand. I subscribed to Harper's for years. (Not any longer) Unfortunately this guy is not an anomaly as to who is currently working in these old neo'liberal institutions. Legacy dichotomies of Left & Right now completely serve at the pleasures of ruling class not working people. I have as many things in common with a typical Trump supporter as i do with my friends in Brooklyn. Rather listen to Chapo Trap House than give my money to Harpers. Just Saying~😉
@@airmark02 I also listen to Chapo, . . probably the first podcast I go to after Citations Needed. But I still don't get the crack at Harper's. Chatterton Williams is a hack? Ok. How does that turn Harper's into "the NPR of magazines." Is Chatterton Williams even connected to Harper's, other than by this letter? And I'm not even sure how you get to "old neoliberal institution" with regard to Harper's, honestly. I learned more about the DLC/Clinton/Centrist takeover of the Democratic Party, the destruction of labor, and the horrible rise of "neoliberalism" from MacArthur than arguably anyone else. So I guess I'm just left scratching my head on this. P.S. Citations Needed did a nice little piece on the "cancel culture" controversy that really helped me understand it better. If you are interested, I suspect it will be more in-line with your view of things than Chatterton Williams is, for sure. citationsneeded.libsyn.com/news-brief-the-harpers-letter-and-our-extremely-narrow-self-serving-definition-of-cancel-culture
@@dashx1103 You do You & I'll do Me. Thanks for keeping this exchange civilized. Harpers works for You & that's great! I understand. Mother Jones, the Atlantic, NY Times, NPR, Harpers etc.. etc.. Are no longer on my list of "go to" for relevance in my life. Sorry no offences intended. Good luck my friend.
I don't think Katie and Matt were near hard enough on the B.S. of canceling GLENN GREENWALD. Katie and Matt, you are so funny and fun, but you have wimped out too often for me. Get some guts.
Funny that there was Cancellation on which people could sign the letter on non- cancellation
Funny? Maybe tragic...
They are hypocrites. Bari Weiss the biggest of them all
Yup, for something that does not exist, it's quite effective...
What i saw BW? She's arrogant and viscerally nasty. Katie is cautious and correct. Cute hair, too.
BW rule over us all now.
I may be just an old woman from Alaska, but it seems to me that this “cancel culture” issue, was very well spelled out in George Orwell 1984.
Re: Greenwald: "I don't even remember who it was..."
It was almost certainly the pro-war, anti-Maduro, pro-Bolsonaro, pro-Evo Morales, anti-BDS folks. AKA the Israel-CIA lobby. e.g. Bari Weiss.
Kudos to Halper and Tiabbi for ROASTING him on it. When she'd be first in like to cancel Tulsi Gabbard, but when they come for Bari, suddenly that's a bridge too far.
BlackhaloZ you mean anti-Evo Morales I asssume?
@@rubbeldiekatz85 I think so too.
@@rubbeldiekatz85 Probably... yes.
Well said.....I am impressed with Katie sticking to her guns between 50:00 to 55:00
I think the point was to show left leaning thinkers recognizing cancel cultural, not just right wing conspiracy nut jobs. It worked! Well done!!!
Yes!
Say it after me: Bari Weiss was not canceled, she decided to resign.
You have to admit she was creepy on Joe Rogan. Just a typical, entitled and snarky college kid. She cannot write.
Patrick Naulty She was. I think she expected to be fired after the stuff she wrote and wanted to play the victim. When that didn’t happen she resigned herself and tries to make a big deal out of that. Many workplaces can have a toxic environment, nothing special about that. Maybe she is a toxic person herself, maybe that’s the problem. As I understand it, she hasn’t always been so accepting when it comes to other peoples views herself. She comes across as entitled and calculating if u ask me
She had no choice. She was bullied out of her position. Imagine working in a place where EVERYONE disagrees with you, undermines you and makes snide comments to you. That is an untenable situation.
I think someone can both "resign" and "be cancelled."
@@noceb0 "Entitled" she embodied it so much my glossolalia kicked in.
Okay guys. I’ve been listening since day one. Typically it’s always insightful and digestible topics. Usually I’ve walked away from your interviews with something to intellectually gnaw on. I always like. I’m subscribed. But today I’m not liking this weeks post. I consider myself a pretty smart and engaged African-American. But this “letter-ideology,” left me literally saying out loud, “what the fuck are they talking about.” I wasn’t confused by the narrative. I got the gist of what the concern is regarding cancel culture. But what a “watching wet paint dry” conversation.
“We’re working in a climate of fear...” ?.. I need y’all to calm the fuck down. This entire conversation resembled over hearing a colleague from work griping after a hard day.
I didn’t gain anything from it. I dunno, I get what the issue is but nobody is the master of the universe. I could go into a dissertation countering thus discussion BUT HONESTLY who tf cares? We’ve got way bigger shit going on than this damn letter. And being a follower of mainstream and indie news, I can’t help but notice a sliver of online news media paying massive attention to this topic, but by in large not so much.
I dunno. I’ve never bored of your convos, but i was so 🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱 .... Oh and Katie...nobody cares bout Barry damn Weiss. I’m sure I spelled her name wrong, I don’t even care to google to check.
Can we please move on.
Yeesh
Katie is right about Weiss. She's not a victim here. The fact she's a friend of Chattertin and she's irrationally pro-Israel and was invited to sign the letter, and Glen Greenwald, who is pro-Palestinian and was not..in fact, Chatterron admitted he was "blackballed", says it all. That said, I'm glad the letter, which was very general and mild in its wording, is out there. Differing points of view and intellectual honesty are sorely lacking in the age of social media. And, people need to "just say no" to Twitter. It's such a trivial platform..it's all in the name. 😏
Chatterton Williams..name correction.
I never heard Chatterton Williams respond to the hypocrisy that Katie was bringing up. It's fine that Weiss is a signatory on this letter, but it's equally fine to bring up how hypocritical it is for her to complain about cancelling and bullying. These two conversations aren't contradictory.
I think the letter is a bunch of bullshit
Greenwald wasn't "blackballed". Chatterton and Greenwald spoke to each other about this and both were clear that there was no blackballing. We should be clear about this.
@@JK-wn3ih Yes, but they did make conscious decisions on names to include and not to include as signatories. He said they "landed" J.K. Rowling, which implies her name was highly valued. He was "outvoted" on Glenn.
First Amendment in the constitution cancels all discussions about what kind of protests are appropriate, and it is not violent riots! No one should be cancelled for anything! Period, we all have freedom of speech! Sick of people deciding who gets to say what they want to say and anything else.
Cary Nelson and Bari Weiss but no Grenwald. Speaks volumnes
Bari Weiss signing the letter, sunk the letter.
Thank you Katie. Your viewpoint is needed.
Glenn Greenwald is beyond the pale, but not Bari Weiss and Cary Nelson, which means this is mostly the privileged whining about getting called out.
Oh dearest Katie...You are the humore in political/culture conversation. Your coment about the devastation of Noam Chompsky gave me a deep belly laugh...You are far more clever a word smith but something about that ironic gliff hit a core fault line of our desire to live with principles and to have lived with his richness too.
Katie is a superlative wit.
Matt & Katie: Get Jane Elliott and Trevor Noah to co-facilitate Jane's "brown-eyes, blue-eyes" exercise and turn it into a major Network Special. It would be Riveting and transformational.👍🏽Each participant will discover layers of their own hidden racism, and the viewers will witness and discover their own as well. It's perfect timing for that now. It would be an international success.
no need to discover -i hate everyone and life
which mean is ay the thuth to whoever
Cancel Facebook and Twitter. Simple.
ive cancelled the cancel letter
Would love to know your thoughts during current tragedies occurring Jan. 19, 2021.
lol this guy wants me to believe Bari Wiess is open to an intellectual conversation?
I really like your poetry and I'm glad to see you recovered from that suicide thing.
Was the point of the letter to show that left of center is also against cancel culture? Was there anyone right leaning on it?
Yeah kinda. The right overuses that term and just generally feigns victimhood and the left acts like it’s simultaneously not real/blown out of proportion or riotously justified. So I’m guessing the letter was in a part to demonstrate that there’s a lot of people that would be considered left leaning that see this issue as a serious threat to liberal values like free speech justice and equality.
The problem with this exercise was not necessarily the statement itself or the politics of the signatories per se, but the selection process of the signatories. It's one thing to get a broad 'free speech' political spectrum to sign up to such a statement, but it's completely another to select signatories who have a proven, well known and despicable track record in hounding people out of jobs and off platforms for their views or what they've said. That's the 'ick factor'. It's like asking Heinrich Himmler to sign a statement that he's against killing jews, and as window dressing having one or two holocaust survivors also sign it. Ironically, only Zionists could contemplate and tolerate such a contradiction, and this does look suspiciously like a pro-Zionist exercise.
The likes of proven cancel-culture practitioners, not simply advocates, like CIA-asset Gloria Steinem (a queen of cancel-culture if ever there was one!), Bari Weiss, Cary Nelson, Katha Pollitt (Matt, why didn't you ask about this one??!!), Shadi Hamid, Anne-Marie Slaughter, David Frum, including a prominent supporter of that current cancel-culture instrument, the vicious and insidious Canary Project. These number more than just two or three. And look at who's been cancelled and not a signatory, for example, Chris Hedges, Jesse Ventura, Glenn Greenwald, and numerous others. Of course, let's never mention Julian Assange!
It goes without saying the records of the monumentally hypocritical cancel-culture signatories certainly should have been denounced from on high, as widely as possible, and this whole exercise called into question. What it has attempted to achieve is give a bunch of cancel-culture swine -- the attack dogs for the new McCarthyism now doing the job the FBI used to, but with so much more public 'authority' -- a golden opportunity to repair their tattered 'democratic', 'free speech' credentials in the eyes of gullible liberals; all promoted by other apparently gullible liberals like Chatterton Williams. And the account about Glenn Greenwald rather gives the game away.
Jesus Christ, to make a legitimate point like this with a public letter, one first would have the direct victims sign it (including JK Rowling, but also prominent others who've really suffered); then, in support, have well-known public figures with a spotless record sign it. That's all. It's that simple.
From what he's said in this interview, it's apparent that Chatterton Williams has been the patsy in an operation to refurbish the tarnished images of those who thoroughly deserve to be exposed for what they are.
Can the message not matter more than the signatories?
Your comment is interesting. Kinda lost me on the Zionist stuff but I need to read the letter - I haven’t - but idk what you say is interesting.
I gotta be honest, that people who signed on have pretty much advocated for genocide, is kind of undermining his message. Do we really want to keep such debates alive? Whether or not it is justified to completely obliterate certain types of people?
Edit: Also, Weiss was NOT cancelled, she cancelled herself! Come one, can we stop cuddling people who keep crying when other people don't agree with them and are finally fed up to be civil about it?
Oh for Christ’s sake the letter was signed by Noam fucking Chomsky of course cancel culture is a problem
@@justinmathis8078 Oh, well, if CHOMSKY signed it, then I guess I can just turn my own brain off and follow with no questions asked.
@@Tijggie82 y’all do for everything else he does so why not. He’s not an idiot or a political hack. There must be something to this if even he thinks so
@@justinmathis8078 who is "y'all"? Clearly not me.
@@Tijggie82 the point is really that this environment we’re in is a threat to free speech clearly because these people aren’t dumb. Chomsky has been censored his whole life so he would know
Gary Webb was cancelled ....he did such good work ...Dark Alliance.
Matt, how would you relate the work of Laura Kipnis to your work?
Which interview caused the backlash that Katie refers to? I've been watching since episode 1 and haven't seen anything that made me want to cancel Katie and Matt.
Katie and Matt always speak truthfully and intelligently . . . so, yeah, someone will certainly want to cancel them.
@chiritarisu Or Jimmy Dore
@@BlackhaloZ I think it's more likely to be Stoller after his comments about China
bariweiss as victim: what shit!
Glenn not being asked .
Send us another letter including input from all of the detractors and aimed at the wider, popular culture?
Why give a shit who else endorses a statement of principle? Were the generally presumed prohibition against recreational puppy-kicking to become less readily apparent, I don't give a fuck who else adds their name to a collective statement of reaffirmation, I will stand with people I despise if it means reaffirming principles I endorse.
Bari can be because trending isn’t the real world it’s the media world and it’s an echo chamber
YVETTE CARNELL , have her on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The folks who believe the idea of a good and bad person seem to be kinda the ones involved in the conflict he speaks about. They kinda worry me
God even how he speaks he has to disclaim so much and ya this is really scary.
Great angle for Thomas, color wise. Shaun King would be jealous.
assassination by other means?
I enjoyed this thought-provoking conversation. Still, it's off-putting that Mr. Williams and many others believe this letter is needed right now. It's as if residents of the same downtown neighborhood are responding to the sudden irregularity of garbage collection because the streets are filled with BLM protestors. "Let's write a letter, circulate it to get the language and the list of signatories just right, and publish multiple translations in the important journals of the world." Yes, we can simultaneously hold thoughts about both in our minds. Yes, we can set aside the varied purity of the residents' motivations. But no, we don't need a global response to these provincial concerns.
This guy says "like" more times than a valley girl...
Mob or gangs melee. A good old wild wild west pub brawl and drunken smash up and violence. Nice red Lipstick. 😘
Rich...
Sidebar Matt your bald head is 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽. The patches were problematic for me. 😂
Totally love you two and this show. Thank you for this and for your individual work. Fearless and inspiring! Respectfully, though, want to offer a gentle critique -- Ms Halper you were a "dog with a bone". You are entitled to dislike Bari Weiss or even hold her in contempt of course. But on this episode anyways, you come off as arguing for purity tests ... in a movement trying to push back on purity tests. As TCW (and MT) kept trying to nudge you, what someone does in college almost never should be held against them years later. Moreover, it's ironic to the point of giggling that your main contention about Ms Weiss is that she is overzealous pushing back against BDS... which is itself a cancel movement, no? No matter how much one may support Palestinian rights and be appalled at Israeli injustices, BDS seeks to single out one country, israel, and, as the name eplains, Boycott Divest and Sanction -- that is, cancel Israel, and all the while ignoring similar views and practices by say, China (in Tibet and elsewhere) or Turkey (in Cyprus) or Pakistan and India (in Kashmir). My point is, don't undercut yourself with seemingly personal animosity towards one individual, and a seeming one-off standard you don't apply to everyone. Again, much gratitude and applause for your work.
It must be difficult for Rolling Stone's social media staff to post this knowing that unless one has a substantial budget on social media, they are practically lurkers. The cancel culture narrative as presented here depends on ignoring how those platforms actually work. For example, 80% of content on Twitter is generated by 10% of users (Pew Research Center). The lack of specificity on how people are "cancelled" on social media is telling. Why not invite someone who understands digital marketing to explain how this is supposed to work, considering social media's ever declining organic reach and dependence on ad revenue?
Nobody cares about this!!!
Thomas Chatterton Williams (oh, no, a three-name guy). I can't like, you know, like, listen to, like, him, because his sort of, like manner of, kind of, speaking is, that of a like child thing from some, like, sort of, beat like dormitory room. You know? Let the term and game of so called "cancel culture," which is not new or novel, die like the Hula Hoop. Those promulgating it have unleashed a giant fart into the public conversation. Turn on the fan! Blow this stench away.
Free Speech Toadies!!!!!!
😉
I normally enjoy your interviews, but Mr. Williams can't spit out a sentence without saying "like" five times. I just can't with the "likes".
Imagine! There are somethings you cannot do/say without the "Protection" that TCW speaks of.
What a privilege that was.
Maybe it is time to acknowledge that there are PC things, hurtful things-- wrong things!
Put your energy into finding mutually acceptable pathways back, what used to be called Penance in Religious terms.
(Not a desire for cancelling those who are doing the cancellation!!)
rent due, but people out here writing letters
What about climate change?
I wish you would have asked TCW about beating his high school girlfriend and then blaming Hip-hop.
I can't watch anybody who says "like" every other word. Bye.
Oh, no . . don't like go. How will we ever like get by . . . like without you?
Harpers? really lol... the NPR of Magazines / this guy is a careerist & fraud ~ cancel him
You can't cancel a nobody.
I wouldn't call Harper's "the NPR of Magazines." It has a long, storied history, and has been a platform for some of the most important voices in history, from Chomsky to Zinn. Rick MacArthur is a strong economic progressive, and one of the very best authorities I've ever heard on issues of labor and the devastation of neoliberalism. And , lest we forget, in the face of lots of pressure from the orthodox left Harper's released the "Stop Hillary/Say No to a Clinton Dynasty" issue in 2014.
@@dashx1103
Yes, of course, i understand.
I subscribed to Harper's for years. (Not any longer)
Unfortunately this guy is not an anomaly as to who is currently working in these old neo'liberal institutions.
Legacy dichotomies of Left & Right now completely serve at the pleasures of ruling class not working people.
I have as many things in common with a typical Trump supporter as i do with my friends in Brooklyn.
Rather listen to Chapo Trap House than give my money to Harpers. Just Saying~😉
@@airmark02 I also listen to Chapo, . . probably the first podcast I go to after Citations Needed. But I still don't get the crack at Harper's. Chatterton Williams is a hack? Ok. How does that turn Harper's into "the NPR of magazines." Is Chatterton Williams even connected to Harper's, other than by this letter? And I'm not even sure how you get to "old neoliberal institution" with regard to Harper's, honestly. I learned more about the DLC/Clinton/Centrist takeover of the Democratic Party, the destruction of labor, and the horrible rise of "neoliberalism" from MacArthur than arguably anyone else. So I guess I'm just left scratching my head on this.
P.S. Citations Needed did a nice little piece on the "cancel culture" controversy that really helped me understand it better. If you are interested, I suspect it will be more in-line with your view of things than Chatterton Williams is, for sure. citationsneeded.libsyn.com/news-brief-the-harpers-letter-and-our-extremely-narrow-self-serving-definition-of-cancel-culture
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You do You &
I'll do Me.
Thanks for keeping this exchange civilized.
Harpers works for You
& that's great! I understand.
Mother Jones, the Atlantic, NY Times, NPR, Harpers etc.. etc.. Are no longer on my list of "go to" for relevance in my life.
Sorry no offences intended.
Good luck my friend.
I don't think Katie and Matt were near hard enough on the B.S. of canceling GLENN GREENWALD. Katie and Matt, you are so funny and fun, but you have wimped out too often for me. Get some guts.